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Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 01:21 pm: | 
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A friend of ours in the Annapolis area got her jeep burned to the ground. A buncha punks decided to go on a rampage for the end of the school year and vandalize a bunch of jeeps in the neighborhood.
It was a 90 Jeep YJ that she put over $30,000 of work into. It was a very nice ride and some kids decided that it would be funny to set it on fire. The insurance company is dickin her over and only giving her $200 for personal losses and money for the worth of a 90 jeep with 183K miles on it. They don't know who did it yet, but at least 3 other jeeps were hit too, but hers got the worst of it. It is totalled. Shot to the ground.
Jesus christ, what the hell is wrong with kids today? No respect for other peoples' hard work and property.
~J |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 01:30 pm: |
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coulndt she get all the stuff she put on it back supensions etc.. yeah what a bunch of dicks I think they should be set on fire |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 01:40 pm: |
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Joanna,
That is really bad.
We had an incident in my NC neighborhood last year where some High Schoolers broke into a house. Everyone on the street was at my home for a Christmas party and the house that was broken into was a nearby three doors down. One of the kids was caught and the Police where called. The Police performed an interogation and found out who the accomplices were. The irony is that these kids belonged to the parents who were at my Christmas Party!
No respect for authority or no discipline provided. Who Knows? |
Heather
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 01:59 pm: |
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That really made me mad to read that,,, I hope they find the pricks who did that to her!!!
Heather |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 02:14 pm: |
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Oh, they'll find 'em, don't worry about that. Stupid is as Stupid does and Stupid ALWAYS runs it's mouth. Trouble is, Joanna's friend will have all manner of grief suing those parents and trying to recoup her loss, let alone the emotional toll on her. What a drag.
Karen : ( |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 02:17 pm: |
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The courts actually take care of that KJ and will make the parents pay restitution.... Thats gonna leavea mark!! 
Kyle |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 02:27 pm: |
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I'm sure you're right, Kyle. Stream-lines the process I guess. Still, Joanna's friend will have a lot of time and hassle into the project before it's all said and done.
We had a juvy on my street I had to take to court, but I didn't want any stinkin' restitution from him or his freakish family. The less contact with them the better. After 15 years of parental neglect (they are the epitome of bad parents) they shipped Prince of the Manor off to military school after I got him convicted. I hope it costs them a butt-load to pay for what they could have done for free had they cared enough to parent him properly. LOL, I'm mean as a tick today!
Karen I hope it costs a REAL lot of dough!!! Morons...... there, I feel better! |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 02:39 pm: |
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Dont you mean "A whole lotta Dough" ?? Tick
Kyle |
mateu
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 02:58 pm: |
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Since WW2, the US has become a nation of categories without a common heritage or narrative. Absolute liberty is so overly pushed, by the ACLU for example, that people think they can do anything they want without consequence. It's part of the relativistic attitude that contributes to America's soft belly. From what you hear some of these "freedom" people say, you could surmise that they're willing to set up a facsist totalitarian state to enfore "liberty".
Is it really any surprise that little punks vandalize, that college campuses riot over basketball games, or that psychos gun down classmates?
Terrible thing to happen to yr friend, J. The course of culture is a good argument against darwinism. We can be glad, at least that when some people get worse, others get better (ie. FDNY). |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 03:10 pm: |
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"Jesus christ, what the hell is wrong with kids today? No respect for other peoples' hard work and property."
From what I've observed, many of these little rotten shits that do stuff like this are not kept busy enough (with the right stuff) - They're bored, angry, hormonal, and handed everything on a silver platter. There seems to be this ridiculous sense of entitlement I've noticed among a lot of the teens around here, at least. They're generally unsupervised because their parents are too wrapped up in themselves. Most of the parents have their heads in the sand ... "Oh but my Johnny gets good grades in school ..." And remember, the apple does not fall very far from the tree ... IMO, most of them are just offspring of idiots and shitheads as well. It starts early, too. We have little snots with severe behavioral problems at my son's elememtary school ... I have witnessed them not only challenge authority, but do plenty of physical damage to other kids and property, then call teachers, personnel, other adults and kids vile names. Then they proceed to threaten to sue them ... Guess what their parents do? They back up the little punks ... They just encourage it.
I am really sorry to hear that about your friend, Joanna.
Kim
Guess I needed a little venting as well ... |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 03:19 pm: |
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Mateu, couldn't agree with you more. Well written. And the 'little apples' don't fall very far from the trees.
Kim |
mateu
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 03:23 pm: |
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I won't be surprised if it only gets worse. People will have bars on their windows in middle class suburbs in 20 years. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 03:44 pm: |
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i can say from my experence that kids are they way they are from a sevre lack of parential involvment. that doesnt mean that you have to kick your kids ass every time he/she/it steps out of line but you have to set the boundries. you have to set it when they begin to crawl otherwise they run on auto and end up going to school with no real values. i added that kind of behavior to my list of reasons why i am leaving law enforcment. between the weak ass courts and the lack of hand and ass contact from the parents kids are left to develop on their own. i guess you cant blame them from acting the way they do because for the most part they know no other way. then you add the heros, the role models they have to follow which end up being "sports" figures who most of the times are nothing more than thugs themselves. i live just up the road from one of the big ten schools and the crap that goes on around campus is unbelievable. they have keg drinking block parties and end up in riots, tearing up and burning anything they see, then instead of living up to what they have done (kim you have it right on the head with mommy and daddy) they blame it on the police and schools for cutting off the supply of booze. oh yea, this is a school for higher learning. the real scarey part these are the future leaders of our country. but again look at what they are taught, when the highest public offical in the country can take an oath, and then LIE about his actions and then he is not held accountable for his actions what else can you expect from kids (kids being 17 to early twenties). the real bad thing is that they are the norm not the excepition. schools seem to spend more time and money on atheletic programs than they spend on academics programs (including scholarships) that they have gotten away from the schools purpose. it is sad to believe that you save your whole life, work hard build a future for your child send him off to college and if he is one of the good ones he is screwed simiply because he cant get a chance to learn because of the lack of control of students by the schools. recently students were rioting in the campus area of that big ten school and those caught for the most part were swatted on the wrist and put back in class. where is the lesson in that. atheletes are given free walks by the coaches when the violate the code of conduct or commit a crime. this has happened and there is nothing you or i can do about it. as long as money is involved the schools play it off as growing pains of the youth. there is no accountablity! it is just a shame that it this way, and thanks for letting me vent as well.
mike w |
Heather
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 03:56 pm: |
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All fine examples of why some species eat their offspring... |
mateu
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 04:09 pm: |
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Mike,
I've heard leaders of major finance/industrial corp. on various political radio shows say that their best hires are the kids who are coming out of the new home schooler crowd. There are about 2 million home schoolers in the US now, they're going to be the leaders. Imagine the intellectual gap between the elite and the average when that happens!
As a matter of fact, the West Palm Beach (same town that didn't know how to count votes) board of ed has proposed a new testing system that allow passing exam grades at 25% correct answers. 25%!!!! It was an AP press release last week. You could answer all "a"'s on a multiple choice and pass! They're only going to get dumber, my man. |
mateu
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 04:12 pm: |
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(cont.)
The Palm Beach example was meant to qualify the elite/average gap in the previous paragraph. Sorry for writing incoherently, I was educated in the midwest afterall. |
Doug
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 04:27 pm: |
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I have four kids. Three are in their early thirties. The fouth is 6 years old. I see the problem every day when I hear what goes on in school.
My wife worked as a volunteer with juuvies for several years in downtown LA. Heavy, heavy ogb types--murderers etc. No joke. She had great success with a secular moral code called "The Way To Happiness." www.thewaytohappiness.org It's real straigtforward common sense. She had many huge wins with these KL boys ("killers and lunatics", gallons of tears on both sides of the table. The key is--NO ONE TOLD THEM THE RULES. So they took the rules of the street as the way to live life.
I'm rambling....
Yes, we need change.
DW |
G. Grüner (Germán)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 04:42 pm: |
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I read this thread with horror.
Mix this situation you describe with great social pressure due by unequal economic oportunities and you have what i´m living every day...
I´m really sorry Joanna |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 04:54 pm: |
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mateu, you are correct, recently the NGS (national geographic Society) held some kind of intellect contest involving school kids from across the country. there was a question asked that was well designed so that noone would know the answer, something to do with a location of a country that i have never heard of was. a younger child from a home schooled home, was the only child to give the correct answer. well that didnt set to well with the NGS folks, i cant recall the exact language of their comment but basicly it gave excuses for the public school kids for not knowing. but i believe that your comment goes back to what i had said, home schooled kids have parents involved in their lil lives and they are not left to pit fall of public schools and left to learn on their own. now before all the public school teachers go off on me, i will say that you have tried, the failures are not from lack of your efforts but again a lack of, dare i say DISCIPLINE, again that does not mean kicking ass it means setting up a routine, a rigid, form of life that guides the child thru his development. its like this if you have a lil puppy, all cute and loving. you let piss and crap all over your house without training (discipline) the lil fella otherwise, he grows up and leaves big piles of love all over the floor. then you get pissed (and its your fault he is that way) and toss him out in the back yard. there the once loved lil pup grows on to become an unloved, untrained lost soul. without the guidance of loving parents, and no they dont have to live in the same home to be good parents, the child will do what it wants when it wants and you will be calling the popo to come and haul lil kyle off (sorry couldnt resist). i know this to be fact and not the ramblings of a bitter old coot.if you have a child, love it, teach it, guide him or her. dont let him leave home for school without a warm breakfast that you serve to him. dont let him come home and all he knows is a video game he plays in his room as his only family companion. instruct the child in life, its good and bad parts. if the need arises spank the lil fella, not a beating, but do it with love. sit him down and explain to him first what he is being punished for and why it is necessary for that punishment. never make a threat to punish, do it, make swift and decisive, but after a few tears (hopefully yours and theirs) have passed pick them up in your arms and tell them you love them. be in their lives, get involved in every aspect of their lives and when they go on that first date they will find the way home. remember you only get out of a pitcher what you put in it!
mike w |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 05:30 pm: |
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Quote:The course of culture is a good argument against darwinism.
mateu, could you expand on that a little bit? I'm interested to see where you were going with this.... |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 05:31 pm: |
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that works mike, but some kids just need a beating.
rd |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 05:32 pm: |
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P.S. Joanna, those little shits will get busted & burned...at least there is that. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 05:38 pm: |
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and if they dont i have learned that, what goes around will come around and bite you dead on your ass!
mike w |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 05:52 pm: |
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Good thread. As the parent of two small children, I can attest to the why many kids do not have the structure in thier lives that they need. It is damn hard work to provide these boundaries. Many of the greatest sacrifices I make are not related to money, but to the time required to properly dicipline my kids lives. It is so much EASIER just to let them do as they please.
Most parents do not realize that children relate structure to love. This has far reaching impacts on future behavior. Kind of like the dog that mike talks about above. If one does not take the time to shape thier childrens lives, the kid will grow up feeling unloved and lost with no sense of what is the right thing to do.
I have hope that the situation will not get worse. There seems to be a growing trend in this country for parents (particualrly fathers) to be more involved in thier kids lives. If this continues future generations MAY get a little better. For now we are stuck with the kids of the "me" generation who are growing up without limits and with the false pretense that everyone is of equal ability and all of the "your best is good enough" crap that gets doled out.
Curtis |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 06:01 pm: |
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Blue,
I think what mateu was alluding to was similar to what I was speaking of. Darwins theory was that only the strongest survive. In todays society kids are taught that they are of equal ability as thier peers. That anyone can do anything if they set there mind to it. Every team deserves a medal. There is not "loser" or "winner"...everyone wins if they play the game. The school of thought leans toward "even the weakest survive" rather than the strongest.
This whole pile of crap lies to kids about what the real world is like. Furthermore, you can't really fool kids with load of horse puckey. They are smarter than these socialist brain-drain numbnuts assume.
Most of us know that this is bullshit. There are lots of people that can perform better than me at certain things and me better than them at others. It also defies the real-world in that there are winners and losers in life, love, business, and every other facet of life.
Curtis |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 06:07 pm: |
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good point curtis, you can't appericate winning, if you have never lost.
mike w |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
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curtis i have lots of trophy from when i was a kid, please dont shatter my illusion
mr watson, you're right on about karma.. it all goes around. at least that's the way my little mind comprehends it.
rd |
mateu
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 06:51 pm: |
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Sorry I didn't reply for awhile there, I had to pay attention to work for a few hours.
I'm on my way out the door, so only a couple quick comments.
Gruner, Economics don't solve anything. Some of the naughtiest brats in the world are the rich kids. They just don't get caught, and if they do, the parents buy their way out of it somehow. These university rioters spoken of earlier aren't poor kids. Doors singer Jim Morrison is an extreme example of what the whole country's stuck in right now. According to the biographies, he was a military kid who did not get disciplined throughout his entire childhood. His parents just let him have what he wanted to make up for moving him around so much. We all know what a maniac he turned into which led to his early death. He wasn't poor either. You may have gotten away with blaming economics twenty years ago when social scientists started really testing the field, but not now. People defy the hypotheses.
Parental involvement. You got it. That's major. The lack of fatherly involovement is widely held to be the root of so much disfunction in people. Right on, Mike.
Need to get out of here now. Great thread. I'll be back tomorrow.
M |
Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:52 pm: |
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Here is a pic of her jeep just a couple of weekends ago...
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KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 11:32 pm: |
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Quick note, it's been a long, hot day on the ranchero.
First, Darwin's theory is not survival of the strongest, but instead survival of the fittest. This means that those that better adapt tend to survive. This could mean that a criminal who better adapts will have better odds of procreating. When evaluating Darwin and the like one has to put aside what we think is "better", or nicer, or whatever "positive" traits we'd LIKE to see continue on. True evaluation of science is a reporting of what is, not what we'd LIKE to see. We have to leave our value judgments at the door because Nature only reflects what works, not what is the nicer story. Survival is the only game in town.
As for home schoolers, over the years I've taught students who have attended public schools, private schools and many who were home schooled. Generally I'm not a big fan of home schooling for a bunch of reasons. First, I've seen very little discipline invoked by the parents. Frankly, I can't imagine how some of these kids are fulfilling the minimum requirements. They get up late, take a gazillion unscheduled days off and in general tend to be very loose with their schedules. They tend to wear the schooling parent down to the point they do much less than any kid I know in my local public school system. Now, we have quite excellent public schools where I live, so perhaps this skewers my observations, but I can only report about what I know. Kind of like my experiences with our local Amish. I've been unwhelmed by both.
Karen |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 11:39 pm: |
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Edit to above post (some day I'm going to log in instead of just "guesting" here all the time).
I should have made clear that the home schooled kids I've known have tended to get up late and cease their studies early (and with loads of interruptions in between). I've never seen the kind of disciplined, steady school day that the kids in public and private schools get.
Also, edit the last line to read I've been UNDERWHELMED, though I'm so tired right now I might be unwhelmed without ever knowing it, LOL!
Karen |
Jay Hobbs (Jayxd)
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To the insurance problem she is having.... I just got my yearly 2 pounds of crap for my policies and actually decided to thumb through a few pages. I caught a mention in the vehicle section about modifications and aftermarket add-on "possibly" not being covered. Needless to say it is on my desk awaiting a full thorough examination which will be followed up with a phone call. I'd hate to think you put $5K into mods only to find out they aren't covered. |
Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:00 am: |
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"All fine examples of why some species eat their offspring... "
Awesome point there, Heather!
~J
One more time with the pic of her jeep...
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Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:02 am: |
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aww shucks...forget it! |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 03:31 am: |
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Karen,
While I agree with you, if you want to split hairs then this statement is also not true:
"First, Darwin's theory is not survival of the strongest, but instead survival of the fittest. This means that those that better adapt tend to survive."
Technically we are both wrong. Darwins' theory was the Theory of Natural Selection. It argued that a species gets stronger by building on the adaptivity of previous generations and making future generations more adaptive to thier environment. This was published in his "Notebooks on the Transmutation of Species".
To carry this further, one could say that the strongest (or fittest) genes in a species survive by allowing only the strongest (or fittest) members of that species to procreate successfully.
Either way, events like what happened to the J**p fly in the face of Darwin's theory.
Curtis |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 07:36 am: |
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Joanna, what neighborhood in Annapolis did your friend get the car toasted. It was probably just some drunk Mexicans, they're flooding into this city and they're in Police Beat all the time. |
KJ
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Curtis,
You get no argument from me. I was really only talking about a lay person's colloquial interpretation, and that is a generation after I studied biology and genetics in college. No doubt most of us mangle Darwin and everything else that we thought we once knew as our educations get dumbed-down by the mind-numbing inaccuracies of life in the real world My point was (I think this was my point, I was tired then and I'm still tired!) that it's fortuitous adaptation that gets rewarded by the opportunity to persist. When I read the word "strongest" in your post it reminded me that strength isn't everything. But now I see that you meant in in a different sense than I was reading it. Poor Darwin, he probably rolls over in his grave on a daily basis, LOL!
Karen, off to the gym to try and survive that! |
Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:08 am: |
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finally, one more try...
They live near Sandy Point State Park. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:07 am: |
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Sandy point state park ?
Kyle |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:29 am: |
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Mexicans are "Flooding" into Annapolis...
Must be scaring the bejeezus out of the white folks in their yacht clubs.
God forbid that non-whites should come to Annapolis. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:36 am: |
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Jay , you should probably stay quiet. You kinda appear to be one of those "Flips" that doesnt wanna be known as a "Flip" so they claim to be from Hawaii or Samoan or some shit... If ya are ya are , if ya aint ya aint.... BUT , the Mexicans are an issue here. Maybe you arent old enough to know what the place was like some years back...
Kyle |
Heather
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Joanna, to bad what happened that is a nice looking jeep!
The rest of you make good points to, I'm struggling with the system now trying to make the best decision for my son's future and it's taken a toll on me.
Karen, I WISH I could say the same about the public schools where I live but, I have mixed feeling about their abilities!
Jay, (In the words of Brittany to Eminem),,,Please shut up, Please shut up!!
Heather |
Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:51 am: |
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I don't understand? Why would a "Flip" not want to be known as a "Flip"? What about them would they want to deny? Why would they rather be known as Hawaiian or Samoan?
Honestly, I don't know, but I am curious.
Yeah, Sandy Point. Not more than a few minutes away. What other kind of issues have there been around there? |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:56 am: |
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we could use some mexicans here in state college. the white boys here can't take the heat on the landscape crews.
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Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:04 am: |
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Ouch , damn Garrett . I cant say anything bad about those boys. They got a job and they work their asses off.
Joanna , there is a complex that some Asian cultures have , some self hate crap that pushes them to claim another nationality.. Shit sounds better or something.
Kyle |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:11 am: |
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oh i know. when we were having some of our master plans implimented in VT i use to go out and watch them work. families would come up for the summer and work like hell and take all their $$ and move back to Mexico for the winter living like kings there. least that is what they were trying to tell me. the $$ they were making on those crews was not all that much for our standards, but they were more than willing to travel to VT to work. lazy they were not.
it's just the CAP WRITING ones that need to be deported.
i think you are talking about the white boy crews.......have not witnessed them in action. all i ever did was drive a huge ass Toro Groundsmaster with hydro decks. |
Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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wow...just curious...
I am Filipino, or a "Flip" and I have never heard of that before. Hmmm, you learn something new everyday.
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Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:54 am: |
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Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:57 am: |
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Joanna,
What part of the Phillipines are you from? I have been there a couple of times. However, the last time was not fun because Mount Pinatubo (sp) blew up and I spent 2 weeks evacuating folks out to safety. That volcanic ash wash killing the engines on my helicopter.
There is slang for every nationality out there. Hell, if I had a dollar for everytime someone at work called me "whitey" or "Cracker", I wouldn't have to work. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:00 pm: |
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Well , its strange indeed. We have some blacks that I pretty much grew up with and they have always said that they were "Indians" and not black. Its kind of a joke around there when the name gets brought up.... Hmmm , I wonder what I would rather be...
Kyle |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:00 pm: |
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Hey Jay caligula, we got plenty of non-whites living here. Difference is, they don't wind up in the Police Beat section of the local paper. A city cop buddy of mine says they're dangerouse cause they're usually drunk and carry knives. When a gang of 'em attack a man and his son out fishing by the old severn river bridge (in the middle of the day) with knives and broken bottles, it really makes you wonder how productive to society some are.
And don't give me any of the immigrant bull$hit either, my parents were immagrants from europe. First thing they did when they got here was to get a job and learn the language. No excuses, ya jackass. |
Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:22 pm: |
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I was actually born in the states, my parents came here in 1968, integrated very well, spoke english and by god got themselves good jobs!
No knife fights or anything like that. Craziness going on in Annapolis. Watch out for yourselves out there.
Oh, I know what a Flip is by the way...there is also FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) among other things. And oh my god...cracker? I haven't heard that in ages. |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:26 pm: |
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Heather,
C'mon across the river, we'll learn yer yun 'un real gud! (G) Seriously, a few years ago one of our elementary schools was rated #4 in the country by Time Magazine. I have to think that doesn't happen in a vaccuum, but rather is a reflection of our larger school system. Loads of talent in this little county and though we are beginning to feel the stress of the influx, our schools are not yet strained to the breaking point trying to absorb the increase in population. How old is your little boy?
Karen |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:27 pm: |
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Joanna, since you're a Philipina in Annapolis, (please don't be offended because I assume you know all the other Philipinos in town) do you know an Edsel G.?
p.s. excuse my spelling. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:31 pm: |
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Well J , thats what all of our ancestors did. I think thats the point. I cant speak a word of Dutch.. Seems these days no one wants to be an "American" , they wanna live here and still be called what ever they were before... Or they use tha big Combo thing Mexican/American , African/American... WTF is up with that ?
As far as what is going on up in Annapolis... Heather and I live 18 miles outside the Beltway in the town I grew up in. We have both seen what the infusion of people is doing there. And it aint just Mexicans... We live in a town that you can throw a rock acrost and we now have like 10 cops on duty at all times..
Kyle |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:32 pm: |
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Criminy...her parents came here in 1968 and she wasn't born yet. Joanna, I'll have you know I remember '68 quite well, thank you very much! LOL! I'd feel old if I had any sense, but I take solice in knowing Garrett will always be older than me. Speaking of, three cheers for the Olsen twin's birthday today! Did ya get 'em a cake, gp?
Karen |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:33 pm: |
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KJ , Heather and I were just at my cousins graduation down there at Calverton... Normally I try to stay outta calvert,,,for obvious reasons..
Kyle |
Heather
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:35 pm: |
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LOL,,,Karen, Ryan is 7 and going into the third grade... |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:41 pm: |
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The Calverton School? Well, that child had some dough invested in their education. They do O.K. there, but IMO it's not worth the money and it puts some VERY weird social twists in the kid's minds. That pond is too small and the water moves too slowly. I say let them go to the public schools down here. They are excellent and have many award winning and otherwide outstanding teachers. Besides, somebody has to take advantage of the tax dollars I contribute to the cause, having no kids of my own to use up all that construction paper.
Karen P.S. The obvious reason you avoid Calvert would be....to keep Heather away from my horses????? LOL! |
Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:44 pm: |
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Kingfish,
I don't actually live in Annapolis, our friends do. I live in College Park. And, LOL, I don't know that person. Does he know me?
~J |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:47 pm: |
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Hmm , well , we dissagree there. Public schools are shit and the breeding ground of things like "ADD". Its strange how that just kinda popped up at abou the same time the quality of the American worker started its decline... Took some smarts for that one though... If ya dont wanna do your damn job , just come up with some kinda disorder and say half the kids got it and thats why they arent learning... Brilliant...
Good private Schools give kids a better sense of the real world and they come out with a completely different attitude. Ofcourse a bad kid is a bad kid and if he/she wants to be bad thats exactly what they are gonna do. For the most part though I would take a private School over a public one any day...
And yes , we are steering clear of the Horses along with the other Calvert "Wild life"
Kyle |
Heather
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:47 pm: |
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KJ, you nailed that obvious reason... |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:48 pm: |
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Awwwwwww, Heather! I was telling someone the other day that I think kids are the most fun in third and fourth grades. After that they are interesting, but tend to have the edge of peer pressure pushing them. I love bantering with my kids. One of the parents listening in yesterday told me I should have been a psychologist. Not the first time I've been told that, but that job sounds like a drag. Me? I'll just enjoy them all, and send them home when they get cranky, LOL!
Karen, living a beeper-free life |
Heather
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:54 pm: |
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Hey KJ,, why do you prefer the public as opposed to private? I understand the analogy but have you seen differneces in the kids that you teach to ride,, just curious?
Like Kyle said our public school system blows where we live but I just can't afford the cost of a private school... 
Heather |
Heather
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:57 pm: |
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Yeah KJ at this age he is great,,, |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:58 pm: |
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Kyle,
My experience with Calverton is they foster economic elitism and fear of the outside world. I think it really might be tied to revenuing, they are always crying poor and wanting more and more from their member families. They really seem to give the kids a fear of public schools, I hear it all the time from the kids themselves. Given the excellent nature of the public schools in the area they serve, that's self-serving at the very least, and goes WAY over the line of telling the truth about things. I could tell you some insider tales that might give you a different perspective, but another time and not on a public forum. Bottom line for me is the kids in this area are well served by what we pay taxes for, and are better prepared for and less fearful of going "outside".
As Leslie is fond of saying FWIW, YMMV, etc.
Karen |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:03 pm: |
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Joanna, I was just taking a shot. He was an old friend from junior high. |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:13 pm: |
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Heather,
Basically I'm only speaking of this one school and this one county when I'm comparing. One of the problems I see (and yes, I'm speaking from my own experience over 18 years here listening to hundreds of students from every school here and several in Charles and St. Mary's counties), especially when the kids have gone K-12 there is that they are living in a VERY small pond. Add to that the fear that gets instilled (which I truly think is designed to keep the parents writing those tuition checks) about the dreaded public schools, and you have a formula for dependence. Then there is the almost inevitable pressure of comparison/trying to keep up with those who come from very wealthy households and those who do not. Everything in a small fish bowl like that school becomes very magnified because there's little chance to make friends outside the 30 kids that are in one's own grade.
Funny that we were talking a little about home schooling before and the feeling I get that those kids are rarely IN school. I always felt the same about the Calverton school kids. They had more vacations, more play-type weeks and days off than any other kids I know. Now, I'm all for enrichment and exposure to diverse activities, but there has to be a certain amount of butt-in-chair time, too.
Now, if the Jeep vandals end up being kids from the chi-chi Key School in Annapolis, I'll be the first to laugh my ass off!
Karen |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:32 pm: |
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Karen , perhaps its the types of kids that end up being interested in riding. I mean , you can "Type" them and put them into a certain box after all.A certain type would go to private school , and then again a certain type would go to private school and want to ride horses. Maybe thats typing their parents... WHo knows,,,LOL. Yes the School is a little uppity and I know some of the stories... But I dont think any private school is going to avoid seeming uppity nor will they ever avoid people thinking that they are just out for the cash. Hell , we are all out for the cash , its just a reality , a necissary evil of damn near everything we do. I went to private school and yes , there are some "Bad kids" in there. But think about this. A really bad kid ussually makes a pretty fine adult...
As far as the kids being afraid of the outside world. Well , I cant say that I see it. Kim has more balls then me when it comes to all things public (Speaking and so forth) and she is half my age.... Come to think of it KJ , you are a private School Teacher yourself.... How ya like me now ????
Kyle |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:47 pm: |
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no cake Karen. maybe some syrup or honey though. haha.
now maybe i will have to take this Olsen party theme for real. hmmmm. if it happens i will take pics!! |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:12 pm: |
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Kyle,
I speak from my long-term experiences living and working in this rather small community. I meet a lot of people, from all economic strata, and I'm interested in kids, so I listen to what they have to say. Because of what I know, if I had a kid they wouldn't be enrolled in that school. I've had to alert parents more than once about doin's there, and the parents were grateful that I spoke to them. I expect Kim was good going in and I hope she got a good education there. I'm not tarring and feathering the place, I'm just telling you how I feel about it. There's a lot about the atmosphere and the lack of honesty that rubs me the wrong way.
As for me and my "private school", it's open to virtually all comers and it doesn't cost over $10K a year to be here. Oh, and I won't incessantly be in the pupil's pocket asking for more, more, MORE! I also won't use scare tactics to keep someone here, or intice them to come here in the first place.
Karen |
KJ
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:14 pm: |
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gp,
You're falling behind, better get out that Martha Stewart Throws a Party book and get to work! LOL!
Karen ; ) |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:19 pm: |
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Sheesh, Garrett.... my older daugher loves the Olsen twins.... I'd better not go there, or next, you'll be calling my house asking her out!
Immigrants, eh? Hmmmm....... although I can say that I'm pretty much Caucasian, um, it's hard to think of myself as an immigrant.... when I have time I try to work on my genealogy, shaking the family tree... and, up all of my lines, EVERYONE that I decend from was in the US by 1800.... but not only that, by 1800, they were all in either East Tennesee, western North Carolina, or southwestern Virgnia. Most of them, I can't figure out when they really came over, but, those few that I have found, came over before 1775.... I have one who is from Switzerland, a couple of potential Cherokees, but every single one of the rest of them, EVERYONE, is from the UK.... either England or Wales or Scotland or Ireland or Man....
Thus, I'm completely BORING when it comes to my family tree! No one came through Ellis Island, they were all here before it was there; no one is exotic, in any sense of the word. I'm just the end-product of a bunch of daft Brits with enough Scot and Irish to make me willing to fight with myself..... lol.....
Now, if you want to talk about moonshing stories in the family, well.... I can come up with "a couple".....
-L |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:22 pm: |
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oh it's already in the works!!
you're all invited.
http://view.greetings.yahoo.com/greet/view?BHEZ8GZKEQNZS |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:27 pm: |
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I would think that telling the kids and parents how awfull our public schools are would be scare tactic enough.... They would be accurate too... I mean god damn , if you fall asleep in class these days , the next thing you know you have a Disorder... Going by todays standards every single one of the people I went to School with were retards and all had some disorder that needed some sort of medication to treat.... The whole public School thing has pissed me off Karen and the kids are blamed for the Teachers lack of skill. It seems that the teachers are just supposed to run down a flow sheet each year and the kids are supposed to get it. The kids that dont get it or arent interested are , well , you know , suffering from some disorder... I agree that they are suffering but the disorder is worthlessteacher syndrome...
Kyle |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:42 pm: |
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Oh, and the teacher-thing...
I've taught before, in college, but that's nothing compared to my wife being a teacher... she's a 5th grade teacher in the public schools. Seeing it from her side, I don't see why ANYONE teaches.
Schools are given more and more that they're responsible for teaching the kids, but you've got parents out there who refuse to help with homework, they expect their kids to get As without doing any work, others refuse to believe that their kids have behavior issues, and so, the teachers are trying to fix all of it, and are left unthanked and don't get paid anything enough to live on to do it all.
As Karen pointed out, homeschooled kids usually turn out with a warped sense of the world, and in this neck of the woods, there's no such thing as private schools. Oh, well, there is, but, the only ones here are "Christian schools" that turn out kids that are warped as bad as homeschooled kids, if not worse.
And, it's not a worthless-teacher problem, Kyle... I agree, there ARE plenty of worthless teachers, but that's because you either have to LOVE kids A LOT to put up with ALL of that crap for little pay, or else, you were just wanting summers off. The schools don't pay enough to get GOOD teachers to stay.... my wife is doing it only because she feels as if she's "called" to teach, she's in there slugging away trying to save these rednecks' kids from their own parents' lack of parenting, and it's just about an impossible task.
The problem isn't with teachers, it's the parents. They don't discipline kids, they don't know enough to help their kids when it's time to do homework, they don't care enough to help their kids learn so that they can take care of themselves, most of them can't take care of themselves either.....
Sheesh, that's a bad soapbox to start.....
-L |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 03:53 pm: |
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Well Les , read your post over again. Man , nobody broke their fucking arm and forced them to teach. They took the damn job. I have a job that I took willingly and whenI did that I took the bullshit that came along with it. As do they. The big difference being that they are screwing with our futures if they arent cut out for the job. Perhaps the ones hiring the teachers are the ones that should have their asses tightened up a bit.
I hear this shit all the time about what the Teachers "Have to put up with" and for what little money they do it. Well god dammit , that pisses me off.. They are dealing with the same shit teachers have dealt with all along just at varying degrees... Today though , we want everything easy... Blame the kids , blame the parents but for christs sake dont blame the teachers... What a crock of shit that is.. Thats like a soldier saying that the other army didnt play fair.....
Kyle |
Heather
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 04:07 pm: |
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Karen, thanks for the input it's always good to hear both sides ...
Leslie, I have to disagree with the whole "it's the parents fault" assumption,,, I have been devoted to my son since birth and gone along with the suggestions of the schools and done things on my own to help teach my son. Kyle has been with me every step of the way when dealing with the school which is where his opinion comes from. I know the number of non-supported children out number the kids with parental support but it's a two way street and as far as teacher pay goes,,, well they chose that line of work and it's just that simple.
We have just had bad experiences with the Charles County public school systems.
Heather |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 04:07 pm: |
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Kyle,
Yes, BUT! Dammit, if she's not in there, who's gonna do it?
The reason why they do it, is because they know that somebody has to try!
IF she said "Fuck this".... and left, and some pitty-pansy psuhover was in there instead, those kids would not learn a damned thing, and they'd all be destined for populating trailer parks with their unruly offspring.
She's in there because she doesn't WANT there to be oodles of uneducated thugs running loose, she's trying to do a damn thing about it by going to work on the next generation before it's too fucking late.... the parents are already gone, but she loves those damned brats enough to keep trying....
And don't pull that soldier shit either, Kyle.... I think I can speak about what the military is like with more authority than you, eh? 
-L |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 04:14 pm: |
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Heather, it's not all parents. You're being a responsible parent.
I'm talking specifically about the people who Laura spent ALL YEAR calling and calling, never having calls returned, sending home report cards with straight Fs, and then the parents are pissed at her at the end of the year because she failed their kid for not being able to do 5th-grade level work in order to get out of the 5th grade.
And, if you've got an alternative to public schools, fine.... but, 75% of the country doesn't.....
FWIW....
-L |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 04:19 pm: |
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Addendum:
When we moved to Knoxville a few years ago, we spent a month driving down there, shopping around, not to just find a place to rent, but to find one in a good school system. We placed that high of an emportance on our kids' educations to do that. And, most of the people on THIS board, ie., a board oriented around "Land Rovers", aren't you're run-of-the-mill folk....
I'm not being elitist here, either. But the truth is, "people are stupid, and some are even more stupid".... If you could manage to find an average person for the US, and then compared them to the average person on this board, what do you think you'd find? Not that any of us here are the next Einstein, but, none of us are the village idiot, either (well, maybe there's a few exceptions to that last one, (Garrett)... )...
Yes, there are burned out teachers. But, if all of the teachers said "I'm not getting paid enough to do this crap"..... where do you think we'd be?
-L |
Heather
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 04:35 pm: |
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Leslie, I understand your point and I fall into the 75% too,, I know you weren't singling me out in anyway I was just defending the people who do support their children because I am one of them. We both speak from bias points of view, you with your wife and me in my situation.
I give much credit to those who do try and succeed with our children when they aren't with us,,, It's just to damn bad that the numbers of people like that aren't higher....
Heather |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 05:12 pm: |
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Leslie , its exactly the same as a Soldier saying that the other side didnt play fair. You signed up and you knew what was coming. Dont walk into the street and then complain about being hit by a car... I am not talking about your wife at all however. I am talking about some of te generic things you said that we have all heard way too many times."We dont get payed enough" "The parents are shit heads" "Too much is expected of us" Well Nooooooooooooooooooo shit , none of this is new and it didnt just happen yesterday. It was that way long before these people got their degree and took the job they now hold. I went to Private school because I was thrown out of the Chalres County public School system for punching a teacher in the 7th grade. I did it because he called me out and got in my face. That was some years ago so this problem of worthless teachers has been around atleast that long. In his career two other students hit him and the kids were tossed. No one was bright enough to say "Wait a minute , maybe he is doing something to provoke the kids" Nope , they just figured we were fucked and kicked us out...
It baffles me why its always the kids fault or the parents fault.. IN some cases it surely is but do all the kids have to suffer for it by way of poor teachers that are employed by us to do a god damn job ? If I dont do my job I am gone and no one gets blamed but me....
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 05:13 pm: |
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And Yes , I agree we are surrounded by idiots (Jay Jay will be all ove rthis in a second) but when everyone starts to suffer because of it there needs to be some kind of state mandated hunting season.....
Kyle |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
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Hey KYLE the Mexicans are even invadeing OCEAN CITY. I was down there 2 weeks ago for a cousens Graduation party in Ocean Pines. Afterwards me, my wife and my 6 year old son went to the beach and hit the boardwalk. I must have seen 60 mexicans down there all in small groups(they never travel alone) wearing their bandanas. Then i was talking to a police officer there who had broke up what was about to be a fight when some mexican was running his mouth to some dudes women. The cop said they have been haveing alot of problems with them this summer. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 07:58 pm: |
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Jeff , you are such a racist...
Kyle |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 08:08 pm: |
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Yea but I`m a:
American/Indian/Polish/German/Scottish type
And I used to date a mexican chick (man she had a hairy back). |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 08:11 pm: |
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So I guess taht makes me a racist for oppressing your beliefs...
Kyle |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 08:22 pm: |
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Well lets let JAY answer that one KYLE hehehe!! |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 08:30 pm: |
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As someone who recently exited the public school system and is now in university, I can pretty confidently say teachers do have to put up with more now than they did before. I saw a difference during the time I was in high school. Kids in general now have very little to no respect for authority figures. As for teachers, I've had a few bad ones but for the most part all my teachers were at least acceptable if not good. It's hard for them though when they get no respect from their class and no support from the school system. I've had teachers who spend a few hundred dollars of their own money in order to have supplies for the class. Also, I've been in both public and private schools and one is not necessarily better than the other.
As for not being able to afford private schools, well some cannot, but for most people it's a matter of not wanting to afford or rather not accepting the required sacrifices to send their kids to private school. What you can afford depends greatly on where things lie on your list of priorities.
I think Leslie's posts have been pretty much spot on. |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
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I don`t know about the Public V/S Private school crap. I know pleanty of Private school kids that are real Hudlems and punks, and I know just as many Public school kids that are the same. I myself went to Public school and the way I see it is , if ya want to learn you`ll learn, if ya don`t ya don`t its really that simple. I wanted to learn and surrouned my self with others that wanted to learn (ok so I was into Moshing as well eheh). But I knew right from wrong. I pushed myself do do better and better and my family encouraged me as well. I think the problem with most kids not learning in school, falls back on the parents to some extent. I`m now a father of a 6 year old and I`m always asking him what hes done in school today , what has he learned. I keep him active in things like Bike rideing, camping, some hikeing, fishing and even wheeling. I teach him what i`ve learned and hes a damn smart kid because of all this. I constently encourage him to ask questions and always give him a answer. I think alot of parents lack this type of communicatin/relation with their children, thus they act like morons like they do and do the crimminal shit like they do and that leads to them not careing to learn new things. Man I can go on and on about this but its really useless...you all get the point i`m makeing.
*** Its time we start blameing ourselves for our mistakes and not others *** |
Heather
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:25 pm: |
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Niall & Jeff,, you both make good points and your right people should take time to put things into perspective and prioritize,,, Sure teachers have to put up with more than they used to,,, but so do the kids and parents, it's a two way street...
A child who gets no support from a teacher is probably going to be ok with strong parental influence, as they will be payed the attention needed to enhance their education whether it be tutor or relocating the child to another school etc.
A child who gets no support from either end is pretty much screwed....
Not ALL but some teachers I think lack what it takes to make learning fun now a days which may result in why they get no respect. If adults allow one child to walk all over them with no repercussion then that simply causes a domino effect for others to act on....
Like I said it's a two way street,,, I don't want you guys thinking I'm against teachers as a whole because I'm not,, I just have feelings that run deep about this paticular topic,,,
Heather |
Heather
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One more point ,,, if children have unconcerned uninvolved parents that let them run wild,, although they may act like lil bad ass's they are just acting out of anger for feeling like no one cares for them,,, they generally look to people who show concern in most cases their teachers. So if the kids are being disrespectful etc what does that tell you...
H- |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 12:39 am: |
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I see that we must continue...
Kyle writes:
"Jay , you should probably stay quiet."
You really have a problem with anyone that disagrees with you.
"You kinda appear to be one of those "Flips" that doesnt wanna be known as a "Flip" so they claim to be from Hawaii or Samoan or some shit..."
Trying to get a rise out me?
For our gentle readership, Mr. Kyle is using the acronym that was widely used to describe "Fucking Little Island People". Somehow, I'm not surprised that you are familiar with racist terminology. Perhaps it comes from lessons learned from Pastor Thomas Robb?
BTW, I am from Hawai'i and do know quite a number of Samoans.
"If ya are ya are , if ya aint ya aint"
But I am.
"BUT , the Mexicans are an issue here."
No, they are not the issue here. The issue here is vandalism of Joanna's friends' Jeep. The commentary about Mexicans is totally unwarranted, out of place and inappropriate.
"Maybe you arent old enough to know what the place was like some years back..."
You mean back when Annapolis was white?
Just FYI, I do have membership privileges at the Annapolis Yacht Club. Perhaps if you don't mind wearing a blazer and trousers I'll take you for a tour.
Then Heather writes:
"Jay, (In the words of Brittany to Eminem),,,Please shut up, Please shut up!! "
Definitely not for you.
Joanna writes:
"I don't understand? Why would a "Flip" not want to be known as a "Flip"? What about them would they want to deny? Why would they rather be known as Hawaiian or Samoan?"
Good question and if you have read the above you will understand that "Flip" is a racist/derogatory term that is intended to belittle, berate and subjugate a people. Kyle uses it because he thinks that it is something that will empower him because the term "Flip" is the equivalent to the term "Nigger".
The phenomenon about certain Asians wanting to identify themselves as something other than themselves (i.e. "Hawaiian") stems from living as a minority in a White America. Those who grow up under the social/popular influence and dominance of whites tend to suffer from identity problems and the false need to associate themselves with something that is considered "safe". Being termed "Hawaiian" is a safe bet because of the extreme popularity that the islands enjoy here on the mainland.
Kyle writes:
"Joanna , there is a complex that some Asian cultures have , some self hate crap that pushes them to claim another nationality.. Shit sounds better or something. "
Quite obviously an explanation from someone who has absolutely no idea what he is writing about.
Kingfish writes:
"Hey Jay caligula, we got plenty of non-whites living here. Difference is, they don't wind up in the Police Beat section of the local paper. A city cop buddy of mine says they're dangerouse cause they're usually drunk and carry knives. When a gang of 'em attack a man and his son out fishing by the old severn river bridge (in the middle of the day) with knives and broken bottles, it really makes you wonder how productive to society some are."
Some? Exactly that. In any group of people there are those who are problematic. However, to immediately label an incident as promoted by such a group is wrong and inappropriate. Do we label you the same as those who stand under the banner of the Ku Klux Klan simply because you look like them?
"And don't give me any of the immigrant bull$hit either, my parents were immagrants from europe. First thing they did when they got here was to get a job and learn the language. No excuses, ya jackass. "
You really must be a simple creature. Look back at the history of our nation pal, it's filled with immigrants who migrated to sectors of the city where they spoke their own language and did business with their own people. It wasn't until their second and futher generations came into being did they "integrate" and add to the mix that is America.
Kingfish continues:
"Joanna, since you're a Philipina in Annapolis, (please don't be offended because I assume you know all the other Philipinos in town) do you know an Edsel G.?
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And if you really know others then perhaps you should know that it's "Filipinos" and not "Philipinos". |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 03:32 am: |
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Well, this thread has taken a good, but complex turn ... Ahhhhh, how to solve the world's problems ...
My posts on this thread were pretty much off the hip, from my own experience and observation. Yes, believe it or not, I do have *some* experience, LOL.
Yes, as far as teachers vs. parents, I think the knife does indeed cut both ways. Yes, there is a problem with 'labeling', or possibly 'mislabeling' of kids (and, it would seem, people ). Some of it from weariness, some of it from ignorance, some of it from laziness, some from anger, fear, whatever ... Yes, a problem. It's up to the parents to do something about it. Now, what to do, when the parents can't, won't or are unable to? Damn straight, there ARE good teachers out there, you will find them. Personally, I have not seen anything remarkable (in the least) out of the home schooled children I've known, but then again, that number has been limited.
Heather, my heart goes out to you. My son's kindergarten teacher tried to lay a bunch of crap on us, about ADD, (whatever, little did she know, it was among some of my more controversial studies) and a physical defect he has. I calmly asked for every specific, and addressed it. Too long and ridiculous to go into .. i.e. He just could not sit still. He did not color the 'appropriate' colors (apparently he did not color the Leprechaun green on St. Patrick's Day - What's worse was he never colored "within the lines" !!! Oh, the horror. He fell down a lot, ... Did "we need a referral to the school special ed physical therapist"??) - Every situation is different ... I'm in a different community, I don't even know what yours is like, but some things remain the same. I took the bull by the horns, and very diplomatically (and covertly) cut the woman off at her knees (I was diplomatic, but firm). That particular teacher is ancient/archaic and burned out. I'm sure she does do some good somewhere, too. Hell, it can just be painful, but this what I can say: Keep doing what is in your heart, and you know to be right. Keep reaching out, and getting allies, whatever it takes. (BTW: my son just took 3rd place in an upper belt division, out of 105 kids in a three state tournament for Karate - sparring, so much for her idea of "physical therapy", LOL). Hang in there.
I wish I could contribute a little more intelligently right now. I'm pretty tuckered out, and I fear I'm of no help in that area at this time. I'm just writing with my heart on my sleeve, because (even with as much anger as I show at the shitheads of society) I am also passionate about kids. Well, okay, sometimes they do get on my nerves ... that's what certain special (read: without 'the kids' so Kim can burn off some steam) wheelin' trips are about, LOL
Kim |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 08:16 am: |
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Kyle,
First off, I didn't say that there wasn't such a thing as fair in war.... while we like to "say" that we fight cleanly, no one "in the business" should realistically think that there is ANY expectation of the opposition fighting a clean fight. Of course, there are shits that do whine, but, they're usually dumb-butt people who were chagrined by a recruiter.... And, were the same brats in the classroom. And, they're the same as those twits that go into teaching just because they like having summers off.... (not that that happens to be a bad thing, it's a perk, but, you're in trouble if that's why you went into teaching)... true enough, a lot of people are teaching for the wrong reasons...
And, you're absolutely right, there are crappy teachers... we pulled Alex out of his class and put him in a different class because we could tell his teacher was clueless (an advantage to having a teacher as a parent). As Heather and Kim said, it cuts both ways. Both the teachers and the parents are responsible for the kids.
Wrong: Kyle, it's a newer phenomenon BTW... like Niall said. Laura's mom is a school teacher, has been since the 60's... Used to, yeah, you always had a few bad apples, but, for the most part, kids were well disciplined. Sometimes you would have more, sometimes less bad ones, but, nothing too bad. Over the past decade, though, there has been a REAL increase in the number of problem-cases... it's not even so much bad versus good students, but, an overall shift... there is a general apathy pervasive throughout the current student bodies, and it is getting worse. Not just her personal experience, but ask lots and lots of older teachers. I could tell a difference between when I started teaching, and when I quit. Shit, if kids were like they were when I was in school, they wouldn't be that bad... now, they are trying to be adults before they're mature enough to be, and don't think that there are consequences for their actions.
You say that you keep hearing the same generic crap... well, things that become cliché become cliché because they really do occur over and over. It's like stereotypes; they exist because there really are sets of characteristics that can be recognized as repeating.
I agree, teachers need to be accountable, just as anyone is for their job. But, they can't do their job if the parents and the kids don't do their part. Kids don't want to learn, they want grades handed to them. Parents don't want to teach/ raise/ discipline their kids, they expect the schools to do that, but at the same time, do kids get paddled in school anymore? So, it falls to the teacher to try to do it all, with their hands tied. Sure, if you want to ask that, then pay them to do it. You can't ask more of them without paying them to match it. That's why a lot of the teachers are average, and, to do all of that, and do it well, it takes someone above-average. If you pay 'em more, you can hold them more accountable. 'Til then, you can't get better people to put up w/ the crap, and you'll keep getting average teachers.
And, even though my kids go to public schools, I don't consider that their teachers are the ones responsible for their education, we are. So, we're involved... we help with homework, we get them to do projects outside of class, we try to make learning fun. My son, who just turned 7 and just got out of the first grade, has read the Hobbit, is reading Harry Potter right now, and can summarize almost every show about animals that has ever been on Discovery channel that he's ever seen. Yes, his teachers teach him, but, we are the ones responsible to make sure that he is learning. Same with Mandy, and it'll be the same with Abby.
Anyway, I've rambled enough.
-L |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 08:53 am: |
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Pay close attention...many reasons are listed here why larger "traditionally" American corporations have been moving elsewhere, specifically, their investments, holdings and tangible assets. Take, for example, our friends at Ford. |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 09:48 am: |
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Jay, if you're up past midnight (EST) defending your pathetic opinions on a Land Rover board, you need to get a life. So you're in the Annapolis Yacht Club? I guess they had a quota to fill. You're still a jackass. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 10:19 am: |
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The yaght club Jay ? I can see your silly ass now wearing a funny outfit topped off with a hat... As far as people disagreeing with me gos? Well , do those eyes you have actually work ? Someone disagrees with me every damned day..... I have a special love for you though dumb ass because you complain about off topic shit. The reality is that you dont know a damn thing about most of the topics so off topic shit is really all that you can join in on... Every single person in this thread knows more about the topics on this site accept you.... Seems to me that you would praise the off topic shit so that you can participate at all.... As far as me saying Flip or spic or Chalie or what ever. If you dont have a sense of Humor you probably shouldnt be here...
Kyle |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 10:49 am: |
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Speaking of off-topic, where was Flip Wilson from? Oh, nevermind! |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:04 am: |
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LOL , that was not very "correct" Greg..
Kyle |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:31 am: |
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Quote:For our gentle readership, Mr. Kyle is using the acronym that was widely used to describe "Fucking Little Island People".
Really? I didn't know that. I thought is was just short, albeit a somewhat derogatory short, for Filipino, meaning one who is from the Republic of the Philippines. Where did you obtain this piece of particularly ugly wisdom, Jay? Same place you picked up the equally ugly "nigger"?
-Blue, part of the gentle readership |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:31 pm: |
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Blue mirrored my thoughts exactly. Not all of us hear "Flip" like Jay does. Maybe that says something.
Jay, you are obviously an intelligent fellow who knows how to smith words quite well. Like Kyle said, you don't seem to know much about the topics on this board that relate to Rovers. This begs the question: why are you here? What do you hope to gain? Do you remeber my comment about just showing up at parties to be annoying? How many other boards do you drop in on that you have no knowledge relating to the primary purpose of the board?
I am here to learn more about my rig and to try to pass along what little I know to others. There is also the social aspect of chatting with buds around the country. I do think it speaks volumes when you keep coming back simply to object to the things you find distasteful.
Try smiling and laughing with others once in a while.
Curtis |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:34 pm: |
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In Jays defense Curtis , I do kinda throw him under the bus as much as I can... That kinda brings him back over and over I think... he did invite me to the boat club though..
Kyle |
Heather
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:36 pm: |
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Kim,, thanks for the kind words, don't have much time to talk now,,, REALLY busy at work!! Just wanted to acknowledge ya. I have stories that could go on for days so I know what your talking about. On a good note so far I have been able to live with every decision that I have made for my son but I still have a long way to go...
Heather |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:51 pm: |
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Kyle,
LOL. You do, and I kinda like having him around At least he is not sending anon email to people off line. For that matter, he even has the balls to post under his real name.
Curtis |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:55 pm: |
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Kim,
We are way off topic here, but I need to get a message to you:
I am in the middle of the big move until next weekend. I will try to tackle your project after that. Please pass along to Greg also. I simply have not been in front of my home email much so I did not respond to Gregs last message. You know what it is like: new house is in pieces and I am at a high stress level
Curtis |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 09:06 pm: |
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Curtis,
Sorry, I've been out all day, just got back in, then out again, etc.
Listen here, thank you for even thinking of us, and don't EVEN feel any necessity to explain ... If you only could see our house and schedules ... LOL??? Best wishes with that new house. relax and breath deep (for some reason people are always saying this to me, so thought I'd pass it on, LOL). Good thread here. On that note, always put your family first .
Heather,
I hear you loud and clear. Same here ... I was so knocked out last night, but I just wanted to send you a message ... A lot that is just too perplexing to try to put on a public forum, but FWIW, I can relate.
Kim |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 02:05 am: |
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Guess we'll just have to make this another 200+ thread.
Let's see what the crew wrote today.
Kingfish was first:
"Jay, if you're up past midnight (EST) defending your pathetic opinions on a Land Rover board, you need to get a life."
Is that supposed to be an attack?
Will it make you feel superior to think that I don't have a life? Go right ahead then. As I write this, it is 2:05am.
"So you're in the Annapolis Yacht Club? I guess they had a quota to fill. "
It must really pain a person like yourself that they would let a non-white like me in the club. Oh well.
"You're still a jackass. "
Thanks.
Of course, Kyle tries even harder:
"The yaght club Jay ? I can see your silly ass now wearing a funny outfit topped off with a hat..."
I'll send you a pic of me for clarity.
"As far as people disagreeing with me gos? Well , do those eyes you have actually work ? Someone disagrees with me every damned day..... I have a special love for you though dumb ass because you complain about off topic shit. "
Actually, since you decided a few posts ago to mention me I took that as a personal invitation to join this thread. It's actually quite interesting that you would even think of me before I enjoined the discussion, though.
"The reality is that you dont know a damn thing about most of the topics so off topic shit is really all that you can join in on... "
Thanks for letting me participate.
"Every single person in this thread knows more about the topics on this site accept you...."
I presume that you meant "except".
"Seems to me that you would praise the off topic shit so that you can participate at all...."
Quite obviously you would prefer if I just praised you and anything that you had to post instead.
"As far as me saying Flip or spic or Chalie or what ever. If you dont have a sense of Humor you probably shouldnt be here... "
I don't have a sense of humor for racist commentary.
Then we continue on with Blue:
"Really? I didn't know that. I thought is was just short, albeit a somewhat derogatory short, for Filipino, meaning one who is from the Republic of the Philippines. "
It is a short, derogatory term for Filipinos.
"Where did you obtain this piece of particularly ugly wisdom, Jay? Same place you picked up the equally ugly "nigger"? "
While it certainly is ugly, it is a part of the American History that we all share in this country. If you'd like to learn more about how Filipinos were called "Flip" and even "Nigger", I suggest you read "Sitting In Darkness" by David Haward Bain or "In Our Image" by Stanley Karnow.
Curtis N adds:
"Blue mirrored my thoughts exactly. Not all of us hear "Flip" like Jay does. Maybe that says something. "
Yes, it says that you are ignorant of the history behind the term "Flip" - which is not an uncommon thing amongst white Americans.
"Jay, you are obviously an intelligent fellow who knows how to smith words quite well."
And to think I spent most of my time in prep school sleeping.
"Like Kyle said, you don't seem to know much about the topics on this board that relate to Rovers."
I never proposed myself as an expert on Rovers.
"This begs the question: why are you here? What do you hope to gain? Do you remeber my comment about just showing up at parties to be annoying? How many other boards do you drop in on that you have no knowledge relating to the primary purpose of the board? "
How upset would you be if I told you that this is the only site that I visit to annoy people like you?
"I am here to learn more about my rig and to try to pass along what little I know to others. "
Perhaps you ought to review other threads where I have posted. Like you, I come here to learn about my Rover and pass what I know along to others. You don't notice those posts because they don't contradict what Kyle has to say.
"I do think it speaks volumes when you keep coming back simply to object to the things you find distasteful."
Speaking up against those who post racist remarks speaks volumes.
"Try smiling and laughing with others once in a while."
You're obviously someone who doesn't know me.
Beyond that, while you want to object to my posting, there are a number of people here who posted in that other thread that they enjoy the "colorful" banter because it adds "entertainment value". You don't like what I have to write? Think of it as part of the entertainment. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 06:23 am: |
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apparently using ethnic terms such as "flip" or "nigger" is not as wide spreas among americans as you may believe jay, i live in the midwest and have never heard the word "flip" used by anyone here, and in all honesty other than among the black americans i have never heard the word "nigger" used, there for you staement about "Yes, it says that you are ignorant of the history behind the term "Flip" - which is not an uncommon thing amongst white Americans" truly is not accurate. but keep it up you are really giving me a laff.
mike w
midwest kinda of fella |
Jude (Jdonato)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 09:33 am: |
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Interesting. I'm a 1st generation Filipino. 33yrs old. Don't ever recall being called a FLIP. Lots of times asshole, jerk, SOB, dumbass, jackass, and hey you. Learn something new every day.
F.L.I.P?! I think I'm gonna cry and harbor resentment to the rest of the world. Nah.
I'll just go wrench the Rover. Just got one of those new fangled spin-on oil filter adapters
Sorry to hear about your friends Jeep, Joanna. What comes around, goes around.
Jude. |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 10:02 am: |
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I have to agree with M.K Watson(lrover94). I live on the east coast and have never heard the term "FLIP" before until I read this thread. Also I RARELY hear the TERM " NIGGER" used from a WHITE person. Most often its the BLACKS that call each other "NIGGERS". Infact the Blacks use the term "NIGGER" more than the RED NEDCKS here and there`s alot of RED NECKS in Pasadena and Glen Burnie heheh. Ok for racial reason i`ll refer to RED NECKS as GOOD OLD BOYS so not to upset JAY. |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 01:10 pm: |
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M.K. - yes, the fact that you are unaware of a term makes you ignorant of it by definition.
Also, I believe you can have a female redneck and/or a young redneck so the term good old boys is still discriminatory.
Some of you need to step out of your bubble and experience the rest of the world. It's a lot more interesting than just hanging out in the suburbs. |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 01:15 pm: |
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OK Just to make things better:
Good Old Boys
Good Old Gals
Good old Youngens |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 03:17 pm: |
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Much better Jeff. I thank you for your understanding. However, I am still distressed. What about rednecks who are bad? I fear they may feel isolated if we only refer to "good" rednecks ;-) |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 05:09 pm: |
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huh, i never knew the "flip" thing..
it wasnt till last year that i heard an asian friend use the term "twinky" to describe himself.
"yellow on the outside and white on the inside"
rd |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 08:16 pm: |
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nialls i must say that after 9 years in the navy and 18 years of being an army brat i have seen more of the world than most of the people in the entire population of canada, to say that one is not wise to ways of the world with the amount of crap thrown at you by the TV is not an accurate statement. i must say that before you were born i was seeing the world as a good ole boy (being an APP from the mountains of eastern kentucky and reared up on the backwaters of the CHATTAHOOCHEE) i can say that i dont think it is a lack of worldly experence that has prevented me from being schooled in the ways of the racially inept, but it comes more from the choice of not associating with those who for a lack of serious balls use terms towards those whose skin texture may not be the scottish ruge that my manly body carries. that is not to say that kyles or anyones else use of such terms maybe that of adisrespect...nay...nay i say, for being the educated, world traveled, euro-male that i am, i can see that it was with more TONGUE N CHEEK than it was used to enflame the sensiblities of fine upstanding taxpayers whose replys address this board. relax people for crying out loud, so someone is a mex, a flip, an APP or just plain ole trailer park trash it all comes down to this,(atleast how it applies to joanna's friend's jeep) if you live in L.A. (thats in california Nialls) then the chance that you will be car jacked by a mexican-american, spick or mex is very high, if you are in DETROIT then it will be from a coon, nigger or african-american, and in the deep backwoods of every state if there is a cross burning in your front yard it was proberly put there by your neighborhood, redneck, good ole' whatever, trailerpark trash euro-american. now stop the fighting play nice and go fix that oil leak in that POS land rover parked in your drive.
mike w |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 09:11 pm: |
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WTF? Mike(s?), my comment about seeing the world was not directed at you. The only comment I was directing to you was that you were in fact ignorant of the term flip because you had not heard of it. That's what the word means.
Maybe you should ease up on the drinking.
What does APP mean? |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 12:14 am: |
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There is nothing wrong with these Jeep-burners that a couple of 45 ACP hollowpoints wouldn't take care of. At the time when I was a teen (not that long ago), if you were caught fucking up somebody's car, you were in for AT LEAST a serious ass-whipping, if not more. People just don't teach their kids respect anymore and the whole goddamn society is so litigious that if you did get a chance to defend your property, some rat bastard attorney would most likely sue you for attacking the "poor misunderstood child". There is a lot of similarity between this and the "American Taliban" John Walker-Lind. All this bull shit about him being misunderstood. Fuck that: Mike Spann should have shot his traitorous ass when he discovered that he was an American. It all boils down to taking responsibility for your actions, something that is lacking in this country today and is exaserbated by attorneys playing games. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 03:55 pm: |
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sorry for the delay Nialls, an APP is a person of Appalachain decent. they are a mix of irish, scottish, and native american.
mike w |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 09:17 pm: |
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Hmmm...I was unaware of that. Anyway, it's stupid for us to argue since we seem to agree on the main point ;-)
Jake, you mentioned John Walker. What exactly was he doing? Fighting in another country against other people in that country, right? How is that traitorous? Did he have ANYTHING to do with what happened in September? |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 11:16 pm: |
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Let me enlighten you on this Niall...John Walker was part of the Taliban. The Taliban was pretty much held up and financed by Binladen who was a main player in the September 11 attacks in New York. I myself would have shot the fuck if i`d had found him. |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:48 am: |
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Well, hmmmmmm.
I was just tuning into my email , and had to check out my soaps - I mean my D Web, LOL (note: *big friendly smile*)
Seriously, on this thread, I just wanted to say "Happy Father's Day!" to those to whom it applies (and to those to whom it applies, but do not necessarily know it ... )
Damn, I guess I am severely stupid, and incredibly ignorant. HAHAHAHA. Oh well.
Jude and Jake:
Kim |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 10:23 am: |
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Well, I guess I'm an APP too.... lol... never heard that before, and I even know about Melungeons, but .... lol....
I guess ignorance is bliss at times....
-L
Born and raised on the TN-VA line.... |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 02:54 pm: |
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The term Flip as told to me started in the Navy back in the 60's and was used abbreviate the ethnic origin of the Phillipino male service members ((Mercenaries)) from the Philippines.
I am sure its used today is as negative such as calling a Black a Nigger. Back then If you wanted to piss them of there were more interesting names to use than "Flip".
In 20 years of working with for and around them in the US Navy. I never met a more racists clannish group of people as the Philippinos...
Its funny to be around them and they not knowing you can speak some of there language,
I had to learn some of the basics of there language Taglog in my first duty assigiment i was the only non Phillipino in my workcenter.
PS sorry about the Jeep if it is any consolation My RR and Ford truck was vandalized by a Philippine gang few years back, all said it was about 7k in damages to steal 2 CD players.. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 03:13 pm: |
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Interesting Anon , but not a chance Jay could be wrong on the meaning of the word Flip. He is in a boat club for christs sakes ......
Kyle |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 04:00 pm: |
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Quote:While it certainly is ugly, it is a part of the American History that we all share in this country. If you'd like to learn more about how Filipinos were called "Flip" and even "Nigger", I suggest you read "Sitting In Darkness" by David Haward Bain or "In Our Image" by Stanley Karnow.
I really see no need to learn more about deragatory terms or uglo-American history. I just picked up four good, enlightening books by Thoreau, Sagan, and Gould for Father's Day and I think I'll concentrate on those. I was really curious because I have an Aunt named Phyllis and we all (the family) call her "Flip". To think that all this time we've been calling her a "fucking little island person." It's especially ironic since she lives in Hawaii...
my point is that some people choose to see certain things, like the Virgin Mary in a mud puddle or alien invasion in the Northern Lights... |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 08:21 pm: |
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Blue , its "You fucking desert" that keep seing aliens... Well , I mean the flying kind... Damn , that dont sound right either... How about , "The ones from anotehr planet" ???
Kyle |
Dee
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 08:36 pm: |
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Kyle your looking like you do support Eubonics after all or at least practice it |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 08:56 pm: |
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DISCO WEB ROXXOR and iz full of L33t D33wDz. Also Kyles Disco is UBER!! with that L33t KVT Bumper!!
I don`t know much Eubonics, but from playing all these damn online video games I sure have learned how to talk *DEEWD* language!!!! |
Axel Haakonsen (Axel)
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 11:18 pm: |
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Speaking of aliens, Kyle... I know for a fact that you saw one last time you were out in the desert. As a matter of fact, it's documented on the Moab video. If you look closely at the blue Disco with NJ plates, you can see an alien driving it. |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 11:22 pm: |
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OMG....was that an ALIEN accent I was hearing?????
Karen |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 12:43 am: |
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Jay (& 1Q4 Kyle),
I have been pretty tied up and have not been able to keep up with you. I will try here:
"How upset would you be if I told you that this is the only site that I visit to annoy people like you?"
I wouldn't be upset at all. Unlike you assumed in your last statement, I was one of the ones that view you as "entertainment value". I actually like having you around.
"Speaking up against those who post racist remarks speaks volumes."
This is an assumption based on your limited knowledge of the psyche of the white male. You are reading things into peoples posts that are not there. Look at actions. Ask Kyle how many people he has made the KVT bumper for of ethnic origin as a ratio to WASPS. I am not sure, but I think it is over 50%. I know of one asian and two hispanics. I don't know the whitey count, but I don't think it is that high.
That being said, don't jump out and assume that I will rush to Kyles defense for no reason. I have had my fair share of words with Kyle in the past. He has a style that is pretty abrasive and hard for some to know how to take. It has taken me nearly two years to even begin to know where he is coming from, and even then I am not sure .
Curtis |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 12:59 am: |
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Curtis writes:
"This is an assumption based on your limited knowledge of the psyche of the white male. You are reading things into peoples posts that are not there. Look at actions. "
Perhaps you ought to review my postings. I am looking at the actions.
"Ask Kyle how many people he has made the KVT bumper for of ethnic origin as a ratio to WASPS."
Quite frankly, whether he has made bumpers for green creatures from Mars is irrelevant. He makes a bumper for Ho and that dismisses his actions on this board because Ho is of Asian descent?
It goes back to the basics of his actions here. Calling me a "Flip" when he knows the racist meaning of the word - trying to use it as a tool to "win" the thread.
That is the "action" that we are reviewing here.
But since you want to bring up the bumper, how about telling us how much the bumper costs?
"That being said, don't jump out and assume that I will rush to Kyles defense for no reason. I have had my fair share of words with Kyle in the past. He has a style that is pretty abrasive and hard for some to know how to take. It has taken me nearly two years to even begin to know where he is coming from, and even then I am not sure"
You can rush to his defense if that is your choosing. Fact of the matter remains that the use of the word "Flip" in this thread was racist and derogatory. |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 01:09 am: |
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jay,
I give. You win. The horse is dead.
Curtis |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 09:02 am: |
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hmmmmm, maybe jay has something there, have you seen kyle's bumper...thats an attempt at humor for those to serious about themselves to know!
mike w
scottish-irish-cherokee-has to check the white box american |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 12:51 pm: |
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JC, I'm feeling left out over here.......
Kyle, most of the aliens around here don't fly, they walk, and they usually don't complete the trip across the desert this time of year. School of hard knocks and all that. How insensitive of you to bring that up. You're flippin unbelievable. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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"But since you want to bring up the bumper, how about telling us how much the bumper costs?
Perhaps I can clear that up for you Super J. The Bumpers in question were free to those individuals. Aside from the materials they didnt pay a dime... Is that what you were lookin for ?
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 01:18 pm: |
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"Fact of the matter remains that the use of the word "Flip" in this thread was racist and derogatory."
Ok Pshycic Friend Jay. Thats your perception of it. And Mine is different. So is Curis's and Blue Balls there. We all have different perceptions dip shit and congradulations for being the very first one to mention the big "N" on this board since it has begun. And dont give your self too much credit big boy. You dont know enough about the things on this BBS to be that big of an annoyance to anyone. I think you mentioned "Prep School" back there which kinda reinforces all the prep school cliche's. Silly bastard.... (Again , my PERCEPTION dumb ass)
Kyle |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 01:33 pm: |
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He was an abused child and feels threatened by Kyles manly presence. |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 03:05 pm: |
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“I think you mentioned "Prep School" back there which kinda reinforces all the prep school cliche's.”
Yep, but you forgot to mention the Yacht Club. I find the fact that he mentions these specific “qualifications” rather interesting. Did he tell us his profession, what his interests are, or what he has accomplished? Nope. However we do know that he says that he went to prep school and is a member of a yacht club.
I think jay there is an elitist and a racist himself. My assumption is based on the fact that he has indicated he is of Polynesian decent, but chooses to identify himself with what many consider to be the symbols of Caucasian success: prep schools and yacht clubs. That being said, he does not appear to even identify with his own ethnic origin, but instead try to make himself as the exception to his own culture.
That is my perception
So Jay, who really is the racists here?
Curtis |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 05:55 pm: |
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pyle von ahole wrote:
Quote:Silly bastard.... (Again , my PERCEPTION dumb ass)
"imagine that"
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Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:23 am: |
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does jerry springer know about this? LOL
jay, you fucking little island person, you have serious inferiority complex. admit it. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:43 am: |
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i bet his yacht is bigger than my canoe!
mike w |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:06 pm: |
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Jay, Jake, Kyle, and the rest of you Marylanders;
On Monday, I Depart Philly and I'll be rollin down through Annapolis on the way to Solomon's Island. I'll be down in Southern Maryland until Thursday Morning. If you see a Black D2 with NC plates; wave or issue the Middle Finger! I would love to communicate back. HA!
Paul D. Morgan
aka: Cracker, SnoBall, Whitey, Honkey.....etc. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:31 pm: |
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I am not in that area , . I am in SOMD much closer to your destination...
Kyle |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 02:51 pm: |
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Ho, I think the influence of that KVT bumper is starting to show! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:12 pm: |
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All of you people are losers who have nothing better to do than to attempt to bash each other on this bulletin board. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:25 pm: |
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lol , does anyone else see the hillarity in that ? Anon ? Try using your name when you call someone else a loser.... LOL
Kyle |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:52 pm: |
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Paul,
I'll keep a sharp eye out as you'll be passing me right down Route 4. Now, I don't think you said when I asked you before, but are you in Solomons to play with the toys at Pax River, or is it only a beer run?
Karen |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:41 pm: |
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anon,
LOL. That is the biggest bunch of whiney hypocritical drivel I have heard today.
I will say that you do have a point. It is sad that I am responding to an anon (read: noone)
Curtis |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:43 pm: |
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greg, i am just stating a fact. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 05:41 pm: |
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http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 07:13 pm: |
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KJ,
If you want, email me off DWEB and I'll stop by.
Yes, as my last trip; I will be playing with my 40 million dollar toys.
Paul
aka "Honkey on the go" |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 07:17 pm: |
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Jay,
I have a great picture for you. However the Security warning message keeps coming up.
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Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 07:24 pm: |
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Here ya go Jay,
I hope this is appropiate attire for the Yaught Club. |
Dee
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 07:28 pm: |
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Good one Paul |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 09:40 pm: |
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IIIIII"MMMM popeye the sailor man, iiiiiiiiiiii'mmmmmmm popeye the sailor man, i'm strong to finish cuz eyes eats my spinach, i'm popeye the sailor man. toot toot
mike w |
Dee
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:16 am: |
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Popeye was cool he wouldnt be caught dead in that gay getup |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:35 am: |
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Looks like we're collectively trying to bring this thread to 200 posts...
Blue - what can I say to make you feel left in?
Kyle writes:
"Perhaps I can clear that up for you Super J. The Bumpers in question were free to those individuals. Aside from the materials they didnt pay a dime... Is that what you were lookin for ? "
Free KVT Bumpers? Sounds good to me. I'll forward to you my shipping address.
"Ok Pshycic Friend Jay. Thats your perception of it. And Mine is different."
Run while you still can. You knew the history and meaning of the word "Flip". You assumed that I might be Filipino when you wrote it, otherwise you never would have written it.
I thought you proposed yourself as someone who stood up for what he wrote.
"We all have different perceptions dip shit and congradulations for being the very first one to mention the big "N" on this board since it has begun."
As it has been stated before, you calling me a "Flip" is equivalent to calling me a "Nigger". Don't try to pass on the racist commentary that you wrote.
"You dont know enough about the things on this BBS to be that big of an annoyance to anyone."
Quite obviously I must know enough to be an annoyance to you since you spend so much time writing to me here, mentioning my name in other threads unrelated to this one and discussing me "Offline" with your cohorts.
Curtis N writes:
"Yep, but you forgot to mention the Yacht Club. I find the fact that he mentions these specific “qualifications” rather interesting. Did he tell us his profession, what his interests are, or what he has accomplished? Nope. However we do know that he says that he went to prep school and is a member of a yacht club."
And I thought you said that this horse was dead?
Let me tell you about my "profession", just so that you'll feel better about yourselves, think of me as someone who doesn't work, lives off of social welfare (your tax dollars) and enjoys posting to DiscoWeb after midnight.
"I think jay there is an elitist and a racist himself."
Really? That's news.
"My assumption is based on the fact that he has indicated he is of Polynesian decent, but chooses to identify himself with what many consider to be the symbols of Caucasian success: prep schools and yacht clubs."
Let's take your statement a little farther. Considering that I come from a background that includes prep school and yacht clubs (those symbols of "caucasian success") that means if I am truly racist and elitist it is because of my upbringing, education and influence by these same symbols of "caucasian success" - meaning that I would be an elitist and a racist because I was taught to be that by whites!
"That being said, he does not appear to even identify with his own ethnic origin, but instead try to make himself as the exception to his own culture. "
Are you trying to state that only whites can be successful and with money?
Ho Chung writes:
"jay, you fucking little island person, you have serious inferiority complex. admit it."
Taking Curtis' line of thinking to maximum potential, it would seem that Mr. Chung's logic runs in the direction of those who gave him a free bumper.
So Curtis, how does your "perception" translate there?
Even Greg Davis acknowledges that:
"Ho, I think the influence of that KVT bumper is starting to show! "
Paul - thanks for the pic. However, my hat is black and I don't prefer the double-breasted blazer but I actually have that very same ascot.
In fact, if I can find it, I'll post a pic of me in my commodore's uniform in front of my Disco with the chrome plated sand ladders... |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:36 am: |
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Jay, my response was given as sarcasm. The two referenced in the message (Ho and Kyle) recognize that because they have grown accustomed to my sense of humor. Don't read into things too much. It tends to cloud one's perception of things. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:45 am: |
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"how about a Fresca? hmmmm. hmmmm."
"danny this is chuck shick"
damn....i can see lacie there in the background.
thanks paul. |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:48 am: |
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Be the Ball Garrett, Just be the Ball....... |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 10:09 am: |
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"I'm alright, nobody worry about me"
-L |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 10:14 am: |
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"you scratched my anchor!!" |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 10:33 am: |
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whine whine whine.....
mike w |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 10:37 am: |
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Jay , if I meant to call them little Island people I think everyone here knows I would have no problem saying it. To tell you the truth. I dont really see whats wrong with it if I did. They are "Little people" Its an accurate statement isnt it ? Perhaps they dont like it so much that they are "Little" ?
Kyle |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:07 pm: |
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Jay,
"So Curtis, how does your "perception" translate there?"
That is an easy one Jay. You just proved my point. I never said only white people can have the trappings of success. I only said that you chose to mention that you did. The fact that you had to let us know these "qualifications" of yours is what leads me to my accurate conclusion.
Earlier I decided not to mention that I don't even believe you. I will now
For some reason I do see you sucking up my tax dollars with a big smile on your face though.
Curtis |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:26 pm: |
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Jay,
I think the entire group would really appreciate it if you posted your picture. That way we can all get a visual............. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:33 pm: |
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jay, do you know what it's like to get a free bumper? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:36 pm: |
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How about his picture on the back of a milk carton insted... |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:41 pm: |
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yes, settle the debate that you have created!
mike w |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:57 pm: |
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Free is that because no one would pay for it? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:00 pm: |
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Absolutely Anon , after we threw it out the window how could I sell it to people ?
Kyle |
Dee
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:18 pm: |
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LOL, Next one throw my way let me know, I will proudly attach that POS to my ugly POS Disco and make all my jeep friends envious. Besides I could use an extra bed frame for camping.. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:27 pm: |
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Dee , you see since I am such a "Racist" I only give that worthless bumper to my "Non white" type friends. oops , did I say friends ? I meant... "Non white" people that I know... I couldnt give a cracker one of those bumpers and be able to sleep at night...
kyle |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:34 pm: |
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" I'm a cracker and I'm Proud to be a Cracker!"
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Dee
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:36 pm: |
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Watch who you calling cracker Boy, I class my self as other on all the federal forms.
Cherokee, Dutch, Scottish and Lebanese and some Persian thrown in for the attitude
Now can i quallify for a low intrest loan on a KVT bumper... |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:39 pm: |
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man, there ain't nothing to be proud of. you are just what you are. simple as that.
now, you can see how some can be "ashamed" of being what they are. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:48 pm: |
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Well Ho , as professor J here states. Its all Whiteys fault. Its even whiteys fault that Jay went to prep school and is in the boat club and acts like an elitisit ass..
Kyle |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:51 pm: |
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Quote:what can I say to make you feel left in?
Shit, I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.
ROTFLMAOAJC |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:57 pm: |
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i am not a cracker, no i am more like melba toast. mike w |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 10:27 pm: |
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Melba Mike...
Kyle |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 12:46 am: |
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I didn't check the post count before I clicked on the thread, so we're probably pretty close to 200 by now. Let's see what has been written.
First off, Kyle:
"Jay , if I meant to call them little Island people I think everyone here knows I would have no problem saying it. "
Kyle, you weren't calling an anonymous "them" a "little island people", you were calling me a "Fucking Little Island Person" - a term equivalent to "nigger". You knew it and that's why you used it.
"To tell you the truth. I dont really see whats wrong with it if I did. They are "Little people" Its an accurate statement isnt it ? Perhaps they dont like it so much that they are "Little" ? "
Who is this "they" you are trying to use to cover your tracks? You were not addressing a "they" in your poorly chosen remarks, you were addressing me. You attempted to racist words against me as a method for you to "win" the thread. Don't make excuses for it now.
Curtis N writes:
"Earlier I decided not to mention that I don't even believe you. I will now "
If you don't believe me, why bother in the first place?
"For some reason I do see you sucking up my tax dollars with a big smile on your face though."
With a smile bigger than the smiley face icon in your posts! I'll toast you on my next beer that your tax dollars paid for!
Paul Morgan writes:
"I think the entire group would really appreciate it if you posted your picture. That way we can all get a visual............."
I think I'll find the one where I am in the nude and standing on top of my chrome plated sand ladders for you.
Ho Chung:
"jay, do you know what it's like to get a free bumper?"
No Ho, I do not know what it is like to get a free bumper.
Kyle writes:
"Well Ho , as professor J here states. Its all Whiteys fault. Its even whiteys fault that Jay went to prep school and is in the boat club and acts like an elitisit ass.."
At least at prep school we learned how to spell "elitist"...
It was a prerequisite to graduation.
BTW, "Professor J"? I think I like that - kind of like Professor X or Professor Griff. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 08:49 am: |
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Um , yes Jay , "They" the Flips. I mean , they are little people that come from an island. Its an acurate statement. I suppose you are a FLIP as well since you are sooo defensive of it. Also , what in the hell does "WIN the thread" mean ? If you read the thread carefully you are talking shit about us whiteys and our pratices , and then , you turn around and blame whitey for you being a prick that went to prep School and Joined a boat club... I am dying over here lol
Kyle |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 08:56 am: |
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Hey, Don't be picking on Whitey!
There are so many politically incorrect things I would like to post. But, I will show restraint.
Paul
aka Snoball |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 10:05 am: |
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Can't we all just sing "Kumbyah" and get it over with? C'mon, someone start a new thread. This damn one keeps popping up and I've gone so far with it now I can't stop. Pleeease, stop the madness!! |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 10:22 am: |
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Well Greg. Sparky up here is pretty unbelieveable. I mean , are you really reading that shit ?
"Kyle, you weren't calling an anonymous "them" a "little island people", you were calling me a "Fucking Little Island Person" - a term equivalent to "nigger". You knew it and that's why you used it. "
Perhaps super J needs to talk to a few blacks that know their history before making sucha bold statement....
Kyle |
Hank (Disco_Tex)
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 11:05 am: |
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"There are so many politically incorrect things I would like to post. But, I will show restraint"
If you feel like you want to post something, step up and type it. If your worried about being politically correct and holding your comments to yourself, the other side is winning the battle as you set back and bite your tongue.
Speak your mind, don't let others tell you what to say or think.
Hank |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 12:43 pm: |
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Again, Kyle writes:
"Um , yes Jay , "They" the Flips. I mean , they are little people that come from an island. Its an acurate statement. I suppose you are a FLIP as well since you are sooo defensive of it."
You "suppose" that I am a "Flip" hence the reason you used it in the first place. Quite simply, you cannot erase or ignore the history and intent of the word "Flip" - you used it as a racial slur against me in this thread. Now, you propose that you were describing a people. You're really demonstrating that once you have boxed yourself into a corner with your own words, you attempt to use smoke and mirrors to turn the attention away from yourself.
" Also , what in the hell does "WIN the thread" mean ?"
It means exactly what is written. Your only position is that you must "win" every thread that you participate in. Any opinion or experience other than your own is met with disdain, ridicule and/or racial slurs.
" If you read the thread carefully you are talking shit about us whiteys and our pratices , and then , you turn around and blame whitey for you being a prick that went to prep School and Joined a boat club..."
Quite obviously it is you who has yet to read this thread carefully. I make no intentions against "whiteys" or the practices of "whiteys". The remarks about elitism, prep schools and white success were brought up by Curtis N. But facts regarding a thread are irrelevant to someone like who whose main interest is intimidation and racism.
Kyle continues:
"Well Greg. Sparky up here is pretty unbelieveable. I mean , are you really reading that shit ?
"Kyle, you weren't calling an anonymous "them" a "little island people", you were calling me a "Fucking Little Island Person" - a term equivalent to "nigger". You knew it and that's why you used it. "
Perhaps super J needs to talk to a few blacks that know their history before making sucha bold statement...."
Strangely enough, the books that demonstrate the history of the term "Flip" and the use of the word "nigger" against Filipinos were written by caucasians... In case you'd actually like to bring some education to this thread, you can check out the book "Sitting In Darkness" by David Haward Bain and "In Our Image" by Stanley Karnow.
Hank writes:
"Speak your mind, don't let others tell you what to say or think. "
I agree with Hank. Speak what you must. However, don't be surprised if you're called on it. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 01:05 pm: |
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Flip hops sa slang, kasi nga "Flip" as a short for Filipinos
For those that can translate go here
http://www.philippinestoday.net/April2002/datelinenewyork402.htm
The rest get a grip, Flip was used to abbreviate the word Filipinos. I lived there and never heard "Fucking Little Island Person" as a acronym. Used the term LBFM in reguard to the women working the bars..... Many years ago and another life. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 01:14 pm: |
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"You "suppose" that I am a "Flip" hence the reason you used it in the first place. Quite simply, you cannot erase or ignore the history and intent of the word "Flip" - you used it as a racial slur against me in this thread. Now, you propose that you were describing a people. You're really demonstrating that once you have boxed yourself into a corner with your own words, you attempt to use smoke and mirrors to turn the attention away from yourself. "
You idiot , I am not trying to divert a damn thing. I said early that I used it as an abreviation, Then after some flapping from you I say ok , lets say I used it as an abreviation of the term you say. If I have , its an accurate statement. Flips are indeed little Island people are they not ? They are small in stature and they come from an Island. I mean god damn dumb ass , is this a case of the truth hurting ? You have an isue with being short ? Its like saying to me. "Kyle , you are tall and white". I should get all wounded over that ? And you equate that to calling a black the big "N" ? Man , pull your head out of your big ass there sparky...
"Quite obviously it is you who has yet to read this thread carefully. I make no intentions against "whiteys" or the practices of "whiteys". The remarks about elitism, prep schools and white success were brought up by Curtis N. But facts regarding a thread are irrelevant to someone like who whose main interest is intimidation and racism. "
Now , what in the hell does this say ? NOTHING!! You didnt address my statement. You did indeed blame white america "Whitey" for your actions and you place in society... Read back big boy...
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 01:21 pm: |
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Oh , and I am actually Batavian which is a little Island. So I guess I should also be wounded if you call me a "Big fucking Island Person" Please dont call me that , I will not be able to hold my head high anylonger...
Kyle |
Dee
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 01:43 pm: |
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KYLE is this true?
Also you got it backwards your a Fucken Big Island Person "FBIP"
I know shuddup Dee |
Dee
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 02:01 pm: |
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Sorry cant get the image to look good enoug to fit, Ill try later. But your still a FBIP Kyle |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 02:33 pm: |
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Prior to this thread I would have thought the term "Flip" referred to something you did off a diving board, something you did to a pancake, or the name of a comedian. I guess I have been educated. It would seem to me that the term would much more likely be a shortened name for Filipino than any particular acronym. This would especially be true if the term was coined in the 60's or 70's since making an acronym out of every word and using "fucking" to describe a personal trait has only gained momentum in the latter part of to 20th century.
Playing devils advocate on my above statement: what does the acronym mean? Are the people from a fucking island? Is the island "little" or the people? Are they fucking people from a little island? Little people from a fucking island? I simply do not know and it does not appear that many one this board do...except for Jay.
Jay, I apologize if I played any part in offending your tender sensibilities. Really. I never meant to. I will say that in my experience in life I have usually noticed that the first person to stand up and cry "racisit!" is usually the one that is the racist himself. You have given a solid performace in proving this obervation as fact.
It is a good man who can base his personal worth on is on the inside and not what others think.
Curtis |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 03:01 pm: |
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So which is it Jay , You are a Hawaiian or a Philipino ? Either way that still kinda makes you a (To use your translation) "F.L.I.P" . Now doesnt it ? Both are from a small Island and both are people small in stature.. Perhaps that is why it bothers you so...
Kyle |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 03:33 pm: |
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flip flipping flip son of a flippin flip of a flip. did you see what the flippin flip flip said on dweb flipin flip of a flip. flip me jay is boring the hell out of me.i do hope someone knows him that can validate his claim to stardom, otherwise put him on the short jet.
mike w |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 06:08 pm: |
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Wow I found a PIC of JAY winning this POST!!!
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Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 07:11 pm: |
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Test |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 07:39 pm: |
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Yeah , I have no idea what Gilligan is considering "Winning"....
Kyle |
Dee
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 08:06 pm: |
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I thought he who has the most toys wins? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 08:18 pm: |
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Gilligan ? Dont tell me you went on a short 3 hour tour on the boat.....
Kyle |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 12:09 pm: |
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More like a 3hr tour on the Short Bus |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 01:24 am: |
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A few days away and I see that we have topped 200. Very well.
Kyle writes:
"You idiot , I am not trying to divert a damn thing. I said early that I used it as an abreviation, Then after some flapping from you I say ok , lets say I used it as an abreviation of the term you say."
You used it as a derogatory, racist term as a means of attempting to "win" the thread. It is your Modus Operandi.
"If I have , its an accurate statement. Flips are indeed little Island people are they not ?"
No, they are not. You might want to actually learn about a people before you try to hurl derogatory remarks about them.
" They are small in stature and they come from an Island. I mean god damn dumb ass , is this a case of the truth hurting ? You have an isue with being short ?"
It seems that it is you who has the issue with being confronted.
" Its like saying to me. "Kyle , you are tall and white". I should get all wounded over that ? And you equate that to calling a black the big "N" ? Man , pull your head out of your big ass there sparky..."
You called me a "FLIP" which has been demonstrated that it's meaning is equivalent to "NIGGER". You attempted to use a racist and derogatory term against me thinking that no one here would be the wiser to the history and meaning of the term.
"Now , what in the hell does this say ? NOTHING!! You didnt address my statement. You did indeed blame white america "Whitey" for your actions and you place in society... Read back big boy..."
Wrong again Van Tassel San. You should actually take some time to go back and re-read this thread to see the errors of your postings.
"Oh , and I am actually Batavian which is a little Island. So I guess I should also be wounded if you call me a "Big fucking Island Person" Please dont call me that , I will not be able to hold my head high anylonger..."
In these kinds of discussions with you, I do not find any need to make up any sort of labels for you. You do perfectly well on your own.
Curtis N writes:
"Playing devils advocate on my above statement: what does the acronym mean?"
Like I said above, the term "FLIP" stands for "Fucking Little Island People" and was coined as a racist and derogatory term to describe Filipinos.
"I simply do not know and it does not appear that many one this board do...except for Jay. "
Many on this board have absolutely no idea about the meaning behind the term hence Kyle's attempt to use it here.
"Jay, I apologize if I played any part in offending your tender sensibilities. Really. I never meant to. I will say that in my experience in life I have usually noticed that the first person to stand up and cry "racisit!" is usually the one that is the racist himself. You have given a solid performace in proving this obervation as fact."
If that is what you want to believe, that is your choice.
Kyle, of course, can't stay away from the thread and continues:
"So which is it Jay , You are a Hawaiian or a Philipino ? Either way that still kinda makes you a (To use your translation) "F.L.I.P" . Now doesnt it ? Both are from a small Island and both are people small in stature.. Perhaps that is why it bothers you so..."
Kyle, if you actually believe that Hawaiians are small in stature, then you really need to educate yourself and get out of Southern Maryland.
Jeff Watson writes:
"i do hope someone knows him that can validate his claim to stardom, otherwise put him on the short jet."
Just can't stand to see me paint your superhero Kyle as he really is.
Jeff Anderson - Keep it up and maybe you'll get a KVT bumper.
Speaking of which, where's my bumper Kyle? |
MTB
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 01:41 am: |
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Jay get over it and move on. And No I don't know Kyle or want a bumper. You keep beating Rob's dead horse. Didn't anyone ever tell you If you ignore them they will go away. If I would type that 6 more times I would start sounding like you guys "A broken record" |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:41 am: |
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Jay, please elaborate more. I was only able to pass out 3 times trying to read that. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 09:29 am: |
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ooops |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 09:31 am: |
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my name is not jeff, i stand by what i said and my super hero is the guy i look at in the mirror every morning.
mike w |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 11:20 am: |
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Jay, could you please further expand on your discussion of the issues associated with racism and discrimination in modern America? I feel that this is indeed an issue that some people on this bored would benefit from.
Thanks in advance,
Blue |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 12:54 pm: |
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ROTFLMAO
Blue, you have quite a way with words...LOL
Curtis |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 01:13 pm: |
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Well , I cant argue with the boy any longer. If he cant see that the Philipinos are smaller people that come from an Island then what can I say ? The shit is just too damn funny....lol
Kyle |
Dee
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 02:36 pm: |
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Blue, How does your satement relate to the Landrover=Snobrover string where there about to start sining a few lines from David Allan Coe-Redneck Mother |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 02:56 pm: |
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What, are they insulting "individuals who originate from the Republic of the Phillipines" on that thread too? LOL, I just wanted to see if JC will type more stuff that I won't read Seems like the snobrover people are just having fun taking jabs at themselves. I wonder if JC will take issue with that, too? |
Dee
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 03:12 pm: |
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Nop i was just trying to draw a contrsat between this Racism disscussion and proud to be a redneck
HeHe Disco web is more fun than watching Jerry Springer
Its funny i have been all over the far east now i stand 6'4" and usally weight 275 when i was walking around i felt like Gulliver
Dee |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 03:35 pm: |
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Dee ,that dont matter , Jay says it isnt so and he has been to prep School and is in a boat club.... Oh , and he reads books...yeah , thats it.... So for all those reasons above you should ignore reality and be "polite". In fact , I now think after all that reading that they are emense people .
Kyle |
Lil Bubba
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 04:19 pm: |
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I have one question. If Jay has such a problem with the white people that live in this country, and white people are such racists, then why live here. Besides the fact that you received a good education and you live off of American tax dollars, what benefit do you get out of it?
I have never heard the term flip before reading this post. Just having read this BBS for quite some time and knowing what the people are like, I know that names called in jest are not necessarilly meant to hurt anyone. I have had quite a few derogtory phrases thrown at me out in the real world. Being a minority I was taught to let it role off my back, people are going to say whatever they want, and no amount of discussion or logic will ever change that. Not everyone is the world is a racist, and not everyone in the world lives a bubbble. I sure as hell know that I didn't. But there are somethings I have never been exposed to that does not make me ignorant.
Come to think of I had to ask Paul what SMIB meant.
The only thing that really bothers me, is that while Jay rants on about being called a flip by Kyle, I sit back and think about the times where there have been things done worse to me than someone throwing slang my way, and all because of my heritage. |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 04:24 pm: |
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Y'know, it just occurred to me that Jay got his acronym for Flip from books, right? I guess he is one of those people who think that the authors of books are always right. I always hear the Phrase "It is DOCUMENTED!" Like that really means anything. Hell, this web site is "documented" and we all know most posts are 90% BS
I would like to think that I don't have a racist bone in my body. The reality is that we all do whether we think so or not. There are a lot of studies that show Western society has a "white bias". The surprising part is that poeple who are non-white usually have a stronger "white bias" than most white people.
Not that this matters. We are all here for only a short time. Make the most of it.
Curtis |
Wes Legaspi (Wes)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 05:05 pm: |
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Just want to let everyone know that not all Filipino's are like Jay...
Jay, if someone calls you a 'Flip' and are offended by it, that probably means you are a fucking little island person. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:39 pm: |
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Quote:Jay, if someone calls you a 'Flip' and are offended by it, that probably means you are a fucking little island person.
damn, I think old Wes just strolled in out of nowhere and solved this entire issue.
Nice goin.  |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:56 pm: |
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Curtis,
Well, My posts are 97% BS.
This is great, lets try and hit 300 with this one. I, being a redneck from Texas, now reformed and living in PA, know a little about predeterminations. I have found that if I let my southern accent out, two things happen: Guys think I am an idiot, and I pick up ladies quicker...
Let's see what this does to the thread.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:58 pm: |
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Actually Kennith , thats interesting. I wonder who is the most oppressing of the whiteys... Is it the southern trash or the northern snobby bastards ? I am sure Gilligan can give us insight from some book he has read...
Kyle |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 08:18 pm: |
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Actually, from living in both areas, I can comment on that.
I can tell you that I have met more prejudiced northerners than I have ever known in the south. Now, I have been in more southern states than northern ones, so that should tell you something.
Well, I'll leave you with that little nugget, theres a big storm here and I don't want to lose the computer.
Hey! Where do you get off calling me a piece of southern trash...And A northern snob?
Cheers,
Kennith |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 09:23 pm: |
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I'm BaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAK!
Cheers,
Kennith |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 09:57 pm: |
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JAY,
DAMN RIGHT i`m going for the free KVT!!!
Now Jay if I call you a "DICK HEAD" will you take it as a raceist remark. I mean maybe your chin slightly looks like a set of hairy balls. Seems to me your one of the assholes that sit around all day and look for shit to complain about. No matter what it is you will find something derogitory, racist or politicly incorrect about anything. You can probably look at a pile of shit and find something raceist about it. So get off the racial soap box and get on with things bud. Looking into shit to deep will drive you off the deep end one day. So lighten up. As far as me getting a free KVT from Kyle, well I think I got like 350 Kyle points but I need somehting like 25,000 points to win the free KVT. Have a nice day!! |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 11:01 pm: |
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I wish I had Kyle points. Hell, that should be a new thing on this site. Every time you agree with Kyle, you get Kyle points.
Just kidding Kyle.
I think you all should see Undercover Brother! It pokes fun at all things racist. Jay might be offended, though, as it only includes African Americans and Caucasians, no Islanders. That's prejudicial non-involvement! I'm filing a grievance!
Cheers,
Kennith-keep it in the family-Whichard |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 12:56 am: |
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My, my, my, I leave for about 24 hours and everyone still gets riled up. My last post was 205 and now we're past 226. Let's continue further because I'm enjoying this crusade to 300.
MRB writes:
"Jay get over it and move on. And No I don't know Kyle or want a bumper. You keep beating Rob's dead horse. Didn't anyone ever tell you If you ignore them they will go away."
Problem here MRB is that people like Kyle won't go away. They thrive on intimidating others on this board.
Blue writes:
"Jay, could you please further expand on your discussion of the issues associated with racism and discrimination in modern America? I feel that this is indeed an issue that some people on this bored would benefit from. "
Perhaps you ought to read my book published by Simon and Schuster, it's titled "Racism and Discrimination in America: A Case Study".
"LOL, I just wanted to see if JC will type more stuff that I won't read Seems like the snobrover people are just having fun taking jabs at themselves. I wonder if JC will take issue with that, too? "
Well, glad to see your still reading this thread. I have no issue with the Snobrover thread as I have never read it.
"Dee ,that dont matter , Jay says it isnt so and he has been to prep School and is in a boat club.... Oh , and he reads books...yeah , thats it.... So for all those reasons above you should ignore reality and be "polite". In fact , I now think after all that reading that they are emense people . "
Perhaps you meant "immense". Spelling...it's a Prep School Thing - you just wouldn't understand.
Lil Bubba writes:
"I have one question. If Jay has such a problem with the white people that live in this country, and white people are such racists, then why live here. Besides the fact that you received a good education and you live off of American tax dollars, what benefit do you get out of it?"
Bubba, I do not have a problem with white people. Perhaps if you looked back through this thread you would actually see that it was a white guy named Kyle Van Tassel who took issue with me and what race he assumed I might be by calling me a "Flip" - which as has been demonstrated is equivalent to "Nigger".
"I have never heard the term flip before reading this post. Just having read this BBS for quite some time and knowing what the people are like, I know that names called in jest are not necessarilly meant to hurt anyone. I have had quite a few derogtory phrases thrown at me out in the real world. Being a minority I was taught to let it role off my back, people are going to say whatever they want, and no amount of discussion or logic will ever change that."
Now that you have read this thread you know that "Flip" = "Nigger".
Further, I don't expect people like Kyle and his cohorts to change their racist viewpoints. It's their nature and they have demonstrated that clearly here.
"The only thing that really bothers me, is that while Jay rants on about being called a flip by Kyle, I sit back and think about the times where there have been things done worse to me than someone throwing slang my way, and all because of my heritage."
And what did you do about it? Just sit back and let it roll off? That is your choice. However, I will not sit back and let racist and derogatory commentary roll off. It is unwarranted and unnecessary in any of these DWeb discussions.
Wes Lesgaspi writes:
"Just want to let everyone know that not all Filipino's are like Jay...
Jay, if someone calls you a 'Flip' and are offended by it, that probably means you are a fucking little island person. "
With commentary like that, I'm glad to know that Wes isn't like me, nor part of my circle of friends - but maybe he went to my Prep School.
Jeff Anderson writes:
"DAMN RIGHT i`m going for the free KVT!!!"
No doubt that is why your posts always smooch his buttocks.
"Now Jay if I call you a "DICK HEAD" will you take it as a raceist remark."
Call me what you want. Especially since you want a KVT Bumper - all you have to do is follow in line with Kyle's BS and you're on your way to a free KVT Bumper.
"I mean maybe your chin slightly looks like a set of hairy balls. Seems to me your one of the assholes that sit around all day and look for shit to complain about. No matter what it is you will find something derogitory, racist or politicly incorrect about anything. You can probably look at a pile of shit and find something raceist about it. So get off the racial soap box and get on with things bud. Looking into shit to deep will drive you off the deep end one day."
You're right, I like to complain - makes you feel better and perhaps this will win you more points with Kyle for a free bumper. Hmm, let's see if we can work up a scorecard, call me an "asshole" and you get 500 KVT AssKiss Points. But I think "asshole" is more offensive than "DickHead" so that only rates 300 KVTAK Points.
"So lighten up. As far as me getting a free KVT from Kyle, well I think I got like 350 Kyle points but I need somehting like 25,000 points to win the free KVT. Have a nice day!! "
Maybe Kyle will post your score for all to see. |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:12 am: |
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"Problem here MRB is that people like Kyle won't go away. They thrive on intimidating others on this board."
Kyle dosn't intimidate me on this board, he intimidates me in person! On this board he can't beat me up.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:24 am: |
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Jay,
It is understandable that you feel as you do. Behaving such a manner must garner many ill remarks from common-folk. And you, being a well educated author, you shouldn't have to hear it.
Shame on you all! Especially you, Kyle, for being a rowdy bunch of males (for the most part), and for praying on the weak. Let it be known, that ill-humored jokes and racial slurs, no matter how funny will no longer be tolerated.
I feel, in some way, degraded by our common wrong-doings in this matter. Never should we look down on another human being, simply because he is not as good as us.
Furthermore, I humbly lift my chin and blow my nose at you all, for there is no more suitible punishment for your deeds.
Jay, give it up, you lost! |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:55 am: |
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"I feel, in some way, degraded by our common wrong-doings in this matter. Never should we look down on another human being, simply because he is not as good as us."
LOL...no, LMAO...no, truly ROTFLMAOWBSAOM
Kennith, which part of Texas do you hail from? I am an ol' San Antonio boy stuck up here in the Utah mountains.
Jay, I don't know what to say to you man. I would think by reading your ponderings you would be smart enough to let things roll off your back. I don't condone racists behavior at all, but you know what? It exists. If you stop and bitch evey time you hear something you find distasteful you will end up wasting you life away. I truly feel sorry for you and hope you seek help in this matter.
It comes as no small surprise that you live off the government dole. I am betting you are alluding to a job you have with the feds. You are probably a freaking nightmare there also. I am grateful I only have to deal with you online and at times that I choose. I hate to think what would happen if I had to deal with you day in and day out
Curtis |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 02:13 am: |
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I'm from the back woods of College Station. I lived there during the flood years, and had a blast. You know we got 16 inches of rain in 2 days down there! It was great! I only wish I had my Rover back then...
I live in a yuppy neighborhood in PA now, you can imagine the looks I get when I take "Misty" apart in my driveway, or wash the mud off and foul the whole damn block. Hell, I'm not lying, they just got me to get rid of the inoperative tractor rotting away beside my house, a 1965 Sears 6 hp Custom!
Cheers,
Kennith |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 02:31 am: |
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College Station...too many memories. I had some friends up who left yesterday from near there. The live in the Woodlands, but the son has been at A&M for the past three years. After showing them some trails I think he is going to trasfer up here for grad school.
Can't say I have ever seen PA. I have nothing against the state, but I can't say that I will EVER see PA
How is the progress on that rack going?
Curtis |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 02:42 am: |
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I had to pause the rack, as in a few days I am deploying overseas. Hopefully I'll be back to finish it
I'll probably be back in 9 months, with the design bugs all worked out and build the first one. I am going to let everyone know, don't worry.
I am buying a computer when I get to my duty location, and provided we don't get into a war, I should be able to get online periodically.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 09:01 am: |
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Jay ? as I said before. I (And most of the others) now agree with you , the island people are actually quite large and over shaddow most of us (If we talkin width) What more would you like ? You have not demonstrated that the word FLIP is equal to the word Nigger and franky you arent qualified you dumb fuck. In fact. I will show you how racist I am by banning your gigantic island ass the next time you see fit to use it here.... Can you hear me now ?
Kyle |
Lil Bubba
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 09:06 am: |
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Kyle is getting lots of Kyle points. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 09:41 am: |
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Tex, i see your point on the accent, having grown up in the deep south i too have learned to conceal my "twang" in order to prevent being looked down upon, but my wife loves it.
if you call him a "dickhead" that would be sexist not racist.
jay, never heard of your book, but in my life i have learned that those who get on a box and preach againest racism tend to be racist themselves. oh does your book have any pics, being the dumb redneck that i am i need pics to follow the storyline.
kyle's bumper sucks, no he doesnt scare me
and my name is stil not jeff!
mike w |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 11:15 am: |
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He is trying to give his word the signifigance of the big "N" therefore giving his "Plight" and his "Mission" the same signifigance... His statements are completely ignorant no matter how many books he has read.
As far as his personal atacks on me , I could give two shits I just wish he was better at it... Lord knows there is plenty of room for me to personally attack him....
Kyle |
ccdm3
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 11:54 am: |
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FLIP does not equal the "N" word! The "N" word has a history deep with oppression, hatred, and violence unequaled by any other word in our language. Jay, please do not try to equate a acronym based on the size of your people to a word that has such a demoralizing context. Also, please do not tell people what they mean when they use a word, even if they use it incorrectly. If something offends you I would suggest that you inform the person who offended you, politely, and ask not use such language again. It seems to me that you are trying to insult the people on this BBS by throwing out names of authors, country clubs, and prep schools the same way a person might insult you by using the word FLIP. You are trying to prove that you are more educated and have a higher economical status than most, which to me has the same outcome as ridiculing someone based on nationality. The only difference between you and many of the people who have responded to this BBS is that they are joking, and blatently at that.
Chad |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 12:38 pm: |
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Quote:Blue writes:
"Jay, could you please further expand on your discussion of the issues associated with racism and discrimination in modern America? I feel that this is indeed an issue that some people on this bored would benefit from. "
Perhaps you ought to read my book published by Simon and Schuster, it's titled "Racism and Discrimination in America: A Case Study".
JC, I was being sarcastic back there. Your posts are lengthy enough without further encouragement from your peers. Your years at prep school should have enabled you to catch the subtle hint I left ("...people on this bored...")
Also, now that I see you've authored a diatribe on the subject of discrimination, I'd be willing to bet that your discoweb Flip/n***** crusade is rooted more in self-justification than pure spirit and righteousness. Maybe you're even a little more of an "inventor" than research author.....? What exactly was your case study? Personal experience? Direct observation? What section does the library catalogue your work under? |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 12:51 pm: |
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Blue...you just had to go asking a bunch of questions now didn't you?
Curtis |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 09:20 pm: |
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Dang, I just got in and had to check ... this thread keeps going, and going, and going (insert a battery comercial here, LOL).
Kim  |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 09:32 pm: |
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Oh for the love of God!!! ... I almost forgot the most important point of this entire thread while I was drifting off, I mean reading ... Now, I really truly (really, LOL) don't thrive on being a potty mouth, but,
Jay:
asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, and, asshole.
Sorry,
Kim
would love a new front bumper |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 11:02 am: |
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I guess big boy dont wanna play no more... ??
Kyle |
chrisvonc
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 11:24 am: |
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Maybe his fingers fell off. LOL
Chris von C |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 11:27 am: |
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Hmmm , or the carpal tunnel..... ya never know..
Kyle |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 11:49 am: |
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Man.
Thought it'd reach 300.
Cheers,
Kennith |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 01:49 am: |
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As I return, I see that the thread has grown to 246 posts - and I thought someone previously said that this thread was dead! All evidence to the contrary. Let's see what folly ensues.
Kennith Whichard writes:
"Jay, give it up, you lost!"
If I have lost, then why the continuous remarks to what I have posted?
Curtis N continues:
"Jay, I don't know what to say to you man."
All evidence to the contrary Curtis. As one who claims not to know what more to say, you have said more than your share.
"I would think by reading your ponderings you would be smart enough to let things roll off your back. I don't condone racists behavior at all, but you know what? It exists. If you stop and bitch evey time you hear something you find distasteful you will end up wasting you life away. I truly feel sorry for you and hope you seek help in this matter. "
That's exactly what racists like Kyle want people like me to do. Pretend that it rolls of our backs and never challenge such ignorant and racist commentary. Your commentary that I should allow these kinds of remarks is condoning that activity.
Kyle tries again:
"You have not demonstrated that the word FLIP is equal to the word Nigger and franky you arent qualified you dumb fuck."
Basic fact remains Kyle that "Flip" is equivalent to "Nigger" in spite of what you would have us believe. It is documented and it is a fact. A fact that you cannot change.
If I happen to be a "dumb fuck" I don't mind - as long as I'm not like you.
"In fact. I will show you how racist I am by banning your gigantic island ass the next time you see fit to use it here.... Can you hear me now ? "
So you're going to ban me from DiscoWeb because I have exposed you for your racist commentary and have not shrunk from challenging you?
For someone who has claimed time and time again that he "doesn't give a fuck" about what other people think or say about him, you sure are letting your true colors show Kyle.
ccdm3 writes:
"FLIP does not equal the "N" word! "
It does, in fact equal the "N" word.
"The "N" word has a history deep with oppression, hatred, and violence unequaled by any other word in our language."
As does the term "Flip". In fact, both "Flip" and "Nigger" were used interchangeably to describe Filipinos. Again, if you'd like to read about it, I refer you to David Haward Bain's "Sitting In Darkness".
"Jay, please do not try to equate a acronym based on the size of your people to a word that has such a demoralizing context."
As Master Yoda once said, "There is no Try". The term "Flip" is just that - demoralizing. And it's use is inappropriate in any discussion.
"Also, please do not tell people what they mean when they use a word, even if they use it incorrectly. If something offends you I would suggest that you inform the person who offended you, politely, and ask not use such language again."
You might want to review Kyle's post of June 13, 2002 at 10:36am. Then, take a look at my posting of June 14, 2002 at 12:39am to see my response.
"It seems to me that you are trying to insult the people on this BBS by throwing out names of authors, country clubs, and prep schools the same way a person might insult you by using the word FLIP."
I am insulting in only a manner befitting those who have attempted to insult me. If using the name of authors and their works to reinforce the fact that "Flip" equals "Nigger" is insulting, then so be it. That fact still remains.
"You are trying to prove that you are more educated and have a higher economical status than most, which to me has the same outcome as ridiculing someone based on nationality. The only difference between you and many of the people who have responded to this BBS is that they are joking, and blatently at that. "
These people are hardly joking.
Blue writes:
"JC, I was being sarcastic back there. Your posts are lengthy enough without further encouragement from your peers. Your years at prep school should have enabled you to catch the subtle hint I left ("...people on this bored...") "
Your sarcastic comment was met with a sarcastic response concerning my book - but you obviously didn't catch on to that one.
"Also, now that I see you've authored a diatribe on the subject of discrimination, I'd be willing to bet that your discoweb Flip/n***** crusade is rooted more in self-justification than pure spirit and righteousness. Maybe you're even a little more of an "inventor" than research author.....? What exactly was your case study? Personal experience? Direct observation? What section does the library catalogue your work under? "
Again, you missed the sarcasm in my previous response.
But really, if you are interested in reading about "Flip" being equivalent to "Nigger", I refer you to:
"In Our Image" by Stanley Karnow, "Sitting In Darkness" by David Haward Bain or "America Is In The Heart" by Carlos Bulosan.
Kim S- right back to you. And I hope it helps you to get a free bumper.
Kyle chimes:
"I guess big boy dont wanna play no more... ?? "
Unlike you, I do not visit this board everyday.
And Kyle, you have been avoiding my question. How about giving me a free KVT bumper? Perhaps then I will consider worshiping you?
Here's to 300 posts! |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 02:43 am: |
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"Your commentary that I should allow these kinds of remarks is condoning that activity."
Here is news for you Jay: you have no choice but to "allow" it. This is an open board. If someone wants to say something and it pisses someone else off, then that is just the way it is. Only the owners of the BBS have authority to "allow" something or not.
I never said you should allow it. I said you should let it go. You have read a meaning into a word that apparently only you and an author of a book agree on. No one else appears to see it that way. I certainly don't. Who is to say that this author is the ulitimate authority on the definition of the word? You? Did he make up the acronym himself?
BTW - I have no intention of reading the book you reccomend
Curtis |
Anon
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 02:52 am: |
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I got a stiffy reading this clusterfuck |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 10:12 am: |
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Well , Jay wont be around any longer anyway...I wil leave his access long enough to read this. And no Jay , its not for anything other then you constantly flapping on about a word of which you are not qualified to judge the meaning of. Nor your book writer boy. The masses decides you stupid fuck over years and years and years... Look at our history with the blacks and then the flips and think about it again... Only a person trying to make himself more important or signifigant would make the claims you are making. perhaps your author is doing the same thing ?? You kind sound like rain man spouting that shit over and over again. "Its true cause my mommy said so and I read it in this book" over and over and over.
The funny part is that you are exactly what you said you werent. You are a philipino claiming to be something else. Exactly what kicked this thread off.. Now say good night Jay.....
Kyle |
ccdm3
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 01:08 pm: |
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I am going to miss Jay!
Can we say a little prayer for him?
Maybe a toast in his honor...or something...
:~) |
chrisvonc
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 01:35 pm: |
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William C. Leek (Onionman)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 09:24 pm: |
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Kyle, I have to disagree with you on this matter. I believe you should allow Jay continued access to this board. Whether or not I agree with either your opinion or with his is not the issue. To deny him freedom of expression is wrong. I know this is a privately owned forum, but it operates as a public forum, and I believe it wrong to suppress anyone's expression of opinion. In the past, I have complained about obscene photos being posted on a Land Rover related site, but this is not the same. His opinion should not be suppressed just because it does not match your's or even the majority of DiscoWeb readers. This is, after all, Independence Day, and his (and our) freedom should be celebrated.
Bill Leek |
a different edh
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 10:01 pm: |
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Kyle ,
I have to agree with Bill on this one . Just because someone offers an opposing view they should not be banned from expressing said opinion . Jay ,in my opinion, was offended by your use of racial remarks . Instead of standing up like a man and appologizing to him for making him feel uncomfortable you berated him for expressing his opposition to slurs . In your defense I have never seen you use the N word before this thread , but I have seen you use terms of questionable taste . I believe that this is a chance for you to take your lumps and move on . Not ban someone from a BB because of dissenting views . If this board was all of like minded people it would be useless . Much like our country we need diversity to be able to form educated opinions .
Ed |
Kyle
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Hmmmm , its not his "opinion" that I am suppressing. I gladly take heat in any way shape or form. Jay here is attempting to make it apear as though I dont like him because his views are different then mine. Hell , if that was the case , damn near every visitor to the site would have to be banned. NO , I told him to stay away from one thing which he chose not to do... And the reasons that I dont like him are vast , although they have nothing at all to do with his country of origin.. If idiots want a voice thats perfectly fine. We are just getting a little tired of being their podium... You dig ? And I didnt ban him yet , as I said earlier I gave him enough time to come back and read... That will also give him the last word...
Kyle |
Henry Fox
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 10:45 pm: |
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You have no 1st ammendment right here.
Whatever rights a poster has here, is given to you by the owners, not God, not The constitution, not anything else other than their generosity.
Henry |
Markd1x2 (Markd1x2)
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 04:16 am: |
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I started reading this thread out of curiosity and it has end so very badly for all of us. The thing that is even sadder is that such behavior is becoming typical of many threads on this BB. If you search for a few common explitives you will find that most of the large threads quickly degrade to profanity, racism, and downright antisocial behavior. Perhaps many of societies problems are our fault and we need to take responsibility, and change ourselves before we can expect anything else to change. Now... since I've added my observation, I expect to be attacked, abused, and put down... which would only prove my point.
Mark |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 02:00 am: |
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Ah, we're past the 250 mark, moving steadily towards 300...
Curtis N writes:
"Here is news for you Jay: you have no choice but to "allow" it. This is an open board. If someone wants to say something and it pisses someone else off, then that is just the way it is. Only the owners of the BBS have authority to "allow" something or not."
Again Curtis, it goes back to the basis of what Kyle tries to propose. Go ahead and make whatever statement(s) that you desire, just be prepared to be called on those statements. Kyle made a racist and derogatory statement aimed at me and designed to "win" the thread and I called him on it. In addition to calling him on it, I have provided supporting evidence from various sources.
"I never said you should allow it. I said you should let it go. You have read a meaning into a word that apparently only you and an author of a book agree on. No one else appears to see it that way."
There is no simple me and "an author" that thinks that "Flip" is equivalent to "Nigger" - it's historically documented fact - from multiple sources. Simply because you don't "see" it that way does not negate the intent, history or meaning of the word.
"Who is to say that this author is the ulitimate authority on the definition of the word? You? Did he make up the acronym himself?"
You attempt to propose that I offer one piece of supporting evidence when, in fact, I have offered no less than three sources of information. These various sources (most of which were written by caucasian authors) can be used to form a historiographical study of the term "Flip" - which would still demonstrate that the word is equivalent to "Nigger" in both use and context.
"BTW - I have no intention of reading the book you reccomend"
Then you remain as you are - without knowledge of any sort to deny that "Flip" is equivalent to "Nigger".
Kyle writes:
"Well , Jay wont be around any longer anyway...I wil leave his access long enough to read this. And no Jay , its not for anything other then you constantly flapping on about a word of which you are not qualified to judge the meaning of."
As we can see, disagreement and supporting evidence to deny Kyle his glory leaves him with little choice other than to ban me.
" The masses decides you stupid fuck over years and years and years... Look at our history with the blacks and then the flips and think about it again..."
Unlike your uneducated statements, I am looking over our history with both the Blacks and the Filipinos. In fact, both groups were labeled as "Niggers" by whites.
"Only a person trying to make himself more important or signifigant would make the claims you are making. perhaps your author is doing the same thing ?? "
Quite obviously you're just pissed off because I've demonstrated that you are a racist and a buffoon.
"You kind sound like rain man spouting that shit over and over again. "Its true cause my mommy said so and I read it in this book" over and over and over. "
Kind of like you ranting on and on about sand ladders...
"The funny part is that you are exactly what you said you werent. You are a philipino claiming to be something else."
Well, I'm definitely not a "philipino" - don't quite know what that is. Of course, someday you might realize that in order to be considered you should at least know how to spell what you are trying to make fun of.
"Exactly what kicked this thread off.. Now say good night Jay..... "
Going to ban me now Kyle? That way you don't have to actually defend the racist BS that you've written?
After being taken to task by others, Kyle continues:
"Hmmmm , its not his "opinion" that I am suppressing."
Sure it is, because I have not been afraid to express my opinion that you are a racist and a bully on this board over several threads.
" I gladly take heat in any way shape or form. Jay here is attempting to make it apear as though I dont like him because his views are different then mine."
My views are different than yours and you just can't take it anymore. Hence your desire to ban me.
It's quite comical considering that you have stated in previous postings that you don't give a "fuck" about what other people think - yet you always try to get a rise out of me.
"NO , I told him to stay away from one thing which he chose not to do..."
What was that? Portray you for the racist that you truly are? In fact, let's review. Scroll up to Kyle's post on Friday, June 28, 2002 at 9:01am and you will see:
"I will show you how racist I am by banning your gigantic island ass the next time you see fit to use it here.... Can you hear me now ? "
So, Kyle's reason for wanting to ban me is simply because I participate and rebut his statements in a thread where he tries to attack me on a racial level?
How appropriate for Kyle.
Guess I won't be getting a free KVT bumper anytime soon.
"And the reasons that I dont like him are vast"
Not really. He just doesn't like me because I'm not afraid to take him on.
"although they have nothing at all to do with his country of origin."
If that is the case, why even bother throwing racial slurs at me to begin with?
"If idiots want a voice thats perfectly fine."
They create a website that they can bully their way over and ban those with a dissenting viewpoint.
"We are just getting a little tired of being their podium... You dig ?"
Meaning that there isn't enough space on the podium for anyone but Kyle.
"And I didnt ban him yet , as I said earlier I gave him enough time to come back and read... That will also give him the last word... "
Somehow, I cannot see you giving in so easily.
I can see Kyle now, waiting with bated breath to ban me from his domain so that he can once again go back to being the bully without anyone to stand up to him.
Here's looking forward to 300 posts! |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 06:25 am: |
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YAWN!
mike w |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 01:30 pm: |
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OK, Jay, I can see the only way to fight stupidity is to just completely cover all the bases in one long ass mind numbing post. That I won’t do. Instead, I will break it down in smaller ones so that everyone doesn’t get tired of reading and quit half way through.
So lets start right at the beginning. Shall we?
"You kind of appear to be one of those "Flips" that doesn’t want to be known as a "Flip" so they claim to be from Hawaii or Samoan or some shit..."
Now, this appears to me quite accurate http://www.bibingka.com/names/default.htm (Scroll down to find your name) and (http://jaysshaveice.com/behind/2001/fiesta2001.html) and although I was using the term FLIP as a short you quickly informed me that it had another meaning (Fucking little Island People)
“For our gentle readership, Mr. Kyle is using the acronym that was widely used to describe "Fucking Little Island People". Somehow, I'm not surprised that you are familiar with racist terminology. Perhaps it comes from lessons learned from Pastor Thomas Robb?”
So, I went along with your explanation of the term and explained that your definition (Fucking little Island People) was still an accurate remark. Your people are indeed little. Possibly not little to you, as you are one of them but I believe your definition of the term would have been coined by Americans who are indeed larger in stature on average. You later said this was untrue and I am not sure how to argue that aside from finding the national stat on height from there which I am just not excited enough to go looking for. Its actually not important because I have never met a Philippine that was not what I would consider little to me and therefore the term would be relative to whoever was saying it. When it comes out of my mouth its an accurate factual statement. If someone who was, lets say, 5’3” said it, it wouldn’t be accurate. But that wasn’t the case.
Now I am quite sure that your people don’t like the fact that they are smaller on average then Americans are but that’s just the way it is. Short people don’t like being short! Hence the term “Short mans Complex”. But we aren’t supposed to talk about that right? Just like we aren’t supposed to talk about fat people. This doesn’t make me a racist it simply makes me blunt and politically incorrect.
Your definition of the term is a relative statement and therefore not up to you to decide on its accuracy.
Kyle
I aint done yet |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
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I have one question cause this was never explained but, mentioned and since I'm a sheltered little white boy from the rich part of town (cough), what facts do you use as a basis that being called the F word is as bad as an African man being called the N word? I know what our forefathers did to the African's and I haven't heard anything even near as bad that "Whitey" has done to your people? So please feel free to enlighten me... |
Kyle
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Now Jay lets move on to your comparison of the two words “FLIP” and the “Big N”.
You say they are equal in meaning. I need only go so far as to point you to Joanna’s post dated June 13, 2002.
“wow...just curious...
I am Filipino, or a "Flip" and I have never heard of that before. Hmmm, you learn something new everyday.”
And an Anon post dated. June 21, 2002
“Flip hops sa slang, kasi nga "Flip" as a short for Filipinos
For those that can translate go here
http://www.philippinestoday.net/April2002/datelinenewyork402.htm
The rest get a grip, Flip was used to abbreviate the word Filipinos. I lived there and never heard "Fucking Little Island Person" as a acronym. Used the term LBFM in reguard to the women working the bars..... Many years ago and another life.”
So, you say the words “Flip” and the “Big N” have the same meaning to different races. Well, I have to ask, find two Blacks in America that don’t know what the “Big N” means? We seem to have a few Island People that never heard the term Flip… That in itself is enough to completely destroy your theory…. Don’t argue it, its accurate. And do not attempt to make the two the same. A few Authors do not override what the masses think nor do they make something any more important or significant then it is. Perhaps to those that are socially deviate and spend time in books instead of the real world but it ends there….
Kyle |
Kyle
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Now Jay we move on to me being a racist and banning you because your views are different. I was quite clear in my post dated. June 28, 2002, when I said.
“Jay ? As I said before. I (And most of the others) now agree with you, the island people are actually quite large and over shadow most of us (If we talkin width) What more would you like ? You have not demonstrated that the word FLIP is equal to the word Nigger and frankly you aren’t qualified you dumb fuck. In fact. I will show you how racist I am by banning your gigantic island ass the next time you see fit to use it here.... Can you hear me now ? “
about you throwing around the big “N”. You had posted 9 million times before that, all posts being against my opinion (In an array of threads). No mention of banning was made until I made the statement above and it was not about your opinion it was about certain word usage. I was clear when I said it and I meant what I said. Just that and nothing more. In your attempt to become a martyr for your “cause” you make statements like.
“My views are different than yours and you just can't take it anymore. Hence your desire to ban me.”
And,
“So, Kyle's reason for wanting to ban me is simply because I participate and rebut his statements in a thread where he tries to attack me on a racial level?”
For starters, the word “FLIP” cannot be considered a racial slur (Proven above with complete clarity), AND, it cannot be considered specific to your people. IN fact, the term as you define it can be used to describe any number of Island people, therefore its not confined to your race creed or color. (Again, we are going along with your definition of the word)
Furthermore, over the years I have been in plenty of long drawn out debates with typers just like yourself. The big difference was that they had more brains and knowledge of the topic at hand. No one had ever been banned and there have been plenty to disagree with me and frankly, they did a much better job at it.
You can go away thinking that the reasons you state are what got you banned if you like I am sure that what you have compensated with your whole life when you have come face to face with your self esteem issues. But you should probably go over this and think about the real world and what the facts are as well, just for future reference.
In closing to this monumentally ignorant debate I will say that you calling me a racist seems to go hand in hand with many of you other views. You live in a world of books and authors and words, I imagine you have your whole life being sheltered by mommy. My side of the argument on me being a racist can actually be told right here on the site. Look in the galleries at my friends and events. I think I have fewer Anglo friends then I do non-Anglo. Again, those are the facts and the deeds I have done in real life. Not something I read about or just talk about… “Actions speak louder then words” Jay. That might crush your whole system of rationalizing but that’s how it is big boy…
Kyle |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 09:37 pm: |
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Well, I guess we really are going to 300 posts.
Kyle writes:
"Now, this appears to me quite accurate http://www.bibingka.com/names/default.htm (Scroll down to find your name)"
Gee, that must be some earth-shattering revelation since I happen to use my last name in these postings.
" and (http://jaysshaveice.com/behind/2001/fiesta2001.html)"
Oooh, is that supposed to be some revelation? In fact, we were vendors in the 2002 Fiesta Filipina this past June 9th. But the inclusion of a festival is hardly any sort of ammo - especially since we also do a festival known as Artscape.
"and although I was using the term FLIP as a short you quickly informed me that it had another meaning (Fucking little Island People)
“For our gentle readership, Mr. Kyle is using the acronym that was widely used to describe "Fucking Little Island People". Somehow, I'm not surprised that you are familiar with racist terminology. Perhaps it comes from lessons learned from Pastor Thomas Robb?”
So, I went along with your explanation of the term and explained that your definition (Fucking little Island People) was still an accurate remark. "
Of course you would, you're a racist. And to continue on this thought for the gentle readers, Pastor Thomas Robb is National Director for the Ku Klux Klan (www.kukluxklan.org) and it's always so refreshing to see Kyle supporting such folly.
"Your people are indeed little. Possibly not little to you, as you are one of them but I believe your definition of the term would have been coined by Americans who are indeed larger in stature on average. You later said this was untrue and I am not sure how to argue that aside from finding the national stat on height from there which I am just not excited enough to go looking for. "
Of course you wouldn't, it doesn't serve your purpose.
"Its actually not important because I have never met a Philippine that was not what I would consider little to me and therefore the term would be relative to whoever was saying it."
Actually, I have never met a Philippine either. It's difficult to meet nation states on the street.
"When it comes out of my mouth its an accurate factual statement."
Yeah, and you never met a "Philippine" on the street. Real factual Kyle.
Your use of the term "Philippine" demonstrates your complete disregard and racism. You've provided links above related to these issues and you state later that you have lived in-country, yet you have no grasp or comprehension on terminology or "factual information".
"Now I am quite sure that your people don’t like the fact that they are smaller on average then Americans are but that’s just the way it is."
"My people" don't seem to have a problem with their height. It's people like you who want to make height an issue - as though you have some sort of superiority complex that you want to demonstrate your greatness over all others. Oh, just a moment, that perfectly describes you!
"Short people don’t like being short! Hence the term “Short mans Complex”. But we aren’t supposed to talk about that right? "
Talk about it all you want. It only demonstrates your inferiority complexes.
"This doesn’t make me a racist it simply makes me blunt and politically incorrect. "
Calling people "Flip" and insulting an ethnic group of people is racist. And that person is you.
"Your definition of the term is a relative statement and therefore not up to you to decide on its accuracy. "
You decided to hurl a racist insult at me and I have called you on it. You are a racist and a buffoon whose main joy in life is to bully people on BBS called Discoweb.org.
Now, let's take a brief commercial break and see what Eric N had to say:
"what facts do you use as a basis that being called the F word is as bad as an African man being called the N word? I know what our forefathers did to the African's and I haven't heard anything even near as bad that "Whitey" has done to your people?"
Well Eric, that certainly is a good question. It's long and it's very involved but the gist of the matter is that the United States waged war on an independent republic known as The Philippines from 1898 through 1915. Filipinos had defeated their Spanish conquerors and were in the final stages of revolution when the United States entered the islands and began war. During this time period, the .45 ACP was designed specifically to kill southern Filipinos who were killing American invaders with bolo knives. Which also led to mass slaughter in the millions of Filipinos. The Filipinos had established an independent government that the United States disregarded on the quest for imperialistic domination of the Pacific (this was in addition to the American overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy in 1893).
I could go on and on and there are many books written about this overlooked period of Philippine-American History but the one that I think sums up alot of the problems and difficulties of the Philippine-American History is Stanley Karnow's "In Our Image". It's an easy read and details many of the facts surrounding our history.
Now back to Kyle:
"You say they are equal in meaning. I need only go so far as to point you to Joanna’s post dated June 13, 2002."
Joanna admits to not hearing the term before. Good thing. It demonstrates that she's not subjected to racists like you Kyle.
"“Flip hops sa slang, kasi nga "Flip" as a short for Filipinos "
Much like certain groups of African-Americans, certain groups of Filipino-Americans have taken the term "Flip" and have turned it into a sense of empowerment against racists like you Kyle. Within these certain groups of Filipinos, you will each them address each other as "Flip".
That said, I'd like to see you walk up to a group of African-Americans that you either do not know or barely know and call them "nigger" and see how they respond to you. Same thing when you address a Filipino in that manner. And because you think it's "accurate" also makes you the racist that I am calling you.
BTW, for those who are not familiar with the language, the term above can be translated as:
"Flip hop is a slang word, because Flip is short for Filipinos."
"The rest get a grip, Flip was used to abbreviate the word Filipinos. I lived there and never heard "Fucking Little Island Person" as a acronym."
You're not going to hear the term "Flip" used in the Philippines because it is an American slang/racist term for Filipinos. In addition to that, most Filipinos (in the Philippines) are unfamiliar with the term because it is an American term - hence the need for the author of the passage above to describe the term "Flips".
"Used the term LBFM in reguard to the women working the bars..... Many years ago and another life.”"
And we see that that "another life" is still alive and well in you.
LBFM = "Little Brown Fucking Machine"
How appropriate for you Kyle.
"So, you say the words “Flip” and the “Big N” have the same meaning to different races."
No, I'm saying that "Flip" and "Nigger" are equivalent to each other in meaning and context.
"Well, I have to ask, find two Blacks in America that don’t know what the “Big N” means? We seem to have a few Island People that never heard the term Flip…"
Considering that the history of the Philippines and America has been pushed under the rug, I'm not surprised that alot of Filipinos don't understand the intention of your racist attack.
Hence this education.
"That in itself is enough to completely destroy your theory…. Don’t argue it, its accurate."
So, you have a few Filipinos on this board, who are probably afraid of going against you to begin with, who have never heard the term "Flip" before - mainly Wes Legaspi and Joanna. So, by your argument, that is enough to indicate that "Flip" must not equal "Nigger". By this very same reasoning, it can be argued that you are a buffoon - not to mention a racist.
"And do not attempt to make the two the same."
I don't have to "attempt" because they are.
"A few Authors do not override what the masses think nor do they make something any more important or significant then it is."
As you are so proud to point out in your tech arguments, the masses are ignorant.
"Perhaps to those that are socially deviate and spend time in books instead of the real world but it ends there…. "
it is that time spent in books that gives us understanding and the knowledge to overcome racists like you, Kyle.
"Now Jay we move on to me being a racist and banning you because your views are different. I was quite clear in my post dated. June 28, 2002, when I said. "
We know what you said and it was:
" In fact. I will show you how racist I am by banning your gigantic island ass the next time you see fit to use it here.... Can you hear me now ? “"
Your justification for banning me is because you can no longer take the heat of being exposed for the racist that you are.
"about you throwing around the big “N”. You had posted 9 million times before that, all posts being against my opinion (In an array of threads)."
When you are used to a group of people kissing your ass in every imaginable combination and variation on both the Discoweb and your private bash e-mail server, my posts challenging you certainly must seem like 9 million posts. Funny thing was even when I wasn't participating in a thread you felt the need to mention my name - and you even stated that you were discussing me "off-line" with your cohorts! How odd indeed.
"No mention of banning was made until I made the statement above and it was not about your opinion it was about certain word usage. I was clear when I said it and I meant what I said. Just that and nothing more."
Keep repeating that to yourself so that you can believe it. It's plainly obvious that you want to ban me because you can't stand how I have no problem challenging you on issues such as these.
"In your attempt to become a martyr for your “cause” you make statements like."
I only become a "martyr" when you ban me.
"For starters, the word “FLIP” cannot be considered a racial slur (Proven above with complete clarity), AND, it cannot be considered specific to your people."
You're really reaching now and it's making you look more foolish by the post. I've provided references (which you chose not to review) and since you provided some links above, here's one for you to look over:
http://www.tribo.org/history/history1.html
Scroll down to "Flip" and you'll have even more to read on the subject.
"IN fact, the term as you define it can be used to describe any number of Island people, therefore its not confined to your race creed or color."
Oh do tell us how this applies to other island people. Tongans, Samoans, Maori?
"Furthermore, over the years I have been in plenty of long drawn out debates with typers just like yourself. The big difference was that they had more brains and knowledge of the topic at hand. No one had ever been banned and there have been plenty to disagree with me and frankly, they did a much better job at it. "
You can try all you want to berate me and attempt to discredit what I have stated. It still stands.
And if I really am not as "good" as the others, why have you bothered to try and save yourself each and every time?
BTW, you think they did a "better" job because they gave up after relatively a few posts.
"You can go away thinking that the reasons you state are what got you banned if you like I am sure that what you have compensated with your whole life when you have come face to face with your self esteem issues. But you should probably go over this and think about the real world and what the facts are as well, just for future reference."
You cannot stand the scrutiny.
"In closing to this monumentally ignorant debate I will say that you calling me a racist seems to go hand in hand with many of you other views. You live in a world of books and authors and words, I imagine you have your whole life being sheltered by mommy. My side of the argument on me being a racist can actually be told right here on the site."
Yes, the words you write are testament to your character.
" Look in the galleries at my friends and events. I think I have fewer Anglo friends then I do non-Anglo. "
The fact that you felt the need to state the above is demonstrative of your racism. Unlike you, I do not categorize my friends by ethnic boundaries. You must feel very multi-cultural that you have fucked Filipino whores and have a friend named Ho Chung.
"Again, those are the facts and the deeds I have done in real life. "
And they are unimpressive. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 10:58 pm: |
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Jay you are a real piece of work. Ignore the logic and call names when things get beyond your rhelm go to Kmart for under wear , gotta go to K Mart...... Yeah , K mart......
You dont address one single piece of logic and you still dodge the original fact that you are a little island person claiming another nationality.. Cling to your books boy..... Yeah , thats right,,,BOY...
Kyle |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 11:20 pm: |
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Holy Shit Man,
For 200 plus posts I have been watching this unfold. WTF Jay? Dude, spend less time at the library and more time playing with the Rover. After all, that is the common interest and focus of this site. When was the last time you went to the beach and actually drove on the sand, or went to a forest off road trail, or even camping which requires your tires to leave pavement? Parking at the Annapolis Yaught Club does not count either.
You want to talk racism, this is not the place. There are plenty of Folks here that served this fine country that had to endure shit duty in the Republic of the Phillipines. Remember Mt. Pinatubo (sp)? I was flying ten hours a day in helicopters for three weeks evacuating Philipinos to safety. I could give a shit less what color you people were. The fact was that your people were dying from being homeless, starved, and suffering various infections because that volcano decided to blow up. But it was okay for the Americans to roll in and save your people's ass wasn't it? So here you are in the land of strip malls, Big V-8 cars, and augmented women; and you are pissing off the very people that provide you with free speech access to this site.
If you are unhappy with Whitey and his lippy ways, then buy yourself a one way ticket back to the Phillipines. If not, shut the fuck up and drive the Rover.........
Paul D. Morgan |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 12:03 am: |
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JAY writes,
Of course you would, you're a racist. And to continue on this thought for the gentle readers, Pastor Thomas Robb is National Director for the Ku Klux Klan (www.kukluxklan.org) and it's always so refreshing to see Kyle supporting such folly.
KYLE writes,
"Mr. Kyle is using the acronym that was widely used to describe *Fucking Little Island People*". Somehow, I'm not surprised that you are familiar with racist terminology. Perhaps it comes from lessons learned from Pastor Thomas Robb?”
*It seems to me Kyle was refering to YOU JAY as learning this IGNORANCE from the Pastor Thomas Robb. In no way does it look to me that Kyle was supporting this man or the KKK. As matter of fact YOUR the one who brings up the KKK for the first time in this posting and even seem to know the KKK`s web address.*
JAY writes,(refering to Kylke)
You are a racist and a buffoon whose main joy in life is to bully people on BBS called Discoweb.org.
*Now I personaly don`t know Kyle but i`ve been on this BBS since the winter of 2000 or spring of 2001. In that time i`ve never seen Kyle be rasist to anyone nor have I seen him throw racial insults to anyone. I`ve never seen him BULLY anyone either, unless you call him a BULLY if he disagrees with you. Yes Kyle seems BLUNT and TO THE POINT and he has no problem telling you your wrong and shareing his view but theres nothing wrong with that. I`d rather have someone up front and TO THE POINT with me than have someone pussy foot around with a answer or hide his or here Point Of View on something.
JAY writes,
You're not going to hear the term "Flip" used in the Philippines because it is an American slang/racist term for Filipinos. In addition to that, most Filipinos (in the Philippines) are unfamiliar with the term because it is an American term.
*Thats funny Jay. Now I work with a lot of diffrent people. Blacks, whites, asians, you nameit they are my co-workers. Now i`ve asked my co-workers, family and neighbors what the trem "FLIP" means and none of them could give me an answer except for 4 and they said it was a shot term for people that come from or live in the philipines(sp). BUT they all new what the term Nigger, Whop, and wet back meant. So this tells me that the SLANG tear of FLIP as used in the same sense as the word nigger is not a AMERICAN made up slang term and if it is it must be used in only a certian part of this country. Even the asshole that I know who are rasist DICKS didn`t even know what FLIP meant. KYLE gave you the term of flip right here "“Flip hops sa slang, kasi nga "Flip" as a short for Filipinos " what more do you want!!
JAY writes,
No, I'm saying that "Flip" and "Nigger" are equivalent to each other in meaning and context.
*That fine if thats what your take on the word FLIP means. BUT its obvious thats NOT what Kyle`s take on the word is.
JAY writes,
You must feel very multi-cultural that you have fucked Filipino whores and have a friend named Ho Chung.
*Now why did you have to bring HO CHUNG`s name into this shit*
In ending i`d just like to say, Jay the only reason Kyle sems rasist to you is because you make it that way, nothing else. Kyle has tried over and over to state that he did not use the tearm FLIP in a rasist manner but no matter what he or anyone else has said makes you see it any diffrent. I have nothing against you , i don`t even know you but i`ll tell you this, I truly feel sorry for you if this is how you go through life. If you put a RACEIST tag every one you come across that may make a comment or gesture that you feel is racial then man we are all rasists. Ive used the "N" word before. Does that make me a rasist...No i don`t think so as my Brother in-law is BLACK and we are very close as family. I call my wife Chief Whopper to aggrivate her (she is Italian and native american). Do I hate Italians and Native Americans...NOPE. I call myself a CRACKER..do I hate whites...NOPE. So bro you need to get a grip on shit and take things as they are and how someone meant them..Don`t put words in others mouths and don`t put definition to someone elses WORD or WORDS let them define it for you! Cheers Amigo!!
Oh and Jay don`t worry i`m not kissing Kyle`s ass for a free KVT Bumper. I make more than enough money at what I do to pay Kyle for his hard work. I`m even going to go over Kyles house in the next week or so to meet him and check out his new Hi-Lift jack mounts which i`ll have no problem paying for. Just want to let you know Jay I don`t need to SUCK ASS to get by in life or to make friends. If ya don`t like me ya dont like me and if ya do ya do..it don`t matter to me. Life moves on and the world keeps turning!! |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 12:41 am: |
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Ok, so we killed a bunch of people.. What countries haven't we done that to? Did we drag you over here in boats and enslave you for decades and decades after? Being called the F word is not as bad as calling an African the N word. That's all I'm saying.. It's apples and oranges.. Not saying it's right or wrong to do that just that one is worse then the other. Now if he called you a slant eyed, rice eating, yellow nipsu, and told you to go back to your grass hut and work the family rice field than I would take that as a serious racist comment (just using that as an example not trying to get anyone all rilled up).. He didn't say that though. Anyways, you are right, I don't know much about your country's history and that very well could be that I have enough issues of my own then to worry about some thing that happend before I was even born. Way I look at it is that we all bleed the same color so who gives a shit were you came from.. I'm going to treat you the same as I would treat anyone else. You could be one of the nicest, coolest, or biggest ass holes on the earth but, I have never met you so I wouldn't know. Anyway, have a good one..
P.S. I too thought that the F word was just a abrev. Wierd too cause when I was a kid my best friend made us all call him the F word as his nickname and he was from there. Wonder why he would have wanted us to call him that. Maybe he thought it was an abrev too. Dunno.. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 08:45 am: |
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lil mikey is asked by his dad how school was today, lil mikey replies "i got an F." an "F" his dad replies, "how could that be." lil mikey says, "well she asked me what 3X2 is, i told her six." dad says "well that is correct." lil mikey tells dad that, "well then she asks me what 2X3 is"....dad then airs up and says "what the fuck does the is the differences", lil mikey says "that is exactly what i said."
now some may wonder what this has to do with the topic...nothing!
mike w |
Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 10:16 am: |
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Okay, I tried to avoid this thread since I know it's one of those -"Let's see who can type the most shit" kinda thread. I'll try to be short and sweet...
Jay,
I don't know if you're from the Philippines or not, but I am. Grew up there and came here in 1990 when I was 17 to join my parents who migrated here in '85. My grandfather fought the WWII along side the G.I. Joes so the US government granted them whatever it is they grant to bring his family here and eventually became US citizens.
Let me tell you this coming from a Filipino... JAY, FLIP DOES NOT EQUAL TO THE "N" WORD! trust me on this kabayan! (fellow Filipino) I knew of a group of filipino-american students back then that had a group/club that was formally called and referred to as FLIPS. Did they get offended? NO. They are actually the ones that came up with the name. As far as the definition, "Fucking Little Island People", that's new to me. Never heard that before. But like everyone else has stated, if you go through life tagging "racist" to every person that makes a comment you didn't like, I feel bad for you kabayan. Yes, we're minorities here and we don't have to take shit from anybody, as far as I can tell from all the 260+ post here, you're getting shit because of your own crying "racist" to Kyle and everybody else. I haven't met Kyle and am not trying to kiss his ass to get a free bumper (although a discount would be great), I'm just putting my .02 cents on this thread that has been going on for too long. I figured it would help you think it over since this post is coming from a Filipino.
FWIW
-glenn |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 04:54 pm: |
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Thank you Glenn.
Kyle - is Jay boy banned?
Curtis |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 05:05 pm: |
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Oh no , I wasnt going to make him a martyr. I want him to read through this shit if he can find his way out from under Mommas apron long enough... There is quite alot in his posts there that really doesnt need to be pointed out... Issues man , thats all I can say...
Kyle |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 01:41 am: |
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Good - I was hoping he could come back
Curtis |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 10:18 am: |
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Two Hundred and Seventy-Three posts in this thread. Looks like we really will reach 300 posts.
For the uninitiated reader, this is going to be a really long one.
Kyle writes:
"Jay you are a real piece of work. Ignore the logic and call names when things get beyond your rhelm go to Kmart for under wear "
Ignore logic and call names? Sounds like you Kyle. See above.
"You dont address one single piece of logic and you still dodge the original fact that you are a little island person claiming another nationality."
The problem with your argument here is that I have made no claims as to nationality. Take a look above.
Paul Morgan writes:
"For 200 plus posts I have been watching this unfold. WTF Jay? Dude, spend less time at the library and more time playing with the Rover. After all, that is the common interest and focus of this site."
Some of us actually work, Paul. While Rovers may be the common interest of this site, this thread has continued only because of the racist commentary made by Kyle and my refusal to allow such BS to continue unchallenged.
"You want to talk racism, this is not the place. "
In many ways I agree with you. However, I was not the one who brought the racist commentary to this thread. If you'd like to review the origins, scroll up to Kingfish's post of Thursday, June 13, 2002 @7:36am. Commentary like that is uncalled for and without basis - merely the rantings of a prejudiced/racist mind. My commentary in this thread begins at 10:29am that same day.
" But it was okay for the Americans to roll in and save your people's ass wasn't it?"
How Pinatubo and the situation surrounding it is germane to this is unclear.
"So here you are in the land of strip malls, Big V-8 cars, and augmented women; and you are pissing off the very people that provide you with free speech access to this site. "
It is that very person (Kyle) who supports this racist line of thinking and is being called on it.
"If you are unhappy with Whitey and his lippy ways, then buy yourself a one way ticket back to the Phillipines. If not, shut the fuck up and drive the Rover........."
Why don't you shuttle yourself back to wherever your ancestors come from because this is America and here we voice our concerns and work towards making life here a better place. If you don't like it, it is you who needs to get the "fuck" out.
Jeff Anderson (who I'm afraid is getting a bit lost in the dialogue) writes:
"It seems to me Kyle was refering to YOU JAY as learning this IGNORANCE from the Pastor Thomas Robb. "
Jeff, it was me who referenced Pastor Thomas Robb, not the other way around. And considering my skin tone, it would be impossible for me to be in the company of such a man.
"Now I personaly don`t know Kyle but i`ve been on this BBS since the winter of 2000 or spring of 2001. In that time i`ve never seen Kyle be rasist to anyone nor have I seen him throw racial insults to anyone."
Then look above Jeff because the man has done exactly what you think he has not.
"I`ve never seen him BULLY anyone either, unless you call him a BULLY if he disagrees with you."
Disagreement with someone's opinion is to be expected in any forum. However, outright ridicule and attack because someone's opinion/experience/desire is different has been Kyle's trademark. It seems that only thos who kiss his ass cannot see that.
"Yes Kyle seems BLUNT and TO THE POINT and he has no problem telling you your wrong and shareing his view but theres nothing wrong with that. I`d rather have someone up front and TO THE POINT with me than have someone pussy foot around with a answer or hide his or here Point Of View on something."
With that in mind, you should be quite satisfied that I have been blunt and to the point regarding this issue.
"Thats funny Jay. Now I work with a lot of diffrent people. Blacks, whites, asians, you nameit they are my co-workers. Now i`ve asked my co-workers, family and neighbors what the trem "FLIP" means and none of them could give me an answer except for 4 and they said it was a shot term for people that come from or live in the philipines(sp). BUT they all new what the term Nigger, Whop, and wet back meant. So this tells me that the SLANG tear of FLIP as used in the same sense as the word nigger is not a AMERICAN made up slang term and if it is it must be used in only a certian part of this country. Even the asshole that I know who are rasist DICKS didn`t even know what FLIP meant. KYLE gave you the term of flip right here "“Flip hops sa slang, kasi nga "Flip" as a short for Filipinos " what more do you want!! "
As we have noted in this discussion, the term "Flip" is not something that everyone knows the history or meaning of. Not too many years ago, "Nigger" was a term that was widely thought of as an appropriate (if derogatory) description of African-Americans. Because of forthright Blacks and an education in the term, it is not a term to be used in casual conversation today.
Quite simply, it is a racist/derogatory term and that was it's intent in this discussion. It was inappropriate and out of place. Had the offender simply acknowledged this and apologized for the error, this discussion most probably would not have continued. But that would not be part of Kyle's M.O..
"That fine if thats what your take on the word FLIP means. BUT its obvious thats NOT what Kyle`s take on the word is. "
It is very obvious what Kyle's 'take' on the word is - and it is exactly the opposite of what you are claiming here. Take a look above and what you see is shallow reasoning for use of the word.
" Kyle has tried over and over to state that he did not use the tearm FLIP in a rasist manner but no matter what he or anyone else has said makes you see it any diffrent."
Kyle has never said anything of the sort. What he has posted are claims that term is valid.
"Ive used the "N" word before. Does that make me a rasist...No i don`t think so as my Brother in-law is BLACK and we are very close as family. I call my wife Chief Whopper to aggrivate her (she is Italian and native american). Do I hate Italians and Native Americans...NOPE. I call myself a CRACKER..do I hate whites...NOPE. So bro you need to get a grip on shit and take things as they are and how someone meant them..Don`t put words in others mouths and don`t put definition to someone elses WORD or WORDS let them define it for you!"
Next time you are with your brother-in-law (the Black one) why don't you ask him how he would respond to someone that he 1)doesn't really know and 2)is in an argument with that calls him "nigger". Would he think that it was just an accurate description because that's what the person calling him that claims?
"If ya don`t like me ya dont like me and if ya do ya do..it don`t matter to me. Life moves on and the world keeps turning!! "
Quite simply, I don't know you and because of that fact I do not make judgements about liking you or disliking you.
Eric N writes:
"Now if he called you a slant eyed, rice eating, yellow nipsu, and told you to go back to your grass hut and work the family rice field than I would take that as a serious racist comment (just using that as an example not trying to get anyone all rilled up)."
"Flip" is a derogatory term that is on par with the statement above.
"Anyways, you are right, I don't know much about your country's history and that very well could be that I have enough issues of my own then to worry about some thing that happend before I was even born."
Most people do not know much about their own history, much less that of another country - this is to be expected and this is why we speak up on these issues when they arise.
"Way I look at it is that we all bleed the same color so who gives a shit were you came from.. I'm going to treat you the same as I would treat anyone else. You could be one of the nicest, coolest, or biggest ass holes on the earth but, I have never met you so I wouldn't know. "
I'm with you on this one. All of us do bleed the same color, this is why derogatory terms like "Flip" are unneccessary and out of place here.
" I too thought that the F word was just a abrev. Wierd too cause when I was a kid my best friend made us all call him the F word as his nickname and he was from there. Wonder why he would have wanted us to call him that."
As we acknowledged above, most people do not know their own history. Without a doubt, your friend did not know his either.
Glenn Guinto writes:
"Let me tell you this coming from a Filipino... JAY, FLIP DOES NOT EQUAL TO THE "N" WORD! trust me on this kabayan! (fellow Filipino) "
Glenn, it does. Now kabayan, I suggest that you review the materials I have referenced above concerning the history of Filipinos and America. If you'd like an online resource, www.tribo.org references discussions on the newsgroup soc.culture.filipino for this subject.
"As far as the definition, "Fucking Little Island People", that's new to me. Never heard that before."
Now you have and it is an American term.
"Yes, we're minorities here and we don't have to take shit from anybody, as far as I can tell from all the 260+ post here, you're getting shit because of your own crying "racist" to Kyle and everybody else."
I've been "getting shit" here because I refuse to allow racist commentary like Kyle's continue unchallenged. Since I don't need a bumper, I don't have to worry about it.
Besides, I think he's quite upset that if he were to give me a bumper, I'd want it chrome plated to match my chrome plated sand ladders.
Kyle returns:
"Oh no , I wasnt going to make him a martyr."
Now he isn't. One moment he says he's going to ban me because he can't take the heat anymore. But once he realizes that banning me means making me a martyr, he backs down. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 10:25 am: |
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LOL......
Kyle |
Gil Stevens (Gil)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 11:14 am: |
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for the love of god let this thread die. Jay, I have alot of respect for the amount of time and effort you put onto these posts, i dont undertsand why, but i respect it nonetheless. alas, this is obviously not going anywhere, and your posts are becoming redundant. you apparently believe that kyle is for some reason the reincarnation of hitler, I dont agree, but hey.. to each his own. point made (numerous times), so move on guy, there has to be more to your life than getting bent out of shape about a comment on a bbs. now i feel dirty just for posting on this thread..im going to have to take a shower.. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 11:15 am: |
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LOL , and youa re now a racist Gil....
Kyle |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 11:18 am: |
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I wanna be a racist too. But first I wanna be gay. Can I be a gay racist? Please, Kyle? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 11:21 am: |
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You will have to talk to Rob about that...
Kyle |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 12:37 pm: |
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ouch... Gay environmentalist racist... that is just wrong on so many levels.. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 12:57 pm: |
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JC, opinions are like assholes...everybody has one. Yours is just a little bigger than everyone else's.
ROTFLMAOAJC |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 01:33 pm: |
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.....and we all know what that means.
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Tar Heel
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 01:35 pm: |
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I have been called "Tar Heel" many times in jest of me growing up in rural North Carolina farm country where dirt, outdoor johns,tin roofs,shoes just for school and church, and tomatoe sandwiches ruled. Should I have been offended? |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 02:17 pm: |
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Tar Heel,
You are really Dan Quayle aren't you?
Jay,
You are not only a racist, but a liar. You had mentioned a while back that you lived on the taxpayers money. Who knows? Maybe you do have some job working as a GS-5 doing some menial task. What you did not mention is that you are a business owner. What is all this about Jay Shaved Ice, eh? Is that just a part time gig that you do when you are supposed to be at work?
There is a town (I forget the name) on the NE coast of Oahu. They have got the best damn shave ice I have ever had. There is some sweet bean concoction they put in the bottom of the cone. For the life of me I cannot remeber what it is called. What is that stuff?
Curtis |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 03:16 pm: |
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Tar Heel, tomato sandwiches definitely rule! .
Especially with a slice of cheddar in it. Damn, making my mouth water! |
Hank (Disco_Tex)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 04:17 pm: |
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I just popped in to get my daily laugh!
nigger, spic, meskin, gook, charlie, honky, cracker, flip.....etc, etc..
roflmfao |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 04:18 pm: |
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te he ha ha! maybe if we get to 300, maybe lil dude will get over him or herself!
mike w |
Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 10:06 pm: |
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Wow!!! See, this is the very reason I avoided posting on this thread. Now I'm "hooked"! Anyway, I agree with Gil, let's end this thread now.
Okay, let's just agree that Kyle is indeed a racist and let's all go to sleep! So what did we learn today boys and girls? Well, we learned that Flip = Nigger and Kyle is a racist bully and Jay is, well...  he can type
Happy now?!
-glenn |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 10:50 pm: |
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Yes , Glen , another case of not being able to argue with stupidity....
Kyle |
Lil Bubba
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 09:25 am: |
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You guys are too funny.
Hank you forgot a couple. Some of my favorites...Heb and Kyke. Not sure if that is how you spell it, only been called it.
So Kyle, now that we have determined that you are Hitler reincarnated, what are you going to do first? |
Big Daddy
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 10:28 am: |
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What happened to the KVT bumper and Kyle points thread ?
Garrett , post picture here......... |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 04:30 pm: |
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BTW I'm offended by anyone who calls my wife's car a "Ford" since we all know that means Found on Roadside Dead. It's true, there's a website that says so http://www.humanspeakers.com/ford/acronyms.htm
You may not think that when you say it, but because I think it means that, you are offending me. I'm going to scan the archives and make anyone who used the word Ford apologize to me.
Closing arguments will now be heard in the case of.....well....I'm not sure what it's called.
Jay is not allowed to use less than 5 screens of text. Kyle is not allowed to end his statement with "..." or "...." or even "......". Anyone else may make a final statement only once and then is forced to move on with their life. Anyone posting more than one message will have their tires turned white walls out in the middle of the night and locking lug nuts put on. Except for those few who actually LIKE whitewalls, in which case I'll paint them blue. |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 04:42 pm: |
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Better watch out Garrett,
Peter here has issue's with your tires. I would be offended! HA!
Paul
Back in Philly... |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 07:02 pm: |
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I'm disappointed we did not reach 300. |
Dee
| | Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 08:10 pm: |
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Jay, dont take this wrong but do you have any thing Rover related to say, Or are the Yahoo chats boring you? |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:20 am: |
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Ok, Jay...... |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:20 am: |
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Since it's so important to you..... |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:21 am: |
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Little man...... |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:22 am: |
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Or dare I say..... |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:23 am: |
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FLIP..... |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:23 am: |
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I'll make sure that this thread hits 300..... |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:25 am: |
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SO that we can put it out of its misery and let it die.
-L |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 09:32 am: |
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feel better now?
mike w |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 09:42 am: |
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Actually, yeah....
-L |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 05:09 pm: |
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Dee
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 07:09 pm: |
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Dam Blue your stinking up the place |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:40 pm: |
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LOL, (holding my nose) it needed to be done. He's burning the kicked up dead horse.
Kim |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 12:33 am: |
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Thanks Leslie-
How about 400? |
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