| Author |
Message |
    
Ron Ward (Ronward)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 01:09 pm: | 
|
Got a new full size air mattress for father's day. Need a new tent that it can fit into. I'm looking for something light, and very easy, quick to install. Anyone have a suggestion? I ask because there's about 15,000 different tents out there...
My old tent is 11 years old, dome type 2 man unit that is a bitch to set up (poles catch on the nylon sleeves).
Ron Ward |
94Rover
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 01:29 pm: |
|
Head over to your local Target- Plenty tents to choose from here in MD, so I'm guessing that since the store is a chain it should stock the same items, and the tents were very enexpensive last time I was there shopping for a sleeping bag- I think there is a 4 adult model that your air mattress will fit nice and snug into.
http://www.target.com
link to the sports and luggage section, then link to the camping section
and voila' http://images.targetco.net/product/65356-1-p_lw.jpg
94Rover |
Wes Legaspi (Wes)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 01:35 pm: |
|
In CA, Target has two models from Coleman on sale, 1 is a 3 room for $122, the other is a 2 room for $99. I'm pretty sure your airbed will fit in either one. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 02:34 pm: |
|
check out http://www.rei-outlet.com or http://www.sierratradingpost.com/
will be a bit more than you Coleman's and other Wal Mart/Target brands, but also something you will have with you 10 years from now.
i will buy plastic lawn chairs, fuel and trash cans at wal mart/target, but you won't catch me buying gear that i want to last.
do it right the first time and spend a little extra $$$ on a decent tent. i think you will be a little happier.
not saying to go out and buy a Moutain Hardwear or Sierra Designs.....but some decent.
my .02 cents. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 02:43 pm: |
|
here are some inexpensive tents that should work for you.
http://www.rei-outlet.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=10595334&prmenbr=8000
http://www.rei-outlet.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=10710776&prmenbr=8000
http://www.rei-outlet.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=10698971&prmenbr=8000
http://www.rei-outlet.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=10708392&prmenbr=8000
these are larger tents.....i was assuming you would be getting one.
ps: i don't want to sound like i a saying all the Target and those stores sells is crap (but then again allot of it is), but i have just seen what Coleman has been selling in the past years and it ain't good. from their boats to gear i think it is pretty close to dog shit. sorry.....just my opinion. does not mean you have to spend the big $$ to get something that will work. i have several tents......North Face and Wenzel. Wenzel being much cheaper than my NF tents, but they have been great tents (Wenzel). even in HUGE downpours i have been bone dry. good taped and tubed flooring with pretty good features without spending a ton. |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 02:54 pm: |
|
Check out www.campmor.com They always have a good selection of the 'discontinued models'...usually just last year's color combinations. You can get a good brand tent without paying MSRP! |
Ron Ward (Ronward)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 04:12 pm: |
|
My 11 year old tent is a Sierra Designs and it has really been a champ. I'm looking for something a little bigger, easier to pitch and enough room for all the stuff. I like what I see on the REI site so I may get more ideas there. Thanks for all the help folks!!
Ron Ward |
jmon
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 05:08 pm: |
|
what kind of usage will this tent be needing to hold up too? |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 06:08 pm: |
|
Cabelas has some nice tents also. (www.cabelas.com) I have their 4 person Alaskan Guide tent and it is roomy and very well built. Though it isn't hard to set up it does take quite a bit of time to do if you are setting it up by your self. It is also not a tent you want to take hiking. However, if your driving to your destination it makes a great tent. |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 06:31 pm: |
|
Not sure how much cash you want to spend on the tent but Go check out MOUNTIAN HARDWARE. In my opinion they are the best. This statment comes from years of camping and hikeing with there tents and equipment. The cash you spend on it now will last you many years to come. |
Ron Ward (Ronward)
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 07:04 pm: |
|
As to kind of use, strictly truck based camping, no hiking. |
joe
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 08:40 pm: |
|
rei supports the enemy dont buy it from them. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 08:35 am: |
|
REI (and REI Outlet) sells great gear at good prices. go cry on your blankee somewhere else.
hey if you want to spend bigger bucks certainly go big. like Jeff said MH makes some great stuff. have tons of their gear and love it 110%. and i USE the stuff. |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 09:31 am: |
|
Mountain Hardwear is definitely the way to go with name brand, top of the line gear. The equipment I have of theirs is fantastic...and the sales reps are great people too! (I used to work in an outdoor gear store). They are the brand of choice of all the guys at my store. |
Douglas Jones (Ozaukeedoug)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 01:12 pm: |
|
Forget about name brands and look for the important stuff.
1.Bathtub floor construction
2. Clips, not sleeves, for attaching tent to poles
3. Full coverage rainfly, or as close to it as you can get.
4. Aluminum poles,Al is lighter. Fiberglass will dryrot and stress crack years before Al will give in.
5. Vestibules are very nice for storing gear and for helping to keep out the elelments when going in and out of the tent.
Even if you have factory taped seams, apply 2 coats of seam sealer to the inside and outside of every seam.
Walk into any outdoors store with this list and you will get a dependable tent that will keep you dry and happy for years. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 02:56 pm: |
|
Ozaukeedoug makes a good point to look for the features and benefits in the product. For us having a large vestibule is important as that is where the dogs go if wet. Also a good place to hang out if its hot, humid and raining which usually means mucho bugs. We have the LLBean Mountain Lodge tent which just lasted through a major wind storm in GSD Nat'l Park. Except for the guy behind us and he was sheltered by some trees, everyone else's tent was laying in a heap with shattered poles and ripped flies. Although ours is the older version (> 6 years), it still has worked very well in some pretty rough weather. The newer ones are domes which should be even better. Plus, if anything breaks, they'll fix it, or replace it, or give your money back.
Jaime |
Joe
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 09:05 pm: |
|
Thanks gp I will think of you when the trails are closed. There are alot of other places with good prices and gear. When i buy something that costs three hundred dollars it wont kill me to pay two more. It is worth it to keep the forests open. |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 09:11 pm: |
|
May I ask: who is 'the enemy' supposed to be? I've never thought badly about REI, they are a pretty environmentally conscious organization...am I missing something? |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 09:34 pm: |
|
I agree with Doug's criteria. I bought an inexpensive tent from Sam's Club a few years back that had all those features. I did wax the seams and spray the whole thing with Scotch Guard. I've been able to stay dry in some very heavy storms. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 11:05 pm: |
|
Yep, just in Sam's Club over the weekend and saw the models of their tents. Pretty cool display. They also had a 5 piece cast iron cook set in a box for $35.00. Certainly not made in the USA, yet, good value for the bucks.
Jaime |
Joe
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 11:19 pm: |
|
Sus rei supports the sierra club. The sierra club does not respect your right to use public land. In California it seems like they are trying to shut down any area that allows ohv use. I used to ignore this, but not any more. I will pay a little more if it helps keep public land open. Choose to support who you wish. Put a sierra club sticker on your truck you will get a postive response on the trail. |
MR (Keebler)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 01:11 am: |
|
Want great prices?
http://www.sportsmansguide.com |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 09:01 am: |
|
i have a sierra club sticker on my truck and don't have any issues on the trail.
you might want to ask why they may be trying to close some of those trails down Joe. it's not just because they are just trying to be assholes. not everyone out there 'treads lightly'. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 09:41 am: |
|
Here is a bit of interesting reading. http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/06/24/wildfires.thinning.ap/index.html Yes GP, but, instead of activly going after the assholes that are trashing the trail they are just trying to shut it down all together which is BS because not every one out there is messing them up yet they want to keep every one out. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 09:53 am: |
|
very true eric. we all face this problem in every state for the most part. and not just with 4 wheeling......mt. biking, etc. it sucks, but if we are ALL going to use and share those trails we need to be more proactive about tending and caring for them for the future. that is one thing we do here in state college in the surrounding state forests. we have trail maintenence days for our mt. bike trails. we rotate the trails every few years to keep them from getting to eroded and install new water bars etc. to minimize our impact. if we were not doing this more and more trails would be shut down to riders because of the percieved attitudes we have about our land. it's worth it though......we have some of the best and most beautiful hiking/biking trails anywhere. the network we have is vast and has been working well for everyone for some time now and is literally at my doorstep.
we all need to do more if we want to keep using these trails......including myself.
then there is this article: http://www.sierraclub.com/currents/wildfires.asp
not saying this is fully what i believe, but just another side to it. believe what you want. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:03 am: |
|
GP, we do the same here for the trails in the GW-JNF. One of the clubs that I wheel with does regular trail clean ups, repairs, and also helps the forest service in keeping a look out and reporting people that are miss using the trails. My problem with the eco-nazis is that they just want every thing closed so that no one can use it. Hikers, bikers, wheelers, nobody.... Not trying to start an argument but, I bet that the club that I wheel with does more for keeping the GW&J NF cleaner then any of the eco-nazi clubs/org do. |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:12 am: |
|
Alright, I'm excited to get into this discussion!
Being an environmental biologist...I DEFINITELY support the Sierra Club and Rei, and I agree with their efforts to close access to some public lands. Since camping, hiking, biking, etc has become so popular and TRENDY, more and more people are using our trails and abusing them. The park maintenance workers are out there more and more trying to clean up after selfish people have their weekends of fun and disrespect the land while doing so. MOST people don't 'tread lightly'...on anything. Just look at a parking lot or a festival lawn after a concert. We have become a disposable society...everything is to be tossed after use, and that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to end up in a trash can or recycling bin. I will say, however, that more people seem to be recycling...it too has become trendy and I'm happy to see it, (in addition to the increase in city trash pick-up fees around here...). But nevertheless, our lands need time to heal and renew. Just like the ban on fishing in CA, we need to keep human intervention away from nature for a while. I will admit, I don't know the trail situation in CA, but I've read enough to have a good idea about the current environmental state of our entire country. As a whole, our society is greedy....just look around when you are driving on your freeways and public roads and remember what USED to be there!
We can all change things. I'm an environmentalist, yet I drive a gas guzzler. Granted, that is personal choice and some people may say I'm a hypocrit, but I drive only when I have to and try to walk to work everyday. It's all in moderation and respect. And speaking of stickers...you wouldn't believe the fun responses I got from my TREEHUGGER sticker on my old Explorer!
And GP-I don't just like your truck...I totally respect your views. State College is a gorgeous area, I was up there last October and really enjoyed the land. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:14 am: |
|
good to hear that you are all doing that and that really sucks that you are not getting good press for doing it. no one will ever be happy and i know and understand that the enviro people are hard to keep happy at times. i don't always support them that is for sure. i just try and walk the line and do what i think is right for the situation.......what i would like to do is not always what i will do. have to be realistic about things and skipping and jumping with daisies in my hair is not what always works for me. haha.
but really that is unfortunate that the work you are doing does not get the thumbs up from your local earth biscuits. at the very least you are doing what many are not willing to do and much credit goes to those like your group of folks. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:15 am: |
|
I don't believe most things that I read in news papers and news letters due to they are always someones opinions based on their view of the facts. You can have the same series of events happen but, if you have 5 different news people covering it you will get 5 different versions of those events based on how the 5 different people view them. So of course the logging industry is going to say more logging is good, and the tree huggers are going to say keeping people out is good, and every body else is going to say their way is the right way to do things. It's just the nature of people. Either way I don't give a crap. You want to be a member of the Sierra club I'm not going to hold it against you. You seemed pretty nice when I met you at Uwharrie. But, if some eco-nazi comes up to me while I'm busting my ass doing a repair on a trail or cleaning up trash on a hiking trail and tells me that I wouldn't have to be doing this if they closed the ORV trails I'm going to go after them. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:20 am: |
|
sus. will you marry me? lol.
here are a few i have. not on my truck......yet.
ps: eric......i dig what you are saying. all good. |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:22 am: |
|
Eric-you have a great point. There are extremes to every view and environmentalists often get crazy. That ELF group is one example...I want to take care of the land, but there is only so much we can do...the society that we have built is based largely on consumerism and marketing...and 'progress' (building) will always come through. Logging companies often win, but we don't need to burn down their offices to make a point! I'm like gp, I walk the line. I like off roading (the little that I've done) and if we think about, all driving used to be off-road! Too bad we started building roads, eh? But there are always people like a friend a knew once who try to drive through the woods at 50 miles and hour tearing up anything and everything just to be stupid. Those are the people that ruin it for everyone.
I say, if you are cleaning up a trail and someone complains...give them a piece of your mind. Atleast you are being responsible for your actions...tell them that! |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:23 am: |
|
Did you get them from the "Northern Sun" catalog Garrett? |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:24 am: |
|
no. they are from http://www.stickergiant.com
some good stuff there.
|
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:27 am: |
|
Cool, well look at www.northernsun.com. It's a "Catalog for progressives"..learned about it at my liberal woman's college! There are some extremes, but also some REALLY FUNNY STUFF! |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 11:35 am: |
|
I like the Urban Sprawl sticker about cutting down trees and naming streets after them!!
So, Garrett, when we meet in October at MAR we will have to compare stickers?! And I want to see this Cocker Spaniel on a shock collar(re: another thread)...that just makes me ANGRY! Glad to know LR Owners care about deep issues other than women and beer! LOL! |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 03:04 pm: |
|
no you have me all wrong. all i do care about is woman and beer. haha. oh......and land rovers. lol. i am not sure if our pals from the south will be there. but i would not mind using there hot shower running off the heat exchanger on their LR D110. but if they are i am sure i will have to keep my distance. they may have hired a body guard or something.
compare stickers? sure. this one is my favorite that i have.
 |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 03:08 pm: |
|
Just as I thought....you are typical. But that's okay!
Hmmm, a shower run from the heat exchange. Now there's an idea I hadn't had. I'm buying a camp shower this week for a vacation trip the b/f and I are taking...would be cool if I could run something like that!
Nice sticker by the way...but I need a male version of that one! |
Lance
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:00 pm: |
|
If you were stuck on the rubicon with a sierra club or tree hugger sticker your truck would probably become a new obstacle on the trail. |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 02:37 am: |
|
I realy hate to cut into such a sensitive discussion (especially one that hasn't turned volatile yet) but I must.
While I don't pretend to be a part of any group, liberal, or conservative, I do believe Sus is right about this.
Most people do not tread lightly, and while tearing up grass on a hill climb causes me to wince horribly, and quickly get out to repair it, it dosn't affect most off roaders at all.
These guys are man against nature types, they don't think about the damage they have caused. It never crosses their minds that the reason the trail is becoming more difficult is because they are abusing it.
I drive a Gas guzzeler, I deal in the oil industry, but I also care for the enviornment deeply. Theres nothing wrong with performance drivers enjoying their gas guzzeling sport. I only ask for people who don't partake of these activites to drive appropriate vehicles. Theres no excuse for the sunday school dad to drive an excursion, simply because he dosn't like minivans. Or some ding-bat that never races driving a Viper, remember, supercars are gas guzzelers too.
That is not the issue, though, the issue is responsible off roading. And that can only be achieved en masse by something larger than repairing our own trails.
The enemy is not Sierra club, it is we ourselves, for not policing up our neighbors.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 09:54 am: |
|
NICE JOB Kennith! You get Brownie points from me...and I don't think many people have read this one yet b/c of the title!!! It could volatile under..."let's close the roads" |
Douglas Jones (Ozaukeedoug)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:04 pm: |
|
I'm just amazed that no one has attacked my "tent checklist"! I thought that someone would at least say " No f-in' way, man! Aluminum poles suck!", or something to that effect. |
Sus (Susannah)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:18 pm: |
|
No attacking the list, you were right on the money. It does make a differnce to pay attention to the details. You can take a Wal-Mart tent and make it last a decent amount of time with some care, extra poles and seam sealer. It's not the same as the really tough expensive gear, but it's all in what you need. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:47 pm: |
|
Shesh, I suppose that you guys want to ban guns and kill all the Pittbulls too.. |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:53 pm: |
|
You are right about the thread Sus.
I signed on to help out with tents, but it seems that that has been pretty much handled.
I have been shopping at REI for years, it is one of the few places left that I can't leave without buying something. I am even a member of their dividend club.
Lands that have been abused need to be closed, it's the only way they will ever recover properly. The way to keep this from happening is not to fight, but to prevent it from the get go.
Preventing land closure dosn't just involve treating trails right, it involves creating an environment that is oppressive to those who don't. If each club took a few wheeling days off to campaign a little for Tread Lightly, passing out flyers, with cool pictures of responsible wheeling to catch attention, we might get somewhere.
I used to hang around some of the most chest thumping, beer drinking, wastful guys, but now they are converted. They convert others as well. The growth is exponential, we just have to be proactive in it's initiation.
Tread Lightly isn't just about trails, it's about life. It's how you treat the environment everywhere you go, from not throwing cigarette butts on the ground, to recycling what you can. It is an ideal that can be realized, we just have to make it so.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Lance
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 02:28 pm: |
|
The reason I think the sierra club is wrong is they just try and close it off to the public. Right now they are trying to shut down the whole El dorado Forest. I think education and enforcment are the ticket. Spend the weekend handing out info on treading lightly, packing your trash and such. Instead of that they just would like to close it. I think groups like corva and BlueRibbon Coalition are much better orginizations to support. I think forest rangers should be able to give out tickets for people who are not treading lightly, as far as I know they have to call in a sheriff. There are allways going to be morons, the rest of us should not have to sufffer. There are alot better ways of going about it then just closing the land. |
|
Closed: New threads not accepted on this page