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Author Message   dkatzen Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 09:12 am:    I know many of you have sponsors for your organized trips and expeditions...So how do you go about getting sponsors? What types of deals do you work out (free equipment, discounts, cash for sticker space, etc.)? I am going on the 2002 Border to Border expedition, and I am soliciting sponsorships. This trip will have along a dedicated camera crew, and there will likely be media coverage including magazines (off-road and Land Rover related) and video sales. There is even the possibly broadcast coverage, not to mention the tens of thousands of folks that will see the rig along the trek. Here is a list of possible sponsors for my rig (in random order): Bridgestone Amsoil Mobile 1 ARB Detroit Milemarker (yes, I'm going to be one of THOSE guys K unless Warn or Superwinch wants to donate to the cause) McGuire (gotta have a clean/waxed Disco) Cobra Firestick Lev-o-gage J Garmin Motorola Kyocera Delorme Rovertym OME and/or Rancho Tilley (as in hats and expedition clothing) Technitop or Maggliona (sp?) roof top tents Sears/Craftsman tools Jotto Desk (already said "no", so I am going to buy a competitor's product and probably place their sticker for free) All of the on-line Land Rover parts dealers Some long shots (Sony, Olympus, HP, Fuji, Kodak, Rayovac, Duracel, Energizer etc.) And many more that escape me at the moment. And here are some products that I would consider using if they became sponsors: Safari Gard Hi-Lift or Jack-All Hella Mantec (or other snorkle) Pelican containers etc. Thanks for any advice that you can offer. Dan Katzenberger 2001 Disco II SE7 Minneapolis, MN USA   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 09:21 am:    Dan, have you ever attempted to get sponsors in the past? if not i have some advice. mike w   Dan Katzenberger (Dkatzen) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 09:51 am:    No, this is all new to me. Many of the B2B participants have individual sponsors, and it was suggested that I try to get some as well. Thanks, Dan   Chris Dillard (Cdillard) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 09:54 am:    Shit man, I would even go on the B2B if I could get all that sponsorship and free shit for my truck just for one "expedition" LOL! ;-) Let me know how getting that kind of sponsorship works because I'm looking at putting an "expedition" group together to travel to the MAR this year! Chris   Toby M. Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 01:15 pm:    You asked for advice and my advice to you is this. Get a life you Loser. You have a vendetta against Jottodesk because they won't give you free products for a road trip across the USA? What does Jottodesk owe you? NOTHING! And you're even trying to get some free car wax while you're trying to get other free stuff? That's pathetic. Try buying the stuff you want instead of trying to milk it for free you leech. You won't even buy a lev-o-gauge? How cheap are you? You're pathetic. You're not even embarrassed about being a bloodsucking beggar and publicly asking for advice on how to get free shit. You have to be one of the biggest losers in the Land Rover community.   Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 01:48 pm:    That was downright harsh, man, You don't know that he is a leech. He may just have compiled a list of possible candidates, hoping at least three would be interested. It's not fair to jump on someone like that without at least exploring their motives. Cheers, Kennith   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:00 pm:    Dan, There already are sponsers for B2B: Jack Union Corp – Tech Support Rovers North – Parts & Accessories Discounts Expedition Exchange – Accessories Discounts SDB Creative Group Inc – Design, Promotion & Media Services Pixel Strategies – Web Services & Hosting Between RN and EE, the majority of your listed items can be obtained for less than what I would have to pay. Is this not sufficient sponsership? While Toby maybe a little harsh in his wording, agree with him that you're being a little too cheap to get prepared for basically just a road trip. From their site: "If you have a stock vehicle and are considering a Border To Border trip, the bottom line is buy a CB radio, a couple of jerry cans, and have a rear recovery point on your truck. That's a great start to join in the fun." Sounds like a trip to the local park. Jaime   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:19 pm:    Or take a Mazda and get better mileage... Kyle   Dan Katzenberger (Dkatzen) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:20 pm:    Thanks Toby for your opinions and insights. You are obviously a very intelligent and well-bred person, and I value your input. FYI, I'm not asking for anything for free. Not that it matters, but most of the stuff on my list is stuff that I already purchased, and the rest is on my "to-do" list. I came up with that list because that is the equipment that I will be using on the expedition, and therefore every one of those items are potential sponsorships. What I'm asking for is sponsorship in exchange for advertisement. This might take the form of companies that are willing to pay for advertisements, e.g, stickers on my vehicle. I have no obligation to put stickers on my vehicle, but I am willing to do so if someone will pay me to rent the space. They can pay me in many ways, for example, cash, discounts on their equipment, or donations of equipment. When my vehicle is featured on-line, in magazines articles and photos, and on television, those stickers are in full view and advertise for those products. The goal for the advertiser is to convince people to buy their product. I believe that this form of sponsorship has been around for at least fifty years, and I'm guessing that it will be around for quite some time to come. Here's a question for you: Did you know that Anheuser-Busch was a major sponsor of Steve Fossett's recent around-the-world balloon flight? Since he accepted advertisement for his trip, do you consider Steve Fosset to be a "Loser," "pathetic," "leech," "cheap," "pathetic," (again) "bloodsucking beggar," or "one of the biggest losers?" You might want to look up sponsorship and/or advertising in the dictionary, people do it all the time, especially here in the USA. If I am a loser and a leach, I feel terrible for people involved in most sports. Think how pathetic professional auto racers are with all of those stickers on their vehicles. Furthermore, what's wrong with me going after a competing sponsor? I offered Jotto Desk the opportunity to sponsor my vehicle, and they declined. They have sponsored individuals in the past. See: http://www.rovertym.com/wheeling/mar2001/D20147.jpg for an example. Gamber-Johnson makes very nice laptop mounts, and is a competitor to Jotto Desk. What is wrong with me choosing Gamber-Johnson if Jotto Desk doesn't want to sponsor me? I have no "vendetta" against Jotto Desk, and I'm sure that they make wonderful products; but they are not interested in my endorsement, and I accept that and will move on. I apologize if any of my statements offended you because not offending you was my top priority when I was composing my original post. Please forgive me. For those of you that have had sponsors in the past, or know of companies that routinely sponsor expeditions such as Border to Border, I ask that you share your knowledge of such matters with me if you are so inclined. Thank you, Dan Katzenberger 2001 Disco II SE7 Minneapolis, MN USA   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:21 pm:    Or a Subaru..... -L   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:23 pm:    PS: That was in response to Kyle, BTW.... Nothing at all directed at you, Dan... FWIW... -L   Dan Katzenberger (Dkatzen) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:32 pm:    Yes, I am aware of the official sponsors of the entire B2B event, and I have already used my discount to purchase some items. In exchange for that discount (10% in one case, which amounted to about US$19.50), I will be displaying advertisements from those sponsors on my vehicle throughout the trip. I have been told that most B2B Land Rovers have some form of individual sponsorship, and I have secured some of my own sponsors already. What I am looking for is a way to promote those products that I will be using on the expedition in exchange for small sponsorships in any form. It's not like I'm asking for a million dollars, for someone to pay for my entire trip, or for a free bumper (which has been done in the past, BTW). I'm just looking to help companies increase their product recognition for a very small sponsorship fee. If you don't like the fact that companies are willing to do this, and that it is good for both the company and me, then I'm sorry; but this is really how things are done. Thanks again, Dan Katzenberger 2001 Disco II SE7 Minneapolis, MN USA   Buckaroo (Buckaroo) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:33 pm:    He didn't say he's *only* trying to get free stuff. The guy's never done this before...I'm sure he'll soon realize that it's not as easy as it sounds. Sure the idea sounds great to the inexperienced- get companies to give you equipment either for free, or a reduced price and you'll slap a sticker on your car...mobile billboard. If it were that easy we'd all be planning "expeditions". But there's no need to be an ass to him about it.   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:37 pm:    "For those of you that have had sponsors in the past, or know of companies that routinely sponsor expeditions such as Border to Border, I ask that you share your knowledge of such matters with me if you are so inclined." Dan, The sponsers are already on the site: http://www.bordertoborder.com/b2b/adv-ta02.html Scroll down page and see listing called "Sponsers". Can u hear me now? Jaime   Garrett Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 02:46 pm:    So your a Steve Fosset now and you deserve sponsorship because your driving a Land Rover to Canada? Get real. Hundred if not thousands of people do that every year in their Mazdas. How many people fly around the world in a balloon? You ARE a loser.   Dan Katzenberger (Dkatzen) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 03:00 pm:    No, just a much smaller winner! Steve Fosset - 1 million from A-B. People that see/read/hear of advertisement, maybe 1 billion. Cost per advertising impression, US$0.001 each. Dan Katzenberger - $25.00 from anyone. People that see advertisement, maybe 5,000. Cost per advertising impression, US$0.005 each. So, I'm more expensive on a per consumer basis, but that's in part due to the economy of scale. I'm guessing that's one reason why you don't see any of the sponsors on my list also on Steve Fosset's list. Why are you people getting so upset? Did I somehow hurt you with my questions? Thanks, Dan Katzenberger 2001 Disco II SE7 Minneapolis, MN USA   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 03:10 pm:    dan, i dont' think anyone here is upset with you. just pointing out facts.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 03:14 pm:    Dan its the nature of the beast here , you get the good the bad and the ugly. The B2B being just a cross country road trip doesnt help much as the trip can be done in Les's Scoobydoo. Keep slugging it out man,,,, Kyle   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 03:24 pm:    Quote: Did you know that Anheuser-Busch was a major sponsor of Steve Fossett's recent around-the-world balloon flight? great, now all the people floating aimlessly in the wide open ocean have seen ads for crappy beer.   Donald Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 03:42 pm:    "When my vehicle is featured on-line, in magazines articles and photos, and on television, those stickers are in full view and advertise for those products." Do you really believe this part of it? You are reeally expecting your truck to be featured in all the venues you listed. I went to the B2B site and even on their site there is nary a picture, sponser plug,sticker picture, etc. I have never seen anything on TV or mag articles with trucks featured with all the "space paid for by sponsers" shown. You are selling a lame duck.   Garrett Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 03:46 pm:    Maybe the Discoweb team could give Dan the Back East Video, Moab Video, both sets of the Discoweb decals, and a KVT bumper if Dan were willing to put the Discoweb decals on his truck during the B2B expedition? Not trying rape anyone here, just looking for a fair deal for everyone involved.   pwp Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 04:09 pm:    Dan getting sponsors is never a easy task, they usually want more payoff (advertisment) than a one time trip. But don't let that discourage you. The absolute worst thing that can happen is that they decline. On the postitive side they may offer you a product, even if not free but at a resonable discount. My advice is that you present yourself as profesional as possible. A write up on the event you are going to attend, as well as the target audiance for such an event and what impact it would (or could) have on them or thier product. I would also try to keep it realative to the event (offroad or automotive stuff) I don't think any major beer company would even blink. Sound corny and hard to do, it is ! Bottom line sell yourself, sound cheap ? it is. But thats what is involed. Don't give up when a door is slammed in your face, because the next one will be too, and the next........actually alot will. Don't even let it phase you, move on to the next, also never burn a bridge behind you, and don't badmouth anyone who has declined you, you never know how or when your path will cross. As for critics, blah blah blah, every body has them. Nobody is a loser for trying something, especialy when it "reduces overhead" or out of pocket expense to obtain a specific result. Hmmm thats sounds like a pretty basic buisness plan. I wonder if Steve Fossett would agree.....Naaaaa he probably just got he money by following a rainbow. Good Luck Dan Peter   Vender Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 04:47 pm:    A venders view.... Twice this vender has "sponsered" a vehicle in an "event". Not for the possible monotary or advertising gains, but for just being a good guy and helping out someone who sold themself, and just for the love of the sport. The sponsered trucks got what they wanted at quite the bargin. The pay back to the vender was simple information on who's in the events to publicise the people and the event, and pictures of the event to really create interest in the event. Sorry to say that simple a requirement for the sponsership was not met by the people involved. Bottom line is sponsership to probably many venders creates that sour taste to the next guy asking for the same favors. Also it's hard to imagine that a sticker placed on a sponsered truck will gain more notice driving down Rt 66 than the several thousand stickers all ready out there. Sponsership in this niche market is really more of a favor to the sport than possible gains as we never make Peterson's Offroad 4x4 magazines. The people make this niche market what it is because we get to know all the people thru the BB's. So bottom line from a venders point of view sponsership is a good cause with good people you know these days, not much more   Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 04:57 pm:    Hey Vender... you can't spell for shit! -glenn   brian kluge Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 05:00 pm:    DiscoWeb Team: I have had 2 DiscoWeb stickers on my vehicle since late '99. Using Cheapo Katzenberger's ratio - I believe you either owe me $5,000 or 250.6 DiscoWeb videos. Plz send ASAP. And Dan, if you compare yourself to Steve Fossett one more time I'm going to drive over there and give you the bitch-slap you deserve. Although your Neopolean Complex is rather endearing. IT'S THE B TO B FOR GOD'S SAKE! ROFLMFAO Sheesh, Minnesotans Brian Milwaukee, WI   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 05:09 pm:    I have a DiscoWeb tattoo. My accountant will be calling you, Ho.   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 05:26 pm:    Dear Dick Yuengling, I am writing in request for sponsorship aid in enduring the entire July 4th Weekend Bar-b-que event. If you chose to sponsor me with copius amounts of your quality beverage; I promise to put your stickers on my Couch and Garage Door. Out of this, I get a quality beverage; You get exposure to millions of folks who pass by my little NC subdivision every hour. Thanks for you support, Paul D. Morgan   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 06:11 pm:    LOL! "Will have along a dedicated camera crew", what is that eactly? A girlfriend with a camera?   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 06:41 pm:    Dan, Drop me a line offline and I'll let you know what I've been doing with respect to sponsors for TA02. The Border to Border BBS may be a better place to get balanced feedback. Neal, The camera crew consists of two vehicles, four crew, my Discovery 1 and a D110 with the following kit: DSR500WSL DVCam 16:9 Digital Camera Sony PD150 MiniDV Camcorder (2) Sony VX2000 MiniDV Camcorder (2) Sony lipstick camera package / switcher / Sony clamshell Losmandy PortaJib Wireless Audio Package Lowel Totalite Lighting Package Sony will not be getting any product placement on my vehicle, and my wife will be staying home with the kids. Cheers, Erik   Dan Katzenberger (Dkatzen) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 06:56 pm:    Actually, the camera crew will look something like this (various paraphrased excerpts from the B2B discussion board): ================== Two LRs equipped as film vehicles for the duration of the trek. A Sony DSR500WSL DVCam 16:9 camera as the primary unit with Fujinon zoom. A Losmandy PortaJib will be utilized from a custom roof-rack for overhead crane work. An additional PD150 will fly on a X/Y axis aluminum LiteJib for quick shots in lower resolution. Additional Sony lipstick cameras and VX2000 camera(s) will ride along for in-car pick up shots B2B will be producing a video (and most likely special edition DVD) that will be sold directly online and supplied to vendors and mail order companies such as Land Rover Owner Intl. store. B2B will also endeavour to have this production broadcast across the USA/Canada, and possibly worldwide. B2B will also be shooting stills and writing, to make a series of articles that may appeal to LR/4x4 mags, in addition to adventure travel publications. Press releases will be sent out prior to event to aforementioned publications, using images they have aquired on previous trips. So, all in all, the media coverage could be quite prominent. Previous years have seen up to 8-page photo stories in LR publications, and this being the fifth year of TA, should create even more interest than previous years. ================== In addition, I will be bringing along my own Sony PD-150 and associated Neumann and Sennheiser microphones, and an Olympus E-10 (and/or E-20) digital still camera with all available accessories. I think some of you underestimate the quality of the B2B trips as well as the difficulty of the terrain. Dan Katzenberger 2001 Disco II SE7 Minneapolis, MN USA   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 07:13 pm:    No Dan , I for one dont underestimate it... Its puts off the vibe thats its a bunch of overly wealthy bastards that have never seen off pavement driving in any form so they are quite impressed with it.. One of my running partners ran one... He kinda has the same impression.. A nice road trip though , I gotta admit that... Kyle   Toby M. Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 07:16 pm:    Gosh all of that camera equipment to film a bunch of Land Rovers hit the highway? You can list all of camera equipment you want but your still not going to get a free Jottodesk or HiLift Jack or car wax. And the fact remains your still going on a road trip isn't comparable to floating around the world in a balloon and you're a Loser for thinking you compare to a true explorer. I can just imagine you telling your wife before you leave "honey tell the kids I love them because I might not make it back from this trip." Gimme a fucking break. And don't try to change the subject from you trying to get free shit to the cameras on the B2B trip. Let's stick to the subject of you being a cheap ass loser who is bitter because Jottodesk wouldn't give him stuff for free.   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 07:26 pm:    geez what a horse's ass...toby i believe the losers the guy you see in the mirror...dan, when i was racing i sought sponsors and support and the best advice i can give you is to write a resume', outlining what you can give them for what they will give you. flood the market with you and somebody will respond. be grateful and follow up with them so they know they didnt waste their money. dont be afraid to ask for specific items. hell nothing ventured nothing gain. if you dont get all you need then its time to hit the bank account. mike w   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 07:33 pm:    Well I aitn big on sponsorship crap Mike. And the Racing game is not really compareable to this market. They are using land Rovers and want sponsorship from companies that sell off road equipment. And they are going on a road trip. You getting me here? Is that where you want your billy bad ass off road product shown off? Kyle   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 07:51 pm:    LOL kyle, funny part is, EE is no longer sponsor of B2B or TA02. so scratch EE from that long ass list of sponsors.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 08:00 pm:    I didnt see it there , where was it ? What did I miss ? You were gonna Sponsor the dirt road Safari ???? Damn man.. Kyle   Dan Katzenberger (Dkatzen) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 08:17 pm:    I'm sorry to hear that Ho. So, I don't suppose you would want to... ;*) Nah, I didn't think so. ...um, do you want your $19.50 back? Dan Katzenberger 2001 Disco II SE7 Minneapolis, MN USA   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 08:20 pm:    19.50 ??? LOL nah, just get yourself a bud lite. have a safe trip and smile for the camera.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 08:30 pm:    There are also a few "Journalists" that go around with a hand out.... That whole thing just smells bad. If you are going on a trip then go.. Kyle   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 08:37 pm:    By the way , I am going to work in the AM and I will pass tens of thousands of people. Anyone wanna sponsor me for my ride in ? May as well get some free shit on my commute.... Kyle   Dan Katzenberger (Dkatzen) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 08:45 pm:    Hey, B2B did the Rubicon in 2001. And this year, we'll be spending at least two days in Moab (Poison Spider Mesa Trail, Golden Spike Trail, Gold Bar Rim Trail, Gemini Bridges Trail.) I know I've seen some of those trails somewhere before....on a Discovery related video I think. And in '98 they lost a Land Rover to the river...water was up to the roof. That doesn't sound like dirt road driving to me. It doesn't really matter, though, I suppose. B2B members have gotten sponsors in past years, and I'll get my sponsors as well. I didn't know there are people so passionately against sponsorship on this list, otherwise, I wouldn't have troubled you. I do appreciate those that have e-mailed me privately and those that posted constructive comments here. Thanks, Dan Katzenberger 2001 Disco II SE7 Minneapolis, MN USA   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 08:54 pm:    As I recall Dan most of the trucks dropped out at the Rubi. And yes we ran those trails and I ran even further , CST2CST in fact. We also werent pan handleing for things.... Kyle   John Lee Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 08:57 pm:    Dan, Keep the $19.50. You can use that toward that Lev-O-Gauge you've always longed for but couldn't bring yourself to buy.   Jeff Anderson (Groovydude) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 09:44 pm:    OK Guys. I`m going to take my D2 and Climb MT. Everest (sp) in it. I will be the first person ever to Wheel to the top of the tallest mountian in the world. Now i`m looking for a few sponsors so I can turn my Disco into UBER DISCO with all the newest bad ass Off road parts and shit out there. Now For a Free Chrome Plated KVT i`ll slap on a Disco Web sticker and for alot of the cool shit EE sells i`ll slap on a EE sticker, or i`ll charge you 100 dollars per Air time second your stickers are displayed on TV (i`m sure there will be alot of coverage). Also for a few extra things i`ll admit on the air and TV that i learned all my off road skill by watching the Disco Web videos and will mention John, Ho, Kyle and Axles names LIVE on the air and on TV. So do we got a deal.   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 09:48 pm:    did i miss something? mike w   Jeff Anderson (Groovydude) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 10:01 pm:    Sorry just a little spoof on the sponsorship thing.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 10:08 pm:    I also have to agree with "Vender". And I like his spelling style as well., You can tell the man has better things on his mind then spelling.... believe it or not people THERE ARE more important things.... Kyle   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 11:02 pm:    I think I'm not really understanding the hostility here - is it okay for some folks on this site to have a business based on Land Rover related products and services but not others? I paid full price for the products I have on my vehicle from EE and subsequently put their sticker on my truck. As a habit, I don't wear big swooshes or dynamic ribbons on my person, because those companies don't need me advertising for them when they can afford Michael or Britney. I put the EE stickers on my truck because I figured that these guys have given me good advice and support and provide excellent product for the price - perhaps they'll get one more sale from my having their logo on my truck? I would only hope. In seeking my sponsors, I went directly to manufacturers for product, not distributors, who have only hairline margins to begin with. I didn't contact RTE or Rockware, two companies who have products I need - and will eventually purchase. By chance and circumstance, I've never done business with either before, so asking for complimentary product just didn't seem right to me. The truth is, I've had very little time with my Land Rover - and even less money at hand to secure the kit I wanted for this event, so I decided to ask some key manufacturers for product-in-trade for brand placement during the event. You can say what you want about solicitation for product or sponsorship to subsidize a trip, but why the hostility towards an event that uses Land Rovers for something more than running to the store? If only four Defenders chose to run the Rubicon in 2000 while the rest of the participants ran the Northern California coast - who cares? I don't foresee running Lion's Back in my Discovery - so what? Maybe Dan should have stopped short of the Lev-O-Gage, but really! Just my $.018 e   anti-kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2002 - 11:58 pm:    hey Kyle has piped in with more of his anti-everything advise. gotta love him.   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 01:32 am:    I used to work for a major bicycle company and sponsored a mountain bike team in Texas. These guys were typically racing as Expert Class and Pro-Elite. They trained thier asses off 4-8 hours a day just to hang in a sub-pro group. They were all top notch in thier respective race classes. What did I give them? I let them six of them ride a $2500 bike in 10 races and gave them an option to buy it for a grand at the end of the season. My landed cost on each bike was $1200 or so. I also supported them in races and paid thier entrance fees and gas if they placed top 10. Jersey and shorts too. I probaly recieved over 100 resumes that season from other great racers. I could not help them. Why? No money. The payback from sponsorship is hard to figure at best. When you sponsor in such a small market the results are almost nil. Why again? Because everyone already knows what is available in that market. The reality is that you have to work your ass off to get sponsors and you have to do something that is of value. Sponsorship money is rarely given because the sponsors are nice. This is a business word and one that is tough right now at best. If your resume were on my desk for this event (and I had a product for this market) it would quickly be shoved into the garbage. No insult here...just reality Curtis   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 08:43 am:    Well it reminds me of the guy on the corner holding a Dixie cup in his hand.. We have all seen pan handlers and ignored them. Why should this be treated any differently ? We asked for vendors to donate goods one time here for the site and they did. We didnt want the items for ourselves though , we gave them away.... We have also promoted vendors here on the site (Sorry boys but more exposure then B2B will get) simply because we liked them and what we thought they could bring to all of you. To each his own I guess but I have to wonder if they guy that is running B2B is thinking at all about how it makes them all look..... Kyle   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 09:24 am:    actually pan handlers count towards my cash deductible contributions each year. is B2B a non-profit org.? Jaime   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 10:12 am:    John Lee.. did you deB2Bify your truck? rd   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 10:43 am:    Nothing personal Dan, but your "list of possible sponsors" read like a list out of the yellow pages from the "4x4" section. Also, the statement "And here are some products that I would consider using if they became sponsors:" really makes it sound like you're trolling for free stuff. This can be a rough crowd (what else is there to do all day on your coffee breaks?) - don't let it get to you. You really have to beat the pavement if you want any kind of sponsorship that really means anything. I've gone after sponsorship too (mtn bike racing), and I got stuff like paid entry fees and gas compensation to races. That really helped, and it meant something big, but I knew I wasn't getting any free bikes or rims or cranks or anything juicy like that.   John Lee Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 12:46 pm:    "John Lee.. did you deB2Bify your truck?" Yes. Ho already changed my Discoweb gallery at my request. The EE site will change as time allows.   mongo Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 01:17 pm:    damn this is tough crowd... Frank   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 01:28 pm:    welcome to the Earth...   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 02:13 pm:    Frank, Send me an email? Cheers, e   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 04:31 pm:    This is the way to get your Business on the map a picture is worth a thousand sponsorships. Way to go EE   Kai Dussling (Kai) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 04:42 pm:    Interesting thread!.....but I think Dan is outta here. BTW Dan, is there a Discoweb sticker on your truck?   Michel Findlay (Michel) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 04:48 pm:    Dee, how do you think that stiker got in the magazine? Say what you want, but B2B gets in the big mags, and if your sticker is on and your product, people see it, lust for it. Not rocket science. Michel   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 05:01 pm:    "" Yes. Ho already changed my Discoweb gallery at my request. The EE site will change as time allows. "" nice, it was too posuer looking with the numbers, and 100% unstealthy in my opinion. rd   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 05:14 pm:    I was not knocking B2B just stating what a great break for EE getting the Milk in the mag   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 05:41 pm:    Now Findlay , you know better then that... Kyle   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 05:41 pm:    Agree with you Michel in general, yet, as was pointed out earlier, LRs are a niche market. My guess is the people who want to upgrade their LRs for some hard use are going to do some reseach. This site certainly is an example. As is EE. Seeing something just cruising by on a highway may look cool to some, however, for those that will actually buy/use the stuff - don't think it will have much impact in the decision process if they see a manufacture sticker. imho Jaime   Michel Findlay (Michel) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 06:55 pm:    And the research they do will include buying every damn LR mag out there at 10$ a pop. And what will they see in there? Tons of european products...and an article about some north americans taking a 2 week rover trip accross the states with some ... US companies that make shit for the rover. Then they will try to get more info on those companies and try to figure out what they can get, and eventually find this site and sift through the bullshit. :-) Michel   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 07:14 pm:    If you are still here Dan I will send you a free "Ain't Skeered" sticker if you actually keep it on your truck for the whole trip.   dkatzen Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 07:35 pm:    I'm here, but I'm not up on my "Ain't Skeered" etiquette. What is it, exactly? A quick search on Google turns up a dance, a Confederate bumper sticker, a firefighter T-shirt, a Daytona Beach dart league, and much much more. I can guess that it is slang for "am not scared," as in, "I ain't skeered of anything." Am I close? If we're going to do this deal, we'd better keep it quiet so as not to upset anyone here. Bwahaha Ain't skeered, •••••• Dan ••••••   Dee Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 07:48 pm:    Dan email me of line drcantrell@cox.net   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 07:54 pm:    Oh shit , Dee is backing him... And Findlay , bullshit , maybe in another life... We live in the age of technology.....Do a simple pole and ask people how many have come ehre after seeing a Discoweb sticker on a truck. I doubt its many at all if any Kyle   grant Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 10:31 pm:    hey , i stuck an Atlantic british sticker on my truck to keep some of the pin striping from peeling off, and it was handy. hello Michel. I would rather paste stickers of places I have been or other clubs i have travelled/communicated with, with reminds me that i still have to send the evelope with $2 in it to BC rovers!!   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 10:45 pm:    Yeah, you got it Dan. You usually see them on jacked up chevys and fords with 44 inch tires and chrome roll bars.   Bill Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 01:27 am:    Dan, here is another bit of useful info. They are 'The Turtle Expedition'. They have travelled throughout the world. Some offroad and some on road. They were recently in Four Wheeler mag with their new Ford truck. They started back in the late sixties (I think), driving a Series III 109. They continually get sponsors for any trip they are going on. I think their website is www.turtleexpedition.com but not sure. On another note, we have sponsors every year for our club events. It gets to the point now where we don't even have to ask, several sponsors call us to see what we want. It is possible. You just have to know what to say and who to say it too. Good luck. Bill   KJ Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 01:56 am:    I saw the DUMBEST thing today, speaking of impossibly jacked-up trucks. Bank drive up window, so the cool factor was automatically lowered, the truck must have had 2 feet of lift (I know it couldn't have, but it was STOOPID high), HUGE tires, and the front diff was about six inches off the ground! It was just the most useless looking thing. Karen   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 01:44 pm:    i see alot of that crap here to Karen...44"s, 12 inches of lift, forty dozen shocks, and an exhaust outlet high enuff to blow your hat off your head. the funny thing is that they all look alike, but they all take time to drool when they see my LR. mike w ps not a brag just a fact   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 02:30 pm:    This is a nice collection of Ain't Skeereds here: http://www.johnsons.4wdriver.com/photo.html   KJ Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 11:32 pm:    Carter, that site is really.....baffling? Mike, I had to laugh at myself looking at that truck and wondering if he'd LOWERED his front diff! LOL! Guess it was the Xtreeme nature of the lift, but it had me wondering for a minute, LOL! Karen   Jeff Anderson (Groovydude) Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 11:48 pm:    KJ, the only lift that one truck had was like a 2 foot Body lift..eheheh, so the diffs never left there stock position..kinda a waste if you ask me. Supidest shit i`ve seen yet was a f-250 JACKED up like 2 foot but had them real small ass pimp tires on it..I had to honk at him as I passed and laughed my ass off while pointing at him.   Markd1x2 (Markd1x2) Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 04:55 am:    May I put a MOAB sticker on my D1 if I have been there and only driven up Hurrah Pass in a rented Mitsubishi "Sport" instead of my D1... which I left on the East coast during my vacation ? It pains me to admit that I even drove a MitsuSport... We put over 3.1K miles on it in two weeks... it overheated going up Pikes Peak but it did better than the new Ford Expedition we saw there with its hood open waiting for help. I would not recommend the MitsuSport to anyone unless they wanted fairly good gas mileage while doing lite-offroading. Please forgive me for I have sinned.... but I still want permission to put the MOAB sticker on my D1.... pleeeeeease ! mark   Greg P. (Gparrish) Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 05:25 pm:    I'll take a sponsership for free beer tonight as I'm sure many people will see me holding up a bottle that says Coors Light on it...... any takers?   Douglas Jones (Ozaukeedoug) Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:58 am:    Coors Light is not beer! Doug, the beer snob.   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 09:43 am:    Yeah, I have a hard time paying for canned water. Greg, it's time for you to re-evaluate your social stature and move on to bottles of a more amber beverage. Paul   Ron Posted on Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:17 pm:    I will give you $20 if you place a sticker of my choice on your rig on the door immediately below the driver's window. I am thinking of my favorite overdrive manufacturer. Let me know if you are interested. B2B is just about people with too much time and money and not enough skill. Ron On a side note, if anyone knows how to reproduce stickers please email me. I have a 70s vintage land rover related sticker I want to reproduce.   Kyle Posted on Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:50 pm:    Its fairly easy Ron , just scan it and clean it up if need be. Then send it to a shop to get printed.... Kyle   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:11 am:    I think you can get adhesive sheets at Staples or Walmart if you are going to do small quanities.   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:30 am:    Weighing in very late, but weighing in all the same. First off, I have tried to obtain sponsorships for a local music festival two friends of mine and I put on each year (until we lose ALL of our money doing it). It is not easy and very disheartening when folks you have done business with for years (giving them your money) won't sponsor your show where you're using their stuff you paid big bucks for. Even worse when you see the same guy has bought a new bill board on the main drag of town. Now, to mildly slam Dan, if you can afford Neumanns and Sennheisers, do you really need sponsors? Which Neumanns and Sennheisers do you have? For those of you who don't know, Neumann microphones are probably the most expensive (and highest quality) microphones produced anywhere, bar none! Paul   mustache Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:49 am:    I like the Telefunken U47.   Chris Dillard (Cdillard) Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:27 pm:    Ron, You may want to try www.stickerguy.com I had some stickers made up recently (using adobe photoshop) from a graphic that I created and they came out great. I think that is was like $35 for 250 of them. Good work and quick turnaround. You can upload directly at his site. Chris