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Ron Ward (Ronward)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 09:13 am: | 
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New issue of Road & Track showed up in the mailbox yesterday. Short "First Drive" article about the new offering from Hummer. They tested it in Moab and include a couple good pix. Anyone seen one of these up close? Could be a great unit for the $45,000 pricetag. Any thoughts?
Ron Ward |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 09:18 am: |
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i would pass on that buy...the new hummer is nothing more than a than a gmc truck with nice bodywork. if you have that kind of cash to spend buy a D110.
mike w |
Marc
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 09:18 am: |
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Man, that thing is as fugly and cheesy looking as anything I have seen in my entire life. It is a pimp-mobile. |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 09:18 am: |
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Ugh - saw the first one on the road on the way home yesterday - IMO - goddam ugly. I was thinking that there was no way they'd sell any of them, but then remembered the Avalanche which seem to be selling well (???????)
Sorry if you like it - but in person it was not a pretty sight.
Bill |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 09:45 am: |
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ok i was trying to be nice, its a gmc truck with ugly bodywork....maybe a surplus H1 would be better!
mike w |
Ron Ward (Ronward)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 09:56 am: |
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The press shots make it look pretty beefy. I like the locking diffs and standard underbody protection, and styling. I wonder if the interior is functional, or plush like my wife's Yukon.
Ron W |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 12:32 pm: |
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i kinda dig that robo cop look.  |
Douglas Jones (Ozaukeedoug)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 12:37 pm: |
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It does have some nice features that I wish my Disco had. Push button locking rear diff, standard recovery points, front and rear hitch receivers, full skid plates and sliders. If it just wasn't so damned ugly.
From USAToday: "About 800 to 1,200 Hummer H1s are sold each year. GM plans to sell 30,000 or so H2s a year." |
brian kluge
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 01:26 pm: |
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I saw one parked on the streets of Milwaukee this past weekend and stopped to take a look.
one word came to mind... P-L-A-S-T-I-C. And it's still too darn wide for real-world use. But if it was made out of sheetmetal and not on a Chevy Suburban platform I wouldn't mind buying one... if the price came down $15K. GMC's margin on this product has got be mind boggling.
They're building a new Hummer dealership here in Milwaukee. During the construction I seriously thought they were building a large high school gynasium until I saw the sign go up. The place is absolutely huge. It'll put the LR Centres to shame. I can't wait for that open house.
Bri |
Bryan Crosby (Bcroz)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 01:29 pm: |
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Just went to the Hummer web site (www.hummer.com). Pretty good web site. Anyway, exterior looks kind of boxey and suspiously there are not any really good shots of the interior. Guess I'll have to wait and see one in person before I totally toss my cookies, but seems to me, given the clean slate to build a new vehicle, I could have come up with something that looks a little more appealing than it does. In a nut shell, I'll keep my disco. |
Andy
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 02:06 pm: |
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I got my car and driver yesterday and they reviewed it also. They seemed to like it. My problem is; it a damn school bus! They said it's long then the H1, higher than a H1. But it is narrower by something like 7.5". Also only 10" ground clearence, 6" less than the h1. Although it has good approach and departure angles its probably to big for lots of off road trails. Get one of those VW Touareg get front and rear lockers, and more ground clearence and just as much plastic.
My $0.02 Andy |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 02:33 pm: |
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I saw one at the dealer caddy dealership didn't stop to look at it but, looked like crap parked next to the other older hummers.. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 03:09 pm: |
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de-engineering, it's the American way |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 03:49 pm: |
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The new range rover has a better ramp angle,
That's allways been a weakness of HMMWVs. They have these prodigal approach and departure angles, with a sucky ramp angle. I've never hung one up, but almost every one else in my unit has.
Another problem is one they have fixed, no wheel articulation. The H2 seems to have pleanty. Also the H1 only had all wheel drive with a locking center diff. Kind of like a glorified subaru.
If you take the body off of an H1 and look at what you have...
You see a desert dune buggy. The frame is only about 3' wide, and the suspension on the front is angled forward, the rear backward. The wheels sit about 2 1/2' from the frame. Speaking of the frame, it's not quite as robust as the LRs.
Even I drool over the styling, I won't lie. But when I had the choice of a 1996 Hummer double cab in silver, or my current discovery, the choice was clear. I would make the same decision today with the H2.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Doug W
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 04:14 pm: |
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My neighbor is a electrical engineer for AMGeneral and he has occasionally brought the H2 home for about 6 months now. Personally I like the H1 because its built for hard use like a farm tractor. Even after they put a plush interior in it, it still has a foundation that is purposeful. Its a rolling brick sth!t house. However that is the downfall with the 90% of the people that own them. My neighbor said that most of the hummers are sold by the original owners with in one year of ownership. After the novelty of owning a Hummer wares thin they just become a pain to drive. There big and cumbersome and not the vehicle you would choose to run up to the store to pick up that one thing you forgot.
The H2 is built for that Doc or lawyer that wants the big ego truck but doesn't want to feel like he is driving a school bus. The H2 is really nice and they sell the crap out of them but its not a Hummer.
My .02
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Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 05:42 pm: |
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"Its a rolling brick sth!t house"
Maby a sh!tty rolling house. The reliability sucks. We baby our HMMWVs in the ARMY, and they don't get the crap beat out of them like my Disco does.
Come 20,000 miles though, the HMMWVs are about ready for replacement, because they start $100ing the ARMY to death. My disco has 21,000 brutal miles on it, and the only thing that ever went wrong is #7 spark plug wire.
We have one brave HMMWV that has 40,000 miles on it, and it just sort of sits there. The engine is dead, the front suspension collapsed, happened on a highway while merging.
We recently had a 6 month mission, simply driving around a secured facility, and 4 had to be towed off site.
Brick sh!t house indeed!
Cheers,
Kennith |
Andy
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 07:31 pm: |
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I'm pretty sure that the novelity of a "hummer" will never wear off ... maybe an AMGeneral one, but ... |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 10:11 pm: |
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I saw an H2 on the road in WV a few months ago with Michigan tags. It wasn't bad looking going the other way at 45mph but from what I've seen since it's too long to real use off road. I think the 130" wheel base and the cheap plastic wanna be plush interior is a give away to what it really is. Just another big GM with a stupid skid plate with H2 stamped on it. If they made a SWB version maybe it wouldn't be so bad. It will be interesting to see how it sells after it's second year. My guess it will do as well as the PT Cruiser at a $45k scale. |
Jay Hobbs (Jayxd)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 10:52 pm: |
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The H2 is one ugly ride. It might have some cool aspects and gadgettes (if you can get the stuff once it comes out) but it is way too shiney for me.
I remember reading about the original Hummer when it first hit the civilian market (still have a sales pamphlet somewhere) and they boasted that the military had a requirement they they needed to last a minimum of 10 years - doesn't look like they are living up to that. |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 01:33 pm: |
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That is an ugly ass truck. It looks like a Ford Exploror and a Jeep had a fat baby. |
Andy Nichols
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 05:48 pm: |
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FWIW - had one next door (a GM Truck engineering guy) so we had a good look. The main thing was that it's just a poxy pickup truck chassis, sway bars and all. The fitting of brake lines etc is just plain pathetic - an amateur could do better. The Wallstreet Journal did a piece on Bob Lutz and said he ordered GM to fit bigger wheels and tires (from the options list) as standard - what a joke! The thing rates up there with Lincoln Blackwood/Caddy Escalade bullshit posseur pick-em-up trucks. As for the R & T folks, what do they know about these things - didn't they rate the Xterra as truck of the year? |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 05:59 pm: |
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I know someone who was working on parts for the H2. The price points GM was looking for called for MAJOR cost cutting. My only worry about this failure (because it will fail) is that other makers will look at it and say "see there's no money in that market." |
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