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Author Message   jay caragay (Jcaragay) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:06 am:    Has anyone heard of a company in Oklahoma called "Rover Carnivore" (or something along those lines)? They supposedly sell salvaged Rovers and parts. I would like to get in touch with them. Thanks   DChrismon Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:29 am:    Try OKrover web page I cannot remember the exact web page but there is a link for wrecked rovers. Hope this helps. Try a search through google.com   DChrismon Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:37 am:    You got mail....   John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 07:43 am:    Don't use them Jay. Some folks (including myself) have had problems with them.   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:26 am:    My mother told me not to say anything if I couldn't say anything nice, hence, I'll agree, but keep my mouth shut:-). Paul   John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:32 am:    My mother told me to be loyal to your friends and not to people who screw you There was this one girl....oh boy.... uh, sorry, wrong BBS   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:49 am:    rover cannibal heard some good, heard some bad, I found them to be a combination of rude, ignorant, and stupid so I told them to stuff their RR driveshaft.   p m Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:29 am:    i've got some ridiculous price quotes from them. peter   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:38 am:    oh yeah...add that to rude, ignorant, and stupid   Javier Velador (Jvelador) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:03 pm:    hmmm, sounds exactly like another Rover dismantler place here in California. I called to ask about a transmission oil drain plug. His quote: $100. Dealer's price: $13. Damn, I can't remember the name of those guys at LandRoversLand in Sun Valley, CA.   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:09 pm:    so some searches here for rover cannibal to learn about many bad experiences by several members. I never got my parts from them and they kept putting bad charges on my card for a few thousand dollars.   Larry Grubbs (Larryg) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 06:18 pm:    Ditto on bad experiences. Also lived in OK most of my life. There is 1 dealership in the state and probably 20 rigs in the entire state. OK maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but nevertheless there is probably plenty of demand in OK for his parts, hence his prices. Plus they aren't the sharpest people in the world. Maybe I'll start my own used parts business and put everyone else out of business! Larry   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 06:34 pm:    go for it Larry. you have any RR rear driveshafts laying around?   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:06 am:    Put me on the list for another RR rear prop shaft. Blue, make sure to take lots of pictures when you swap your rear propshaft:-)   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:33 am:    Hey Larry, Ok now has 100% more dealers than before - 1 in OKC and 1 in Tulsa. Also there must be at least 40 LRs albeit mostly DiscoIIs just in Tulsa alone. Also a few D90s and Series trucks. LR Tulsa is doing a good job selling these puppies. Personally very glad when relocated back to this hell hole that LRT existed as driving to OKC for service would have been a pain in the ass. Not sure about OKC, however, the majority of owners in Tulsa wouldn't even consider turning a wrench let alone being a used part. IMHO feel that RC isn't quite business savvy to the market needs let alone understanding customer service. Jaime   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:32 am:    The truly sad thing about this is that they have been to this board and are aware of our grievances. Judging from my most recent experiences, they are incapable of changing to reflect their market. While there are many Rover owners who do not frequent the boards, I suspect that those of us who do, probably spend far more on the   jay caragay (Jcaragay) Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 12:37 am:    Thanks to all of you guys for the advice. I think I will heed your words and look elsewhere than Rover Cannibal. That said, perhaps some of you could direct me to alternative sources. The trans on my 95 D1 is dead (5mph at 3500rpm, if I'm lucky). So, I need a replacement. I've heard that the new trans goes for $2K, Rover Cannibal sent a quote of $650 used with 90 day warranty or $1195 rebuilt, then the next day sent another quote of $750 used. Either way, I need to replace or rebuild the trans. Any suggestions? Thanks!   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 01:31 am:    I always recommend Specialized British outside of Sacramento, CA. Ask for Dan - several guys on this BBS will vouch for his prices, service and knowledge of brand. He also does Jags if you're a real British enthusiast. http://www.britishrecycling.com/index.html Tell Dan hello for me if you end up calling him! Cheers and good luck on that transmission. e   isaac fain (Searover) Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 03:35 am:    larry - didn't know you wuz a feller okie! shoot fire!! i grewd up in shawnee mahself   Andy Nichols Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 08:02 am:    "I always recommend Specialized British outside of Sacramento, CA. Ask for Dan - several guys on this BBS will vouch for his prices, service and knowledge of brand" A neighbor of mine got an engine from Specialized British - ,$2000 incl delivery (it was a bit brutalized when they removed it) and great service. Try them.....   jay caragay (Jcaragay) Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 02:41 am:    Thanks Erik, I'll drop them a line!   rover cannibal Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:59 am:    Opinions I understand and everyone is entitled to one but I believe the facts are this. Rover Cannibal has not "screwed" anyone it has done business with nor will do so in the future. RC was started as a hobby venture to fill the enormous need for a good used supply of Range Rover parts at one location in June 2001 by a Land Rover owner and enthusiast. Parts where cheap, supply was hard to find but made plentiful through much effort, and attention to details such as customer service and promptly returned phone calls was not that focused on because of infrastructure and pure uncertainty of making it a full time business. This hobby turned business now knows and understands that customer service is an important factor and information related to part availability and pricing in real time is a must. Rover Cannibal hopes to have these issues solved by late fall and asks for a little patience as these items are worked through. As for parts, we have them. As for screwing people, we don't. As for offering one of the best warranties in the business on drivetrain and related products, we do. As for standing behind our guarantee, we do. As for offering the best overall price for used or rebuilt parts, we do. There are problems with any salvage or new parts retailer. They are not perfect. Striving to be we should as the customer is always right at the end of the day. We are here to stay with 3 more vehicle lines being added by early 2003 and our commitment to the Land Rover family of trucks will be even stronger by then as this is the favored line. We know what you want and will deliver! That is our commitment. If references are what you need before making a smart purchase with us then those we can provide. We have successfully processed over 1000 orders in this first year as a start up which we could not have possibly done by screwing people around. Neal, I drove back to the warehouse tonight just to check on what you possibly could have been charged thousands of dollars for and could not find but a single order request you made for a Discovery fender. Fulfillment tells me that the $150 plus shipping you were charged was refunded back to your credit card because the part was sold the day before to another customer. Sorry for the mistake. Please don't misrepresent to others with what took place. I would be upset too but no need to stretch it out and slander RC on these boards. If anyone has any questions regarding our business practices please contact us. If you still don't have a desire to trade with us we will understand but we are here to serve should you change your mind in the future. Including you Neal.   John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:54 am:    You are such a liar RC. You lied to me more than a dozen times on a part I ordered. You were quick to request payment but not to send me the part. I spoke to several individuals in your organization and all of them lied to me. You kept telling me the part was on it's way for over 3 weeks. And then when I asked for my money back it took you a few more weeks to give it back. You blamed the accounting dept, you blamed the guy that was out in the yard, etc... YOU LIED and that's what pisses me off. You want to know something else, these guys offered to buy my used ECU for $100 and resell it for $290....YOU ARE A BUNCH OF LIARS!!!! And next time have the balls to at least sign your name you wimps.   Dee Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:15 am:    Neal can you post your proof as to the charge attempts against your MC? Funny is the same guy in accounting the same guy in Sales and shipping? Sounds like a multi personality disfunction to me.   LR Max Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 11:27 am:    Bluegill, If you are looking for a RR driveshaft, check out http://www.roverclubhouse.com/. They are here in NC, but they are currently parting out three Rangies and a Defender. Altough they that a fairly good website, give them a call. They can probably give you a real good deal on whatever you want. I've seen their shop and they've got plenty of spares hanging around ranging from stock items to a few upgrades. Hope this helps y'all in y'alls search for parts. Max T.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:31 pm:    thanks Max   Disco Fever Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:47 pm:    I did not have a good experience with Rover Clubhouse in NC. They sold me parts that didn't fit. I paid with my own money to ship them back and then they lied to me on the phone when they said they were going to refund my money. It turns out they were trying for three weeks to make a square peg fit in a round hole. They wanted to try and make the item fit in my vehicle with various brackets when it wasn't made for my vehicle in the first place. Finally I called wondering where my money was and the owner was extremely rude ending the call with slamming down the phone. Professional? Not hardly.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 02:29 pm:    perhaps it would save time to ask who has had a GOOD experience with a SALVAGE shop? LOL see the connection?   John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 02:41 pm:    Hey, I bet you Disco Fever is really RC...   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 03:33 pm:    hmmmmm ... well, I did have a good experience with Specialized British Recycling when I bought the D1 linkage for the CDL. Very prompt with shipping, and reasonable price. Greg checked the parts out (he couldn't resist taking it apart and putting it back together of course) Most of the (importanat) parts we need are there. http://www.britishrecycling.com/ However, I've only purchased once from them, and most of you are aware of my legendary mechanical prowess and aptitude () so, FWIW ... Kim   Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 06:15 pm:    Guys, If you're going to talk some smack about Rover Cannibal or Rover Clubhouse or what ever company, do so with some details not just vague facts. For example, my Rover Cannibal experience: I was driving through OKC and needed a new spindle and hub for the rear of my Disco. I called a couple of days ahead of time and asked for the part "sure we've got it they say." "I'll be in on Saturday morning" I say. I get there on Sat morning (even call ahead to get directions so they know I'm coming. When I get there, I have to take the parts off the Disco myself. Ordinarily this wouldn't be a big problem (only about a 10 min job with the tools they provided) but it pissed me off that I had to drive the rest of the way home to Denver with a nice layer of grease under my fingernails and whatnot. Was the pricing good: yes. Was the part good: yes (but I removed it myself so I could confirm the condition). Was the service good: No, not really. Would I buy from them again: I'd have to think about it. Would I recommend them: probably not... Bottom line is there are a dozen places to buy stuff from in the Land Rover world, and what differentiates them is primarily the service. Most of us are extremely loyal to people who treat us right and when people get treated wrong, well... word travels fast. IMHO Rover Cannibal should look long and hard about increasing reliability and service if they want to restore their reputation in this little microcosm of ours. Sorry, I'll descend from the soapbox now. Nathan Hindman http://www.PangaeaExpeditions.com   Dee Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:43 pm:    Your right on the mark Nathan... Customer service is the benchmark for good business relationships.... Me I've never had a good experience with any salvage yard, they all know your trying to save a buck and know what it costs new. Factor that into the urgent need of the part and most have you by the short hairs. No matter what the claim of honesty they know your in dire need of the part and will pick your pockets many times I've sourced the part new for 1/2 there quote. last one was 3k for a 75k mile 4.0. Ill pass the token now   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:53 pm:    John C , lol you need to send Neal a mail and get his facts.... Rover Canibal ? The man called you out ? I think everyone here understands what a pain in the ass life in general can be. The boys just dont want anyone to try and float a big steaming turd past them.... Kyle   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:58 pm:    I've had to dismantle junked vehicles to get the shit I need. Hence the term junk, and hence the term junkyard. These people aren't selling shiny new yachts at the local yachtclub...hehehehe   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:02 pm:    I have to agree there Blue..... Thats half the fun. But Nathan wasnt clear about what he was told. Going cross country , it can be a pain in the ass to do the job twice to get rolling again in mid stride... When ever I had to go out in a yard to remove things I always ended up leaving with about 9X the shit I went there for.... Kyle   John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:43 am:    Nathan, I did not elaborate on my experience with RC because we went over this in another thread a few weeks ago. End of story!! See y'all at Killington...   Marc Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:04 am:    Guys, I think Rover Cannibal is missing the point here. It has been my experience that the vendors that do a good job backing their products get a good name in this "microcosm" (i.e. RoverTym, EE, DiscountRovers, GBR). And word gets spread equally as fast about those that don't. If someone made an exagerated claim about why they were unhappy with RC, then fine, call them on it, but, the point is that is one more unhappy customer. One more than a business catering to a tight knit consumer group can afford. I think a company in RC's position should take the approach that mistakes will be made when starting out, but it is in our long-term best interests to make the customer happy. Obviously that has not been done in a number of cases. It is fine to say "bear with us, we are ironing out the kinks" but it is not fine, and will not serve you well, to make the customer pay for those mistakes in the mean time. Suck it up, call it a learning experience and do what has to be done (within reason) to make the customer happy. For example, I have heard many times that John at RoverTym had some bad springs come in (I think they sagged quickly), word is that he replaced everyone's. Obviously this would not have been cheap for him, but he did the right thing. Now, I can't confirm that this is the case since I was not one of the customer's involved, but that just illustrates my point: the word is out about John's customer service and he profits from it in the long run. You have to earn that kind of consumer trust, you can't get it by pissing the public off and then trying to defend your position. Once a customer airs a complaint on a board like this, the damage is done. Especially when you are starting out and there are few people with positive experiences who might defend you. I know that if someone came on DWeb and complained about one of these more established, reputable vendors, people would chime in with their positive comments. A new company does not have that well of satisfied customers to draw from. I will say that I have seen far more negative comments than positive regarding RC, and I would be hard-pressed before I would buy from them. That said, my mind could be changed if feedback changes. I would like to see it happen as I think they offer a valuable service. I wish them nothing but the best, and I hope they turn things around. Just my 2 cents, Marc   John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:06 am:    You are 100% correct Marc. One more thing, what's the story with their auctions on eBay???? I mean it this time, End of Story!!!   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:51 pm:    Hannibal should have just posted: "Fuck you, I run a junk yard. Want some parts or not?" That'd get some respect. LOL, as if we all won't surf them when the next widget gives up the fight...   John Lee Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:28 pm:    I agree with Blue. It's a freaking junk yard. If you're buying junk items at junk prices, you can hardly expect that they're going to pass out the champagne and caviar when you arrive. Confucius say, "Junk Yard Dog is not entitled to dine on top sirloin".   Kyle Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:31 pm:    I bet they have some old B2B stickers in there somehwere....... bastard Kyle   John Lee Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:34 pm:    If you guys want a good junkyard for junk Rover parts, there's a really good junkyard here in Los Angeles. It's called Sanford & Son. The owner Fred is now in his twilight years and is constantly being pestered by his sister-in-law Esther. So the place is is run mostly by Fred's son. When you go there, ask for Lamont. He'll give you a deal.   John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:45 pm:    Pretty fancy junkyard: they accept Paypal, sell their items thru the internet (eBay), etc... It seems to me that they want to be more than just a junkyard...and even if they are a junk yard it's still a business, no matter how dirty or clean it's still a business and we are the customers. I totally disagree with you Mr. Lee (not that it matters)....   p m Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:01 pm:    John, Blue, junkyard or not, sloppy business is not an excuse. will I look at the RC parts? I've got three quotes from them on D1 and RRC parts, and all three were ridiculously high. as more old rovers retire across the country, there will be more parts for sale from private parties and other yards. Five years ago Apedirect was nearly one guy on the block, where are they now (inventory page last updated in May)? same may happen to RC, sooner if they keep shafting the public. peter   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:02 pm:    Does RC actually sell much on eBay? I see the same truck advertised over and over again, but the reserve is never met. Given that the insurance company settled for about 10% of the NADA book value, looks like they are asking too much for their junk. If one is selling junk, maybe they should charge junk prices, instead of near-new prices. Not sure if this is in agreement with John or not.   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 03:50 pm:    i think it is beneath john to buy used stuff.. i look at it as environmentally correct ;) rd   John Lee Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:41 pm:    I buy junk yard parts. But I don't kid myself that I'm not being a niggardly bastard when I'm buying from the junkyard. I also keep in mind that I'm dealing with a junkyard and not John Rigby & Co., Ltd. so I don't expect sterling service. I've never been screwed with the way that John and Nathan were, but if I were, I would just not give them my business any longer. I don't want to be screwed by anyone, but I don't kid myself that it's more likely to come from a bottom feeder junk yard than from some respectable place. I adjust my expectations accordingly.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:44 pm:    hey hombres, I'm not pushin for the cannibals...playin games with customer's money and then tryin to get bullshit to squeeze through the phone lines ain't right. If they just give you a high quote, then you don't bother calling back. Simple enough. I'm just trying to give you all some proper perspective...junk man, whether it's ejunk, glazed donut junk, or whatever, it's fuckin JUNK! You tell them you want some rotors, they tell you the truck is out back by the dumpster, go have at it. You go out there, tear that shit apart, and slide the bearings & races in your pocket for your trouble. Maybe stuff a caliper or two in your glove box. Hope they don't hit you with the pipe when they find out... John, you got Lamont's email, or a link to S&F Salvage? This one don't work right....   p m Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:53 pm:    John, come on, one doesn't have to be a cheap shit to buy parts from a junk yard. doesn't it hurt your eyes to see miles of rusing away shit around? There ain't a single junk yard in my homeland, virtually every useable part is recycled. it isn't just environmental concern, it's human labor that wasn't fully reclaimed! an insurance company will write off a vehicle that is more expensive to repair than to buy a replacement for. But barring a total fire, there's 90% of parts that make up a total cost of the vehicle that are almost as good as brand new! now, that said, junkyards get their vehicles at or below a salvage value; if one keeps telling you that the part is nearly new and you should pay for it as a nearly new, it is plain wrong. This is where RC falls through the cracks. peter   John Lee Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 05:01 pm:    You're right Peter. I just realized I buy stuff at the Rover junkyard because I'm motivated by environmental concerns. And I'm sure everyone else who shops at junk yards is the same.   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 06:18 pm:    good for you john. i'm glad you see the light. just becasue a place is a junk yard i doesn't mean i expect junk service. they probably have a better mark up than a retail store, so i should get better service. actually i dont expect poor service from anyone for any reason. i expect superiour service from standard, as things get more expensive (rip me off more) but i always have a minimum standard of service. unless i am in pain or need to borrow something. blue, you know what you are talking about... rd   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 06:21 pm:    John Isn't that Junk Yard your talking about in the Garment District of LA? I saw a really nice D90 there and a purdy Yellow XD and some D2 parked there.. Kyles ride come from there a while back. LOL   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 06:29 pm:    Quote: blue, you know what you are talking about... rd this has to be a sarcastic remark....   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 06:44 pm:    well i meant with lifting a few items on the way out. that way it is a fair deal (in your mind) rob bin hood   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:07 pm:    oh, ok my buddy with a Trooper and I went to the local junkyard to pick up some dash pieces and shit. hehehe lucky for us the smashed Troop was waaaaay in the back. We were there all damn afternoon "just getting a new glovebox and ashtray sir." We removed all the shitty carpet from his, replaced it with the good carpet from the junker, and actually installed his old carpet back into the junker so no one would notice. Then we dug into the engine bay. Dumb ass sittin in the 50-year old swivel chair with squeaky wheels didn't even look up from his Jerry Springer on the b&w tv with coathanger antenna as we left.   John Lee Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:13 pm:    Damn Blue. You screwed over poor Fred and Lamont? As Aunt Esther would say, "I'm gonna get you sucka."   marc Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:25 pm:    Well guys, this was a discussion of business ethics, but somehow it degenerated from valid complaints about getting screwed to plotting how to screw someone else... not exactly setting a good example   Dee Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:22 pm:    So Blue when someone uses the midnight auto supply source parked in your drive dont bitch about them. What comes around goes around, Ill keep an eye out for Zoner plates in my Hood... LOL   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:40 am:    we are just talking about doing crazy stuff when we were young, we wouldn't do that now. rd   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 12:17 pm:    LOL John, you should have seen what Fred charged my buddy for the glovebox. Shit Lamont, I's just along for the ride. And Rob's right, that was then, this is now. I've never actually salvaged anything for the rover, just for my '90 Probe, and that was all legit-like. Sorry for not setting a good example for you to follow marc, I'll try to be a better leader from now on...in the meantime, just tell them I did it for the children. and Dee, you are more than welcome to source the midnight auto supply source parked in my drive. I won't bitch at all. Just don't ask me to explain what that bright little red dot on your chest is.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 12:24 pm:    and Mom, what's a "Zoner plate"?   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 12:36 pm:    I'm sorry I have been away a few days. Well, someone asked me for proof here it is. Here are copies of the 2 most recent disputes that are on my desk and that I've had to fill out papers for. If my controller was in today, I would have more proof and the grand total that Rover Cannibal stole from me but I don't know where stuff like that is kept. Notice at the top of one of my bills that they are listed as conditional disputes? My credit card company explained that this is because Rover Cannibal will not even respond to them. In fact... 1-They completely dodge me when I call. 2-They have never returned a SINGLE phone call. 3-They have never responded to a SINGLE email. Look at my statements 1-They never sent me parts. 2-Never had the parts on hand 3 I believe never intended to send the parts. However they charged my card many times. THIS IS THEFT! And then in Rover Cannibal’s latest message: 1-They claim that they didn’t screw anyone! 2-They claim that this was a mistake! 3-They accuse me of slander for stating facts. 4-They encourage me to try their "services" again! I’m so pissed off I about ready to drive down their and kick his ass! THEY A FUCKIN THIEF!   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 12:43 pm:    I'll post the images soon. I need to change the file size.   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 01:50 pm:    Neal, perhaps the services of a barrister are in order? Jaime   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 01:58 pm:    fuck that, hire Eric N. LOL   Dee Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:18 am:    Blue, naw I stay in a night, The warrden wont let me out to play much. Besides if you need a dot to target my big old ass you need to box that gun up and retun it to Walmart. LOL   Dee Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:34 am:    "and Mom, what's a "Zoner plate" Its found on those slow moving cars to the east of Southern California you know the ones doing 45 in the fast lane when the flow is doing 80 mph on the freeways . Mom they sure drive fast out there in California. Well it i guess i should not complain it does give the drivers comming up from Baja Mexico somebody to race.. LOL   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:54 am:    Here are the credit card bill that I was refering to. As you can see, I'm not making this up.   Dee Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 06:25 pm:    In the words of Nixon "Im not a Crook"   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:49 pm:    so Neal, what did you get for your $404.00?   Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:43 pm:    Hello Neal, just thought I'd ask a question. I can understand that you blacked out your account info so that we wouldn't see it and rack up charges on your acct., but covering up your purchases? What are you trying to hide? 1-900-976-FARM? or 976-SHEEP *it has 5 letters, I know, I'm a sick boy) Just screwing with ya.. later.. Rob   Markd1x2 (Markd1x2) Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:53 pm:    Just printed out Neal's Credit Card bill. If you hold it up to a very bright light, you can read his card number.... Merry Christmas all you lottery winners.... Thanks for the gifts, Neal !   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:36 am:    Blue, I never got anything for $404.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 01:11 pm:    Hmmmm...well then, that is a problem now, isn't it. Mr. Cannibal's version of events doesn't quite match your account either....   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 01:12 pm:    LOL Mark...I wonder how many people on this board actually tried printing that out and holding it up to the light....   Dee Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 01:55 pm:    Time to get Judge Judy involved..   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 04:02 pm:    Um, OK is a little far away but, if the money is right I may be able to work something out for ya. Let me call my friend Tim and see if he can get another U-haul. Blue, Dee is right. Why advertise with the red dot unless you just want to scare him. Gen 3 night vision scope and he would never know what hit him.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 04:13 pm:    LOL, just kiddin back there. If the garage is too full to park both trucks, I always make sure I have a nice straight line of sight from the bedroom to the truck parked in the driveway to line up the tritiums. Strategically placed motion sensors and flood lights will illuminate the target just fine   Markd1x2 (Markd1x2) Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:24 pm:    Blue, I hope you weren't the only one.... but I'll bet there were a few who tried it (probably even Neal) ..... LOL, LOL, LOL Mark   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:21 am:    Yea I tried   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:31 am:    shit, I was just kiddin again. I wouldn't have admitted that Neal LOL   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:00 pm:    The Rover crowd is a small one. This being the 2nd thread I have seen on DWEB, I will never call or email them for anything. Isolated case or not, I have no patience for crap customer service! And for Blue and Eric; My employer manufactures a couple of heavy items that can be deployed from 40,000 ft and do not require external guidnace. Paul '00 pig   gp (Garrett) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:47 pm:    i just ordered a used rear non-roto drive shaft from Aaron Auto in Long Island. they were very nice and helpful and will have my part in 2 days at a cost of a whole $10 via UPS. lets just hope the damn thing works without too much cursing.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:50 pm:    Great, now I need to build a bunker? Just read Return of the Enola Gay and now I'm reading The Man Who Flew The Memphis Belle so I already have bombs on the mind....   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:42 pm:    Paul, some things you just want to do yourself. That way you get that job done right feeling.. GP, I was going to offer you my non-roto drive shaft but, you would have had to come and get it.