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Author Message   MTB Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:58 am:    I saw on EE they have Pics titled Fine Living Shoot. WTF is that Is this a west coast thing. We see on previous trips they eat gourmet food and now Fine Living shoots is Robin Leach going to start wheeling with them or are they going to start marketing a special line of Armani sportswear on EE If anyone needs proof that they are going Hollywood, in PA the only people that can park in handicap spaces are the handicap and the short yellow bus I use to go to school in Oh Shit Ho's Disco is YEEELLOOW. So Ho&Lee what is up.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:10 am:    call your cable company and find out.   MTB Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:46 am:    Ho Cable Co. is a joke here. I did a search for fine living, Hell we never get that show, fine living in this town is eating fried food and double wide trailers and not having to marry your first cousin What is the show going to be call when aired, was the filming done about the G-wagons.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:05 pm:    time to move out to cali?   MTB Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:25 pm:    Lets see nice weather all year, earthquakes,tons of people & fine living no thanks   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:35 pm:    Cali won't let me bring my guns, so, no. -L   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:40 pm:    hehe, good choice. cali wouldn't be the same with you guys here. LOL   MTB Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:45 pm:    LOL we would only bring down property value. Plus I don't think the Disco would be able to pull the double wide up over the Rockies   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:49 pm:    I dunno, Ho.... you know, me and my accent just might be a great novelty to have at your next party of the elites.... kinda in a "Beverly Hillbillies" sort of way..... -L   Robbie (Robbie) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:54 pm:    kinda like this Leslie? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9235-2002Aug28.html   John Lee Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:00 pm:    Les, What kinds of guns do you have? Unless you have Class 3 stuff, you should be all right in California. Check out: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/shooting Everything on that page is California legal.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:10 pm:    Now, John, you're the California lawyer, so, I'll have to defer to you, but it is my understanding that those are legal since they're already there... that I couldn't move to California and "import" what I own outside of the state into the state. Not that I really have anything "controversial", ie, ignoring the older and smaller caliber things, an M590 shotgun, ParaOrdnance hi-cap pistol, .308 "sniper" rifle (lol), and will eventually add an AR-15 to the inventory once I've got the Rovers and house better squared away, but, it was also my understanding that my magazines wouldn't be allowable either, given their more-than-10-round capacity. (Again, what's there already is legal, but "no mas" permitted). So, for clarification.... if I bought an AR-15, an older one that has a bayonet lug and the regular-issued birdcage flash "suppressor" (lol), and I move to California, I can bring it and my stack of 30-round magazines with me? -L   John Lee Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:20 pm:    Hmmm. You should contact the California DOJ for a ruling. I think the Cali DOJ gives letter rulings via email too. Shit, you don't even have the AR15 yet, so what are you worried about? You seem to be suffering from "preoccupation with possibilities". If you actually had an AR, then your dilemma would be more concrete. BTW, what kind of .308 rifle do you have?   MTB Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:26 pm:    John how good does the HK USC45 shoot   John Lee Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:39 pm:    The USP is a piece of shit and an abomination to the Heckler & Koch line. It's a frankenstein creation, mixing the 1911's control features, the Glock's frame, and the SIG's slide. What a hunk of shit. It's HK's attempt to sell as many pistols as possible rather than an attempt to build an intrinsically excellent pistol. The USP is designed to sell, and that is about it. HK has been whorring itself out a lot lately. HK copied the Minimi and called it the MG43. HK also makes an AR magazine adapter for its G36 line of weapons. And HK is even manufacturing AR magazines! For those of you who are not into guns, this is sort of like Porsche manufacturing Camaro parts to supplement its income. HK is also retrofitting other lines of weapons such as the SA80 line from the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield. If it makes $$$, Heckler & Koch will now do it. The USP was the start of the end for Heckler & Koch. Ever since the USP sold like hotcakes, HK has been whorring itself out like there's no tomorrow. It is rumored, however, that Royal Ordnance is selling Heckler & Koch GmbH to a group of German investors. So there is still hope. The USP is a hunk of shit. I much prefer the P9 and P7 pistols, also from Heckler & Koch.   MTB Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:50 pm:    John I was talking about http://www.expeditionexchange.com/shooting/Picture430b.jpg   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:50 pm:    LOL, true, but, isn't life all about "possibilities"? Seriously, though, I *WILL* have a '15 before too long.... it's on that "buy it once I have a job" list..... since I've been out of grad school now, I've been working my way through that wish-list, checking off the "toys" that I've been wanting as I get 'em.... Nah, the real problem is, cost-of-living out there... I'd have to make 3 or 4 times what I do here to afford to live out there.... The .308, well, I was cheap.... I had planned out the Remington I was going to build, being a lefty n' all, then, while a still-broke grad student, I happened across a can't-pass-it-by deal on a left-handed Savage "Tactical" (I hate it when they call things "tactical", lol)... a .308 FLP.... Loopy 3.5-10x40mm VariX-III scope (yes, dang-it, also a "Tactical" ) on top.... the scope cost more than the rifle.... Have to admit, it'll outshoot me, and I was classed expert in the Marine Corps... figured I'll get around to building my lefty 6.5-284 Rem with a Loopy LR once I get to where I *think* I can oushoot this 'un... "preoccupation with possibilities", eh? Yeah, that'd be me..... lol..... -L   John Lee Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:22 pm:    LOL. Oh shit. I read "P" when I should have read "C". Everything I said about the USP goes to the USC as well and then some. At least the USP is a good pistol. That USC truly is a hunk of shit. It's a simple blowback and I swear it recoils more than an AR15. That weapon is also limited to 10-round magazines. And it's limited to the .45 ACP so it has an effective range of about 50 yards. And it's larger and heavier and clumsier to use than an AR15. And it's hideously ugly with that gray color and that thumbhole stock and long ass barrel. It is my belief that the only reason people buy that USC is because they want something with "HK" written on it. I think just about every mall ninja and chairborne ranger has owns a USC and a USP for its sidekick. I just don't understand why people pay good money for that USC when they can get a perfectly serviceable AR15 that is a much better weapon and more fun to shoot as well. Les, I think every weapon I've ever shot, let alone ever owned, could outshoot me.   MTB Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:29 pm:    Thank John it seemed very cheap $$ wise for a HK   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:33 pm:    lol.... I've shot, and owned, several guns that I could outshoot.... the Savage ain't one of them. It's cheap and ugly, but that dog sure can hunt... FWIW... -L   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:07 pm:    P7 is a piece of art. The only problem with it is...if you buy one, there is really no reason to buy another handgun...   John Lee Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:27 pm:    Except to buy a P9. Blue, if you think the P7 is a work of art, you should play with the P9. The P9 is easily the best pistol HK ever made. I own both the P7 and the P9, and they're not even close. I prefer the P7 because it's a nicer weapon, but just overall the P9 is a better pistol. I doubt Les will be outshooting either the P7 or the P9.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:35 pm:    I've never shot either (yet), I have too many Rover toys to buy first..... -L   Kyle Posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:02 pm:    plink plink!!! Are we talking about those little plinker H&K pistolas again ? Kyle   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 11:25 am:    hmmmm...do you define "plinker" by caliber or manufacturer?   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 12:08 pm:    Caliber.....but ,as we all know , the little 9MM plinker is the TV gun of choice... Kyle   John Lee Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 02:56 pm:    The P9 is available in .45 ACP. The P7 was available in .40 S&W. The USP is available in .45 aCP. I prefer the .45 ACP but I use the 9mm's because that is what most of HK's guns are chambered for. I'm not into owning dozens of different calibers. It's easier to stockpile only a few different calibers.   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 03:08 pm:    The .40 is a pretty shitty pistol round.... Every one I have shot , shot like shit.. Law enforcement around here even dumped them after one or two years I believe.... Kyle   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 03:28 pm:    USP.40 & P7.40 work just fine   John Lee Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 03:59 pm:    I much prefer the .45 and 9mm to the .40. The .40 is a very violent cartridge loaded to high pressures, and because most .40's are loaded on 9mm pistol designs, most of the pistols are not up to the task. The USP40 and P7M10 are conspicuous exceptions to this general rule. But the .40 is a very serviceable round. I have always believed that there is very little difference between the various service pistol rounds like the 9mm Parabellum, .38 Super, .40 Smith & Wesson, 10mm Automatic, .45 ACP, .44 Special, .45 Colt, etc. in terms of terminal ballistics. As with most things, it is the musician and not the musical instrument that usually get the results.   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 04:24 pm:    "As with most things, it is the musician and not the musical instrument that usually get the results. " Maybe with targets but not with living breathing things.... Kyle   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 04:42 pm:    I prefer 45 over 9, so I'm looking at the USP45 Compact for regular carrying. A P7M8 would be nice, but it just ain't in the cards right now....   John Lee Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 05:46 pm:    "Maybe with targets but not with living breathing things...." Huh? I would think the shooter would matter even more and the gun even less with animate targets.   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 08:44 pm:    Shooter matters just as much... But a guy can be god damned good at throwing a pebble and he aint gonna drop you at 20 yards...... Kyle   GreggWSmith Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 09:24 pm:    I will stick with my glock and not deal with over priced crap.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 10:07 pm:    Nah, Kyle, I'll disagree.... but then agree... If you REALLY have THAT good of shot placement, then the .22 is more than lethal. Thing is I do agree that, concerning poor shot placement, a larger caliber can overcome and still incapacitate versus a small caliber off-target, i.e., get hit by a .45 in the gut and it'll put most guys on their butt, but a .22 in the gut will just piss the guy off. (Put the .22 in the left eye, though, and they're down for the count as well as if the .45 did.) The point where real life comes in is, when it hits the fan, your shot placement is gonna degrade... thus, I'll always advocate the .45 over the others. And if you want capacity still, go Para.... -L   muskyman Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 11:28 am:    i'm not much of a gun guy, but I have taken a number of Bear with my bows. when living things are concerned ...shot placment is everything as Leslie stated when you only have one shot its gotta be good and if you want body damage, you should see what a 275 grain expanding broadhead on a heavy carbon arrow at 315fps can do.the shoulder blades of bears used to be a big concern leaving anything but a perfect quartering away shot out of the question.now you just take the heart at the angle you get.   Kyle Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 11:38 am:    Musky you are absolutely right. But that is all about an offensive. You are HUNTING the bear. Not getting woke up in the middle of the night and having to react. Hell its hard enough just getting your hands on the gun half asleep . Les has it dead right and I always take into consideration that I will be off my game if that day ever comes. Therefore I want a shot placed anywhere to deliver atleast enough of a blow that I can get a second shot and a little more time to get my shit together... And I have seen numerous times what an arrow can do.. Its pretty ugly.... Kyle   muskyman Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 11:42 am:    kyle...keep the pit bull and sleep through the intruder...clean it up the next day   Kyle Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 11:46 am:    EXACTLY !!!!!!! Kyle   John Lee Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 11:52 am:    "I will stick with my glock and not deal with over priced crap." This is pretty funny. A Glock owner hating HK's? So typical. It's like a Jeeper hating Land Rovers and calling them overpriced crap. It's more envy than anything.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 12:15 pm:    LOL John...I was just now scrolling down to post a quip about the inherent irony in that statement too... although DOD recently picked up a little palm-sized glock that seems to be a nice little piece of hardware...forget the name - can't keep track of all those damn glock names. but defending glock against hk with the argument of overpriced crap? that's too funny.....   John Lee Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 01:04 pm:    The Glocks are very nice weapons. When my brother was looking to buy some service-style pistols, I recommended he buy the Glock 19 and 26. He did, and he's been very happy ever since. But does that make HK "overpriced crap"? Hardly. I think Gregg's reasoning is something to the effect of "My TAG tells time just as well as your Rolex, so Rolex watches are overpriced crap".   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 02:26 pm:    well, "overpriced" really has to be used with "crap" (whether "crap" is merely implied or directly stated does not matter). I do not pretend to ignore the fact that HK's can cost quite a bit of money (esp. P7 series), but I think I'd call that "expensive" rather than "overpriced" since it's obviously not "crap". Likewise, I'd have to say that Glock is relatively "inexpensive", as opposed to calling it "cheap". Although Glocks certainly can't be had for a dime a dozen - only the "cheap shit" can be had for that. I'll take a nice palm-sized rock over "cheap shit" guns anyday. Rocks are "inherently inexpensive" a.k.a. "free", as opposed to "cheap".   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 04:08 pm:    Well crap. I guess I will have to take my overpriced Stainless USP40 Compact to the gun show and sell it. Funny though, when I bought it I thought it was good. Now I hear it is overpriced crap. I shot the USP and the G-22/23's fpr comparison. I liked the Glocks just fine from a functional standpoint. Shot well too. I just couldn't get over the fact that I was going to have to live with something so ugly. I mean, shit, the gun will probably stay with me for the rest of my days. If I factor in the extra $280 it cost me over the Glock that is jusy pennies a day. What price is beauty   Danno (Danno) Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 04:13 pm:    Glocks might be ugly stock, but you can always modify them...   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 04:50 pm:    Shit Danno. I cannot see your picture, but there is no way to make a Glock attractive. Well...I guess you could melt it down and make it into a statuette or something   John Lee Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 06:01 pm:    I think Glocks look nice and actually like they way they look. They don't have sleek and beautiful lines or anything like that but I think they definitely have a kind of beauty of their own. The simple looks of the weapon seem to mirror its simple operation. And I wholeheartedly concur with Blue's observation that while Glocks are substantially cheaper in price than the average HK, that does not make Glocks "cheap shit". Just as HK's are not "overpriced crap" because they cost a lot, are Glocks "cheap shit" because they don't. I also agree with Curtis' observation that what is $200 or $300 over the life of the weapon? That's nothing. That's like 2000 rounds of 9mm when bought in bulk. If one can afford to spend $600 on a Glock, he can afford to spend $900 on a USP. I don't think that extra $300 for the USP makes it rise to the level of "overpriced crap". $1200 or even $1400 for a P7 is quite another matter. That's serious money for one pistol.   Danno (Danno) Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 06:20 pm:    i didn't say it would be pretty, but like anything, you can modify it...   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 12:03 am:    What is that thing on top of the otherwise funtional Glock? Looks like it might be hard to use the sights.   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 12:09 am:    I have discovered that there really is no such thing as "cheap shit" in a decent servicable weapon. Any well maintained gun of decent quality will hold its value far better than, say, a vehicle. Over time the weapon will likely increase in value over its retail sales price. Expecially with these crappy gun laws that are the bane of the American Sportsman.   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 12:10 am:    That was "especially" . Sorry - I hate typos.   Danno (Danno) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 08:27 am:    it's a C-More red-dot sight.   GreggWSmith Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:10 am:    OK OK OK OK OK OK OK, I am sorry for the "overpriced crap" comment! I just had a really bad experience with an HK and I guess I view a handgun as a tool with a purpose. The Glock will flat out perform as well as any weapon like it. It's job is to kill the bastard that is trying to kill you. Oh and by the way I have a TAG and a Rolex and the TAG works better than the Rolex which is a overpriced piece of crap.   John Lee Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:04 am:    Wow Gregg. You haven't had much luck. First your Heckler & Koch P7 craps out and then your Rolex Submariner craps out. Next thing you know, your Heckler & Koch PSG1 is going to crap out, your Contax SLR is going to crap out, your Carl Zeiss Diavari is going to crap out, and your Mercedes S600 is going to crap out too.   Steve (Steve2) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 12:45 pm:    hk p9s = coolest pistol in the world EVER! IMHO. those who know, know. once you have the best - all else is not needed. steve   John Lee Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 01:39 pm:    Sorry Steve but you are wrong. The P9 is just overpriced crap. You could buy two Glock's for the price of one P9, and you could buy three Glocks for the price of this P9: http://www.hkpro.com/p9ssportcase.jpg If you wanted to take it to the extreme, you could even buy 30 Lorcin's for the price of that one P9ST/C. All of this is academic anyway. The P9 is now long discontinued. Soon the P7 will be discontinued too. People just aren't willing to pay for quality weapons. When the P7 is discontinued then the USP's and Glocks can rule the world.   GreggWSmith Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:32 pm:    John, You smug jack ass... I was trying to appologize for offending those of you that feel that it must be better because it costs more. HK has made some of my favorite weapons (rifles) but I honestly feel that the Glock is a better and more reliable weapon. Now if you buy a gun because it looks pretty in it's case and occasionally take it to the range to impress your friends with your disposable income then the HK is great.   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:08 pm:    "HK has made some of my favorite weapons (rifles) but I honestly feel that the Glock is a better and more reliable weapon." Gregg: while the Glock is indeed a reliable weapon, I see absolutely nothing in the G that would make it any more reliable than my USP. Can you substantiate your statement with something more tangible than how you "feel"? Frankly, I do not see anything in your writings that qualifies your feelings as anything other than biased and subjective so they just don't carry any merit. To make a statement that one weapon is more reliable than another it may behoove you to pull some studies on weapons reliability where you can prove your point with substance and not rhetoric.   Danno (Danno) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:15 pm:    fewer parts, fewer failures.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:25 pm:    LOL - nothing wrong with Glocks. Good guns, they are. You know why I like my HK? Because it's mine, that's why. And I use my HK in real-world situations, not just to impress on the range...hehehehe   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:11 pm:    Danno: An egg has fewer parts than my USP, but USP hits the ground and survives better. Further - I doubt the G has that many fewer parts and the parts that are on the USP are pretty solid. Try again.   John Lee Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:18 pm:    "John, You smug jack ass... I was trying to appologize for offending those of you that feel that it must be better because it costs more." Well, if you think we're a bunch of mindless morons who go strictly on price and you think you are right and we are wrong, then why did you bother apologizing at all? Take your insincere apology and shove it. "HK has made some of my favorite weapons (rifles) but I honestly feel that the Glock is a better and more reliable weapon." That's interesting. The HK roller-delayed rifles are your favorite rifles but you don't like the P9? The P9 is basically a G3 in pistol form. The P9 is made from stamped sheet metal pressings robot welded together, just like the G3. The P9 is roller-delayed blowback, just like the G3. The P9 can also be fitted with target stocks and other appurtences, just like the G3. HK also made a .22 Long Rifle conversion kit for the P9, just as HK did for the G3 and HK91. The two weapons are inextricably linked. The P9 was basically HK's attempt to convert the highly successful G3 design into pistol form. Why do you love the G3 (or whatever particular HK rifle you claim to fancy) and not like the P9 over your Glock? Also, I'd be extremely interested to know what, if any, HK rifles you own and claim to love so much. HK91? HK93? PSG1? MSG90? SL6? SL7? I'll bet you own jack shit and that the closest you've been to an HK long gun is when you watch Die Hard reruns on cable. "Now if you buy a gun because it looks pretty in it's case and occasionally take it to the range to impress your friends with your disposable income then the HK is great." Spoken like a true mall ninja. So you're Mr. Bad Ass now with your Glock? Are you also a Special Forces Recon Battalion Super Secret Squirrel Society Operator too? I can just see you in your Freelander on the dirt roads with your Glock in your shooting hand, ready to cap some trouble as it comes your way.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:19 pm:    Not the Mall Ninjas! Time to go home..... -L   John Lee Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:19 pm:    "fewer parts, fewer failures." I gotta comment on this one too. Fewer parts are better? If you really believe this, why did you add all of that shit onto your perfectly good Glock? C-More sight? Magazine well funnel? Blue condom on the grip? God knows what you did to the inside of the weapon.   KJ Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:55 pm:    Lord god, this thread has the dreaded "three F's"! First comes the Fightin', next the Furry Feet! ACK! Dos Equis all around and Happy Friday to all! Karen   Danno (Danno) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:03 pm:    i'm not complaining, got a HK USP 9 too...that's just one of the toys... fitted match barrel, modified the trigger to under 3lbs. flex tape cause i got big hands...   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:21 pm:    one thing I don't like about the Glocks is the trigger safety. I always feel like there's a spider or booger or something on the trigger. Of course, I haven't shot Glock's nearly enough to get used to it I suppose. The safety/fire/decocker on the USP just feels so right (after I de-horned it, that is). damn spiderman...hold still so I can blast you out of your leotards...   Gregg Secret Squirrel Smith Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:26 pm:    Dear John, Boy do you get uptight! I simply stated my opinion that HK handguns were no better than a Glock. Yes I do think that they are over priced as well. I have also had the chance to play with an MP-5 on several occasions and liked it very much. Why don't you have a beer and maybe even get laid. But for god sakes relax and put the gun down. I really don't want to have to use my secret squirrel powers on you. By the way I have a Disco and a Freelander, and yeah the Disco is much better off road, but the Freelander is a hell of a lot better on slippery flat surfaces and also on my commute to work.   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:46 pm:    LOL, well said KJ! (I just love that spiderman, hehe) Okay, I am going to settle this once and for all. ... You're ALL wrong! hehe, Nothing like the home made spud gun. Now don't make me get it out ... Kim Yes, I AM a certified member of The Woodchuck Patrol ...   John Lee Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:52 pm:    So the MP5 is a rifle? Funny, but I had always believed the MP5 was a machine pistol. If you think the MP5 is a rifle, then I think you've shown what your opinion on pistols is worth.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:55 pm:    freak spud gun accident:   John Lee Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:13 pm:    I won't get near those spud launchers. One guy at Pismo had one. Made me cringe just to look at it. The breech was some threaded PVC cap. All he needs is a tight potato and the breech explodes.   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:14 pm:    LOL (don't mean to laugh, sorry Blue, that must have hurt) ... EEEEEEEEEEEWWWW!!! What the heck happened?! Kim   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:24 pm:    Yeah John, I know what you mean (LOL, so there I am playing with it, I finally succumbed). I've been waiting for someone to really blow something up big time, but so far, the b#*stards have been lucky (I guess, they get paid to help make a lot of other "weapons"). Kim   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:15 pm:    take those 2 XX, multiply by 10, and picture me 20' up in a tree on a cliff gathering firewood. Thank God for my prehensile tail. P.S. firearms were safely put away by that point. I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid.   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:27 pm:    BTW: Blue (hehehe, I know you're not online now) ... Could you possibly see if you can blow that pic up a little larger? You know KJ and I just live for those things .. Kim Dang, you guys are hairy ... hmmmmmm, maybe I'll post a pic of my leg in the dead of winter   KJ Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 12:14 am:    ROTFLOLOLOLOL, Kim!!!!! Yeah, we live for it, damn straight! Hold him at spud-point Kim, and I'll bring on the NADS, eh? Now we'll see who else knows what I'm talking about..... Karen   KJ Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 12:16 am:    P.S. I blame that hairless home-wrecker MTB for starting this whole thread. You see where gun chat has taken us????? HAHAHAHA.... Karen   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:50 am:    Kim - you crack me up! I was gonna say something about long arms, but you pretty much took the cake with that Howitzer in your hands. BTW - If ICS happens again I will make sure to attend. I will then give you and install my CDL lever if I have not sent it to you by then Curtis   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 03:42 pm:    HK's are good pistols but, I like the SIG P226 that I have better. I also like my Walther P99 in 40 cal.. I do have a HK USC 45 and I think that it works good as a home protection arm considering that I run hollow points through it but, I wouldn't take it to a war or hunting with it. Still trying to figure out if I want to get an 50 cal riffle or not. Not to many places to fire it around here though. However, I will say that an MP5SD is a whicked little gun. Went to the HK headquarters here and got to play with all their toys. Damn, that was a fun day. Going to have to see if I can do that again.   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 02:10 pm:    LOL, KJ, no problemo, ... have spud gun, will travel ... It goes everywhere with me. I'm never without it - business meetings, grocery shopping, school PTA & community meetings, you name it. It's always a handy thing to have at hand, HAHA! And Curtis, ROTFL, you are ever so right ... LOL, I still haven't done anything to my CDL ... On the positive side, it's given me a little more faith in what "Ricky" can do with completly open diffs. Yeah, I'm having cravings for Truckhaven and I want to drive with CDL next time there, LOL (not quite as slippery going up some of those hills). The ICS is always a wonderful thing ... Guess we'll just have to see what's in the stars. Kim