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Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 10:46 am: | 
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This might be old news but here you go anyway:
And a story:
http://www.adn.com/alaska/story/1672787p-1789726c.html |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 11:37 am: |
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Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 01:22 pm: |
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Yeah, well I didn't have a computer last week |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 01:51 pm: |
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Just goofing around. I haven't had the opportunity to throw the AMWAY guy up yet so I thought I'd take advantage.
Todd |
Kai Dussling (Kai)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 02:54 pm: |
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Bad-Ass 1-ton Dodge Dually w/Cummins Turbo will win every time!
Actually the story sounds like the AUDI 5000 sticking gas pedal story of the late 80's. Anyone remember that? I think it was ruled that the pedals were too close together and people were getting confused.
KD |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 03:24 pm: |
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don't worry about it Todd I take shit from my friends all day, ive actually never seen that one before but it is in my collection now. |
Dee
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 05:50 pm: |
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Well it does not look like either side won in that head-on. $60,000 down the drain what the hell he is a Hummer Dealer. Looks like he got his colors mixed up green means stop red means go? |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 08:36 pm: |
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as you can see, take one really good ass idea, get a big U.S. auto company involved and you end up with a vehicle with no where near the strength of the original product.
mike w |
p m
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 08:55 pm: |
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mike,
what was that really good ass idea?
peter |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 09:31 pm: |
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the humvee the original idea... the concept was to develop an near indestructable off road vehicle. for all purposes american general did just that, then GM bought them out and turned the Hummer into a mom and pop, go take the kids to soccer in the real SUV type of truck also known as the H2. the same will happen to the LR once ford washes what is unique about it out and develops a mass appealled vehicle. i understand that they have to market a truck that is appealling to everyone otherwise you go out of business. its just a shame that you have to dilute the mix to come up with a look alike. so the good idea was the Hummer, it worked and did its job well, the bad idea was changing it into the H2. as we can see from the pic the H2 just doesnt hold up to the original creature. see?
mike w |
Tommy (Tommy)
| | Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:03 pm: |
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The good news is GM didn't change the H1, but only added the cheaper H2. Hopefully Ford will doe something similar. |
p m
| | Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:49 pm: |
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MK,
the jeep was the original idea. thirty years later, the same task is set upon the designers, except for they were given unlimited expenses. The hummer, good or bad, is the ultimate in american excess in automotive engineering.
Anywhere besides having to tow a mountain or float across the desert, hummers suck. there are Land Rovers for the same general task, or Pinzgauers for those who think LR metal is morally outdated.
FWIW, a Pinz 712 6x6 makes as much of a noon shadow as a humvee, but takes 12 passengers. And, unlike humvee's torsens, it has five manually locking diffs.
peter |
p m
| | Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:51 pm: |
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oh, and H2 - an ugly parody for an H1.
before its introduction, i thought an ML minivan
looks like a shoe - all of a sudden, the ML doesn't look that ugly anymore!
peter |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 10:14 pm: |
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pm,
i differ in your view of the Humvee, and i will agree with you as well. it is overbuilt, thats as far as i can agree. in the hands of a trained (thats the key word) person the humvee is quite capable of marching over, around or even thru about anything in its way. its greatest weakness is often its greatest strength and that its size. i believe that you do know what you are talking about so i wont venture any further on that issue. it is after all a military transport and an attack vehicle and it does its job. now its not a land rover and if one was given to me i would trade it in on a 110, enuff said on that regard.
the H2 is by far one hammered hard butt ugly truck, but then again the Pinz are about as ugly as they come. for that matter the old scouts are ugly but work really well so beauty has no coaliation with performance. my grief is not that GM is attempting reach out to those who want a Humvee but that they mixed a Shirley Temple when trying to make to serve a Martini (shaken not stirred please). but that is the American way in the eyes of the Big Auto fellas. as i have mentioned before i am afraid that ford will screw up the Land Rover for the sake of marketing to everyone instead of those of us who perfer Lattes, hehehe. then again i could be way off, afterall i do like the new Jags......
mike w |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:52 pm: |
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There you go... I personally think the S-Type and X-Type are excercises in bad taste. And offering an S-Type R? WTF??? |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:18 am: |
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peter,
I surely do not care about H1's or H2's
Where the hell have you been, man? Seems that you have not posted in a while.
Curtis |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:38 am: |
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ok, so which one is uglier... G or the H2?
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Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:04 am: |
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It's the H2 hands down. At least the G is beautiful under it's skin. It's capable on the trail and if not for it's back end I would say it's a nice looking truck all around. The H2 is just a POS with a few nice qualities but still a POS. I just wish MBUSA would bring in the SWB versions. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:12 am: |
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hmmm, how about between vehicross and H2? |
Steve (Scrover)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:19 am: |
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No contest, the H2 actually looks better after the accident. The G at least has a little heritage.
1933 G4 |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:43 am: |
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Ho - funny you mention it. I saw a Vehicross at the grocery store this afternoon with what looked like 4" of lift. Of course, it still looked like shit, but it caught my eye.
Which looks uglier? Hell - I cannot say. IFS looks like hell to me and they both have it. They also both have a plethora of plastic. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:17 am: |
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hmmm... aztek or H2? |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:33 am: |
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or H2? |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:00 pm: |
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Dee
| | Posted on Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:23 pm: |
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Well Ho if you bought a H2 you can log on with the ID H2HO |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 03:56 pm: |
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M.K.,
i haven't driven a humvee, so i can't attest to how much "skill" does it take to drive where the less glamored rigs just slip through. I've seen two humvees tearing through the woods where they clearly didn't belong - they ripped the bark off the trees they couldn't possibly clear, rode over manzanita bushes, etc. The trail they took wasn't any different from any other mountain trail in California or elsewhere. In the desert, there's plenty of washes ways too narrow for them, with banks too steep for them to climb. And, what bothers me the most, they can only carry four people! After all, if you need to go somewhere alone, you can take a quad, a bike, or simply walk there.
whenever i see one in civilian hands, i see a poseur to the max. Not to say everyone is, but most are. Same, if not worse, goes to H2 owners. "Dear, have you seen that fine china tea set in K Mart? It's on sale now!"
Pinzes are indeed butt-ugly, as are Unimogs, but at least they are functional. Being butt-ugly AND useless is over the top.
Curtis - i've been busy wheelin
or, rather, fixing my trucks... that's a race i keep losing
The disco's got its michelins back - for the first time since june. My wife already called me at work just to say thanks for it!
peter
p.s. Scouts make great "sleepers," as are wagoneers. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 07:13 pm: |
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"p.s. Scouts make great "sleepers," as are wagoneers."
you dont say? |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 07:31 pm: |
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LOL
nothing funnier than a rusted out wagoneer dragging a loaded 18-wheeler stuck in snow
i'd imagine a travel-all with 392 could do even better... even with a 345
peter |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:49 pm: |
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how about a scoutII with a stroked 392, 6.78 to 1 ••••••, D300 and D60 w/ARBS and just under 4500lbs
I'd say sleeper but it catches way more glares then my disco,and snorkles seam to kill the sleeper effect
my Scout |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:22 pm: |
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snorkels definitely kill the sleeper effect. it is one of the most poseurish accessories
wonder how many cubes are there in a stroked 392...
peter |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:28 pm: |
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414 in mine
I think my snorkle quallifies as non-poseurish |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 11:01 pm: |
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That Scout looks fantastic! 
So I don't see a top of any sort so I'd have to assume the driver resembled the exterior of the truck when all was said and done...
Todd |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 11:13 pm: |
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OMG muskyman, it's SWAMP THING! Do you fish UNDERwater with that Scout???? LOL!
Karen |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 11:34 pm: |
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well the top is rolled up behind the roll bar
but IMHO the only way to go deep with a truck is with hose out floors and seats
going deep with a disco is a little nutty, I could never see having to smell Wisconsin swamp mud fermenting in my Disco seats.
it would kinda undermine its comfort factor
just as the AC in the disco beats the scout on a ride in the desert
they all know there place
Karen,
many people have wanted to change my scouts name to Swamp thing over the years, but we still call it the "milk wagon" |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:30 pm: |
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H1 or H2? Which one is the poseur vehicle? You decide...
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Will Bobbitt
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:44 pm: |
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The H2 is definatly the Poseur ride. The whole point of it was to sell vehicles based on the image of the H1. A true Poseur indeed. I am sure there will be one in next months Four Wheeler, that has been lifted and all chromed out, as usuall with vehicles of that same capacity. |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 03:04 pm: |
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414 cubes? that's some low end torque I can envy...
the snorkel... guess you've waterproofed and siliconed the crap outta all air/vacuum/electrical connections under the hood, otherwise it's all moot. same goes for all oil leaks - if you hit the deep puddle all too fast, the block cools down and may suck the water where oil was seeping out. same goes for transmission, transfer case, axles, etc... so the snorkel is the minor part of the deal.
i can see light through the disco's rear and rangie's front door openings - no > two foot water crossings for me!
peter |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 05:16 pm: |
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LOL, yeah I figured no deep water crossings with my new electromobile ...
"i can see light through the disco's rear and rangie's front door openings - no > two foot water crossings for me!"
... It's funny, that was one (more, LOL) thing I was surprised about with the Disco ... I used to take my old Trooper through all sorts of water (well, around 3' was about the deepest to my knowledge). One time, the whole rear cargo area was soaked through with water, but the rest of the interior cabin was dry ... (cargo area dried out nicely, too, no mildew, but then again I was in Cali). I never gave it a second thought (I can see the eyes rolling, and hear the groaning, LOL). I guess ignorance really can be bliss at times.
Kim |
Dee Cantrell (Discodad)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:50 pm: |
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Now lets take a gues at what will be the next 4X4 of the year... Hum 2003 DII or the new RR.. Not.. Ill bet it will be the H2, he who pays the most in adverts wins. What ever happend with the H2 and Jeep lawsuit about the grill? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:56 pm: |
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Peter,
waterproofing is something I have spent years working on I have had a number of vehicles set up to run deep water, mud and trails.
the snorkle besides being an air intake for the motor also acts as a breather for the distributer ,engine breathers, and the whole drivetrain.
as far as electrical connection...lol its a scout there arent many,but the ones it does are all shrink sealed or the bigger ones greased.
one thing IH's are good for is they run cool and the blocks are huge so hitting cold water is not that big a problem. I do have a baffle to prevent it from hitting the carb/manifold to prevent the choke from getting confused.
as far as the oil leaks...its not a rover that way I guess.
Kim,
troopers rock! they had alot of things going for them till they decided to go up market.
I always wanted to drop a early trooper on pair of real axels. I think you'd have a nice truck.
I think the more you spend on something the deeper the water seams,my disco will stay dry for awhile here. I'd look/feel/be pretty stupid if I drowned the disco when I own a scout for just such activitys. |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 07:20 pm: |
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Musky, stop,  I actually confessed (again) last week that I felt like calling up the kid I sold the Trooper to, "just to check in on it". I swear I gave that thing away to him, with good tires, plus a good CB and antenna (it was an '89, with only 79 -80 k miles on it) ... I thought, "well at least i know it's going to a good home". LOL
Kim
Not that I would give up my Disco, it does just what I bought it for. |
p m
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Musky,
funny you and Kim should mention that, i walked my dog this morning and stopped for a couple of minutes to look under the trooper-II - just to see how much PITA is to put straight front axle in it!
guess my curiosity was caused by having helped my buddy at work to replace a grindbox in his nissan pickup (BTW, boxed frame all the way through!). I noticed one snag - the engine oil pan doesn't have that big dent to clear the live axle. same thing on the trooper - so you'd either have to lift it sky high, or bang the oil pump to shape, but in any case it would't be the same truck.
the rear axle on both nissan and isuzu seems to be made by toyota - a 3rd member type, similar size ring gear to 4-runners.
peter |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:02 pm: |
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I saw a trooper on 35" tires with spring over and toyota front axle a few years ago .
it was done well and all he did was had some big bumpstops up front to stop it from hitting the motor.
kim, this summer I sold my clean 66 scout to my brother, he has since lifted it built axles for it and made it his....so take it from me ,you cant go back. and as you drive away from visiting your old trooper the guy will just be eyeing up your disco saying to himself there's my next 4x4...a Discovery |
Kim S (Roverine)
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I saw a Trooper II just like my old one last month - It was lifted and very clean. Nice tires, too ... Qualification though: it had surfboards on top ... I'm thinking, hmmmmmmm, yes, it would make a nice Baja get-about. Guess that's what got me going again with the fond memories ...
LOL, okay, somebody slap me, "SNAP out of it!!" ... And Musky, you're absolutely right. No goin' back. I agree with you, about "there goes my next 4x4 ...a Discovery" hehe
Kim |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:12 pm: |
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Kim,
a 4-banger Trooper would indeed make a nice Baja rig. You just have to blend in the local pace of living - hurry and big V8 won't get you nowhere
makes me wish CARB wasn't that anal about the engine swaps. these english fellas just yank some oddball diesel, isuzu very often, and toss it in their land rovers.
peter |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:38 pm: |
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LOL, yep.
Kim
as far as my Baja round-about pondering, in all fairness to the Discos, I wondered/thought about how much more tippy those Troopers could be (?) ...
... I bet that kid's already put 50K more miles on it, and god knows what else ...  |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:54 pm: |
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trooper had all that mad flex, lol. i loved it anyway
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gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 09:34 pm: |
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is that a sun visor? oh man. don't tell me you added a bug shield that said "Robs Rockin' Ride"?? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:58 pm: |
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garrett,
if you look close both trucks have them |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:00 am: |
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i wonder if the RR is getting one? hmmmmmmm. |
John Kruger (Johnnyk)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 04:38 pm: |
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I like the smell of Wisconsin Swamp Mud! |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:21 pm: |
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well john there is alot of it this fall with all the rain wisconsin has recieved lets go hit the Pipeline trail.
we are planning a october trip your welcome to join us |
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