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Christian L.
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 02:13 am: | 
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does anyone know where i can find Michelin XPC tires? i'm looking for size 205/80/16's. thanks. [email protected] |
AdrianS
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 08:25 am: |
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Check out http://www.safarigard.com/TIRE%20MAIN.htm
Adrian
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AdrianS
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 08:32 am: |
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Forget the last post. Was thinking of something else.....sorry.
Adrian |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 08:46 am: |
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Christian - Tirerack has them - be prepared for sticker shock at about $160/ea!
I just picked up a set from someone on this board 'cause I wasn't going to pay that much.
Bill |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:21 pm: |
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You got mail
Curtis |
perroneford
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 01:12 am: |
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Of all the terrific tires on the market, why would anyone buy XPCs? Just wondering.
-P |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 08:41 am: |
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'cause the XPC's are a fantastic tire for a street driven Rover (ie: my wife's RRC) - good in all conditions (great in some also), extremely long lasting if alignment is watched and finally - about your only choice should one wish to stick with OEM size.
Bill |
perroneford
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 09:27 am: |
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I had XPCs on my truck and I didn't find them to be all that great. Maybe we see different kinds of weather and terrain here in Florida than you do. My tires were average in the rain, average on the dry, sucked in mud, sucked in sand, sucked in the dirt, and didn't like wet grass too much either. We don't have too many rocks here so I'll reserve comment. I replaced them with Trac-Edges which were better in all terrains I used them. Not to mention they were cheaper.
The 225/75r16 size is generally within half an inch of the stock size which I can't imagine anyone noticing. It's also a touch wider and far more common, and thusly cheaper.
But hey, if you like the XPC's and don't mind paying about twice what they should cost, have at it... |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:12 am: |
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XPC area great street tire, the damn thing is so thick and well built, you wont see any ford like sidewall blow outs the bet. i am still running them on my range cause i'm still stock. i could go with some intermediate tire POS but i have sort of seen the light as far as tires. it's no longer an area i care to skimp on.
in my exp. XPC work greak in , snow, packed dirt (very very good) and street. they are not a mud tire, but they arent supposed to be.
lots of spare tires take off for cheap around.
rd |
perroneford
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 11:59 am: |
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Rob,
I don't think you'll win any friends calling the TracEdge or similar tires, POS tires. The sidewalls on them make the XPC seem like bicycle tires. I don't think anyone here is talking about skimping on tires.
I've never bought a "cheap" tire in my life for any vehicle. As I've said before, if the XPC meet your needs that's terrific. But it is quite misleading to describe other tires as POS. The sidewall on my XPCs were no thicker than the sidewall on my Dunlop SP8000s on my BMW. The TracEdge tires had sidewalls at least twice as thick and a tread that worked better on road and off, even in the wet. I am now running Bias Ply swampers that have a sidewall about 3x the thickness of BFG MTs.
No one is talking about cheap tires here, just viable alternatives for different uses.
Christian, take your time and look around. I spent about 6 months researching each of my tire choices and spoke to dozens of people. I was not disappointed with any of my purchases. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 12:23 pm: |
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it's quality not quantity perrone, the sidewall on the XPC is more ridgid and durable, though thinner. BFG is a acceptable choice but it not equal to the quality of that stock tire.
i'm not here to argue with you just to give another opinion that the XPC is good when you say not the best.
rd |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 01:38 pm: |
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perrone, does trac edge have the same carcass construction as the ATs and MTs? |
perroneford
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:19 pm: |
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Rob,
I think I understand where you are going. I have absoultely no data to support that the XPC sidewall is stronger or not stronger than that of a BFG Mud or AT, so I will defer to your knowledge of them both. My issues with the XPC really were only tread related and not sidewall related. The tread didn't work very well in my environment, but I acknowledged early on that it may indeed work better for people in other areas that see less rain and get snow.
Ho, I cannot definitively say the TracEdge has the same construction as the MT or AT. In fact, I know it's not the same. However, in doing an A/B comparison at the tire shop, the TracEdge seemed to have a sidewall that was just as thick if not thicker, but had strange "ribs" on the inside of the carcass where the MT did not. At least the MT KO that I compared it to did not. I also did a hands on with a GY MTR that was there at the shop and felt the TracEdge sidewall felt quite similar in terms of sidewall thickness. I cannot say that one was stronger or the other. All I can say is that I never had any issues with them with all the brush, scrub, and stumps I ran over.
I put on bias plys so I don't ever have to worry about that stuff again.
-P |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:47 pm: |
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hehe, you were poking on the tires? LOL
and, bias ply tire is immune to the powers of the tire gods?  |
perroneford
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:10 pm: |
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Easy! 
Given that I don't do rocks, I don't expect I will ever see anything here in FL that will test the sidewall of the Bias Swampers. Those things are THICK.
-P |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:46 pm: |
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perrone, tire gods dont' care where you wheel, so watch it. |
perroneford
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 04:42 pm: |
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I've made enough sacrifices in the past 3 years to feel reasonably safe. But I've just been cyberwheeling for the past 6 months, I'm reasonably safe.
-P |
Chu Son
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 05:07 pm: |
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I've been wheeling in rocks for 3 years now on BFG ATs. Have not popped a single tire. BFG AT are the best tires in the world!!!
chu |
perroneford
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 08:52 pm: |
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Until you hit the mud!
-P |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:12 am: |
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Chu lives in mountain country. We don't have mud in the mountains. At least not like others know mud |
Milan
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 02:04 pm: |
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XPCs suck in snow. At least here they do. Can't wait to test the sidewals climbing out of frozen creeks. Water and rocks/ice cut tires pretty well. |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 04:37 pm: |
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Perrone, and Milan -
I don't have a large experience in tire brands - from the good brands, I've had BFG A/Ts and M/Ts on the jeep, and Futura mudders and XPCx on both rovers (and michelin XW4s on a 4wd aerostar and 2wd baby cherokee).
IMHO, Michelin makes the best tires ever, period. From the combined standpoint of wear (118kmi on the original XW4 set on the 4wd aerostar), and traction in nearly all conditions (XW4s were awesome in snow/ice, XPCs not far off).
In snow - Disco with XPCs floated on fluffy or packed wet snow, unstable but made its way through. On the futuras, it sank like a rock.
In sand - loaded to the gills Disco with bald XPCx floated its way in Pismo, and pulled out a grand cherokee that dug itself to the door sills (on rather new GYs).
On the rocks - well, there's a limit to anything, but as far as I took the Disco or rangie on XPCs, they are no worse than BFG all-terrains. Haven't busted a sidewall yet - which I did on a futura, on one trail I've run previously on XPCs.
On the highway - there ain't many tires compared to them, with their combined speed and load rating. Need to say that XPCs aren't that quiet, XW4s were quieter by far (but not an off-road tire).
There ain't any mud in South Golden State
here, take a note that BFG tires are also made by Michelin.
Peter |
Larry Grubbs (Larryg)
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 04:37 pm: |
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Every sidewall will blow eventually. Even Bias Plies. Trust me on this. I don't think any one Radial Tire is that stronger than the other. Speaking of course of the same ply rating. Eventually you will tweak it just right and blow out a sidewall. If not, then you just haven't been wheelin' enough! However good driving habits could postpone this eventual failure. But then you might end up winching up some obstacles versus "driving it like you stole it".
Good Times!
Larry |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 04:47 pm: |
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well, larry has met the tire gods. |
Andy Nichols (Lrcb40)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 10:44 pm: |
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Hey guys,
Don't forget that Michelin makes BFG's under licence.....it's just the compound they keep to BFG's orignial spec, I believe.... BFG don't make tires, as such anymore....
$0.02
Andy N |
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