| Author | Message | ||
     Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 227 Registered: 08-2003 |
www.britishpacific.com These guys couldn't be any more helpful if they tried. Best price out there as well. At least for the OME stuff. Wouldn't hesitate to use these guys again. Glad to know that some vendors don't call their prospective customers "morons" Jeff | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 318 Registered: 02-2002 |
Since I've decided to go with an OME setup I'm curious to know what you got. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 229 Registered: 08-2003 |
Set of 4 HD springs, 4 shocks and a steering damper - all needd changing anyway. $530 or something like $700 from EE Jeff | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) New Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 34 Registered: 01-2004 |
I got my springs/shocks and arb bar from them for the cheapest price around. Shane | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 233 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi Shane - absolutely for off road stuff these guys have the best prices - for the service stuff I use these guys www.northeastbritishparts.com - good prices and lots knowledge. Jeff | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Senior Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 269 Registered: 05-2003 |
It always amazes me how vendors forget that customers vote with their wallets. Maybe they'll learn someday. Very timely link Jeff, my 97 D1 with 109k miles has a -1" lift and no steering damper. So springs and shocks are going to be one of my first spring projects. | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 319 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jeff, that gives you a 2" lift overall - right? | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 238 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi Kris - As far as I understand it does. I am more interested in overall weight carrying capacity and longevity for the places I'm going to. regards Jeff | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 240 Registered: 08-2003 |
By the way - as soon as I get them on - I'll take some measurements - and post the results. BTW if you are really after lift - I would probably recommend the scorpion stuff. Forgive me if this is the wrong link but I think its roverslandparts.com These guys offer a 3 link setup which of course has lots of room for articulation. HTH Jeff | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 320 Registered: 02-2002 |
Thanks Jeff. Btw, I just noticed your from NH. I spent my high school years up in Tilton, NH - just north of Concord. My folks owned Jeweler's Workbench in a bunch of the malls in new england. I miss it up there. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 241 Registered: 08-2003 |
Yep - know Tilton well - many years ago I used to work in the Cumberland Farms in Tilton. At that point we lived in a three room apartment in Laconia. I know how you feel - I'm not a NH native but I wouldn't trade NH for anywhere else - well maybe Alaska but that's about it. Jeff | ||
| Andrew Homan (Andy) New Member Username: Andy Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2004 |
Jeff, you paid $530 for springs shocks and a damper? or was it $700. If i's $530 thats a smokin deal. let me know I'll order tomarrow if it's that cheap cheers Andy | ||
| robert B. (Robertb) New Member Username: Robertb Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2003 |
i would also like to know if it is aftermarket parts or original replacement? currently looking for a complete suspension upgrade as well.  | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 246 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi Andy - Yep $530.10 for the whole kit and kaboodle. I haven't seen anywhere with better prices for the OME stuff. Jeff | ||
| Praveen K (Praveenk22) Member Username: Praveenk22 Post Number: 47 Registered: 05-2003 |
Likewise, I think my next project would be to replace the factory springs with OMEs. Jeff thanks for the timely link, does the cost including shipping too? | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 247 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi All - sorry got side tracked with work  - the cost doesn't include shipping - I think approx $60 for shipping UPS/FedEx ground - or at least that's what it costs to ship a fully loaded router - which can't be much difference in weight. regards Jeff | ||
| Andrew Homan (Andy) New Member Username: Andy Post Number: 38 Registered: 01-2004 |
Jeff, Going to order my springs monday. got on their website looks like about 60-64 a spring, which is good. was there some special going you asked about? or did you order online. if you called who did you speak to? Thanks in advance. let me know how the lift went. cheers Andy | ||
| Ken Rountree (Krountre) New Member Username: Krountre Post Number: 23 Registered: 01-2004 |
I'm like Andy, that's a pretty good deal. You are more or less getting the steering stabilizer free. I'm going to call next week too | ||
| Ken Rountree (Krountre) New Member Username: Krountre Post Number: 24 Registered: 01-2004 |
RobertB, OME stands for Old Man Emu which is an Austrailian aftermarket company, and is associated with ARB. Its the most popular suspension upgrade for discos. If you want a good description of OME springs and shocks, go to www.expeditionexchange.com and look under products for Old Man Emu. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 249 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi Andy - I called my order Checking the invoice as well - total for 4 springs, 4 shocks and steering stabiliser plus shipping from California to NH $590.10 PDG I thought. Fitting them all tomorrow with any luck. Jeff | ||
| Ken Rountree (Krountre) New Member Username: Krountre Post Number: 26 Registered: 01-2004 |
What's the thoughts on replacing the metal spring retainers with the rubber coated ones from EE? I thought I might do this when installing the springs. | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 710 Registered: 11-2002 |
Robert... That's called "Brain Rape" | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 250 Registered: 08-2003 |
ken - I personally wouldn't get the ones from EE (or anything else for that matter) but that's JMHO. It really is going to depend on how "off road" or on rock for that matter you are going to get. The more articulation/punishment you are going to place on them the more things like dislocation cones and HD spring retainers become important. I've seen some really nice spring retainers out there the ones that really come to mind I can't find the link for - but I had thought of adding the HD ones that scorpion make. Can't remember who's stocking the scorpion racing stuff in the US though. If anyone knows could they post the link. regards Jeff | ||
| Tarek Khalil (Pharaohdisco) New Member Username: Pharaohdisco Post Number: 38 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jeff, the link is www.landroverstuff.com/scorpion.htm Regards, Tarek | ||
| John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Senior Member Username: Johnc Post Number: 622 Registered: 07-2002 |
Check out http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/html/contact.html for distributors in the US. | ||
| Ken Rountree (Krountre) New Member Username: Krountre Post Number: 27 Registered: 01-2004 |
Jeff, what I meant to say was the Rubberized Shock Tower Securing Ring. The thought of isolating the spring from the shock tower with a rubber coated piece instead of a bare metal one sounds like a good idea, I just wonder what the long term life of the thing is? | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 343 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jeff, Wanted to ask how the install went and how is the ride with your new setup? Later, Kris | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 259 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi Kris - haven't finished yet - have to get some new spring compressors - my snap-on ones snapped off - too be fair though they are about 10/11 years old. Will report back once I have it done. Jeff | ||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 205 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jeff why do you need a spring compressor. I did my 2 inch OME lift without any problems. -leo | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 260 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi Leo - I can see doing the rears because there should be enough drop in the axle once the chassis on jack stands - but how did you do the fronts ? I'm a bit nervous of springs in general - ended up wearing one when I was younger trying to change a set of springs on an RS2000 Jeff | ||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 206 Registered: 02-2003 |
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/disco2frontcoils/ Front and rear on a DII are pretty close to the same as a DI. I got mine from EE so when I hit a snag I just called John up and he talked me through it. But it was a year plus ago. Maybe www.britishpacific.com can tell you some tricks? -Leo | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Senior Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 308 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jeff, this might help you out: http://www.4x4wire.com/rover/disco/tech/ome/ joe | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 364 Registered: 02-2002 |
jeff, roughly how long did your order take to arrive after you placed the order? Assuming it wasn't on backorder like must of their OME stuff is now. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 264 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi Kris - it took about a week at the most. Everything was in stock. Jeff | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 265 Registered: 08-2003 |
Thanks Joe - got it done this weekend - it took me roughly 4 hours to do the whole job. Thankfully there were no really rusted up nuts. Think I could of got it done even quicker with air tools and some decent jacks. Jeff | ||
| John S. Bleazard (Injun) Member Username: Injun Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2003 |
So, how does it look? What size tires are you running? Are you satisfied with the HD setup? I going to upgrade the springs and shocks in the next month and cant decide on wether to go the HD or MD or HD-front and MD-rear. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 266 Registered: 08-2003 |
I definitely notice the change in height even with the stock tires I'm running at the moment. Alot of folks say the ride is pretty harsh using this setup - but so far I think the on road manners are pretty acceptable. Now have to decide on tires - Size wise I'm going with 235/85 16's or the equivalent. I'd like to get the Michelin XZLs or Petlas - but since they seem to be as rare as hens teeth over here - I'm still looking regards Jeff | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 211 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jeff, Be glad that as a prospective customer you were only a "moron". John felt the need to tell me I was a "stupid, cheap f**k" as I was making product/vendor decisions. (happily spent my upgrade dollars elsewhere) | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 269 Registered: 08-2003 |
With an attitude like that it's surprising that Expedition Exchange has any customers at all. Glad to see you voted with your Dollars - more people should do the same. Can't believe a vendor would be stupid enough to call a prospective customer a "stupid, cheap f**k" Especially in the current economy. Jeff | ||
| Ken Tipton (Irish_nv) Member Username: Irish_nv Post Number: 118 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm sure there is no need for my post as many just like me have had the pleasure to meet and deal with both Ho and John. I would pay double for any product if it were to come EE. the knowledge and professionalizim is by far the best in the industry. I am sure any comments made by John would have come after many "brain rape" calls. I bought my set up from him on a day that he was literaly pulling out of the shop to go wheeling. He could have told me to come back on monday but he took the time to explain all my options gave me time to make a decision and make the purchase. This definatly set back his departure time by more than an hour. He then gave me his cell number to call him on the trail if I had any questions about the install process. It's all about qualifying your customers and at the end of the day you might have to be rude but it's better then giving up all your valuable info just so sombody can go and save a buck or two. You will never find service as good as you do from EE. This site alone with it's wealth of free knowledge is reason enough to pay a little more. JOHN ROCKS | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1409 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jeff, if you ever bought ANYTHING from EE, you wouldn't be spewing this BS now. The particular vendor you mentioned also possess some wisdom about who is a prospective customer and who is not - and he wouldn't give a damn about the latter category. By judging his mental abilities here you definitely show yours. I don't necessarily agree with John in some matters, neither I think everything EE sells is the king of the hill. However, it just occured to me that EE became a commodity - you need something, they have it, and you can have it as soon as you want. For many people, EE is also a commodity as a reference source - nearly unique at that. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 270 Registered: 08-2003 |
Peter - I was originally to buy all of my kit from EE (so far I've spent close on $1500 but none at EE) - it was only Johns attitude on the board that changed my decision. I have no doubt that he is pretty well versed in things land rover - but for that matter so are a number of other vendors. Other folks will of course have other experiences. Based on my experiences I decided that John was obviously not interested in how he is percieved by prospective customers - so I spent my money somewhere else. Plain and simple. I'm glad you've had a good experience though. regards Jeff | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1411 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jeff, obviously, you don't get it. This is my personal observation - One has to perform a certain action, to achieve a status of a moron or cheap fuck; for instance, repeated unsubstantiated claims that a product A is just as good as a product B, for a fraction of a price, will earn you one or both names. EE wins its customers by striving to source out the best product, not just _any_, but for specific applications. They won't sell you "an OME shock" or "an OME spring" - you'll be asked a few specific questions about their intended purpose and application. As a result, the chances of you being disappointed with what you bought at EE are next to nothing; also, as Ken mentioned, their follow-up is unparalleled - as is their experience put up for everyone to use. The "morons" and "cheap fucks" don't see any added value in it, and therefore rush out to buy the same stuff anywhere at a lower price. Some of them even proceed to elaborate on how they learned of the installation process from EE site, but bought their wares from another vendor. There are others, who listen to morons and cheap fucks, and chime in with their cheers. Now, what on the earth makes them prospective customers for EE? And, since name-calling is part and fun of "Rover comminity" lifestyle, why should John or anyone else behave different? BTW, I didn't buy all that much from EE - a couple of hundred bucks, hardly more. But, let me tell you, before EE things were very different. | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 365 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jeff, I'll bypass the other BS going on in this thread and bounce some more questions off you about your OME setup. Did British Pacific send your springs in matched sets? Did you have to specifically ask? With the lift installed, do you notice any list? Did you go with the HD shocks as well? If not, could you post the part numbers on the shocks you did get? For the install, did you go the bottle jack route or rent a compressor? | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 271 Registered: 08-2003 |
Peter - not sure if you're a poster child for EE or what But anyway sorry I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to get. I found John Lee's posts on the message board unecessarily abusive/abrasive towards a number of people not just myself. So I voted with my wallet and decided not to purchase anything from EE. Had it of been another vendor I would of done the same thing. By the way my introduction to Rovering and the Rover community was at least 16 years ago in England - and I can assure you that "And, since name-calling is part and fun of "Rover comminity" lifestyle" wasn't part of the Rover community where Rovers originated from. I wonder would you of had the same level of indignation if I had been talking about RoversNorth, RoverTym, Brownchurch or John Craddocks ? And as for the statement "before EE things were very different". I have no idea what bearing this has as an excuse for anothers poor manners. JMHO regards Jeff | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 272 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hi Kris - I did fall down on the springs part. Didn't order them as a matched set. That being said I did drag out an engineering block and do a slightly un-scientific check on spring height before the install. The heights matched fine. After the install and 200 miles or so of on/off road stuff - I haven't noticed a list at all. The ride height is remaining constant. I did go with the HD shocks as well - mainly because its got to carry one hell of a load at the end of the year. For install I used 1 bottle jack, 1 cinder block, 1 trolley jack and a large bar. along with the sockets and spanners. found a pretty good article on DiffLok that went over the install in pretty good detail on a defender. regards Jeff | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 369 Registered: 02-2002 |
Thanks, Jeff. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1413 Registered: 09-2002 |
I seriously doubt about the poster child, Jeff. Would I have the same level of indignation towards the others? Very few - say, GBR, despite one order coming nearly a month late, and me being a very infrequent and inconsequential customer at GBR as well. "Rover community lifestyle" - I stand corrected, it may only apply to the U.S. folks. In my experience, it's been much more aggressive than most jeep crowds I've been part of. The "voting with your wallet" is pretty pathetic, Jeff. Reminds me of myself... | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 375 Registered: 02-2002 |
I just placed my order with British Pacific this afternoon. I got a the OME HD front and rear for both springs and shocks. Plus I got a OME damper and some tie rod ends. Can't wait to get these bad boys on my truck. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 273 Registered: 08-2003 |
Awesome Kris - were they still the same price ? Jeff | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 376 Registered: 02-2002 |
Same great price. Couple of items on backorder so I'll be playing the waiting game. Hey, the guy at BP mentioned something about them shipping from ARB. Is that their distributer? And I didn't ask about matched springs, should I have? | ||
| Sean Heisler (Redrover) New Member Username: Redrover Post Number: 28 Registered: 06-2003 |
Kris- If you don't want the infamous rover tilt, get them matched. Either PS or DS-it doesn't matter- you will be much happier. SEAN | ||
| James Hamilton (Rocknroll) New Member Username: Rocknroll Post Number: 15 Registered: 01-2004 |
"Hey, the guy at BP mentioned something about them shipping from ARB. Is that their distributer?" Old Man Emu is distributed by ARB in the united states as well as, to my knowledge, their home country of Australia. ARB USA is located in Seattle, Washington, so you can figure shipping times accordingly. | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 377 Registered: 02-2002 |
I just called BP back and inquired about the matched/unmatched springs issue. He said the springs now ship in Left side and Right side. Used to be, back in the day, they were shipped as DS and PS. He assured me there is nothing to worry about. Thanks, again. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 96 Registered: 01-2004 |
I got mine from BP. There were labeled DS and PS. I don't have a tilt at all. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2587 Registered: 02-2002 |
That's great for now.....but the tilt will rear its ugly head soon enough. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 99 Registered: 01-2004 |
by that reasoning then if you got matched springs you start out with a tilt and it goes away? | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2590 Registered: 02-2002 |
No, if you purchase and install matched springs; you will not have a tilt to begin with and you should not end up with a tilt done the road. That is unless your vehicle is unbalanced. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 100 Registered: 01-2004 |
then if I don't have a tilt now why do you think I'll have a problem "soon enough". If it's level now then the only reason it would tilt would be the unbalanced vehicle like you said, or a difference in how much each spring sags over time (which is possibly an issue for matched or unmatched springs). | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 276 Registered: 08-2003 |
Yep - I'm kind of curious about the whole matched spring bit now myself. I'm taking it that "matching" the springs means placing the spring on an engineering plate and figuring out the spring height with a decent depth gauge ? Then matching a set that have the same height characteristics? Or does this go further and ensure that the springs are both part of the same production batch? Then over time what happens if you are carrying more load on the left or right side ? Really curious about this one. Jeff | ||
| Sean Heisler (Redrover) New Member Username: Redrover Post Number: 29 Registered: 06-2003 |
Shane, Are you sure you installed an unmatched set? The DS and PS springs are manufactured at different heights. As for the springs shipping that way-yes they do ship from OME that way-the retailer has to open them and match them-ultimately though...it is pretty much just cosmetic. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 104 Registered: 01-2004 |
Sean, I didn't measure the heights but they had a tag on them labeled PS and DS so I installed accordingly. I've measured the installed heights and they are the same from side to side. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2593 Registered: 02-2002 |
"HOT RACK" | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 105 Registered: 01-2004 |
hot rack???? | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2595 Registered: 02-2002 |
I read your profile. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 106 Registered: 01-2004 |
ah, luckily I've never had to do that. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2596 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL Shane. I couldn't resist. I wheel with a couple former sailors and they just cringe whenever I say that. | ||
| Adrian Strata (Adrians) Member Username: Adrians Post Number: 63 Registered: 02-2003 |
Scorpion Racing also sells their springs handed like OME. The spring rates don't change for the driver side just the height. It is about 1/2" taller for the driver side. The reason being that the driver side will be carrying a load all the time while the passenger side will not. With matched springs, eventually the driver side will sag more than the passenger side. I think LR is doing the same thing (handed) with the 04's. I would think that if the new springs are rated higher than the stock one's (HD), a matched set should last a long time before any sagging takes place anyway. Adrian | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 378 Registered: 02-2002 |
OK, I'm prior Navy myself. (USS Tarawa & USS Kitty Hawk) and I've never heard of hot rack. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2597 Registered: 02-2002 |
Kris, I was reffering to Shane being a Sub "O" | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 107 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hotracking = when there aren't enough racks for everyone to get their own you have to share. When one guy is on watch the other is sleeping. When the guy gets off watch the other guy gets out of the rack. Since the one guy just got out, it's still warm for the next guy. Hence the term "hotrack". Definately a submarine thing to have to do. My cousin was on the Kitty Hawk a long time ago. | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 380 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ok, hotracking rings a bell now. | ||
| sam (Dent) New Member Username: Dent Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2004 |
what was the OME part numbers for the shocks and springs? being from canada, shipping those up here would be an arm and a leg and then there's customs if I could get the part numbers, prolly order them through a supplier here. Much appreciated | ||
| Sean Heisler (Redrover) New Member Username: Redrover Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2003 |
Sam- The OME part #'s I am running are 751 front springs, 781 rear and N115 front shocks and N44 rear. Ask your supplier if they will "match" them beacuse they are manufactured at different heights (the springs)and your truck will most likely lean otherwise. SEAN | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Senior Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 313 Registered: 11-2002 |
I have been waiting for my unmatched springs (fronts were used, no less!) to lean, it's been over a year now. When should I expect them to lean? joe | ||
| sam (Dent) New Member Username: Dent Post Number: 26 Registered: 01-2004 |
thanks sean |
