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     WDA (Homewood) New Member Username: Homewood Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2004 |
Should I use genuine or aftermarket wires? Also how difficult are the wires to replace on my 99 DII? Any help/info would be greatly appreciated. | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 749 Registered: 11-2002 |
www.magnecor.com | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 180 Registered: 06-2003 |
Gregs on the money with the Magnecor wires.. they are top quality.. One other suggestion when searching for wire options is to purchase universal fit and cut them down to size... ACEL Makes a set of 8mm universal fits for about $50 Canadian.. if I recall correctly.. I've used these on my Jeeps, Bimmers, and rovers without problems... and don't forget that die-electric grease! Wires are easy to change.. the rear plugs might be hard to reach... but use a spark plug rachet or a knuckle with some extensions to get in there.. | ||
| WDA (Homewood) New Member Username: Homewood Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2004 |
The reason I asked is because my local dealer suggested replacement at a cost of $38 a wire and 3 hrs labor to install them at a total cost of $529.00. | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 755 Registered: 02-2003 |
thats unbelievelable | ||
| sam (Dent) Member Username: Dent Post Number: 42 Registered: 01-2004 |
yikes!! that's crazy!! you can do it yourself in about an hour or so, depending how quick you are. With the money you save on the labour, that cash could go to new mods  | ||
| David (98disco) New Member Username: 98disco Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2004 |
$529 is insane for that job. Do you get vaseline with that? I know dealers have a lot of overhead, but apparently many of them don't have conscience. Do it yourself, it's no big deal. | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 181 Registered: 06-2003 |
Thats some cake you just saved!! ...and this is your first post...!!! dweb must be costing LR dealers and mechanics millions in lost revenue... I can only imagine what the future holds... | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 751 Registered: 11-2002 |
Do it yourself and donate the extra $500 to DWeb! | ||
| WDA (Homewood) New Member Username: Homewood Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thats why I said no thank you, but on the receipt they noted that not replacing them could result in valve damage. | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Senior Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 407 Registered: 08-2003 |
529 is plain nuts.. Replacing wires is very easy - popping old ones out, new ones in. Do them one by one, that way you wont screw routing - which one goes where. Magnecor ones seems to be favored by many, and i am waiting on my set to arrive soon. It will cost you 70$ to get 8mm set for entire engine, so you can tell that dealer to get stuffed. While you at it - also might want to do spark plugs. Read tech info on magnecor site - they have few warnings about it. Good luck, and welcome to lovely world of DIY Rover | ||
| Tim '92 RR (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 717 Registered: 12-2002 |
$529.00! You could fly me there and I'll install them for a six pack of Bass Ale. It would probaly still be cheaper than your dealer. They must have made a mistake on the quote. Absolutely do them yourself. | ||
| Todd Nash (Nash) Member Username: Nash Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2003 |
3 hours is ridiculous, and an hour is a stretch if you are at all mechanical. I did my plugs and wires in about 20-30 minutes earlier this week. A spark plug socket with a swivel helps. Mine cost $3.99 at AutoZone. It helps with a couple of the plugs that are in a slightly tight position. Or (for the purists) get a $40 version from SNAP ON. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=67390&group_ID= 1348&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog My plugs and wires cost around $70 total, and that was for high-dollar Platinum Plus 2 plugs. | ||
| ron morgan (Rpm2429) New Member Username: Rpm2429 Post Number: 29 Registered: 08-2003 |
That dealer stuff is a f-----g joke, have fun, take your time and do it yourself. A good trick with the plugs, if you can't see/reach the whole is to get a piece of hose (3/8 i.d. I think) put it over the plug and use it to screw the plug in. Use anti-seize on the threads and run the wires so they don't touch each other or metal (cross-firing), If you can get to Los Angeles I'll do it for a case of stout. | ||
| Matt Anderson (Disco01) Senior Member Username: Disco01 Post Number: 382 Registered: 10-2003 |
The plugs on the D2 are easy, not biggie...... different story for the wires. There is absolutely no room to get your hand behind the engine to get to them unless you have a little kid around who you could enslave. The dealer charges a lot becuase they pull the intake off to get to them. There is no specified replacement interval for the wires used in the D2, so you could wait until one goes bad. LR sells them individually as they intended them to be replaced one by one when they fail. I hope this helps. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1608 Registered: 02-2002 |
Somehow I don't think Sergie, Ron, Todd and Tim know about the D2 wires. They are a real PITA to change. Its not worth $500 though, that's for sure. But be prepared for several hours of painful fucking around next to the firewall. D1 owners do have a MUCH better design to work on in this respect. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 297 Registered: 08-2003 |
If you live anywhere NH - I'll do it for you - and it will only cost you a case of Bishops Finger Seriously though $500 is outrageous - think this LR dealer thinks he's in the medical profession. regards Jeff | ||
| Todd Nash (Nash) Member Username: Nash Post Number: 49 Registered: 02-2003 |
Dean, your're right, my 99 is a DI. I didn't know about the DII firewall issue. Progress? Jeff, as for the medical profession--->I had two visits this month by my "Air Conditioning" guy. $75 just to show up and then no promises that anything will be fixed. Plus, my attorney charged us $800 for a couple sheets of paper in the name of "Estate Planning". Remember doctors do around 11-13 years after high school before even seeing a real paycheck. Just a thought for you. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 299 Registered: 08-2003 |
LOL Todd - know exactly what you mean - I've spent out over $3000 to local doctors/hospitals since my wife became ill - each of them seem to have different opinions - one openly admitted he was wrong - of course he still wanted paying though. Funny that - if you take your car to the garage and they misdiagnose you normally don't pay for it - or at least get a refund. regards Jeff | ||
| Todd Nash (Nash) Member Username: Nash Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2003 |
Sorry to hear about your wife's illness. And, you do bring up a good point. Occasionally, I'll do a "no fee" visit. (Especially if its a return visit for a non-resolved problem.) Doesn't help the patient much, though, as they usually have co-pays, and the doctor's portion is only around 25% of an ED visit, at most. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 304 Registered: 08-2003 |
Good point Todd (and thanks for the thought)- a number of the folks at work have wives or husbands that are doctors. Most of them complain about the Insurance companies more than anything else. I thought that now there was the limitation on lawsuits that the insurance companies would be lightening up a bit - then go to find out that Aetna posted a 12% increase on 1/4 to 1/4 profits. Probably the worng board to post on though. regards Jeff | ||
| Spencer Marks (Sbm) New Member Username: Sbm Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2003 |
I did this recently on my '99 DII...just pull the wire loom out of the retaining clips and shove your hand down there. I have big hands, which hurt like hell afterwards, but I was able to get it done w/out removing the intake. | ||
| Boris Kokotovic (Uberhahn) New Member Username: Uberhahn Post Number: 21 Registered: 09-2003 |
My tip would be to do one wire at a time, as to not swap positions. 1- take old wire off of plug, 2- put new wire on plug 3- take corresponding wire off of dist/ing 4- put new on ... | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 154 Registered: 06-2003 |
Also, before you begin swapping plugs, use some cleaner like Simple Green, around each plug hole to get out dirt/mud etc, so you don't have to worry about contamination. Always use never-sieze on new plugs. While you are at it, slop-on some dielectric grease on plug exterior node and inside the plug boot. | ||
| Sandy Grice (Apg) Member Username: Apg Post Number: 52 Registered: 02-2003 |
Interesting differences between the D1 and 2...didn't know that. Magnecor's are the way to go. They are in the $40 to $60 price range, depending upon which thickness you buy. 7mm wires are a direct replacement. 8mm fit (just) in the wire looms with a bit of persuasion. No need to waste money on the 8.5mm racing wires. You'll find that the Magnecors are an exact fit length-wise. Pull off a wire, find its exact replica, reinstall. Then go congradulate youself on money well saved. For some grins, find a real dark place and spray a fine mist of water over the old wires. The light show of blue plasma jumping about is kinda neat.... Cheers | ||
| Chris Morrison (Baldy) New Member Username: Baldy Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2004 |
I just installed a set of 7mm Magnacors on my 99 D2 yesterday. Took me about two hours to do though. It wasn't easy navigating the wires between the engine and firewall and snapping those boots down, but it wasn't impossible either. Follow Boris' advice, do one wire at a time. It definately helps to unclip the big wire loom that runs across the top of the firewall and move it out of the way as best you can. | ||
| eduardo (Jmonsrvr) Member Username: Jmonsrvr Post Number: 122 Registered: 07-2003 |
how often do magnecore wires need to be changed? | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2469 Registered: 10-2001 |
every other oil change. really there is no answer to that. when they wear out and start arcing. easy way to test is at night in your garage with a misting bottle. spray the wires and if you see a lightning display then you need new ones. | ||
| eduardo (Jmonsrvr) Member Username: Jmonsrvr Post Number: 125 Registered: 07-2003 |
thanks....for some reason i thought magnecor lasted longer than most wires.... |
