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     matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2004 |
hey guys currently I have 33's with 4 inches of lift and would like to swtich to 35's...what type of body mods would I have to do and are there any pro's and con's of a 35 compared to 33? | ||
| Justin Myers (Jmyerz) New Member Username: Jmyerz Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2004 |
Matt, can you post some details and photos on your rig? I'm currently in the planning stages of getting my disco on 33s. Thanks Justin | ||
| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey Justin, I just made a cardomain page for it, check it out, it has a few lousy pics and all the mods listed http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/565894 | ||
| Garrett S Larance (Guntherrocks) Member Username: Guntherrocks Post Number: 45 Registered: 08-2003 |
35's will require some pretty pricey drive train modifications if you really wheel it. | ||
| Jon Santana (Mustache) Member Username: Mustache Post Number: 137 Registered: 09-2002 |
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| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2004 |
haha lol jon, but i was thinking gears, stronger axles, and rear locker, but im new to the rover world, so im not quite sure | ||
| Justin Myers (Jmyerz) New Member Username: Jmyerz Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2004 |
Matt You can get Toyota 3rd members (31 spline axles) and with a little machiene work you can put them in the rover housings. The toy 3rds can be found stock with 4.10s or 4.56s and for about $50 used. The machiene work is about $150 for both ends and the expensive part is $300 a end for custom shafts. But for the price you'll pay just for gears for a rover you can almost do this conversion. They will hold up too 35s no problem. A lot of guys down under run this setup and run the piss out of them all day long. As for lockers, get ARBs. I've seen Detroits break before but never a ARB, I have the seen the O rings fail from time to time but it won't leave you stranded like a grenaded detroit. You'll most likely have to trim, I wouldn't lift it any higher than need be. Look at ECR flares or simply get some DII flares and trim and cover. Thats my plan. HTH Justin | ||
| Jon Santana (Mustache) Member Username: Mustache Post Number: 138 Registered: 09-2002 |
ya matt, you are on the right path. all that is gonna be something to put into your rig against 35's. if you cut (or butcher, as some of the more grey poupnish persuaded rover crowd like to call it), you can prolly fit them fine with 4". if you go with more lift (still gonna have to cut) you will also need to figure out caster correction, lengthened radius arms bigger/ corrected steering linkage... | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1428 Registered: 09-2002 |
where do you get rover axles for Toy 3rd members, Justin? | ||
| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2004 |
you guys are great help. i really appreciate it! | ||
| Justin Myers (Jmyerz) New Member Username: Jmyerz Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2004 |
Peter, Jac Mac down under can set you up with everything needed, including the redrilled 3rds. other than that, from my understanding for the rear you need custom 31 spline toy axles cut to rover width (Moser, WARN, Dutchman, superior) and a 31 spline drive flange. From there you boar out the spindle and put it all together. I haven't done this yet, hell I'm waiting on the arrival of my new rover but from the research I have done its not a difficult thing to acomplish. I'm sure Timm at BCB could do the work Justin | ||
| Heinrich Herrer (Nordwand) New Member Username: Nordwand Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2004 |
35s are too much for a rover. you can go anywhere you want with what you have. with exception of a few on this board (Nadim Samara, Brian Friend, Alex Schubow), 35s are mostly Bling Bling. We want performance......not show. There is way too much cutting involved and to go higher than 4" is going to make for a dangerous COG. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1429 Registered: 09-2002 |
Justin, that adds up a pretty penny to the conversion you mentioned. State-side, a conversion to a Ford 9" or Dana 60 may be less expensive. | ||
| Justin Myers (Jmyerz) New Member Username: Jmyerz Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2004 |
"35s are too much for a rover. you can go anywhere you want with what you have. with exception of a few on this board (Nadim Samara, Brian Friend, Alex Schubow), 35s are mostly Bling Bling. We want performance......not show. There is way too much cutting involved and to go higher than 4" is going to make for a dangerous COG. " too much cutting? 35s are bling? What the hell? I guess if the hardest trail you ever run is your driveway, then yes 35s are bling. But 35s are far from bling on harder trails, sure you could take the by passes with your 32s but then thats not wheeling is it? | ||
| Mtb (Mtb) Member Username: Mtb Post Number: 52 Registered: 02-2003 |
Quote: I guess if the hardest trail you ever run is your driveway, then yes 35s are bling. But 35s are far from bling on harder trails, sure you could take the by passes with your 32s but then thats not wheeling is it? I guess all the people who posted pics. in the photo & trail section that are running 31" & 32" tires must be lucky they made it out there driveways???  Quote: I haven't done this yet, hell I'm waiting on the arrival of my new rover but from the research I have done its not a difficult thing to acomplish. Is this your first Rover and/or 4x4 Just asking. Tell us your experience(not being a smart ass. all the time ) | ||
| Justin Myers (Jmyerz) New Member Username: Jmyerz Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2004 |
No, I've built many of 4x4s ranging from tame to extreme. I'm not discounting the guys that run 32s on their disco, they need it for daily drivers and a weekend warrior...fair enough. But 35s are far from bling, the addition to 35s can be a very helpfull addition for more extreme trails. While it does take a lot for these to be run on a Disco I don't think someone should bash the idea of 35s because they feel they are simply bling. 35s=more clearence = more breakage thats the way it works when you move up tire sizes, if you can deal with the last part then your money ahead and the trails become easier and more fun to ride. | ||
| Mtb (Mtb) Member Username: Mtb Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2003 |
Thanks I understand that in some situations you need bigger tires. But in most cases (what trails an average offroader will do) 35's are bling-bling. But it is not my rig so I don't care. I also think your quote about "trails become easier and more fun to ride" "why" isn't more fun having a challenge while offroading. If you want easy wheeling, cruise the malls "No skill involved." IMHO Thanks for your response. | ||
| Mtb (Mtb) Member Username: Mtb Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2003 |
When you talk about more extreme trails, what trails are you talking about. | ||
| Jon Santana (Mustache) Member Username: Mustache Post Number: 139 Registered: 09-2002 |
 dont be a bling bling hater hey mtb, more power to ya, but there a lot of trails in california that are a real bad idea on anything less that 33's, and some more that are a miserable idea on anything less than 35's. by easier, i think he means not having to be spot over the entire trail, slowing it down for everyone and then stopping everyone because your junk on 31s is blowed up on the rocks. cruising malls on 33's, wearing my fly D&G's~ thats where its at.  | ||
| Mtb (Mtb) Member Username: Mtb Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2003 |
I am not a bling bling hater and I also understand that in some situations you may need 35" tires. But on the other hand there are alot of people out there that put all that stuff on their rigs and they only hit the trails that a slightly modified rover can do with no problems, Just to look cool. I personally do care what people do to their Rovers as long as you don't ask me to pay for it. I also don't know Matt and I also don't know what trails he plans to ride, he may need 35's ?? I saw that Justin was new here (and before you say something about the # of my post, I have been trolling Dweb since early 99) And that is why I asked my ?? | ||
| Jon Santana (Mustache) Member Username: Mustache Post Number: 140 Registered: 09-2002 |
point well taken. i sold my rover and now roll this mamma-jamma. looks C O O L, dont it?   | ||
| Mtb (Mtb) Member Username: Mtb Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jon as long as you like it that is all that counts. LOL. But No I think it looks like Shit | ||
| Todd Phenneger (Toddp) Member Username: Toddp Post Number: 194 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey Y'all, My girlfriend was wondering. Why are you all telling everyone you need a larger and beefier 3'rd member. Thats not really something you should advertise publicly. :-) l8r Todd | ||
| Todd Phenneger (Toddp) Member Username: Toddp Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hmm As for Bling Bling. I dont see how 35's are EVER Bling Bling. They are the Antithisis (sp) of Bling Bling. They may be show off material, but bling bling,in my small little world of cars and trucks, is generally reserved for the usuless mods that are merely there to attract attention and often detract from the usability of a vehicle. Such as putting 22" Spinners on you new Rangie. Or the Tahoe I passed yesterday with Green Metallic flake paint and 22" Spinners. 35's may be useless to some people who do it for looks only, but I wouldnt' call it bling bling. Sort of like calling the Porsche GT-3 Rice just because it has a rear wing. Not quite the same thing. But thats just my opinion l8r TOdd | ||
| Mtb (Mtb) Member Username: Mtb Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2003 |
Todd here ya go this is from MTV News Headlines The next time you and your pals coin a slang term to describe your latest bejeweled accessories, don't bet on keeping it exclusive. The linguistics "gangstas" over at the Oxford English Dictionary aren't "new jacks" to the latest "def" lingo. The venerable definitions resource has already added other hip-hop-turned-mainstream terms like "jiggy," "breakbeat," "dope" and "phat" to the online updates of the 20-volume dictionary, and now it has started drafting an entry for the latest OED-approved term, "bling bling." The term, which is used to describe diamonds, jewelry and all forms of showy style, was coined by New Orleans rap family Cash Money Millionaires back in the late '90s and started gaining national awareness with a song titled "Bling Bling" by Cash Money artist BG. One could say that all Mods are Bling Bling | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 319 Registered: 02-2003 |
Not going to enter the bling bling discussion as I for one have the 35s for offroad purposes (going 37s soon). The 35s DO indeed allow for better clearance and offroad, you're a different beast out there. HOWEVER, this all depends on HOW you make it happen. Example: A buddy of mine runs the 35s on STOCK rims on his D110 with ONLY 2" OME lift = NOT STABLE, and he hsa to be winched a LOT in places were I crawl because he is scared of tipping. My truck has a total lift of 2.5" OME and 2" BL (which, regardless of what people say, does not bring up the COG as an equivalent SL), fender flares, and am currently 8" wider than stock, this means that I am much more stable than STOCK, when the 37s come in, I'll add another 4" of width so generate a far more stable footprint. The rule of thumb I like to go with is 2:3 ratio (Height:width). Would love to go 1:2, but that is just impossoble with Discos/RRs | ||
| Mtb (Mtb) Member Username: Mtb Post Number: 59 Registered: 02-2003 |
37's Will be triple Bling Just messing with you How wide are your rims? | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 320 Registered: 02-2003 |
Currently 8" (4" inside, 4" outside), on 37s will be on 10" (4" inside, 6" outside). 35s are 10.5 wide, 37 will be 14.5 wide These will be on when I get the Toy stuff inside the truck and the N2O . More bling | ||
| Roger Fastring (Fastring) Member Username: Fastring Post Number: 73 Registered: 02-2003 |
I considered 35s when I went to 33s (from stock). I regeared (4.75s, 31 Spline ARB, SB Axles) and went with the ECR cut out flares and 4.5" lift. I'm happy with it. 35s would rub in my case, with my lift and cut, I also moved the rear axle back (new arms, and new upper block). Also worried about the front axle with bigger tires. Not many 35x10.5s out there and I prefer narrower tires, so 33x10.5s were my compromise. With that said, I still would have preferred 35s but didnt find it worth it for my budget. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1430 Registered: 09-2002 |
Nadim - for whatever it's worth: I've ran happily a set of 33x12.5s for two years, and decided to go for 35s. (Not on a rover, those are on 15x8 rims). To get to the good places, I have to drive several miles on washboard, so I air down to ~25psi for this purpose only. Guess what, I have never had a problem with 33s - and 35s just keep dying on me. Last Friday I lost yet another one - a tree root pried the bead off ( on the same spot). If rocks are your game, it sounds like you have to run beadlocks past 33". | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) New Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2004 |
Bling Bling!! sorry, just wanted to belong! | ||
| Garrett (Rover7592) Senior Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 392 Registered: 03-2003 |
Nadim, Where did you get your fender flares? | ||
| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2004 |
well if 35s are so much work, how about 33/12.50's instead of my 33/10.50's? they seem so skinny | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 323 Registered: 02-2003 |
Garret, got them from the source: Rangie Spares in Aust. (only source for them). Peter, that is valid, but again, I am runnign 35x10.5s (eventhough they seem to be 13.5s in reality) and on 8" wide rims, they do graet. Lost beads at 6psi in snow while crawling on rocks, but that was foreseen. With teh 37s on 10" I'll be getting me some internal beadlocks. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1437 Registered: 09-2002 |
35x10.5 is a great size - which tires are those? I'd gladly go from 12.5" to 10.5, even if I have to live with wandering on the road and having to run them at 35-40psi all the time. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 327 Registered: 02-2003 |
These were Simex EXtreme Trekkers. You can get that size in Boggers, SSRs, TSL and other treads as well (not sure what else there is) No wandering experiences, they are biased, so i run them at 30psi onroad. | ||
| Chris Rosato (Zeeto) New Member Username: Zeeto Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2004 |
so you all recommend ~4.7 gearing when going to the 35-36" range? I'm going to make custom housings using Nissan 3rds (4.9) and would like the find one with a good gearing ratio for the 4.0 | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 330 Registered: 02-2003 |
Chris, You need not go to Nissan 3rd...that is a whole lot of trouble, go to Toyota 3rd, its appearently an easy thing to do, and I am currently ordering the necessary parts, and they all tally up pretty close to the 24 HD Rover stuff most people sell, however, the Toy stuff can withstand 39"s and they cost MUCH cheaper when you need to replace them. You can have ratios down to 5.71, 5.29, 4.88, 4.56, 4.1 or aything less interesting for 35+ tires. Nissan stuff are not as strong as Toyota *at least htat is what the Aussys say... Nadim | ||
| Chris Rosato (Zeeto) New Member Username: Zeeto Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2004 |
I know all about Toy stuff, my comp rig is Toy drivetrain. I've talked with a few guys down in OZ who run patrols and they really like them. I just don't want to use the Toy center chunk. I want to make a custom front housing to whatever width I decide. The plan is Nissan 3rd->custom inners->Toy from the birf out. I'd like to do this to be able to swap 3rds between f/r axles while using a Nissan rear too. They are relatively easy to come by around here. Also the highest gearing Toyota 3rds come in stock is 4.37, while Nissan is 4.9. Although there is the 4.88 Toy 3rd but you cannot change gears and locker choices are extremely limited. The other thing is, like my friend tells me, I like doing things the hard way. I'd want the Disco to be completely fabbed by myself, to my exact specs. | ||
| jerry d quintana (Exjeeper) Member Username: Exjeeper Post Number: 70 Registered: 02-2003 |
tire size depends on the type of trails that you drive on. I ran 33 on my cj-7 when I still had it and ill tell you that they werent big enough for some of the harder trails. Before i rid myself of my jeep i was considering installing 38 inch tires just to get over some of the rocks. I say if you want to drive on those type of trails go big or go home. if you like milder expadition type trails closer to stok size tires are just fine. | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Senior Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 296 Registered: 12-2003 |
what size d'u think these are. It wouldn't get down any of the trails i take though. And it just can't be practical to drive on the road. How can you see any of the other car's???  Cheers Jack | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 331 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jack, That is a "show truck", therefore, it is NOT the truck breed addressed in this post IMHO, Exjeeper hit it on the nail. Nadim | ||
| Big Ed (Sandman) Member Username: Sandman Post Number: 111 Registered: 02-2004 |
Jack...that guy's never see sand/mud/rocks/water in that rig. Note the huge red lines on the ground so he can follow them and not hit anything or run over little old ladies. Nadim...what happened to your Dubai trip? YOU were a no-show ya blinger! SandMan | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 333 Registered: 02-2003 |
Ed, Business is dynamic...so are my trip schedules  | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 937 Registered: 11-2002 |
Just for clarification from the US boys in this thread. What ARE the trails that you are talking about the REQUIRE 35s or more to run ? I ask this question time and time again and I never do actually get an answer. SHow me the trails and show me pics of YOU running them with your 35s... Thanks | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 670 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm with you Kyle, I have owned 40" tires and I have owned 31/10.50/15"s and a bunch in between. In most cases bigger tires are just an excuse to drive sloppy. a good driver where by selecting the correct line can keep up or go farther because with large tires come wide wheelbases and tall clearences. of course there are always extreem cases such as bottomless mud and rock trails with holes and ledges routed to favour huge tires. Thom | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 938 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well you have guys like Justin up ther flapping and a flapping about shit he has never done. He throws out meaningless statements and has nothing to really back it up.. Whenever these threads starts its ussually the guys with very little experience that start screaming 35 this and 37 that. Yeah , the tires do have their place , but I dont see a damn soul running the shit that will requite that kind of contact patch... The Discos weight really doesnt lend itself for doing such things anyway... Yeah , its Bling on a disco.. PLain and simple.. Kyle | ||
| dhk (Kay_tell) New Member Username: Kay_tell Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2004 |
hey peter how the hell did you get a picture that fricking big to load up. man i think i see a hairy ass saquatch in the greenery watching you guys.! honk bling honk ! bling bling personally i dont give a f about what everyone else does to their rides. if they like it hats off to them. i personally like my rover on 235's just want steel rims. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1180 Registered: 09-2002 |
There are a few trails here in Colo. that need 35" or bigger, but those trails really should not be run by anything but a rock buggy. If you are running 35" because the trail requires that size you will probably tear the crap out of your rig. The body damage on my truck is just the tip of the ice berg. If you were to crawl under it you would cringe to see the damage to the frame. If I were to do things over again I would not recomend moving to 35" for trail worthyness, I would recomend a completely different vehicle. The disco's wheelbase is too long to run those type effectively and the weight of the truck is too high after you've installed all the protection needed. My set up does fairly well now on the harder trails and the disco is the only vehicle that will work for me because I take all four of my kids on my wheeling trips so I need the seating. When the kids are gone and if I can keep the rig running that long I will need to make major changes to get it set up properly wich includes cutting out the wheel wells to deal with the uptravel issues. There all so many disadvantages to 35"s it is hard to list them all. Turning radius reduced, stability problems, uptravel issues, constant tire ballancing problems, castor correction, driveline changes, gear changes, dramatic wear and tear, road wandering and it drives like shit. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1019 Registered: 08-2002 |
I dunno Bri, I was impressed, seemed to handle as well as mine with the 235/85 Trxus POS. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 939 Registered: 11-2002 |
Its funny how EVER SINGLE time I ask those questions in one of these threads , the thread quickly dies off and no one responds.... Kyle | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1181 Registered: 09-2002 |
Kyle, This trail led me to get 35" http://68.49.112.94/independencetrail/index.htm Funny thing about it, now that I have the 35" I am still have not run the trail again because the last time I did it was SOOOOO expensive. I have run a few since that time that I could not have run without the tires. Road 21 in Grand Junction, Iron Chest and there are probably a few others that I don't remember. | ||
| dhk (Kay_tell) New Member Username: Kay_tell Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2004 |
holly shit! that trail must have been summomed from the guts of the devil him self! ten pionts damage score! not personally my cup of tea | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1469 Registered: 04-2003 |
I rear ended a stopped F150 on the highway, insurance totaled my Disco, and it didn't look that damn bad. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 940 Registered: 11-2002 |
Independence certainly has a reputation. But so do alot of other trails I have been on. This is what I have learned. The rep is always based on the least experienced person that ever ran it. I would like to run it with some "Little" tires myself one day... Infact , I need to spend a little time in CO enjoying that place... Its beautifull and we always just run on through..... Kyle | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1023 Registered: 08-2002 |
Man Kyle you're missing the best wheeling anywhere (of course it is all perspective). If you run any of the nasty CO. trails on little tires, count me in please. I love to see the way my rig is meant to be driven. ;-) I am pretty sure Bill Burke has run them all on "small" tires but his rigs are very well equiped and his experience makes a huge difference. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1182 Registered: 09-2002 |
Kyle, Next time you are here and if you want to run Independance I will run it with you. There is a more difficult trail now. It was just opened up last season at China Gultch and it is called Carnage Gultch. It is unlikely that I will attempt that trail any time soon but we could check it out too. | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1183 Registered: 09-2002 |
Oh yeah....you are right about the leaste experienced person giving a trail the worst reputation. There are many people that run Independance without giving it a second thought and my experience with that trail was one time only. | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 725 Registered: 02-2002 |
brian, if i were you, i'd take back that "invitation"... you dont' want to run a trail with kyle. mister 15 degree. LOL Ho Chung | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 941 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ho I know you arent chiming in. Mister dont finish the trail... | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1028 Registered: 08-2002 |
Ho, Mr. 15 degree? Brian | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 942 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ho is commenting on my reluctance to off camber from time to time... I have told him time and time again that he will never suffer that wory on a perfectly flat parking lot 5 miles from home... :D | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 727 Registered: 02-2002 |
brian, you might find out all about it someday. LOL kyle, the parking lots i deal with are usually 30 miles from home.  Ho Chung | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 197 Registered: 06-2003 |
Heres my 2 cents.. Where I off road I could definately use 33's-35's to get through the tuff trails..then again I rarely follow trails... but I'm in Ontario, Canada and we got deep mud, deep snow, marsh, sand, huge ruts, canadian sheild mangled rock runs and tons of fun for low riding diffs.. crunch! I get hung up all the time and have to drag my low riding 265's through some nasty stuff... I guess if I hammered on the gas harder I could ram through but I don't like breaking shit anymore or traveling over 50 through the bush! lol.. That said I think the trails you run will tell you the tires you need and possibly the fact that your sitting somewhere on your frame, tires spinning asking yourself... would larger tires help?? duh... I guess for most trails 35's are over kill but for off roading... like nightmare alley in the spring... I probably couldn't go over 33's though as the trails I run would probably tip anything with 35's or larger.. ahhh who cares anyway I'm just bored and babbling from work now!! lol and on the BLING subject.. Bling is truly Bling if it looks cool or is cool.. To be blinded by the bling is over kill and results in geeked out bling. To much bling is not a good thing, you need to have just the right ammount of bling to have a cool thing. Bling is tricky! lmao | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1031 Registered: 08-2002 |
My reluctance to go really big is reluctance to deal with all the stuff that comes with going big on a Disco. Simple, budget is the big one. The second reason is that if I had all of the trick stuff for running 35s, the easier trails would be less of a challenge. I like to have the more moderate trails still be exciting. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1032 Registered: 08-2002 |
Kyle, That reluctance is the part that keeps you wheels down! I have been told quite a few times that a well equipped disco would go off camber farther then most would attempt. Of course one with 35s might be a hell of a lot different. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 943 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh I know exactly how far it will go and it is not really a set value. Finday was standing next to the truck when it layed over into some pines on Rubicon and it wasnt really leaning that much. Engine torque and how the truck is loaded plays alot into it... | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1033 Registered: 08-2002 |
Is this in the Rubicon Video? Judging how far it will go under a given situation is the tough thing for people with limited experience. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 944 Registered: 11-2002 |
Naaa , not in the vid , both of us were actually amazed that it had happened. Since the pines were there it was no biggie... | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1184 Registered: 09-2002 |
I fell over once...after the 35" and I am sure I wouldn't have on my old set up. | ||
| William C. Leek (Onionman) Member Username: Onionman Post Number: 131 Registered: 07-2002 |
I have yet another viewpoint: if the route you propose to travel is such that you feel the need for much bigger tires, perhaps you should just walk instead. There are places we should not drive on or through. Keeping tires and other modifications to a minimum might be a viable method of reducing environmental, as well as automotive, damage. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 969 Registered: 02-2002 |
"I am pretty sure Bill Burke has run them all on "small" tires but his rigs are very well equiped and his experience makes a huge difference." last I saw his D90 it was on stock 32" size BFG M/Ts. not sure about the Rangie. your comment on his experience sums it up very well. while a well prepared vehicle is always good to have, there just isn't any substitue for an experienced driver behind the wheel. Jaime | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1185 Registered: 09-2002 |
"There are places we should not drive on or through. Keeping tires and other modifications to a minimum might be a viable method of reducing environmental, as well as automotive, damage." William, I am trying to do my part to help keep the rock population down. | ||
| dhk (Kay_tell) New Member Username: Kay_tell Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2004 |
well when will someone build a landrover to compete with the infamous grave digger or ford big foot. being a land rover community dont you think we should show them hows it done ! | ||
| William C. Leek (Onionman) Member Username: Onionman Post Number: 132 Registered: 07-2002 |
Brian, The world might be over-populated with rocks. But, soil damage and erosion affects us all; human, flora and fauna, and especially water quality. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1034 Registered: 08-2002 |
William, The argument goes both ways and certainly in CO, you are not going to have much luck convincing people of your argument against large tires. I see your point of view but also understand that larger tires on these difficult trails could keep spinning and thrashing at a minimum. Frankly I'd be much more concerned about people using/making by passes/go arounds. Brian | ||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 1186 Registered: 09-2002 |
William, Of course we are all affected, that is why the FS has set up authorized trail systems and that is why the TREAD LIGHTLY program was instituted. Both of which I and ALL of my friends that I wheel with abide by. The rules are designed because off roading will never be stopped and if the FS does not allow people to do it in a legal way human nature will do it in an ilegal way causing much more damage to the ecology. Same kind of reasoning that prohibition didn't work and why we should legalize drugs. | ||
| Chris Rosato (Zeeto) New Member Username: Zeeto Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2004 |
so what do you propose william? not allowing any traffic out in the wilderness? no hikers/bikers/etc? they do "damage" as well... | ||
| gil stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 439 Registered: 02-2002 |
"Keeping tires and other modifications to a minimum might be a viable method of reducing environmental, as well as automotive, damage." when you consider how much "damage" humanity has already inflicted on this planet i dont see how a 31 vs. a 35 inch spinning tire can really make much more of a difference. How is it that running trails is ecologicaly unacceptable, but laying down hundreds of miles of paved roads in our national parks and every where else is acceptable?? cutting your own trail is unacceptable, but mowing down entire forests and habitats is acceptable as long as its in the name of urban expansion. We as people will eventually destroy everything thats been given to us whether we run 235/85s or 44 inch swampers. | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 198 Registered: 06-2003 |
I couldn't agree more with the last few posts..Brian, Gil, Chris... | ||
| dhk (Kay_tell) Member Username: Kay_tell Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2004 |
we still need a 1000 horse power rover monster truck! one that will destroy the good old american ford big foot. or take out grave digger. with all this debate about ford taking over land rover. why not have a good old fashon compitition monster truck style to see which will dominate! the americans or the brits! LOL enviormental damage! having a smoke in the morning is enviormental damage! everything that is with in the atomoshpere is contained here and will be staying with us for years to come. i would be a little more conserned about the chemicl industry dumping dioxons into areas like the niagra river. anyway enjoy. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 948 Registered: 11-2002 |
Most of us here ARE Americans......The green oval cant fuck with the blue one...... | ||
| William C. Leek (Onionman) Member Username: Onionman Post Number: 133 Registered: 07-2002 |
Hmmm, well I read back through my earlier posts and realize I did not make my point very clearly, and for that I apologize. In fact, Brian, you ehlp clarify what I was origianlly trying to say when you comment: "Frankly I'd be much more concerned about people using/making by passes/go arounds." That is what I am concerned about, too. People with larger and larger tires (and, perhaps, with more and more other modifications) might thereby be tempted to go off trail in places they should not go. I have a Discovery, and enjoy driving remote trails and forest roads and such. But, my driving is limited, in part, by the fact that my vehicle is stock: standard tires, no mods (except I did remove the plastic front airdam and the mudflaps), and no underbody protection. Thus, I am limited too moderate terrain conditions. As a practicing landscape architect and an employee of the National Park Service, I have a professional, as well as personal, interest in reducing soil erosion and in protecting water quality. That attitude further limits my driving to established trails and dirt roads. Sometimes, those trails and roads become so eroded by use/over-use that they have to be closed and re-routed, hopefully by authorities with some understanding of proper trail/road establishment. I have been a part of such efforts in the course of my career. What I don't like to see, however, is thoughtless detouring or bypassing or just plain blazing a new trail by anyone with big enough tires to physically do so. Is the temptation of bigger and bigger tires too much for some? Maybe so, and that was my thought (albeit, not well expressed) in my original post. Please try to understand that I am not advocating no "off-pavement" wheeling. Only that all wheeling be done with a sense of responsibility to the environment. And yes, I do know and agree with the Tread Lighly philosophy. | ||
| William C. Leek (Onionman) Member Username: Onionman Post Number: 134 Registered: 07-2002 |
Hmmm, well I read back through my earlier posts and realize I did not make my point very clearly, and for that I apologize. In fact, Brian, you help clarify what I was originally trying to say when you comment: "Frankly I'd be much more concerned about people using/making by passes/go arounds." That is what I am concerned about, too. People with larger and larger tires (and, perhaps, with more and more other modifications) might thereby be tempted to go off trail in places they should not go. I have a Discovery, and enjoy driving remote trails and forest roads and such. But, my driving is limited, in part, by the fact that my vehicle is stock: standard tires, no mods (except I did remove the plastic front airdam and the mudflaps), and no underbody protection. Thus, I am limited to moderate terrain conditions. As a practicing landscape architect and an employee of the National Park Service, I have a professional, as well as personal, interest in reducing soil erosion and in protecting water quality. That attitude further limits my driving to established trails and dirt roads. Sometimes, those trails and roads become so eroded by use/over-use that they have to be closed and re-routed, hopefully by authorities with some understanding of proper trail/road routing and establishment. I have been a part of such efforts in the course of my career. What I don't like to see, however, is thoughtless detouring or bypassing or just plain blazing a new trail by anyone with big enough tires to physically do so. Is the temptation of bigger and bigger tires too much for some? Maybe so, and that was my thought (albeit, not well expressed) in my original post. Please try to understand that I am not advocating no "off-pavement" wheeling. Only that all wheeling be done with a sense of responsibility to the environment. And yes, I do know and agree with the Tread Lighly philosophy. | ||
| William C. Leek (Onionman) Member Username: Onionman Post Number: 135 Registered: 07-2002 |
Oops, sorry for the double post. | ||
| David Hill (Davidh) New Member Username: Davidh Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2003 |
Kyle, Here in Australia, 35's are very common in most states, primarily due to the lack of track maintenance and the condition of most tracks. 32-33" equipped 4wd's WILL get stuck on a lot of tracks around here in Melbourne, whereas you can watch your mates drive straight through on 35's. The fact the Toyota Landcrusiers are the most popular 4wd might have something to do with the fact that 35's are popular as they're so cheap and easy to lift to accomodate these tyres. More bigger tyres on the tracks means bigger ruts, especially in winter! As soon as I can afford it, I'm going from 32's to 35's! | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1038 Registered: 08-2002 |
William, You can delete multiple posts within 30 minutes. I understand your point, but again it also goes both ways. People running responsibly with big tires are more likely not use bypasses and go off trail. Those with small tires might be even more tempted to go around and tear it up. Big tires vs. small tires and tread lightly cannot be bundled together. I have seen plenty of small tire dudes making a mess cause they cannot even consider making real part of the trail. Then when the blaze new ground or use a bypass they think they "did the trail". People that want to NOT tread lightly, will not regardless of tire size. Brian | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1039 Registered: 08-2002 |
Kay_tell, By my definiteion it would only be a monster truck with a Rover body. No difference with all the others. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 954 Registered: 11-2002 |
David , I dont deny that they have thier place. Hell . I run a tire that is about 34" tall on one of the trucks. Mud is very very forgiving. Rocks and high traction arent. For what the majiority of the people in the US do the 35 is more trouble then its worth. The same can be done with more thought and skill.. The 35 will bolt right on alot of trucks and is very trouble free. This is not the case with the Disco and I feel that it more of a hinderance then it is an asset.. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1044 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well put Kyle, end of discussion. ;-) | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 742 Registered: 02-2002 |
so, matt, have you made the decision on the tires yet? Ho Chung | ||
| gil stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 449 Registered: 02-2002 |
instigator.. | ||
| Timothy A. Green (Tree_trimmer) Member Username: Tree_trimmer Post Number: 76 Registered: 02-2004 |
You can't make a Rover monster truck that will defeat Grave digger. I think that is rigged, like wrestling. Grave digger is just too popular. I took my kids to see the monster trucks in GSBO,NC. It was pretty cool to watch once. But it is just a show, not "competition". I will admit, Grave digger put on the best show. But this is probably due to the fact he has a much larger budget and can take more chances. |
