| Author | Message | ||
     matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2004 |
today i changed my engine oil, front and rear differentials, transmission, and transfer case to amsoil...i cant beleive that it actually made a noticable difference! the car rides smoother and has noticably faster acceleration. asmoil is great! | ||
| Ryan Johnson (Disco007) New Member Username: Disco007 Post Number: 35 Registered: 01-2004 |
Just like a pair of brand new shoes...run faster and jump higher. Let me know what it feels like in a thousand more miles. | ||
| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2004 |
sure will...the funny thing is, everything already had mobil 1 sythetics...just shows how superior amsoil really is | ||
| S.C.Young (Youngsc) Member Username: Youngsc Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2003 |
sounds like an Amsoil dealer. | ||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 214 Registered: 02-2003 |
LOL | ||
| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2004 |
how did you know?? j/k.... | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1337 Registered: 05-2002 |
I have noticed that mine runs much better after I have washed it. Expecially if I use carnuba wax.  | ||
| Big Ed (Sandman) Member Username: Sandman Post Number: 114 Registered: 02-2004 |
Mine has more horse power with the Bud sticker. Six more horsepower to be exact. SandMan | ||
| Dave Smith (Javelinadave) Member Username: Javelinadave Post Number: 101 Registered: 07-2002 |
I started selling AMSOIL a few months back. I changed out my fluids one at a time in my D-90. The one thing that I noticed right away and still marvel at is the x-fer case gear lube. Having a soft top there is no carpeting so you hear every noise that things make. The ride to work got quieter and much smoother. There is no more driveline induced vibrations. As for the engine oil, I have noticed only a slight improvement in MPG and available power. If the motor runs to 500,000 miles then I guess it worked like they claim. Dave Smith www.JavelinaRacing.com | ||
| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2004 |
"Mine has more horse power with the Bud sticker. Six more horsepower to be exact. SandMan" get an amsoil sticker if you want some serious hp | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1338 Registered: 05-2002 |
"There is no more driveline induced vibrations. As for the engine oil, I have noticed only a slight improvement in MPG and available power." Placebo effect. Oil will not reduce or eliminate vibrations, it will not allow for any measurable horsepower, and will have negligible effects on MPG. That is - unless you had dry sand in these components before adding amsoil. I have a bunch of the Amsoil gear lube, transmission fluid, and other stuff waiting to be installed in the garage. I am giving it a shot because it was cheaper than Mobil 1 at Costco. | ||
| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2004 |
"Placebo effect. Oil will not reduce or eliminate vibrations, it will not allow for any measurable horsepower, and will have negligible effects on MPG" thats funny...in my 96 cobra, i did amsoil everything, and picked up 7 rwhp | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 669 Registered: 11-2002 |
if you run 140 weight in both diffs, grease in the swivels. 80/90 weight in the TC and 20/50 dino in the engine. then switch everything to thinner synthetic I can see where you could pick up some seat of the pants difference. as an example feel how slow and slugish it feels when your truck is at -20 in the morning then if feels much faster after it has warmed up. much of that feeling difference is due to viscosity changes as the fluids warm up. MM | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1339 Registered: 05-2002 |
Thom - a 5W30 dino oil flows the same at the same temps as a 5W30 synthetic. Ergo, if you were using the correct weight oil to begin with, there will be no difference. | ||
| Dave Smith (Javelinadave) Member Username: Javelinadave Post Number: 102 Registered: 07-2002 |
Wow Curtis, You are sooooooooooooo smart. Why didn't I think of that. Placibo effect. I guess I was putting sugar pills in my x-fer case instead of gear oil. Actualy it might have been maple syrup. I had to use a pump to get it in. LOL | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1340 Registered: 05-2002 |
Dave - you are obviously a genius and, as with most Amsoil dealers, an expert on oils. Maybe you can enlighten the rest of the group on exactly how Amsoil(presumably the same viscocity as the previous oil) will eliminate a vibration? Amsoil, Mobil One, Red Line, even dino. None of them are going to work magic. | ||
| Dave Smith (Javelinadave) Member Username: Javelinadave Post Number: 103 Registered: 07-2002 |
Curtis - Just yanking your chain. You say you have some AMSOIL but have not tried it yet. Throw it in and tell us what you think. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1341 Registered: 05-2002 |
Thom - I misread your post about going thicker to thinner. Ignore my post Dave - I honestly have no baseline to compare it to. The rig I will be putting it in I have driven 6 miles and am in the process of redoing everything. The main reason I bought it is Marc's Amsoil guy is going to loan us his transmission flusher. The synthetic trans fluid flush will then cost me the same as a standard shop flush. I picked up the gear oil and engine flush because, well...it was there. I am sure it is a fine oil, but it is still just an oil | ||
| Justin Kurosaki (Kurosaki) Member Username: Kurosaki Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2004 |
I'll throw in my dime here... A higher quality oil can increase mileage and HP, although the amount is very small. I wouldn't go as far as saying it was insignificant as any increase would come with a decrease in friction and wear, which is the whole point. One of the national corvette clubs did a independent test of motor oils in a Corvette C4. They tested a regular dino oil, mobil 1 synthetic, and Red Line oils. They tested various combinations of oil in the diff, transmission, and motor and dyno'ed each one. Now don't quote me on this, but they found about a ~1.5rwhp average increase by switching each to Red Line (I think ~5rwhp total). Mobil 1 synthetic showed an increase, however it was only around about ~2rwhp. Don't expect to be able to feel these increases, but they are real. Granted these results were for a manual transmission corvette, so don't expect the same results for a auto Disco. Just trying to share some information. And not to piss anyone off, but my OPINION is that AMSOIL is alot like Amway, a cult. I'm not saying that AMSOIL oil is not good, I'm just saying that the biggest customers of AMSOIL always seem to be the AMSOIL dealers. -justin | ||
| Perry Ray Miller (Discojunky) Member Username: Discojunky Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2003 |
Justin "the voice of reason". I agree with you small undetectable hp & mpg gains but you will feel a smoother running engine with synthetics for sure. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Senior Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 323 Registered: 05-2003 |
Well, here's my 2-bits, This is given second-hand, so YRMV, but I have read where a noticeable increase (2 mpg)in would be the result of putting sythetics in the front and rear diff's. Don't know what the oil wt was before the switch. Swivel ball grease is formulated to flow very easily and solidify quickly when stopped. It's not like the wheel bearing grease we all know and love. As for the engine, based on the experience of shops like J. Robison, the big advantage of using synthetics is that it will not break down and form sludge and deposits like dino oil will. Any synthetic is better than any dino oil. Amsoil, Red Line and Royal Purple being the top rated synthetics. Mobil 1 nearly as good, but they did change their formulation recently. Castrol? A friend of mine took his 3.9l apart after 200k. It had been run on Mobil-1 since after break -in. The internals were as clean as when new. Parts still in spec. I think he wanted to install a better cam. | ||
| Nick M (Nick5o) Member Username: Nick5o Post Number: 58 Registered: 03-2003 |
You know WalMart sells a full syn product under their house name. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1343 Registered: 05-2002 |
Other than Amway style marketing hype and pure hearsay, can you justify this comment by pointing to a truly independent study? Also about the Mobil 1 - how do you know they changed the formula? I am not being sarcastic here - I really want to know. I always hear all of these claims around MLM sold oils and none of them ever pan out to anything substantial. Mabe you can bring us up to date with some valid data. | ||
| David (98disco) Member Username: 98disco Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2004 |
I'm thinking Amsoil + Steve A's 30hp stickers + Big Ed's 6HP Bud stickers = a helluva rig. Maybe 300 ponies? Maybe a new land speed record? ;) | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Senior Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 327 Registered: 05-2003 |
Curtis- I'll sniff around and see what there is to see. | ||
| Aaron Richardet (Draaronr) Senior Member Username: Draaronr Post Number: 563 Registered: 09-2002 |
I changed my washer fluid to spring water and I picked up 3 mpg does that count, also what about your blinker fluid? As far as stickers I think they slow me down and the damn jeep guys keep trying to race around me. | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) New Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2004 |
I'll second the Spring Water tip...works like a charm. Still, I get the best gains in mileage when I add a pint of Optimator to the tank, and then a dash of pestilence to boot! (not to the boot though, that's just silly) | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 616 Registered: 02-2002 |
Amway, LOL. In the '70s, my parents tried selling Amway and I remember a lot of creepy people coming over to the house to talk about how great Amway was. My parents were also in EST and Marriage Encounter, kept pyramids over the fruit bowl on the kitchen table and probably went to key parties too -- leaving me, the impressionable 10-year old home with the high-school aged babysitter who wore hotpants. Ahh, the '70s! Does Amsoil cause leaks like switching to synth. sometimes does? e | ||
| matt v (Rolloverover) New Member Username: Rolloverover Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2004 |
"Does Amsoil cause leaks like switching to synth. sometimes does?" it can...asmoil, and all other synthetics will clean your engine, and possibly remove buildup that is keeping oil from leaking around gaskets...when the sludge deposits are removed, or whatver you want to call it, oil could leak | ||
| Dave Smith (Javelinadave) Member Username: Javelinadave Post Number: 105 Registered: 07-2002 |
Matt, Amsoil has an additive that helps keep seals sealing. If you motor is already leaking, it won't stop the leaks. They also sell an engine flush to be used right before switching to synthetic oil to help clean out the crud. I have never used the flush so I couldn't tell you how well it works. Dave Smith www.JavelinaRacing.com | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 764 Registered: 02-2003 |
hey dave how long you been using the AMSOIL, what was your milage when you switched? | ||
| Dave Smith (Javelinadave) Member Username: Javelinadave Post Number: 106 Registered: 07-2002 |
I have been using AMSOIL for about a year. My D-90 is a 97 with 34,000 miles on it. It had about 25,000 miles when I switched. I also switched all the fluids on my Wifes 2000 Landcruiser. It had 35,000 miles on it at the time. I would recommend that you give it a try yourself. If you don't find any positive results you have lost nothing. If you like it, even better! Check out my web site for the products that AMSOIL recommends for your Rover. There are also some great offroad pictures from some of our latest adventures. Dave Smith www.JavelinaRacing.com | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Senior Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 463 Registered: 08-2003 |
LOL | ||
| Dave Smith (Javelinadave) Member Username: Javelinadave Post Number: 107 Registered: 07-2002 |
O.K., I will if you will. | ||
| S.C.Young (Youngsc) Member Username: Youngsc Post Number: 69 Registered: 10-2003 |
It's a cult, I tell ya... a cult. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 955 Registered: 11-2002 |
Naaaa , its like when your AC breaks and you keep turning it on hoping that it blows cold. Even though the compressor is doing nothing you swear that its cold for the first few seconds you try it. WHy ? Cause you want it to be , thats why.... | ||
| Justin Kurosaki (Kurosaki) Member Username: Kurosaki Post Number: 69 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hehe, the humor is not lost. Honestly, true synthetics will have a lower CoF than a traditional dino oil. So they will, to some degree, produce more HP and allow for better MPG. This lower CoF is what makes sythetic oil unsuitable for brand new engines (racers know this all too well). Curtis, I searched for the independent corvette test and the link is dead (I orginally found it on www.corvetteforum.com)... It was truly a neat test by some curious corvette owners as to see if their was any meat to the advantages of synthetics oils on performance. They had just chose Red Line and Mobil 1 as they were the most popular synthetics at the time. The rather primitive tests did show the advantage of both on a dyno. Consumer Reports (yes, I know alot of their tests suck) did a report on synthetics vs. dino oil and their effects on wear. The results weren't suprising... They found that there was no noticeble wear with dino oil in the first 6,000 miles, and no noticeble wear with synthetic (don't remember the brand) in the first 9,000 miles. While I firmly believe Red Line is the best motor oil (based on personal race experience), I still run Mobil 1 (or just dino) in my non-race vehicles. I can't justify the cost of anything more expensive than Mobil 1 as it will do the job nearly just as good for less. And again I won't use a MLM marketed product like Amsoil. Sorry Dave. -justin | ||
| S.C.Young (Youngsc) Member Username: Youngsc Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2003 |
I couldn't have put it better myself, in fact- I didn't. The funny part is I'm doing that exact thing with the A/C... If I tell her over and over it works, maybe she'll think it's just her... | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 735 Registered: 02-2002 |
how about this: "ho, please lower the volume of the radio" "is this better?" just touching the volume knob. "no, just a bit lower" "now?" "yeah, there. much better". she's happy, i am happy. who cares what the volume level actually was? Ho Chung | ||
| Aaron Richardet (Draaronr) Senior Member Username: Draaronr Post Number: 568 Registered: 09-2002 |
Sweet your friends get to call you Ho. That must have been great growing up. Your friends would be like "Hey Ho come meet this chick" She instantly thinks your a male slut, and we all know how ladies want what other ladies have. | ||
| Bruno Tome (Bruno_tome) Member Username: Bruno_tome Post Number: 108 Registered: 01-2004 |
It's all about harmony Ho ! BT | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1354 Registered: 05-2002 |
Justin - I have no doubt that synthetic is a better oil. I was referring to Erics post saying Amsoil and Royal Purple were better than Mobil One... | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 736 Registered: 02-2002 |
aaron, let's not go there. we should live in harmony. right bruno? curtis, they all leak. Ho Chung | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 152 Registered: 06-2003 |
Yup, but with synthetics, the leak is more efficient with the reduced CoF. NOBODY can dispute that! If someone pops up and says, "mine does not leak", then they are on the wrong board. LOL | ||
| S.C.Young (Youngsc) Member Username: Youngsc Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2003 |
If theirs doesn't leak, it's out of oil. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Senior Member Username: Markp Post Number: 295 Registered: 02-2002 |
I switched my 98' Disco engine to Amsoil around 50K miles ago. Also switched the diffs and xfer case about 15K miles ago. Engine runs smoother and MPH is probably about 5-10%. It leaks a little more but that could be 78K on it. Not bad, a few drops, but then again I also own Scouts. As for synthetics, the early formulations did have issues with leaks because they did not have enough additive for seal swell. All engine seals rely on some level of swelling to keep the oil in the engine. Current synthetics are much more gasket/seal friendly. |
