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jay caragay (Jcaragay)
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Post Number: 172
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 07:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

My 95 D1 started making odd vibrations awhile back - basically, it feels like the transmission "clutch" is slipping with a shuddering feeling.

Any thoughts on this condition?

Thanks!
 

dhk (Kay_tell)
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 07:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

auto or manual?
 

Joey (Joey4420)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

If auto, when was the last time you changed fluid and filter?

How about the roto-flex, I understand it can give you the same feeling.

Lucas transmission fix works, if it is the transmission.

 

Brian Dickens (Bri)
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Post Number: 1035
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Joey,

I have asked about trans fix. Are there any drawbacks to using it? My disco is fine, but my F350 is slipping.

Brian
 

Jake Hartley (Jake)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I used Lucas transfix in my Chevy K2500 that I pull a 4 horse trailer with and have had no adverse affects. The stuff really works well for its purpose.
 

Melissa (Roverchic)
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Post Number: 233
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Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Mine is shifting hard @ 50 mph--Feels like a umph, then she shifts @ 50. I am going to try the Lucas for now. That resolved all issues (cross fingers) with the Power Steering pump issue I had.
 

dhk (Kay_tell)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

what year is the ford? our 99 f-250 diesels tranmission went south at 290 thousand kilimeters. well a presure control selinod was to blame. but once it was apart i had them rebuild it anyway.
 

Joey (Joey4420)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Brain, sorry for not getting back faster, my normal internet is down, having to use very ssssllloooowwww dial up.

I have used the Lucas Transmission additive in 5 or 6 different vehicles all with success.

The best case was a 85 Pontiac Bonniville (sp) that I was running in a demalition derby. Trans was extremely slipping, to the point it would drive great downhill and on level ground, just don't go up hill or try to go to fast. I added two quarts (overkill) to this Transmission and it ran flawlessly in the derby. Of course this was a very short test and I would do it in a daily driver (2 quarts that is).

I also have a '92 Buick Roadmaster that I ran it is for about 60k (110k to 170k) miles, transmission was shudering going into overdrive. Well it helped thing till I finially decided to rebuild the Transminssion at about 170k.
 

Brian Dickens (Bri)
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Post Number: 1037
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

It is a 1997 F350 Turbo Diesel w/ 153k miles (hmmm). Original owner claims transmission has alreayd been requilt. Does the problem with the solenoid create problems in the transmission?
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

If your transmission is slipping then you have a fried clutch or clutches. While there may be some additives that will resolve the problem for a while, the clutch pack is still fried and the whole transmission needs to be rebuilt.

Fords are pretty easy and relatively inexpensive. The Rover ZF trans is difficult to remove/install and there are only about three people in the country with a good rep for rebuilding them. Prepare to shed some serious dollars. Most of the shops I know of will remove and reinstall a ZF factory rebuild for about $3500-$4000.
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"The Rover ZF trans is difficult to remove/install and there are only about three people in the country with a good rep for rebuilding them"

F'ing LO F'ing L is that so Curtis ?
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Shuddup Kyle:-)

OK - Kyle here knows I am doing my own right now. I can vouch first hand how much of a pain in the ass they are. What I though would take a week has taken a month. The transmission itself is not that hard to rebuild. Getting the damn thing out, finding parts, and getting it back in are where that challenges are. Oh - and did I mention that ZF parts are expensive? Fortunately, I have that heavy, off balance bastard back in and am doing all of the final hookups.

Now - on to you guys problem. Quit towing stuff and just throwing that shifter in "D". When you are towing use manual shifting as much as possible. Another thing: if you have fried clutches, prepare for the whole fourth gear assembly to separate and lockup eventually. This will cause "D" to go out alltogether and cost you an extra $300 or so on rebuild.

Damn previous owners...
 

marc olivares (Pugs)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

oh and curtis you forgot to mention breaking your buddies arm in the process

watch out for falling transmissions.

marc
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Well that trans would take a shop under an hour to have on the bench. They arent installing them in the driveway curtis.... In under two hours it would be in tiny little pieces...
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Marc, I hope the arm is OK :-)

Kyle, I don't doubt it would be much quicker, but I would still bet more than an hour:-)
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

You would lose the bet..... Most are on the bench in 20-30 minutes..........I have seen one of the boys do a newish camaro , out and back in and being filled with fluid in less then 45 minutes...
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Mine is shifting hard @ 50 mph--Feels like a umph, then she shifts @ 50"

Melissa, not quite sure what you mean but that might be just the torque converter locking. Right when you need the revs., the converter locks and you drop about 400rpm, is that what you're descibing?

SC
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I have pulled transmissions out of a Bronco and a Rover. There is a lot more work on the Rover. A lot. Camaros are a piece of cake. Rovers are a pain. Jeez Kyle - I thought you had pulled a transmission from a Rover before.
 

Melissa (Roverchic)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hey Steve! Here is what the D1(66K miles) does: I can feel it shift hard @ 50 mph, this is the only time that I can feel the rover shifting gears while accelerating. It does rev up to about 2400, then the shift followed by the Umph. Is the torque converter something I could fix myself or work on myself?? I am guessing no, maybe I should just be a mechanic?
Melissa
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Again Curtis , maybe the possibility exists that its not that difficult ? Maybe its that you just arent any good at it ? I have had mine down , and up , and down...lol Its not that noteable really.... It drops the same as anything else....The biggest Pita in the job is the shitty exhaust flange bolts and after one hit with the impact they are either gone or off...Either way the pipe is off.. Cmon , jeez Curtis you are talking like you have done this more then once....lol
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL Kyle - I never claimed to be an expert. Funny thing is though, you have done it what sounds like 1.5 times (big surprise - where is the other .5?) and yet you know of some secret that shaves about 5 hours off the book time for the job. IIRC - it is a six hour removal by billing time, and yes - I checked.

Further, the exhaust flange bolts were the easy part. What sucks is snapping the manifold studs, dealing with pre-rounded driveshaft flange bolts, rusted on crossmember bolts, etc, etc. Thats also ignoring the fact that you have to remove it all with a transfer case that is constantly trying to pull the trans over on you (ask Marc - he knows). Marc does this for a living and it was 3 hours just to get it mated back up (on the driveway of course).

...and comparing it to a Camaro? Really Kyle. I thought you knew better. A "newish" Camaro no less. You mean one that is not encrusted in dirt and rust? You mean one with no transfer case? The one with only one shiny new driveshaft, right? LOL - you are talking like you forgot alot of the 52 steps in getting it in or out.

 

marc olivares (Pugs)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

All Data pro lists removal and install as 9.8 hours,
trans overhaul add 10.4 hours.
that's typical hour rate shops will charge times their shop rate.

realistically Curtis it didn't take us 3 hrs to install, i was there for 3 hours and we dicked around for at least half that time.

and really Kyle, had you compared it to a F-350 4x4 or anything with a transfer case i could see your point...but a camaro? uh, i don't know about that.

marc
 

Steve Cooper (Scrover)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Melissa, what I was describing is normal. The torque converter slips in lower gears to keep the revs. up around town. Once you hit 52 in 4th gear, the converter locks for better fuel economy (yeah, like that really makes a difference). Unfortunately, it has the effect of dropping the rpms at a crucial point in the torque curve, killing your acceleration. I don't know if this is what you're experiencing or not but it's a pain in the ass and there's not much you can do about it. I just hold it in 3rd gear until I'm done accelerating. However, you are right in saying that it's the only shift you notice even though it's not really shifting - the actual shifts are very smooth, at least in my case.

Since I re-geared my t-case, my converter locks at 45ish (the transmission still thinks I'm doing 52) which took a little getting used to. Holding in third to about 55 puts my revs. back in the happy range.

Don't know if any of that is relevant, just felt like sharing :-)

SC
 

Melissa (Roverchic)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 01:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Steve: Thanks! Ok so I guess it is normal! The 52 mph is accurate -that is the point when I feel the "shift". I am glad to know that it is not the trans! However, I am still contemplating a career change to certified master land roverchic.:-)

Melissa
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 04:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


quote:

realistically Curtis it didn't take us 3 hrs to install...




I will give you that Marc, but all we did was position the transmission and set five bellhousing bolts in place. As you know, the job goes well beyond that. Granted, all that weight decending onto your arm hampered us a little...

/C
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL , was I comparing a Camaro ? I was simply listing times. I also said that they are all pretty much the same thing. I really dont give a shit about what the book says. I used to make my living off of how over blown some of those times are.
Both of you enlighten the rest of the viewing world on what makes the ZF any different in the Disco then any other trans in any other truck or car ? Its all the same shit boys. You just had to do one on your backs and now think its everest or something. And Curtis? Where the fuck do you get your numbers ? Three people in the Country ? LOL DO you know these three people and how did you come about this number ? I personally know about 6 that would do it without blinking .
Oh , and a bronco for an F350 are just a variation on that theme , outside of dropping that crossmember its pretty much the same shit... There is no fumbling because the trans/Xfercase is locked down to the jack.
Dont start yapping about some shit here that just isnt true....
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

these guys have about 50 in stock at any given time plus they will turn yours arround in less then 4 hours if you happen to have a different bell housing patern then they have on the shelf

ask me how I know:-)

the ZF is one of the most common euro trans ever! there are hundreds and hundreds of places that can and do rebuild them all the time.

going rate on a bench rebuild is 1400 to 1800 with a 1 year full warrenty.

 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That simply cant be true Thom........lol I thought it was comparable to putting a sattelite in orbit ? say it aint so.....
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Kyle - You sure have added a lot of verbage and innuendo to what I said. Since you seem to be having trouble, I said people there are about three people who have a "good rep" for reliable rebuilds, not three people who have ever touched a ZF. I got this info from my local BMW and Rover dealers. I also never said it was freaking Everest, but a "pain in the ass.". I got this info from people who have done the transplant a hell of a lot more than you. Thom - I guess by your silence you were not able to remove and install in 45 minutes like Kyle seems to think is possible.

Kyle:"Dont start yapping about some shit here that just isnt true...."

Gimme a break. I have not said one thing that isn't true. You are the one making it sound like a 30 minute brake job. Further, besides knocking on removal/install times why don't you try to find something wrong with the actual substance of what I wrote? Keep in mind this thread was going in the direction of solving transmission problems with friction modifiers.

 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"The Rover ZF trans is difficult to remove/install and there are only about three people in the country with a good rep for rebuilding them"
No Curtis , this is exactly what you said. And its just not true. I could care less what the dealershits you are quoting have to say. I am speaking from real life experience. Also speaking from real life experience gained from working in a trans shop day in and day out... Its not somehing I claim (That is what you are doing) , its something I know...
If you re read what Thom typed he commented on the time as well...
The point of the story is , this dude can get his truck fixed at alot of different places. Its not the huge deal you make it out to be .........
 

Ho Chung (Thediscoho)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

curtis, are you driving your disco yet?


Ho Chung
 

Ho Chung (Thediscoho)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

oh, how about you jay, did you fix your disco yet?


Ho Chung
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Its not the huge deal you make it out to be ..........."

LOL Kyle. I stand by what I said and never made it into a big deal. I really am not sure whose posts you are reading, but I never claimed to work in a trans shop day in or day out. I am just a lowly systems consultant who happens to have taken a ZF out, rebuilt it, and am putting it back in. All this in my spare time no less.

I swear man, you really are turning a molehill into a mountain. Your point is of such minute importance to the issue in the thread I am amazed you are taking the time to try and shred me so hard. I guess I consider it an honor to have captured your attention.

So let me rephrase so that I don't offend your tender sensibilities:

"It is of the opinion of this dumbass, dealers, and Rover machanics that the Rover ZF trans is difficult to remove/install and there are only about three people in the country with a good rep for rebuilding them. I am sure if you contact Kyle though he can have it out, rebuilt, and back in in under an hour."

LOL. Better?
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Curtis , you didnt rebuild it. Mark did. And you are probably basing most of this on his opinion... AND you are well aware of what is driving your post and its content...
Why I am shredding you ? I am "Shredding" you because I would shred anyone posting crap. If you want to be stand up about it. Admit to everyone why you are making it sound so complex and expensive...
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Now you are totally full of shit and making all sorts of assumptions. Marc helped to stab the trans and helped look at a second valve body to make sure I had all the check valves and balls in the right place. I rebuilt it and can tell you every single part, what it does, and where it sits. Not only that, I went though two complete transmissions - reassembling one which is going in my truck. You are a smart and talented guy Kyle. It does not suit you to make shit up and fabricate your own version of what I am doing when you have never even seen my face.

As far as complexity and price? I just said it was. Call around. See what you see. Being that I had never done this before, I checked all available options and did just that. Decided to do it myself for the education and thrill of doing it right. I learned a lot. We will have to see on the second part.

So what is all this about my motives? I am not sure where you are going and would love for you to elaborate since you know me so well...
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Curtis , you have any interest in trying to sell rebuilt transmissions ?
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Nope - not anymore. We looked into it and frankly, I don't think its a viable option. Computers don't hurt too much when they fall on you so I will stick with consulting. You might want to verify rumors you hear with the actual source before you go making your own assumptions.


 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

The rumors were from the source. And what else would you say at this point ?
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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You asked if I have any interest in rebuilding transmissions. I am saying no. You asked and I am telling. Therefore, that is your source and anything else is not the truth.

Its kinda like the guy from Rover Solutions. I am abolutely positive he has looked into and experimented with all kinds of shit that he decided not to do.
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Curtis , one minute you say there are like three people that can do it. The next minute you say you did it. So does that mean two other then you? One other then you and Mark ? Does the world know about this ?
I always say that if it walks like a duck , and quacks like a duck...... You know the rest

 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Kyle - you keep twisting up what I said so let me help you out again: "...there are only about three people in the country with a good rep for rebuilding them."

Where in there did I say that there are only three people that can do it? Your are flatly making that shit up on your own. And BTW - rebuilding the ZF is not that difficult. Doing it right and getting a good reputation is. I also have no plans on setting up a rebuild shop.

Is it that you can't read, can't understand, or are trying to twist this into your own version? Sounds to me like you are the one with the agenda and false motives here.

if it walks like a duck , and quacks like a duck...... You know the rest. Right back at ya buddy.



 

Greg P. (Gparrish)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Transmissions aside, it's kind of nice to see someone giving Curtis the kind of shit I've watched him dish out to almost everyone else on this board for the past year.
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I have nothing to gain or lose from the thread. Someone trying to make some cash does... And I am not twisting. I am simply putting it how it is. Think about your first post. Think about all your trans posts of late (Half of which are false and I let go) and then think about your ambition to make some cash... Then put them together.. For a guy that has no real back ground in mechanics you have seemed awfully interested in the trans postings lately...
Then think about that statement again. You are again talking like you really know something when you say that there is only about three people in the US with a good reputaion for building them. How the fuck am I twisting this ? YOu are speaking like you have some first hand knowledge of this "Fact" when you know very well taht you dont..
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Greg - I don't dish out shit unless it is deserved.

Kyle - this is kinda like pissing in the wind. I give. You got me. I am plotting to take over the ZF business and maybe rule the world. Whatever floats your boat.

Fact is, you have assumed a lot of things that are just not true. That is pure BS in its most absolute form especially in the way you executed them. Who knows? Maybe there are tons of reputable ZF shops. I heard of three from people who likely have a lot more experience than you and opined as such. Maybe I am wrong. Who really cares?

And BTW - I stand nothing to gain or lose either. I was just trying to help the guys out.
 

flyor (Flyor)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

OK, you guys need to settle down. Here is my experiance with the LR ZF transmission. I worked on LR for 13 years at a LR dealership, that might qualify me to speak on the subject to some of you. I have removed and reinstalled more of these transmissions that I can count. Most of them were swapped out for "factory" remaned units because they were slipping and burnt up, under the factory warrany. Some were removed soley to replace a rear main seal. I used to plan on aprrox 3/4 of a day to R&R the trans. The trans would be removed, the t-box and shifter would then come off and go on the replacement trans and reinstalled. Could you do it quicker? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depended mostly on if some cobbler had to remove the exhaust nuts before, there are some guys in this business that should be pounding soles on shoes rather than working on cars. Let me say for those of you that would like to do this at home, we had a trans jack with the proper adapters for holding the entire trans and t-box together. It is heavy and balanced off center due to the t-box. Can they be rebuilt, yes they can, I rebuilt mine on my modifed 1987 Range Rover for under three hundered dollars. Parts are readily available from Gordon Transmission in Pontiac Michigan. As stated above these are a common transmission in many Europian cars. Curtis, there are more than three people that can do these transmissions. Auto transsmission diagnosis and overhaul are one of the required classes to become a factory certified Land Rover Master Technician. As a side note, I've never had any luck with any of the snake oil transmission additives. MTCW now QW
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Curtis , Awe,,,,and you are better equiped to realise when its needed I suppose.

Flyor , if it takes you that long you are slow....Most trans shops get about 250 to do an R&R& diagnose. When you are making that small amount of cash on a job that the customer may or may not buy then you better be able to do it faster then that. Dealership is a little bit different enviroment....When you are getting an overblown price already its nice to take your time and sip some coffee....
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Flyor , I do agree that many of the people with a wrench in their hand should replace it with a broom.....
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

One more word to Greg - just to keep the facts striaght, I have been dishing out shit for a lot longer than one year:-)
 

Bruce Potier (Brucep)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

OH NO! Is this the end?
 

flyor (Flyor)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Kyle, I didn't say I was fast, but I did do it right. Remember what I said, I was doing most of them under warranty so if it took me 4, 6 or 8 hours I got paid the same. I didn't make the prices I only worked there. I have spent 30 years in this business so I know how to make honest money in it. I've heard all the hero stories. Most of the guys with the hero stories have some cobbler in their blood too. Also, around here "most trans shops" have a very poor reputation, they're considered lower than whale shit. Oh yea, have a nice day.
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Flyor , most trans shops are shit , not just considered shit. But that doesnt make them all shit and it certainly doesnt make dealer mechanics the end all be all. I have seen more good mechanics outside of dealerships then in. As fas as speed is concerned. You might have picked it up a little had you ownder the joint. Its just nuts and bolts. You arent carving or painting some art work. "Through repetition comes perfection"
 

Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4)
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Post Number: 769
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

viva la D-Web. I know zilch about auto-transmissions and my semi drunk reply, flame it all you wish but I think once an autobox has been jeprodized there is no hope for it. Long live the R-380. my .02$ have a nice night

a rebuilt autobox is like titty implant's kinda nice but nothing near as nice as the original no matter how accomadating it was................
 

flyor (Flyor)
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Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

.....I Give........
 

Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle)
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Post Number: 978
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Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

No need to "Give" Flyor cause I agree with you for the most part.
 

gil stevens (Gil)
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Post Number: 450
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"I have seen more good mechanics outside of dealerships then in."

unfortuately, thats the reality. The dealers groom them and pay for their training, then the reallly good ones realize they can make a killing out of the "centre" and off they go to become the dealers competition. The only thing the dealer can do is raid the local meineke and start over. Ive always felt that alot of the problems you read about on this board arent inherent to the vehciles, yet caused by a mechanic who isnt yet up to par.

As for transmissions.. you got to give curtis credit for even giving that rebuild a whirl in his own driveway. I say stick with the R380.. :-)
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Post Number: 1364
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Thanks Gil. I truly think that anyone can do it. The mystery is removed once you have done it. The rule of thumb I was taught was clean, clean,clean. I would be willing to bet that most of the bad rebuilds out there are simply not doing due dilligence and cleaning every single internal part. Once the trans was out and cracked, cleaning took by far the most time.
 

flyor (Flyor)
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Post Number: 96
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Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Raid the local Meineke and start over"? This industry is currently experiancing a technician shortage, and it's not just limited to dealers. Most independent shops are having a hard time finding quaility minded technicans to fill their bays too. A lot of manufactures recognize this issue and are partnering with some large trade schoools to help address this issue. They are sponsoring the top guys in the class to come to their trianing and helping them get job placement. Some of these young guys are better prepared than the older guys in this businss to handle the changing technolagy. Some of the older guys have a narrower vision on how to fix a vehicle. In the old days it was swap a head gasket or clutch assembly. Now it's diagnose a cataylist problem on a mysterious check engine light. Anyone can be trained to replace a clutch, or at least most anyone, however it takes someone with imaginive thinking to diagnose some of todays vehicles. I talk to tecnicians day in and day out as part of my current job and can tell you if I had a vehicle with some unusal propblem I'd bet the new guy could solve it before some older guy whos been changing cylinder head gaskets his whole career. As for Curtis, let us know when it's running down the road again. You can tell us all how there are now four guys that can rebuild one of these ZF transmissions.
 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Post Number: 1368
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Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL. Flyor, I say it again: I never, ever, ever said that there were three people who could rebuild one of these things. I said about three have a good reputation. If you ask our local LR dealer guru mechanic he will tell you one. Beating a dead horse though.

That being said, I hope to road test it tonight or tomorrow so thanks for the good wishes.

 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Post Number: 673
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

sorry for my silence Curtis ,It wasent because of the time factor:-)

In fact I agree with Kyle again about the whole time factor. A friend and I recently did a R&R on a Jeep cherokee sport with a toyota auto in it.(all stock) we R&Red it in about 4 hours on our backs with a rebuild from a dealer of the above link.

Turns out the Torque converter locked up about 500 rpm low causing a huge hesitation. I called the dealer(good friend) and he said "bring it in and we will swap the torque converter". His guy had it out swapped and back in in 1 hour 10 mins. and that was with me talking to him getting in his way.

He has all the correect tools on a roll around with the perfect trans-jack. he never even walked to his main toolbox. he does it all day every day.

the point is Curtis dont make your pain everybodies:-) the job isnt the worst one on the planet. try to pull the ZF on my BMW 750il with its hidden drivline ,2 cats ,2 crossmembers, 4 cooling lines, zero clearence at the bellhousing...ect ect and you will see things could be a whole lot worse...LOL

 

Curtis N (Curtis)
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Username: Curtis

Post Number: 1373
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL. Well Thom, I guess I should have qualified my comments initially. I can only speak from my own experiences. That being said, it will take me a whole lot less time now that I have done it. I have also been painfully slow and careful (same on the trans rebuild) and am replacing much of the entire drivetrain all the way to the hubs.

I did rent a trans jack for reinstallation and that made a tremendous difference. An adaptor plate would have helped also. The fab directions are in the repair manual.

Anyway, I test fired the rig up yesterday before putting on the driveshafts and everything is turning so that is a good sign. Once I weld back up where the PO took a Sawsall to the Y-pipe I should be able to road test it.

That will put the rubber to the road as to whether a slow, uncoordinated, un-mechanically inclined, and unknowledgable guy can remove, rebuild, and reinstall a ZF:-)
 

anthony heflin (Anthony)
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Username: Anthony

Post Number: 22
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I think I can help!!!

Come to Lexington KY, drop, rebuild, and reinstall my transmission. I will time you with my fancy sports watch and post the results!

Sounds like a damn good idea to me!
 

Timothy A. Green (Tree_trimmer)
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Username: Tree_trimmer

Post Number: 86
Registered: 02-2004
Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 02:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I know nothing of Curtis or what he has said in any of his 1373 posts, but I do commend him for attempting a transmission overhaul practically solo. Not being a mechanic myself, all my maintainence and repairs take a substantial amount of time, mostly checking and rechecking everything.

My main question is; however, being relatively new to D-web, what exactly is the role of the moderators?
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
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Username: Muskyman

Post Number: 681
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

new to dweb and the internet I guess:-)
 

James M. Reed (Utahdog2003)
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Username: Utahdog2003

Post Number: 102
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Moderators are here to stoke the fire and promote arguements.

;)
 

James M. Reed (Utahdog2003)
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Post Number: 103
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

...and correct spelling!

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