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     Jeremy (Highmile) Member Username: Highmile Post Number: 63 Registered: 02-2002 |
Thought this was interesting. http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_c ode=index&content_code=05587508 | ||
| Kevin C. Burnett (94rover) Member Username: 94rover Post Number: 43 Registered: 02-2003 |
Interesting Indeed. Doesn't matter, many people unfamiliar with the vehicles will and still call it a "Range Rover"- | ||
| Art Bitterman (Aardvark) Member Username: Aardvark Post Number: 86 Registered: 05-2003 |
so- Will this forum be henceforth known as "LR3-web"?  | ||
| Jason Bard (Jbard) Senior Member Username: Jbard Post Number: 293 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well fuck, it could be worse. At least they're not calling it the Land Rover Explorer....  | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 3072 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hmmm....... Actually, that way we don't have to include it.... -L | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Senior Member Username: Markp Post Number: 265 Registered: 02-2002 |
LR3 ? That sure was creative. Hope that doesn't reflect the level of creativeness at Land Rover marketing. They might be in trouble with the latest round of MBA grads. | ||
| gil stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 408 Registered: 02-2002 |
anybody remember the acura legend? they redesigned it and called it the 3.5 RL.. sales dropped by ridiculous percentages and the car was never even close to the volume that the Legend was. its called brand recognition.. they are abandoning discovery because they think the name is related to reliabilty issues.. surprise surprise. What they dont realise is that "land rover" is related to reliabilty issues, not just discovery. i think its a huge mistake. | ||
| Randy Maynard (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 768 Registered: 08-2002 |
The 3.5TL was also almost $10k more expensive!! | ||
| Bruno Tome (Bruno_tome) Member Username: Bruno_tome Post Number: 59 Registered: 01-2004 |
" but in the States the company plans to focus more attention on the established Land Rover marque than on the vehicle’s nameplate." WTF ? BT. | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 833 Registered: 10-2002 |
Cool, I don't want a plastic box with independant front and rear suspension associated with my beloved rig. | ||
| gil stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 409 Registered: 02-2002 |
"The 3.5TL was also almost $10k more expensive!!" dont worry.. the LR3 will be $10k more expensive as well. | ||
| Eric N (Eric_n) Member Username: Eric_n Post Number: 69 Registered: 01-2004 |
Should just change their name from Land Rover to Street Poser while they are at it. Looks like Jeep sales will be going up in 2005. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 702 Registered: 09-2002 |
LR3 - it has that familiar CRV/MDX ring to it, and what's that hideous Caddy? SRX or some shit. Maybe it's a throw back to the TR8, now that was a good use of the BOP 3.5 SC | ||
| SSV (Susannah) Senior Member Username: Susannah Post Number: 735 Registered: 06-2002 |
What about the Acura SLX or Isuzu Trooper as it really was...that one bombed! I agree whole-heartedly with John Moore. The Disco I is best, Disco II is second best, and this thing is......unknown. | ||
| Bruno Tome (Bruno_tome) Member Username: Bruno_tome Post Number: 60 Registered: 01-2004 |
"What they dont realise is that "land rover" is related to reliabilty issues, not just discovery." I'm somewhat new to this site, but I find it interesting that comments such as the above keep repeating themselves, are Land Rovers really that bad ? I personally own 3, and have in fact been quite impressed by the abuse they seem to endure. The Discovery has given 26K miles of service with nothing more than routine maintenance and one faulty ign. wire (replaced free), it has been cut very little slack on and off road, being driven 75-80mph fully loaded for 11 hrs, then dragged over rocks thru creeks, across miles of 2ft+ deep snow (last weekend)! and all sorts of other tasks not even worth mentioning. The D90 has been as much a pleasure.. taking on all that's thrown at it; repeated 12-14hr road trips followed by rocks, mud, water, pulling on others trucks, etc., etc., this all with simple routine maintenance. Both of these vehicles are used in the above conditions, not on an occasional basis, but rather often - every other wk/nd -. In a recent trip to North Africa, I was astounded by the apparent domination of Land Rover in Expedition use, there were 10 LR's for every 1 unit of other mfg's., are these people ignorant ? are they not aware of these reliability issues ? have I just been fortunate with mine ? I for one, am quite pleased with the service I have been given so far. In fact, given the use these trucks see, I would not be dissapointed if there were more problems to be sorted... BT. | ||
| gil stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 410 Registered: 02-2002 |
bruno.. i own 3 as well, my discovery has been the best vehicle ive ever owned. I lived out of it for 3 months and 15,000 miles this summer, the biggest problem i had was a broken headlight. In the eyes of JD Power, consumer reports etc.. they are awful. I dont think they are half as bad as their reputation. I think alot of it stems from 87-94 when some of them were very very bad. | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Senior Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 307 Registered: 06-2003 |
Bruno, i was in agreement with you till me abs went to shit and evey dealer would feed me constant BS. I also had my rig accelerate instead of breaking while pressing the brake casueing monor accident. The dealer blamed driver error, (dickbag). Then my drive shaft blew up. And the whole time customer service was avoiding me and telling my nothing but BS to avoide them actually dealing with it. About the disco name. I dont see that vehicle selling much. Ford fucked up LR nicely, oh well, im never buying a ford product again so it doesnt really matter. The new shelby sounds interesting though. | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 476 Registered: 07-2002 |
Ford f**ks up everything they get their hands on. We decided to give Ford a chance and bought an Expedition last year, mistake, will never ever buy another Ford product. Will dump it next year for an import. I won't say I will never buy another LR product, but I will say that if I do, it will stay on the street where it belongs. There will be alot of good used cheap soccer mom DI, DII and P38's out there to play with and modify. Maybe Ford should just keep selling the current DII as a more off-road worthy vehicle and market this LR3 POS for the soccer moms. I hope Ford or LR keeps track of these message boards, but they probably could care less about the 1% of us that actually use these off-road. Ford, if you are reading this, I have just filled a NHTSA complaint about our POS Expedition. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Senior Member Username: Markp Post Number: 266 Registered: 02-2002 |
Bruno, I agree with you. My two Rovers have very reliable. I think most people here are voicing their frustration with the overall direction that Land Rover is taking. The article says that Discovery name doesn't have the name recognition in the US. Well, ask someone who makes Range Rover. Then tell them Land Rover. Or reverse. They will look at you confused. Land Rover Range Rover? Land Rover Discovery? ... Land Rover has a problem, not Discovery. So what is a LR3? A non-descript number. No imagery at all. It's the same as all these companies going to artistic emblems instead of spelling out who they are. Unless your familiar with a particular companies product line sometimes you can't tell if its a Honda or a Hyundai or a whatever. I'll have to agree with John, don't associate the Discovery name with a plastic IFR type no-name vehicle. In fact, maybe the next Range Rover should become LR4 just to complete this naming fiasco. | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Senior Member Username: Markp Post Number: 267 Registered: 02-2002 |
Before we compare LR to Fords, I think a better comparison is LR to Jaguar. Look at what Ford has done with Jaguar, not what Ford does with Ford. IMO, Jag is in much better shape than they were. | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 827 Registered: 02-2002 |
Reliable is a relative term. As enthusiasts, we tend to pamper these things with up to date maintenance religously. We also tend to be more patient with the quirks of our beloved trucks. The soccer mom's and latte drinking yuppies out there that bought into Land Rovers solely for the prestige, status symbol, or to make up for certain "short" comings, probably don't have a clue what an oil filter is, or where you put spark plugs in, etc. - hence frequent trips to the dealer where they get screwed royally. These are the same people that JD Powers and others get reports from. That's where Land Rovers get their poor reputation. Although, I don't know about the newer LR products. They do seem to be more unreliable more than the older stuff. A couple of weeks ago there was a thread in the Tech section about DII owners posting engine replacements (albeit under warranty, but some aren't) because of oil consumption issue. Enthusiast or not, that's not acceptable in my book. How can a car manufacturer sell a car for $40,000 build such an engine that's bound to be scrapped before the standard 50K warranty is even over? I would probably be flamed by other D2 owners but I was just simply pointing out that thread that I read here. In all fairness am sure D1s and older RRCs have those issues too. Luckily, I've been fortunate with my 99 D1 and the D90 is almost a year in my possession and has been trouble free so far (although I probably just gave it the kiss of death by posting that - fingers crossed). Glenn | ||
| Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) Member Username: Norm Post Number: 125 Registered: 02-2003 |
After reviewing my past experience with the Discovery and looking at what Ford plans to shove down the pipeline, I have a few ideas for a name for the "Disco" replacement: The 2005 Land Rover Poseur The 2005 Land Rover Mall Crawler The 2005 Land Rover Electro-Gremlin or, more to the point: The 2005 Land Rover Piece of Crap ---Norm | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 633 Registered: 02-2002 |
i think LR3 goes well with SLS, ETC, ACE, LPT, PRL, FLL, ACDC, RDF, RTT, SMTCF, etc... Ho Chung | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 206 Registered: 10-2002 |
H2 H3 LR3 This creativity is impressive. Can't LRNA LEAD instead of FOLLOW? | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 829 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ho, it also goes well with WTF?! Glenn | ||
| Matt Anderson (Disco01) Senior Member Username: Disco01 Post Number: 282 Registered: 10-2003 |
Mark is exactly right, Jag has really turned their quality issues around and definitely make vehicles that compete in terms of quality and reliability with the best of them. I think we should keep in mind that it really may be too early to make a call on whether they will change the name or not. I personally hope that they do, just as long as they dont discontinue the current model. Look at what Jeep did with the Cherokee. It was slated for replacement by the Grand in 93!Sales did not falter a bit and they kept it in production for roughly 10 more years. Why they changed the name to Liberty I have no clue, as it is still the Cherokee in the rest of the world. Anyhow just my quick thoughts. | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 477 Registered: 07-2002 |
I agree, Ford did turn around Jag in terms of product reliability. But have you seen the styling and design of the new Jags? The X-type looks like a pimped up Ford Contour/Mondeo. The new XJ just doesn't wow me like the Jags of old. And now we have the LR3, yes it will probably be more reliable than current LR offerings, but will it make you want to buy one? If you are basing it just on reliability alone, then I would buy a Honda. I put up with my old RR's problems because I know it can take a beating. They also have an emotional connection like the first time I saw a Jag as a kid. With the LR3 and new Jags there just isn't anything there. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1352 Registered: 09-2002 |
come to think of it, I consistently hear my friends referring to my Discovery as "Land Rover," and Range Rovers as, well, Range Rovers. So, maybe, there's some truth to the notion that Discovery nameplate doesn't ring well in people's ears. Alan, the X-type _is_ a pimped out Ford Mondeo. It doesn't spend most of it's time in a shop, but it lost the Jag flavor completely. | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 645 Registered: 02-2002 |
i think they should call it D3. Ho Chung | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1353 Registered: 09-2002 |
D3 I like. as in  | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Senior Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 284 Registered: 10-2002 |
It's as if the idea was to use a name so colorless, bland, emotionless, and nondescript that no one will refer to the LR3 as anything but just "my Land Rover." And that will "focus more attention on the established Land Rover marque" quite well, actually. Ford have, it seems, deliberately removed any brand association from the Discovery in order to force owners and prospective buyers to focus only on the larger Land Rover brand. | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Senior Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 285 Registered: 10-2002 |
They've used the LR3 name before! What a fine brand. See http://www.psf.co.uk/landrov.htm | ||
| Sean Roche (Crazy_fish) New Member Username: Crazy_fish Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2003 |
Land Rover Press Release: NEW! Yes completely new! Announcing the LR3! Its NOTHING like the Discovery you have all come to know and love, its got a different name plate! Perfect for EVERY occasion, such as mall parking, trips to home renovation stores ( please rent vehicle to deliver your selections ), camping ( please bring your Hilton preferred card), off roading ( your neighbors gravel driveway ), Land Rover sponsored Events ( Dealer parking lot), highway cruising ( watch out for potholes ) and of course driving through town! Don't worry about parts and upgrades from English vendors. It only takes an extra 30 seconds to explain that your LR3 is what the damn English call a Discovery. So what if LR3.com is taken by a Florida corporation selling insurance in Oklahoma! This press release was brought to you buy Land Rover Discovery errr LR3 Headquarters Dept of Ridiculous Names. Please send all inquires and complaints to LR3. We're sure we won't get them and so can safely say we never got any. | ||
| Sean Roche (Crazy_fish) New Member Username: Crazy_fish Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2003 |
Land Rover Press Release: NEW! UPDATE! Yes completely new! Announcing the LR3! Not the shoe, the vehicle! Its NOTHING like the Discovery or the LR3 shoe you have all come to know and love, its got a different name plate! ( the shoe is the same, the LR3, the vehicle is the same, no wait, its different, now what LR3 where we talking about?) Perfect for EVERY occasion, ( both the shoe and vehicle) such as mall parking, trips to home renovation stores ( please rent vehicle to deliver your selections ), camping ( please bring your Hilton preferred card), off roading ( your neighbors gravel driveway ), Land Rover sponsored Events ( Dealer parking lot), highway cruising ( watch out for potholes ) and of course driving through town! Buy the LR3 today! ( the vehicle, not the shoe, well actually buy one while using the other - thats clear isn't it?) Don't worry about parts and upgrades from English vendors. It only takes an extra 30 seconds to explain that your LR3 ( the vehicle, not the shoe) is what the damn English call a Discovery. Just remember the LR3 shoe has laces, the LR3 Vehicle does not. Both LR3's come in 4 colors and with hand stitched leather and street ready rubber on the bottom. So what if LR3.com is taken by a Florida corporation selling insurance in Oklahoma! So what if we already licenced the LR3 name to a shoe, just pretend you didn't notice. This press release was brought to you buy Land Rover Discovery errr LR3 Headquarters Dept of Already Used Names. Please send all inquires and complaints to LR3 ( the vehicle or the shoe). We're sure we won't get them and so can safely say we never got any. | ||
| BJ Turner (Wturner) Senior Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 256 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well they can keep the god damn thing. Discovery is dead to me anyway when the piece of shit '05 hits, so it's better that they let the name die with the vehicle! SCREW LR/Ford in the ASS. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 1079 Registered: 09-2002 |
Wondering what Alyssa has to say when she has to start selling these in 6 months or so. | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Senior Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 290 Registered: 10-2002 |
Time (and trails) will tell. Although with each photo I see, I like the looks of the "LR3" less and less, the engineers who designed it are not the marketing fools who renamed it. Who knows how it might actually perform off-road, and that's what would matter to me. | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 441 Registered: 08-2003 |
"NEW! Yes completely new! Announcing the LR3! Its NOTHING like the Discovery you have all come to know and love,..." GOOD! I don't want that POS associated with my truck anyways. | ||
| Bob Shinn (Bshinn) Member Username: Bshinn Post Number: 77 Registered: 01-2004 |
Alan, She prolly won't say a damn thing, she'll just laugh all the way to the bank. | ||
| Will Selden (Ncrcwill) New Member Username: Ncrcwill Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2004 |
LR3 (Lucas Returns 3) |
