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     Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 749 Registered: 04-2001 |
Ok, I am definately going with the GLOCK in a 10mm (BTW it is 5:30am and I am still burning on the memo). What I need to know is which one? (I know shoot them all and see but I want opinions) I had initially ruled out the cricket, but now that I am thinking about it, it has 10 rounds and it is lighter and more concealable, but how bad is it to fire? Also is the comped version worth getting on the 20 if I go that route? Gimick or does it work? Finally, what about pre-ban mags for it? How much $$$ and what is the capacity and are they available? Double finally what is the best (price no object) load for it. One shot, stop and kill. And also what should I practice with. Thanks, Ron | ||
| Matt (Doc175) Member Username: Doc175 Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2002 |
I really can not answer the question about which Glock, as I'm not a fan. If you feel comfortable, go with it. You will find this out, but I'm willing to bet that the cricket will have a significantlly larger recoil. If you have big hands you might not have an issue with the recoil but it might not feel good to hold. IMHO the comped version of any weapon is not worth it. It is a gimmic that real shooters typically stay away from. The supossed decrease in the recoil does not outwiegh the increase in difficulty it creates in gaining a second shot picture. For everyday carry I like hydroshock or a similar round. There are many different types but for the amout you will shoot it (hopefully never) don't pay a a ton. For a practice round, just shoot ball. Match grade is better powder and a cleaner round but I know it is about $1/ round with .45. Just for practice you could get a reload. It shoots fine, just dirty. You will have to clean you gun more often. | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 439 Registered: 08-2003 |
Seems like Ho's persistance paid off...  | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 587 Registered: 10-2002 |
Again I have to point out that the Glock 10mm's have a very wide slide and are subsequently heavier and bulkier than the .40 cal models. Also on the sub-compact (noisy cricket) the grip is so short you can only wrap two fingers around it and your pinky curls below the magazine. The recoil is so strong and your grip is so weak that with any rapid fire it starts to work it's way loose in your hand. That said I can pretty much put the first and second rounds on target. After that... However, it does happen to fit PERFECTLY in the center console of a disco. You need to go shoot these pistols. I'd be AMAZED if you shot the 10s and still thought they were the ideal choice for a CC gun. And remember, when you're a big time partner at Morgan Lewis, your office will be in one of the safer parts of Center City but if you still feel nervous you can just send one of the paralegals who sleep in the conference rooms to go get your car. | ||
| Dean Chrismon (Chrismonda) Member Username: Chrismonda Post Number: 183 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ron I would go with the Glock .45 compact single stack. The pistol has a thinner grip and is easier to hold."ie" longer handle. I have shot this shoots good and is easy to handle. | ||
| Danno (Danno) Senior Member Username: Danno Post Number: 372 Registered: 08-2002 |
i think you are making the wrong choice with the 10mm. you also have to think if your strong hand is disabled, can you shoot with your weak hand? what if Alyssa is with you, you are knocked out and she needs to shoot? you have to make sure she can handle it as well. bigger and faster doesn't mean squat if you can't hit what you are aiming for. what ever you choose, practice with the ammo that you carry. | ||
| Tom J (Tom_j) New Member Username: Tom_j Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2003 |
Getting the Glock is a good choice, but I have to question why you want a 10mm unless you plan on hunting with it. While the 10mm is undeniably powerful, there are also overpenetration issues that go along with it. I would personally go with the Glock 30 (.45 sub compact). It is still easy to control since .45 recoil is more of a shove than it is snappy. The G30 factory mags have a 10 round capacity, but it will accept higher capacity mags from the .45 Glock 21 for home defense situations, although they will protrude past the grip. Plus, as Jack mentioned, the "baby Glocks" fit perfectly in a Disco's center console. | ||
| Andy Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 580 Registered: 04-2003 |
.45ACP subcompact, with pre-ban clips. That way you get more rounds and have more grip to, well, grip... Or get a grip extender for it... And while you're at it, get a good CC holster for the small of your back so you can carry it anywhere! | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2002 |
I recently bought the baby Glock .40, and am surprisingly happy with it. It is the first Glock I've really shot much. More accurate than I thought, with that short of a barrel. With the magazine grip extension it isn't too bad, and my hands are pretty good size. I've got a full size 9mm (Browning Hi-Power), so I was looking for something a bit more concealable, but with more oomph than the 9. Federal Hydro-shock's seem like one of the best stoppers out there, although I usually alternate them with one solid/one hydro-shock throughout the magazine, in case penetration is an issue. | ||
| Donald (Dsmcf) Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 114 Registered: 11-2003 |
Second the comments preferring .45ACP over 10mm however this is not intended to be a round religion post... 1. To C or not to C. Compensated for carry is a Bad Idea. Try some retention drills / close quarters shooting, and you will end up burning your non-shooting hand. And the performance improvement is very modest anyway. 2. Newman, unless you are already paralysed from L3 down I would suggest that you avoid carrying in the small of the back. Fall onto it and you might regret it for a long time. Not to mention it is a weaker retention position anyway. Personally if carrying on or around the belt I am a fan of strong side carry. Just remember to practice drawing with your weak hand. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1176 Registered: 05-2002 |
Ron - Frankly I am blown away at your newfound love of a Glock 10mm. How in the hell can you want something that you have never shot is a mystery to me. You started another post asking what you should get. Anyone with 1/2 or better of a decent opinion told you to go to the range and shoot a few guns to see what work best. You obviously have not done this. Conclusion: you are full of crap. Alyssa was right. You only need a grease gun and you should be cautious even with that. /Curtis | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 751 Registered: 04-2001 |
Thanks for the advice all, Curtis I am going to go shoot a bunch I just wanted to cut down the number of guns to try. If I feel like a 10mm is not too much that is what I am going with. Like the others said you don't have to have a full 200 load in it, but if I am comfortable I can step up with it. I have done my research and I think I know where I am going with it. Ron | ||
| Greg P. (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1583 Registered: 11-2003 |
Ron, I still am curious to hear what type of scenario you see yourself getting into to need such a gun. I mean, the other posters on this board seem to me to be just gun collectors or people that purely enjoy shooting. In your case, you popped up outta nowhere asking for the best carry gun to put a man down with one shot. I mean, now that you've posted this on a public forum, if you go out and buy this gun and really do shoot someone, is it truly self defense? I mean, if you kill someone with a 10mm, when a .22 caliber would have detoured them or simply injured them and allowed you to escape, then haven't you crossed the line? To simply carry such a gun on a daily basis without being a practicing professional or a long time gun user, seems to me to be a little bit careless. Maybe you are just looking for the best gun in the way that people strive for the best rover, but I think from reading all the posts that you are sensationalizing the need for this gun beyond reality. So, again I repose my first question of what type of situation or scenario do you see yourself getting into to need such a gun? | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 752 Registered: 04-2001 |
Basically as an associate at a philadelphia or wilmigton firm I will be downtown walking from the build to my car anywhere between 8pm and 2am, then driving home. This, and the required dress, makes me a target for theft, assault, etc. It was less of a big deal when I worked at the bank because, 1. I took the train (which seemed reasonably safe), and 2. The walk was all underground if it was late and I was worried and very short for a block of market near city hall. and 3. It was business casual so I could wear a polo and a jacket. As far as the "best gun," yes, thats precisely it. I am only getting one and I want it to be effective on one shot. "I mean, if you kill someone with a 10mm, when a .22 caliber would have detoured them or simply injured them and allowed you to escape, then haven't you crossed the line?" This is faulty legal reasoning. If you have the justification to use deadly force (any force causing serious injury or death) then you are justified in killing. If you are justified the law does not care if you shot someone and they lived or they died. If you are not justified it obviously matters. On the otherhand, if you shot someone with a 22, and they are merely injured and now really mad, then they are probably going to be shotting back or trying to stab you, beat you or whatnot, whereas a 10mm is more apt to put them down so you can get away (somehow I doubt I will be winning any footraces with criminals). So as long as the second amendment is in the constitution, I plan on getting a gun. I will take the course, get a CCW, and test fire a few before I buy as suggested, and I hope I will never have to use it, but it will make me feel a lot better about the situation and that is value enough. Ron | ||
| Billy Deakins (Discodog) New Member Username: Discodog Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2003 |
I have a Glock 26 subcompact 9mm and love it. As far as the grip goes, I bought attachments that slide onto the bottom of the magazines and provide an extra finger grip for the pinky. It works great and I haven't had them work loose in my hand at all. I would stay away from the 10mm to and go with a .40 or 9mm. Rounds are less expensive for those. I love the subcompact though for it's ease of carry and small, hideable size! | ||
| Greg P. (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1584 Registered: 11-2003 |
Okay Ron. That post at least sounds like you have put some thought into this. Your initial posts sound sort of maniacal. I was worried that you were tripping on some sort of hollywood dream of what could happen. | ||
| Marc M (Mosi) Member Username: Mosi Post Number: 48 Registered: 09-2002 |
I carry a Glock 27 .40 sub and it's perfect for me. I can put a 6" group at 25 feet with 10rds in 3-4 second rapid fire, so they are pretty accurate with practice. Also added the Meprolight night sites as well as a Lasermax incase of a home invasion at night... don't want any of those rounds going into another house ya know. Also, you will learn this in your CCW class, but you may want to stop saying "shoot to kill". It is always "shoot to stop". Also, you are going to want a good concealment holster I assume? After trying about 4 different holsters, I went with the IWB (inside waist band) kydex holster from Comptac http://www.comp-tac.com/ I have the CTAC model and it's very comfy with no "tumor" effect. They now have the new Vclips that are more stealthy.. good for the suit and tie look. | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 756 Registered: 04-2001 |
Has anyone seen the clips with the grip extender on them? I can't find one on gunbroker. Ron | ||
| Billy Deakins (Discodog) New Member Username: Discodog Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2003 |
Ron, Here's a link to a set on ebay. That's where I bought mine. If you don't like these, keep checking ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3662239782&category=36258 | ||
| Andrew Lenz (Alenz) New Member Username: Alenz Post Number: 18 Registered: 09-2003 |
I suggest http://www.kimberamerica.com/ultra.php don't worry about only having 7 rounds. I've read that 99% of the time only a few rounds are ever fired and it's all over. You don't want to be in a situation where you have to fire more then this. If you can, better to run away and be alive... also, I am taking Aikido lessons. This is a very good martial art to study! I've seen amazing things at Aikido. Andrew | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luisc) Member Username: Luisc Post Number: 188 Registered: 02-2003 |
Only one gun will do. The H&K P7M8 or M13. But for the price, you could have two Glocks. |
