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     BJ Turner (Wturner) Senior Member Username: Wturner Post Number: 264 Registered: 02-2002 |
http://www.mengr.tamu.edu:70/courseaccounts/meen381-weese/MD80Landing%20Test.mpg I am not sure if this link will work, as it is from a class page that I have to log into. Give it a shot though, because it is pretty cool. | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 361 Registered: 05-2003 |
Yeah, it works. I guess that was supposed to happen since it was a test? | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ahhh, you don't really need the tail once the wheels are on the ground.  pwc | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1364 Registered: 09-2002 |
To me, it looks like they intentially slammed the plane on the ground like people never do in normal flight. MD80 is (was) a great aircraft, I like it much more than 737. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2515 Registered: 02-2002 |
Yep, got to love flight test. The MD-80 built by McDonnel Douglas was a good airplane. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1365 Registered: 09-2002 |
have you guys read - who's book that was, Hailey's? - revolving around pilot-induced oscillations? ... now I know it's also called "runaway trim"... | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 185 Registered: 03-2003 |
I'm curious as to what would make an MD-80 better than a 737? | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2003 |
Diaper changing stations in the bathrooms. You can laugh, but that's why I like Airbus better than most Boeing jets in the mid sizes. I know it depends on the carrier and the trim package they use, but I've been on more Boeing planes missing this wonderful feature than on MD-80s or Airbus that haven't. That one little folding shelf goes a long way to making a 6 hour flight more enjoyable. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2519 Registered: 02-2002 |
...pilot-induced oscillations? That's what happened to the first YF-22. Pilot came down low for a photo shot, hit the burners, and the next thing he knew; he was sliding down the runway. Ian, Both the MD-80 and -737 were great workhorses. The 737 had a rudder problem and the MD80 had an elevator problem. It all comes down to customer preference. Peter, I have flown in both Airbus and Boeing jets. Until you have flown in a 777, overseas, you haven't lived. Fly over to the EU on a British Airways 777 in world class. Man, I am telling you; it's a piece of heaven. IMHO, the Airbus interior rattles too much. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1367 Registered: 09-2002 |
LOL Paul, most flying I see is in King Air B200. BTW, I very much like it, better even than P3. | ||
| Art Bitterman (Aardvark) Member Username: Aardvark Post Number: 90 Registered: 05-2003 |
Would hate to do the FOD Walk after that! | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 579 Registered: 02-2002 |
My uncle flew 737 and MD80 for years and said he didn't like the electronics in the MD80 - or the Airbus for that matter. 'Course, he cut his teeth in a CH53 in Vietnam, so that might explain a lot. e | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 186 Registered: 03-2003 |
Peter C, I can see your point. Typically modern airbus cabins are better than the older Boeing designs. Paul, As far as the elevator problems in the MD-80 go, that jack screw failure was purely a maintenance error in my opinion. Sure there is no back up but it works fine if corners aren't cut in maintenance. As far as the 737 having rudder problems, has anyone really determined what caused the rudder to jam? I know Boeing upgraded the system but as far as I know they could find no proof there was a fault in their design. To me both 737 accidents still seem to be a bit of a mystery. I'm partial to the 737 in anycase. Basically because it's a pilots airplane. It also has better single engine performance and range. On paper the A320 beats both, but I'm not a fan of what's in the cockpit or Airbus's sales tactics for that matter. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2003 |
Paul, I am taking a trip overseas in a while. economy was $750. Business is $4300.  As much as I'd like to fly a newer 777 busniess class, I just don't see it happening. As it is, I've never been on an Airbus 330 (which I will this trip) or a 777. I was mainly commenting on the midsized craft. If they both have diaper changing stations, then I'd base my opinion on some actual merits of the aircraft, although the Airbus planes I've been on have been quiter that equal sized Boeings. Ironically enough, I typed in airbus 330 into the google image search. the second picture is of a 777 enterior. pwc | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 757 Registered: 07-2002 |
Complaining about rattling interiors and you drive a Land Rover? I agree with you though, the Airbus is sweet looking inside, but not really that much more comfortable. They do have nice panels though, Boeing is finally starting to put those glass panels in all their planes. The MD-80's were a lot easier to load and move around than the 737 while on the ground. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2521 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ian, I am not quite sure of the exact part, but we had to redesign a hydraulic valve (sequencing?) to fix the rudder. The MD-80 elevator thing was pure maintenance....or a lack there of. Ever hear about the MD-80 that had an engine let go of a compressor rotor? Damn thing tore through the cabin. Peter, Fortunately for me, my company pays my airfare for business. I tried to upgrade at an American desk from Coach to business on one UK trip. The chick replied back with, "How would you like to pay that $8000?" I was speechless. I kept thinking of the scene in Pulp Fiction regarding the $5 shake... RB,
LOL. My D2 new = 34K. A new Airbus A330 = $147 Million Euro. I expect no rattles for that kind of change. | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Senior Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 300 Registered: 11-2002 |
Six out of the seven times I have boarded and Airbus, I had to get off because the thing took a shit right there on the ramp. Every MD-88 and Boeing I have flown on never had any trouble. To echo what Paul said, the British Airways 777 is by far the best air travelling experience. Thing was comfortable! When I boarded the Boeing, it was old school style. We went out on the ramp and climbed up the stairs into the aircraft instead of a walkway at a gate. It was pretty cool. Either way, Airbus aircraft are better built than Beechcraft Skippers..... Max T. | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 187 Registered: 03-2003 |
Paul, I forgot about that uncontained engine failure. Definitely was ugly. If I remember right, it was a Delta flight and two passengers actually died from that compressor entering the cabin. Might have been worse if they had reached V1. Max, If Airbus really made airplanes that had a 14% dispatch reliability why would any airline buy one? They have or are close to surpasing Boeing in airliner sales. I'm not a fan of Airbus but you cannot deny they make a decent product in many respects. The only complaint I have about the 777 is that as a coach passenger the entertainment system took most of the room under the seat in front of me. Otherwise an awesome airplane. | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 585 Registered: 02-2002 |
Your Airbus experience has been my MD-80 experience - two flights cancelled due to circuit breakers throwing in the cockpit. I'd prefer to take my chances (and lose a little hearing) in a real Douglas like a DC-3. Granted, you get wherever you're going three days later. e | ||
| OLIVER CLOTHSOFF (Everythingleaks) Senior Member Username: Everythingleaks Post Number: 344 Registered: 10-2002 |
If the French made airbus is anything like the renualt my mom used to own I would rather hitch-hike. I think they show you how to hitch-hike in the Renualt owners manual for as often as it left her stranded. | ||
| Kenny Bissett (Jetson) Member Username: Jetson Post Number: 150 Registered: 07-2003 |
I hope no one was in the rear lavatory when it landed! That's why they want you sitting in your seat... LOL | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Senior Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 302 Registered: 11-2002 |
"If Airbus really made airplanes that had a 14% dispatch reliability why would any airline buy one?" Thats what I want to know!!!! Max T. | ||
| Will Selden (Ncrcwill) New Member Username: Ncrcwill Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2004 |
How about that Aloha B737 that became a convertible during flight yet still landed safely | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 597 Registered: 02-2002 |
Here's an interesting page Boeing has up on their fleet of 737s: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_facts.html And, up to the minute stats on hull-loss incidents / fatalities for 737, MD80 and Airbus 300(a). The collective 737 fleet has had 115 hull-loss incidents (2950 fatalities) since 1970, the MD80 model 15 (691 fatalities) since 1980, and Airbus with 24 losses (1416 fatalities) on the 300a model alone since 1980. As a benchmark, the DC-3 / C47 / R4 / C53 variant Douglas planes had 1356 hull-loss occurences between 1942 and 2004 (7628 fatalities). Although C47 is designated, it does not include military losses on this craft according to the report. e |
