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     Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 157 Registered: 05-2003 |
On my way home tonight, I noticed about a dozen brand new Discos at the Ford Dealership - all of them still had the protective plastic covers on their exterior panels. Are they going to sell Land Rovers now? | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Senior Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 290 Registered: 12-2003 |
they wouldn't dare. They would loose a lot of their customers. Someone spending 70K+ on a new range rover is not going to want to be in a showroom with soccor moms looking at minivans. I can't see them doing that. The only make's i've seen land rover share a dealership with have been jaguar, aston martin, and bentley. Maybe that's just me but if i was buying a new range rover i wouldn't want to buy it at a Ford dealer. Cheers Jack | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 857 Registered: 02-2002 |
How about the soccer moms that buy a Disco? Would they be "cross-sold" into a Ford Windstar instead?  It will also amplify the similarity of the Freelander and the Escape to the masses I think...lol | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 1161 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yeesh, I don't know how much I'd like going to a dealer that had a Disco and right across from it was an Explorer. Besides, LR dealers have character with their safari themes and their cool videos on all the time. Walking into a Ford dealership feels like walking into a high-school cafeteria. | ||
| Bud Lane (Hrrovr) New Member Username: Hrrovr Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2003 |
Just from a marketing perspective, I don't think it would make sense to have Land Rovers available at Ford Dealerships. If I'm not mistaken, PAG has taken some steps to consolidate dealerships within that group. I think we might see more combined LR/Jag dealerships. This could extend the number of locations and still retain the high price point and "Premier" image. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 966 Registered: 02-2002 |
it is done in other parts of the world. in Buenos Aires, Argentina the Ford dealership has a section for Land Rover and a new RR was present along with a very nice 110. from a service aspect it would be cool. a few more Ford outlets than LR. Jaime  | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1444 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jack, crack dealers aside, it's been my long-time observation that people who do have serious money tend to count them carefully. If it costs $3k less off the lot, and the Ford dealer charges $70 an hour as opposed to $95 at Land Rover's, who'd give a shit about being _seen_ at a Ford dealership? BTW, worries about being _seen_ in other-than-top-buck-places is so pimp... or gangsta. | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) Senior Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 714 Registered: 04-2003 |
$70 an hour for service at a Ford dealer....ouch, it is only $45 here in the town I live in. I would love to see my local dealer selling Rovers, I might have a better chance of getting parts at a resonable cost and time frame.... | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 623 Registered: 10-2002 |
our local rover dealership is also a porsche dealership. kinda convenient if i want to get really done up simultaneously by two different marques! | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) New Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2004 |
They're probably gearing up to sell LR3s at the local Ford dealership because they know the LR3s won't make over the obstacle course at the Land Rover "Centre". (BTW, I wonder if a Freelander has made it over the obstacle course in one piece.) Next thing you know, they'll demolish the obstacle courses altogether and put in a couple of Conniston green speed bumps in their place to show off LR's "Mall Rated" prowess. That's going to be humiliating for LR -- selling the LR3 as nothing more than a upscale trim level of the Exploder. | ||
| dhk (Kay_tell) New Member Username: Kay_tell Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2004 |
a least its ford and not other of the big three! | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 615 Registered: 02-2002 |
My Freelander did the obstacle course just fine. 'Course they have twice modified the breakover section. First for the new Range Rover in '01, and again for the Freelander in '02. e | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2003 |
"That's going to be humiliating for LR " Why? If they sell more, why would they be humiliated? It's a Ford product now people, get over it. LR was sold with Jag and such before when they were more independent and had a high priced reputation. We'll, they're owned by Ford now, who has different ideas than previous owners. If I'm in the market to buy a truck, I don't care who's lot it is on or what their theme is. What would you all say if they sold old style Defenders (not the concepts that have been shown) at Ford dealers? Would you mind so much that it sat next to an Explorer? Or would you just be happy to buy it, even though it could be considered a scaled down Expedition? Stop worrying about image and buy the truck you want for its merrits, not because it sat next to a Jag in the show room and they had a Rhino on the wall with a Camel Trophy video playing. You're not going to hunt Rhino and you're not going to be in the Trophy, you're just going to drive your Rover on pavement 90% or more of the time. pwc | ||
| dhk (Kay_tell) New Member Username: Kay_tell Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2004 |
life is a funny one! and i belive that the lotus sports cars are also ford owned! | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 531 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hmmmm-That's news to me. I believe Lotus is still owned by Proton (Malaysia). They are importing the Elise with the Toyota 16v 4 cyl engine and I can't see Ford approving that. | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) New Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2004 |
It's going to be humiliating to LR trying to pass off a rebadged Exploder as "the best 4x4xfar" -- it'll be the "best 4x4xclone." It'll be even more humiliating to someone who buys one and takes it off road. The Freelander was a step in the wrong direction, now the LR3 and the "Range Stormer" will be even worse. I guess they're going to have to throw out all those exhibits in the dealerships showing how superior Land Rover is off road because of the solid axels and the heavy ladder frame. These will be nonexistant on future Rovers -- substituted with (gasp!) more Rover electrical contrivances guaranteed to break down at the worst possible moment. In the future, Land Rover will be a mere shadow of it's former self, still trading on the safari image. Land Rover will NEVER bring the Defender back to the US in it's present form -- they're too scared of "product liability" lawsuits in case some idiot rolls his truck on the trail and tries to blame the factory. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 668 Registered: 11-2002 |
more millionaires drive fords then all other makes combined. ford knows it and dosent care about what the current rover market thinks. in business most growth comes from new customers, for every 1 current rover owner that would feel strange pulling into a ford dealer there are hundreds of ford customers that will flock to the new land rover section at the ford dealer. and for all you guys that say it wont happen  .....have you noticed all the super high end cars that get traded in at dodge dealers on vipers? Thom | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 761 Registered: 02-2003 |
My recent visit to LR Asheville in NC, there were more Jags than Land Rovers, just think if there were Rover techs at the Ford dealership's | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2003 |
Well, if it's humiliating to them, it will be humiliating to you to. Can you imagine when the unwashed masses starting going to Ford and seeing the new Discovery? They will start associating it as a Ford product and every Disco they see will be a Ford in their eyes. YOU'RE Disco will be a Ford in their eyes. The good part is people will stop calling them Toyota Land Rovers. I agree with Musky, it's about money. Let some other marque company start making really great off-road trucks for a small niche market, Ford has a much larger market to sell to and make a profit from more easily. Not that I agree with it, but that's one look at the economics anyway. pwc PS, Land Rover will NEVER bring the Discovery back in its present form either. Nor will they make that hideuous looking 80s Mustang. It's called refining a product line until people stop buying it. In the case of the Mustang, they had a great product originally, changed it some and messed it up, and then improved on that bad design eventually. Your best bet is to hope no one buys this model even though that means it will just become something else and never the original again. | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) New Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2004 |
I don't know, Jeep seems to sell a hell of a lot of Wranglers, which is a pretty basic, "antiquated" vehicle, and the Rubicon looks pretty capable off road right out of the showroom. Like them or not, you have to admit that Wranglers in various configurations appeal to A LOT of people, from the poseur to the serious off roader. My chief complaint with the Rubicon is that it's too damn small for me to carry all my family in. I would prefer a Defender 90 or a 110 -- just a basic, easily maintained off road vehicle without all the typical LR electronic contrivances that are prone to go haywire at the worst moment. The Defender is a much better truck than the Wrangler, IMO, and they'd sell a lot of them here. Obviously, they're appealing vehicles, otherwise people wouldn't be paying upwards of $60K for a used '93 NAS 110. The problem is, Ford/LR is just too gutless and lazy to bring them back. They know that the majority of people (poseurs and soccer moms) are so enthralled with the "marque" that they'll buy LRs based on the safari image alone -- even if they aren't selling an honest to goodness off road capable vehicle in the US. The way it looks now, the future of LR (in the US, at least) looks BORING and eventually it's going to come back and bite LR in the ass. But as long as they can keep pumping the safari image (with pasty LR "Centre" salesmen in bush jackets and shorts, no less), LR will keep selling vehicles based on image alone. Just like Harley Davidson, sad to say. | ||
| dhk (Kay_tell) New Member Username: Kay_tell Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2004 |
sorta like when the classic range rover ended. people thought that was it. all the new changes and what not. why the defenders are not here is beyond me. but thats business i guess. its too bad but technology and change always prevails. soon the rovers will be electric or water based and the concept cars will be here to stay. imagine if someone from the 1912's could see the world as it is today. and todays cars compared to then! it would be interesting. | ||
| Ryan Graham (Ryangraham) Member Username: Ryangraham Post Number: 76 Registered: 01-2004 |
Looking at the posts in this thread I have a few comments: Land Rovers at a Ford dealership doesn't mean anything. They will sell more land rovers that way. And let me say something that hasnt been said on this board yet, it might hurt a little. Despite all our opinions about the new disco, no one has driven or even physically touched one, let alone taken it out and beatin the guts out of it to see what it can do. Maybe we should save our engine/suspension bashing until we do. Here's another fact that might hurt...even if the new disco is the biggest piece of station wagon garbage, it is still going to set sales records for land rover. People are eating up luxury suv's. Other comments have been made about ford "screwing" up land rover, but the new F150 is one nice ass truck and the 2005 Mustang is definitely a step in the right engine/design direction. Also, during the redesign of the mustang, ford visited bulletin boards just like this one to find out what mustang owners really wanted in the new mustang (hence the solid rear axle remains). Don't shoot down the Defender return yet...has anyone seen the new Bronco prototype (it looks classic and has a diesel)? From what I hear in news releases Ford is pretty much leaving Land Rover alone as far as their direction is concerned, and what could it hurt to have the financial backing of Ford? I suspect the range stormer concept came from Ford backed dollars. One last thing. When GM took over Hummer, Hummer die hards had all the same concerns. And I'll be the first to admit that I hate seeing GM buttons in the new H1, but other than that, look at how that brand has grown. Sorry this is so long. | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) New Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2004 |
My God, Ryan, have you been brainwashed by all the Ford propaganda on their website? Or, are you a car salesman at the Ford/LR "Centre" trying drum up business? | ||
| Rupert J (Tehamarx) Member Username: Tehamarx Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2002 |
Disco deke -- Clean up your act. You're sounding like a troll. Watch those personal attacks. You can be banned if you're not careful. | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Senior Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 397 Registered: 06-2003 |
LOL i wonder what it would take to get banned? I dont think being disapointed with the LR3 can do it. Hed have to post the "Hello and welcome to last week pic". I have it saved if anyone wants it. the lr3 looks like its going to be a pos but ill wait to see it in person till i write a full review. The mustang looks like a step in the right direction, but i also do not like the looks of the new f150. Ford should work on making over LR customer service first before pumping any more $ into useless concepts. The LR name is goign to be more dilluted with mallcrawlers and soon everyone will be calling your disco a ford. were just gonna have to get used to it. Im happy its not being called a disco so at least that name remains somewhat safe. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2003 |
Banned for that??? HAHAHAHA!!! You gotta try a lot harder than that to get banned. Ryan, if you search through the archives you would find a number of arguements against your position about not judging something until you touched it. It comes down to the independent suspension has limits the solid axles can surpass. That's why some people center on that aspect, because it has known limits off-road. As for the actual engine, hell, I'd love one right now. Also, it is way more costly to modify that kind of setup and there are more limits there too. That's why people say it's not as good off road. So it doesn't hurt anyone, it's just a fact that it has less ability than say, a 97 Willow Green Disco all things equal. Personally, it would be fine for 80% of the time I'm off-road (read: not that often nowadays) but the people here are more interested in seeing that other 20% where its limits would be obvious. It may or may not set sales records. It doesn't "hurt" to know you don't have a crystal ball and are just taking a guess. As for Hummer....pleaaaase. Look at how they took a cool truck with some ability and turned it into a minivan. pwc | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Senior Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 398 Registered: 06-2003 |
Peter, You shouldnt insult minivans like that.  (i just thought this guy was funny) -Rick | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) New Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2004 |
What should I be banned for, Rupert? Inferring that someone has been hoodwinked by the Ford/LR propaganda machine or that he's a LR salesman? You must hold LR salesmen in pretty low esteem to say that, especially those poor, sedentary lifers with the mid drift bulge, pinky rings and fake Rolexes that sadistic LR sales managers force to wear bush jackets and khaki shorts so they can exude that "safari" atmosphere around the LR "Centre." Just don't ask them to wheel the new LR3 (aka the "Pinto, Series II") around the obstacle course. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Senior Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 287 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sandy, Have you driven the LR3 lately? | ||
| Ryan Graham (Ryangraham) Member Username: Ryangraham Post Number: 84 Registered: 01-2004 |
Clearly I have been taken the wrong way. I am not a salesman nor a Ford lover. And I too, have all the same reservations about the LR3 and what big brother Ford might do to Land Rover on a whole. I was only trying to point out that everyone has already turned their back on Land Rover and we dont even know what the hell we are talking about yet. With the information about Ford I was merely stating that they give their customers what they want. Your right, Ford is definitely not the most high quality product on the planet, but your not paying $100K for a truck either. And if you try to say that Land Rover doesnt have their "little problems"...well...you just cant say that. So to sum up everything...I anxiously await the first off road test of the LR3 | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) New Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2004 |
Ron, Sure have -- it's also known as a Ford Exploder/Mercury Mountain-near/Lincoln Aggravator -- I rented it at Hertz -- AND IT SUCKS!!! Ryan, The "little problems" Rover has now center around their electrics. Normally, these are just niggling problems that won't keep anyone from driving on road or off as long as they disable whatever electrical contrivance/sensor has gone on the fritz. You just pull the fuse and keep on driving. This "Terrain Response" fiasco-in-the-making is going to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT on Rover electrics. This is not good. And this LR3 thing is going to be VERY EXPENSIVE to buy and to fix. | ||
| Kent S. Wilcox (Kswilcox) New Member Username: Kswilcox Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2003 |
Back to the comment Porter started this with, dealerships offering multiple lines of cars is nothing new. Intermountain, was the first dealer in the Wasatch Front to sell Land Rovers, and they also sell Hyundai, Isuszu, and VW's. I'm not a huge fan of the dealership, but if they are giving me the best price on a LR I don't give a crap if it's parked next to an Amigo. Being able to spread their net a little wider, I would think could only help keep prices down. my .02 | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sandy The Angry, What kind of Rover do you drive? So you haven't driven the Disco3? Or is the sky really falling and I just haven't noticed. It must suck that you will never again buy a new vehicle since it seems anything 'modern' is horrible. pwc | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 44 Registered: 02-2004 |
Oh, I'll buy new vehicles all right, but no more Land Rovers if they don't make or import the type of vehicle I want. Screw 'em. If they're going to abandon me as a customer, why should I continue to buy their vehicles? I'll just continue to mod and maintain my '95 D1, or I may branch out into a FJ80 or a Pinzgauer. There are still lot's of options for me to spend my off-road dollar. I'd buy a new Mercedes G500, but it really doesn't make any sense to me to buy a $75,000 truck and then beat the crap out of it on the trail. Maybe a used one, if they ever come down to a price that I think justifies taking it out on the trail and beating the crap out of it. But you go right ahead and plunk down $87,000 at the nearest LR "Centre" and be the first one on your block to own an LR3. Knock yourself out. But don't come crying to me when that "Terrain Response" fiasco takes a brain fart on the trail and you have to send for a tow truck to drag you back to the dealer. | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 201 Registered: 06-2003 |
I'm still complaining about the D2!? Doesn't matter to me who sells em I'm not even going to look at that thing? | ||
| Dave Statler (Falconx84) Member Username: Falconx84 Post Number: 169 Registered: 02-2004 |
Correct me if I'm wrong... but doesn't the real hummer (H1/military) have an independant suspension? It was designed this way for better center ground clearance. It raises the differential up off the ground so that a random rock doesn't beat the hell out of it. The differential is the lowest and arguably the most vulnerable part of the vehicle. Perhaps LR was looking to solve this problem. Benefit of the doubt... | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 122 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sandy, What new vehicle will you buy that is full of electronics and completely reliable? BTW, I have no intention of buying one and never said I did. I just don't understand your complete hatred of a truck you've never driven and don't know the limits of. And do you really think they will cost $87,000 here in the States? Do you want to place a bet that they won't cost that much and you are just exagerating, again? pwc | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 45 Registered: 02-2004 |
$87,000 was the price quoted on the UK site in US dollars at today's exchange rate for the top of the line LR3. I haven't seen the MSRP on the US site, but even at half price ($43,500 fully loaded) the thing is too expensive. But if you feel the urge, go ahead and buy one and see how much punishment it can take off road. The Humvee is indeed independent suspension, but they don't depend on electronic "terrain response" to make it off road. That could be fatal. | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2004 |
Petey, If I were to buy a new car full of electronics right now at this moment, it would probably be a Saab 9-3 Aero convertible. Saab electronics have been pretty reliable as long as you buy one with an actual Saab turbo charged 4 instead of that Opel/Vauxhall v-6 abomination. Since I don't contemplate going off pavement, I'm not too worried about the electronics. If something were to go haywire, a tow truck is only a cell phone call away. Were I to take a Saab convertible rock crawling at Moab, Utah, I could be in trouble, but probably not because of the electronics. | ||
| Felix Gumbiner (Felixthecat) Member Username: Felixthecat Post Number: 115 Registered: 02-2004 |
Peter -- I agree they likely won't cost THAT much, but unfortunately the trend towards more expensive vehicles is currently en vogue. Jerry Garcia turned over in his grave when Volkswagen introduced its $40,000 W8. You name it... Toyota Avalon, Nissan Altima, even the Civic is climbing further and further past the accepted rate of inflation. I suppose the only blessing is that our dear Rovers depreciate so enthusiastically. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1449 Registered: 09-2002 |
ROTFL Sandy, it doesn't look like you're buying a G500 anytime soon. Something tells me you can't afford a Pinz, either. "Branch out" - oh man... | ||
| Felix Gumbiner (Felixthecat) Member Username: Felixthecat Post Number: 123 Registered: 02-2004 |
Aren't G-wagen's north of $90,000? | ||
| Trey & Melissa Burns (T_burns) New Member Username: T_burns Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2004 |
Felix - at our car show here in town the "basic" G-wagen was going for 89,000 and the "bling bling" of the g-wagen's was going for $98,000. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sandy-y, "go ahead and buy one" - "I have no intention of buying one and never said I did." Thanks for telling me what to buy. I'd tell you I'm not going to buy one, again, but it's obvious at this point you're blinded by your hatred of the new D3 to the point of not even reading what I wrote. So I'll assume we don't have a bet.  I agree the trend is towards more pricy SUVs that are "bigger, lower and wider" and beleive they use the Disco as a good means to up the cost and 'justify' the price of Range Rovers. And until the market says "that's too much to pay for what I'm getting" they'll keep raising it I guess. I took a look at the Ford site and Expeditions are starting at only $1000 less than the starting price of a '04 Disco so they'll have to raise that to keep the marque above the 'normal' Fords. I'd predict they start pricing at $39,950 or something like that and top out at $52K. pwc | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2004 |
Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 08:58 pm: �� quote: "ROTFL Sandy, it doesn't look like you're buying a G500 anytime soon. Something tells me you can't afford a Pinz, either. "Branch out" - oh man..." Peter, that "something" is your ignorance talking. What's the matter, you can't afford one? Envy is an ugly thing... | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 48 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Felix - at our car show here in town the "basic" G-wagen was going for 89,000 and the "bling bling" of the g-wagen's was going for $98,000." MSRP on the Mercedes site is just shy of $78,000. They apparently have jacked them up from last year's MSRP of @ $75,000. Still, much less than the grey market G-Wagens of the past and you get a Mercedes warranty. Even if they've got a dealer mark up to $89K - to $98K, I'd buy a G500 before I'd shell out the $52K some are predicting for this LR3 POS. | ||
| Felix Gumbiner (Felixthecat) Member Username: Felixthecat Post Number: 129 Registered: 02-2004 |
Sandy-- You'd pay $30,000 more for a Gwagen in order to prove a point that the new LRs are too expensive? That's some weird logic...? | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2004 |
No, I'd pay $30K more for a G500 because it's obviously a better truck off road and on and because it relies on nuts & bolts hardware instead of sketchy Rover electronics off road. The G500 comes with EVERYTHING you could want in a luxury SUV (and it actually works) and is off road capable. Also, you can be assured that the Mercedes' electronics will actually work and that Mercedes will stand behind their product with long term warranties that can be extended for many years. LRNA leaves very much to be desired in the warranty and service department. The Mercedes dealer/service network is better established, has a better reputation and is probably much, much bigger. That's why you'd get more for your money buying a $78K - $98K G500 than a $52K LR3 POS. LRs, regrettably, have a well-deserved reputation for crappy electrics and being garage queens. That's also why Mercedes (and the Toyota Landcruiser, for that matter) hold their value better than Rovers, sad to say. Of course, that's just me. You can go ahead and pay $52K for this LR3 and see what you get. But if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck, and a lame one at that. | ||
| Felix Gumbiner (Felixthecat) Member Username: Felixthecat Post Number: 132 Registered: 02-2004 |
"No, I'd pay $30K more for a G500 because it's obviously a better truck off road and on and because it relies on nuts & bolts hardware instead of sketchy Rover electronics off road." Can I come over and check out your G500 and your LR3? I've been waiting to see how they perform off road, side by side. Although, duh, OBVIOUSLY the LR3 sucks. Last time on the trail, my friend in his ML300 had to pull one out of a 3 inch deep pothole! :: rolls eyes :: | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 51 Registered: 02-2004 |
Felix, are you hallucinating again? You can be helped. Just lay off the dope. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1452 Registered: 09-2002 |
It sure is, man, it sure is. Can't be helped. | ||
| Felix Gumbiner (Felixthecat) Member Username: Felixthecat Post Number: 133 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Felix, are you hallucinating again? You can be helped. Just lay off the dope." I was obviously being bitterly sarcastic. Clearly you have never even seen an LR3 much less driven one. I'm sure the same goes for the G500. Your speculation on the LR3's performance is nothing more than ignornace. End of discussion. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1453 Registered: 09-2002 |
Personally, I'm waiting on Deke's personal experience with a G500. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Senior Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 288 Registered: 11-2002 |
I am waiting on dekes personal experience with an LR3 | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 52 Registered: 02-2004 |
Felix, if you want to end the discussion, then, by all means, you're welcome to do so. You and the two Peters are welcome to plunk down $52K+ on the LR3 and beat the hell out of it off road. BTW, what is "ignornace"? Hey, Peter, I checked out your website. I was intrigued with your experience with the Ford Aerostar as an off road vehicle and your off road comparison between a D1 and a 2WD Jeep. Wow, that really is "branching out" in the 4x4 world! Just one question, does "Lada" mean "Fix it again, Tony" in Russian? | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2004 |
There won't be any personal experience of me driving the she-she LR3 because I wouldn't be caught dead in one. If you keep up the attitude, I'm not even going to pull you out of the mud when that "Terrain Response" contrivance on your brand new LR3 has a brain fart. | ||
| Kevin Haeberle (Kevinhaeb) New Member Username: Kevinhaeb Post Number: 16 Registered: 04-2004 |
Is there a point to this argument, or is someome just pissed at Land Rovers? Keep your Land Rover bashing to a minimum on a LAND ROVER website... please! Have a nice day..Kevin | ||
| Mitch Williams (Mitch20) New Member Username: Mitch20 Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2003 |
OK, just thought I would jump in. I am pretty impressed with the new LR3 (Discovery 3 for the rest of the world). No I have not driven it. Yes it is probably more capable than new RR off-road, with its rear locker and a few extra tech goodies. And remember new RR pretty much matches or beats D110 off-road. Most are comparing LR3 vehicles electronics to previous Rovers that had problems. I think Land Rovers intention going forward is to be on par with Jaguar when it comes to reliability, who usually ranks number 2 in JD power surveys - more reliable than even Toyota. So everyone is trashing the new vehicle because they think that Ford has destroyed Land Rover. Let me ask you all this. How do you feel about 2nd gen RR (38A)? After all that vehicle was developed completely by Land Rover before BMW stepped in. Also let me add one more thing. I understand the argument regarding more electronics equals more to go wrong but if they are reliable? Would that be such a bad thing? Maybe we should look back at Rovers from the 80's and 90's vehicles. Would we find tremendous reliability? No? Maybe the 60's and 70's? Still No? Oh maybe Land Rovers are built to roll off the factory floor and into the owners garage to end up on jacks right. Because we all buy Rovers so that we can screw the vehicles together properly as soon as we get them home. No? Don't get me wrong the only trucks I will every buy will be Land Rovers but I would rather spend more time off-roading than in my garage. Yeah LR3 has a longer wheelbase but what about D-110 or D-130? And in these new Rovers everything is sealed properly and protected from majority of off-road abuse. New Land Rovers will be high luxury, lots of hp and torque, awesome off-road, ride like a luxury car, handle like a car and have high price tags - not that I could afford one. I will continue to enjoy Series vehicles, Discovery classic and RR classic. I am still hoping they will not stray from their heritage too much with a Defender replacement. Just my opinion. | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2004 |
Kev, FYI, this is a DISCOVERY website. Have a nice day! | ||
| Kevin Haeberle (Kevinhaeb) New Member Username: Kevinhaeb Post Number: 17 Registered: 04-2004 |
You have issues lady...Kevin | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1454 Registered: 09-2002 |
Thanks for generating traffic to my website, Deke, you may be the only person who's seen the pages you mentioned (besides myself). However, if you really looked around there, you could find more solid ground. Every month or so some new pothead logs in, trying to impress everyone with his wealth and knowledge, and usually hides behind a meaningless handle (even if put together out of something that may make sense to some). I'd enjoy to bash the LR3, but that would mean joining ranks with you. FWIW... I did drive a rental Explorer on pavement, and liked the ride; I saw what a '03 RR can do off pavement with independent suspension and was impressed; so, if a LR3 is based on either, it'll have at least one or another thing better than average. | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 83 Registered: 03-2004 |
I am way too fat and out of shape to hide behind my senseless handle. Still, I would like to point out that, with or without my weed, I am the smartest man alive! thanks for noticing my log-in! as for the LR-3...bash away! | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2003 |
I have a feeling 'Sandy' that you are a male...if not, then lay off the 'roids, man. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 338 Registered: 08-2003 |
priceless - LOL Jacquelyne Jeff | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 1243 Registered: 02-2002 |
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| Trey Burns (T_burns) Member Username: T_burns Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2004 |
ROTFLMAO that's awesome!!! | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Trey Burns" -- ha ha, that's funny. What, are you a semi-literate flunky in a bakery? Koby, I appreciate the sentiment -- I think. Just don't get too close to me. PeterM, hey, I think you have a very informative site. What the heck is that Russian 4x4 thing that looks like it fell off the monorail at the "World of Tomorrow" in 1955? Kev, why do you say I have issues? I'm just giving you a little friendly info. And who says I'm a "lady"? Have a nice day! Jaquelyne, wouldn't YOU like to know. Speaking of females, that LR3 abomination certainly looks like a (!) vehicle to me. | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 545 Registered: 08-2003 |
man, you are an ass...  but sometimes that's good. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 1244 Registered: 02-2002 |
Sandy, you remind me of Corey Shuman. | ||
| Kevin Haeberle (Kevinhaeb) New Member Username: Kevinhaeb Post Number: 19 Registered: 04-2004 |
You just nag and bicker a whole lot. I figured it was just that time of the month for you. This is all I have to say....no more post on this thread from me. I may be 19, but I am mature enough to know when it is just time to shut the hell up and let stupid arguments pass. | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 58 Registered: 02-2004 |
Now, dog gone it, Kev, don't go away mad. Here I thought you were just another salesman from the local Land Rover "Centre" trying to do the old "pump and dump" with the LR3 on the dweb and it turns out you're just a teeny bopper. My mistake. I apologize, dude. And, by all means, have a nice day! | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 59 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Every month or so some new pothead logs in, trying to impress everyone with his wealth of knowledge, and usually hides behind a meaningless handle (even if put together out of something that may make sense to some). I'd enjoy to bash the LR3, but that would mean joining ranks with you." -- PeterM Now, Peter, I'm going to have to ask you to stop bad-mouthing "Felix the Cat." I won't stand for it! Maybe you yourself should leave the Stoli alone and take a toke of Mother Nature and calm down. Now getting back to your website, that Russian 4x4 "UAZ" thing that looks like one of those "people movers" they used to cart folks around at Disneyland back in the '50s -- it looks like a much better vehicle than the LR3. I want one! However, I can't say I like the looks of your co-pilot, Herr Kapitan. That dude looks like Manuel Noriega after the Adkins Diet. Scary! "Keep eating those magic tamales, Honcho!" That "LuAZ" looks even better. Looks like they reverse-engineered it out of the front end of a Ford Tri-Motor fusalage, those damn reverse-engineering Commie bastards! Always stealing our cutting-edge technology! How much would it cost me to get the pair of them back to the US? Fifty - Sixty bucks if they shipped them via scrap iron barge? | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 130 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sandy first says - "I'd buy a new Mercedes G500, but it really doesn't make any sense to me to buy a $75,000 truck and then beat the crap out of it on the trail." And then Sandy says - "No, I'd pay $30K more for a G500 because it's obviously a better truck off road " It might be better off-road, but dude, you ain't even going to take it off-road!!! Might as well throw some dubs on it, drop it to the rails and ride it slow over the speed bumps so the neon don't scratch. Why are you saying you would rather spend X amount of dollars on a G-500 when you wouldn't take it off road? At least with the D3 you were complaining about it leaving you stranded when you DID take it off-road. Do the Bush thing and completely change what you said earlier and tell us someone fed you bad info, please. pwc | ||
| Felix Gumbiner (Felixthecat) Member Username: Felixthecat Post Number: 136 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Now, Peter, I'm going to have to ask you to stop bad-mouthing "Felix the Cat." I won't stand for it!" Obviously my handle is meaningless, because my given name is Felix... I guess you don't watch classic cartoons in the Peanut Gallery, do you? I don't usually respond to these stupid personal attacks, especially when we're debating machinery, but your cock-eyed absurdities are just too irresistable. Why the hell are you pointing out the physical features of people in pictures you so loudly despise? Do you have nothing better to do? If you have so much time on your hands, at least take time to consult www.dictionary.com while you compose your meaningless rebuttals. You're incorrigible, Sandy. Keep it up! | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1456 Registered: 09-2002 |
Did I say anything about Felix? Deke, you really should shut up about things you have no clue about. You're just as clueless about UAZ and other old Soviet stuff as you are about G500 - does the term "portal axles" ring any bells for you? | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 60 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Sandy first says - "I'd buy a new Mercedes G500, but it really doesn't make any sense to me to buy a $75,000 truck and then beat the crap out of it on the trail.""--pwc Peter, Peter, Peter -- always taking things out of context, trying in vain to make yourself look more intelligent than the next guy. Of course, you neglected to quote my next sentence from that post, which was: "Maybe a used one (G500), if they ever come down to a price that I think justifies taking it out on the trail and beating the crap out of it." PWC: "And then Sandy says - "No, I'd pay $30K more for a G500 because it's obviously a better truck off road " It might be better off-road, but dude, you ain't even going to take it off-road!!! Might as well throw some dubs on it, drop it to the rails and ride it slow over the speed bumps so the neon don't scratch. Why are you saying you would rather spend X amount of dollars on a G-500 when you wouldn't take it off road? At least with the D3 you were complaining about it leaving you stranded when you DID take it off-road. Do the Bush thing and completely change what you said earlier and tell us someone fed you bad info, please. pwc" Let me give you a hint, Peter, it's a hypothetical situation: if given the choice between a $52K LR3 and a $78K G500, I'd take a G500 hands down. If I was crazy or rich enough to take it out and beat the hell out of it on the trail, the G500 is still the better vehicle. If given a choice between an LR3, a G500, and a used '93 NAS 110 Defender at the going rate of $60K, I'd still take the new G500. Now, if given a choice between the LR3, the G500 and the mythical '07 110 Defender (current spec and overpriced at, say, $35K), I'd take the '07 Defender because it's purpose built to beat the crap out of on the trail without crapping out a lot of expensive luxury items with mud and dirt. But since LRNA doesn't have enough sense to pull its head out of its ass and sell a current spec Defender in the US, its all just hypothetical. Now, if I could get a decent used G500 in the neighborhood of $30K or so, I might seriously consider getting one and beating the crap out of it on the trail. But I haven't found one for near that price. So here is probably what I'll do: keep the '95 D1 4.6 (might replace it with a Toyota 80 series Land Cruiser if I keep having problems with the #$#% Lucas electrics) and get a good used Pinzgauer for $7,500 just for the hell of it. I WILL NOT buy an LR3 because that vehicle has absolutely no appeal to me. However, I might consider one of PeterM's funky "UAZ" Commie 4x4 "people movers" if I could get one over here for less than $300. That thing looks tough! Sandy PS: If I'm George Bush, you're Al Gore. | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 61 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Did I say anything about Felix? Deke, you really should shut up about things you have no clue about. You're just as clueless about UAZ and other old Soviet stuff as you are about G500 - does the term "portal axles" ring any bells for you?" -- PeterM Jesus, Peter, no need to go ballistic! I already told you I wanted to buy one of your funky Rooskie "UAZ people movers," regardless of how it stacks up off road against that indomitable '93 "4x4" Aerostar minivan. I offer you 300 'Merican dolla -- but only if you leave Manuel Noriega, Jr. back in Minsk. Sandy | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1459 Registered: 09-2002 |
Sandy, Minsk is not in Russia, so being clueless covers the geography, too? | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 62 Registered: 02-2004 |
""Now, Peter, I'm going to have to ask you to stop bad-mouthing "Felix the Cat." I won't stand for it!" Obviously my handle is meaningless, because my given name is Felix... I guess you don't watch classic cartoons in the Peanut Gallery, do you?" -- Felix Wow. So your parents named you after a cartoon character. That's interesting...Do you go around saying "Right-e-ohh!!!"? "I don't usually respond to these stupid personal attacks, especially when we're debating machinery, but your cock-eyed absurdities are just too irresistable. Why the hell are you pointing out the physical features of people in pictures you so loudly despise? Do you have nothing better to do? If you have so much time on your hands, at least take time to consult www.dictionary.com while you compose your meaningless rebuttals." -- Felix Now I get it. So, you're the Manuel Noriega look-alike in the droopy battle fatigues with the sunglasses and the cap standing next to the Rooskie "people mover" on PeterM's website. Just think, if you were born today, your parents would probably name you after one of those little monster characters on "Courage, the Cowardly Dog." Sorry, I didn't mean any offense by that. But can I give you a little friendly advice? If you wore elevator combat boots, it might help you with the girls. Sandy | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 343 Registered: 08-2003 |
Pete - what a cool looking town Nizhny Novgorod - I couldn't even begin to think how to pronounce it. Portal Axles - hmmm the same thing that Pinzes have on them But anyway since the original thread was about Landy's at a Ford dealership. I can definitely see it coming - everyone is chasing the almighty dollar which means consolidating dealerships to an extent. If you haven't seen one already - I'm sure you will be seeing the new car superstores soon - There are already at least two dealerships in NH that sell Ford, Toyota, Lexus etc etc. Not to mention one that sells Honda, Chevrolet, Audi and Porsche all on the same lot. Just my 10 groats worth. Jeff | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Senior Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 289 Registered: 11-2002 |
"If you keep up the attitude, I'm not even going to pull you out of the mud when that "Terrain Response" contrivance on your brand new LR3 has a brain fart." "Sandy, you remind me of Corey Shuman." Not Corey...Carter maybe but not Corey. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 131 Registered: 10-2003 |
I think I can sum it all up then: Sandy won't buy a D3 or G500 new. Ever. Sandy has never driven a D3, '04 Disco or new G500. Ever. Whew, that wasn't so hard to say. I'm sure I'm missing thousands of other cars you've never driven and will never buy but that just about should sum it up. And if it makes you feel better and gets you just a little bit less defensive, that statement applies to me too, but only because I don't have the cash not because I prejudged any of them. "PS: If I'm George Bush, you're Al Gore." LOL. Am NOT infinity+1!!!!! Although I never called you Bush, just said you were being like him by changing your story, please explain to me how I *am* Al Gore. I'm really interested in hearing this. I might skip my lunch break just sitting here hitting the refresh button.... pwc | ||
| SSV (Susannah) Senior Member Username: Susannah Post Number: 935 Registered: 06-2002 |
Sandy, I think you need to find another board on which to post your nonsense attacks of people. Oh, and go ahead....say something about MY name...sing the song too! I'm ready for it. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 132 Registered: 10-2003 |
Jeff, I can see a Walmart Car Superstore opening up with a 40 acre parking lot. They already are selling certain cars and trucks at Costco (although with only one floor model). It should be pretty easy in the future to just take one of those slips of paper with a barcode on it to the register, plop down your Discover (ha!) card and have the car delivered to you the next day with all the options you want. Who needs a lot full of different version of the same thing? pwc | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 63 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Sandy, Minsk is not in Russia, so being clueless covers the geography, too?" -- PeterM Well, of course not. What, do think I want "Manuel Noriega, Jr." skulking around St. Petersburg when I go there next month to import a couple of those hot-looking Russian broads? Let him cool his jets in Minsk, literally. I offer you 5,000 'Merican Dolla for the Olson Twin look-alikes -- and you can keep the "people mover." | ||
| sam (Dent) Member Username: Dent Post Number: 67 Registered: 01-2004 |
"when I go there next month to import a couple of those hot-looking Russian broads?" umm... no, am not going to comment.. "I offer you 5,000 'Merican Dolla for the Olson Twin look-alikes" with previous comment and this one to boot... hhmmm.... "I won't stand for it! Maybe you yourself should leave the Stoli alone and take a toke of Mother Nature and calm down." take your own advice | ||
| Jake Hartley (Jake) Senior Member Username: Jake Post Number: 280 Registered: 03-2002 |
Peter; I know better than to step into this, but President Bush has been very consistent on what we are doing and has told it straight: WE ARE FIGHTING A WAR AGAINST TERROR. Anyone not with us is with the terrorists.... | ||
| Jake Hartley (Jake) Senior Member Username: Jake Post Number: 281 Registered: 03-2002 |
Peter: are there any UAZ in the US? Your link to UAZ was dead | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 64 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Portal Axles - hmmm the same thing that Pinzes have on them" Yeah, but only if they actually work. From what I've seen of Russian "rolling" hardware, it's not too promising. The local Davidson dealer was trying to pass off some of their Ural motorcycles as an inexpensive "cruiser" -- with or without sidecar. The thing was basically a 1939 BMW 750 produced on machinery "liberated" from Germany after WWII. That thing was a joke, like a two-wheeled Yugo, about on par with the Enfield India "Bullet." | ||
| Jake Hartley (Jake) Senior Member Username: Jake Post Number: 282 Registered: 03-2002 |
actually Sandy, the Enfield is a pretty capable little thumper. We have had one for about three years and it has been pretty (excuse the pun) bullet-proof within it's limitations. a rice rocket its not, but it is not advertised as such. The Ural has had some problems, but the factory revised the engine recently, eliminating the iron cylinders, which caused much of the reliability problems. The Ural side car is a good one, I know guys with very nice BMWs that ride them. Anyway, the ural is the only street legal 2 wheel drive motorcycle/sidecar I kno wthat is sold in the US and you wont break the bank when you get one. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sandy, I'm feeling neglected here. No barbs directed at me in 2 posts? Tell me how I *am* Al Gore, or are you backing down from your former statement as not being accurate? LOL Jake, You're scaring me. But I'm with ya. | ||
| James Anderson (Jnjander) Member Username: Jnjander Post Number: 71 Registered: 08-2003 |
Jake, your quote in your profile is GREAT! | ||
| Jake Hartley (Jake) Senior Member Username: Jake Post Number: 284 Registered: 03-2002 |
and likewise yours James | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 65 Registered: 02-2004 |
Sorry, didn't mean to neglect you, Petey: "I think I can sum it all up then: Sandy won't buy a D3 or G500 new. Ever. Sandy has never driven a D3, '04 Disco or new G500. Ever."---PWC That's where you're wrong. I have driven a G500. That thing is NICE, but I couldn't see paying $78K for it only to beat the crap out of it off road. "Whew, that wasn't so hard to say. I'm sure I'm missing thousands of other cars you've never driven and will never buy but that just about should sum it up. And if it makes you feel better and gets you just a little bit less defensive, that statement applies to me too, but only because I don't have the cash not because I prejudged any of them." --PWC That must be rough, not being able to buy a new G500, even if you really wanted one. I feel your pain -- at least I'm trying to. ""PS: If I'm George Bush, you're Al Gore." LOL. Am NOT infinity+1!!!!! Although I never called you Bush, just said you were being like him by changing your story, please explain to me how I *am* Al Gore. I'm really interested in hearing this. I might skip my lunch break just sitting here hitting the refresh button...." ---PWC You mean you're not Al Gore? Well, you certainly SOUND like Al Gore. Sandy | ||
| SSV (Susannah) Senior Member Username: Susannah Post Number: 944 Registered: 06-2002 |
SANDY- THIS THREAD IS ABOUT LAND ROVERS AND FORD DEALERSHIPS....go find something else to do!!!! | ||
| Melissa (Roverchic) Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 248 Registered: 02-2004 |
I second SSV! This is my fav line by Sandy D: "when I go there next month to import a couple of those hot-looking Russian broads?" THAT IS A VERY inappropriate WAY to REFER TO WOMEN! Take your nonsensical, ambiguous attacks else where, please! | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 134 Registered: 10-2003 |
"You mean you're not Al Gore? Well, you certainly SOUND like Al Gore. " Please give an example. If you are talking out your ass, just say "I'm just talking out my ass and it's just because I don't like you that I'm calling you Al Gore." I never said I invented the Internet, so I can't see what I could have said that would lead you to saying I'm just like him. How is not having $75K to spend on a truck you never take off-road 'rough'? I'll revise my statement then: "Sandy won't buy a D3 or G500 new. Ever. " Jake, Sandy doesn't want to buy Rovers (an American owned company manufacturing cars in the UK, a close friend) and wants to buy a German truck (who was against us invading Iraq) instead. Does that make Sandy a terrorist? pwc | ||
| Jake Hartley (Jake) Senior Member Username: Jake Post Number: 286 Registered: 03-2002 |
it certainly makes him suspect.... more likley he has had a few bong hits too many today | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Senior Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 290 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lets take a vote here Sandy Deke is A. Corey B. Carter C. Ho Chung | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1462 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jake, the factory seems to have its own website - http://www.uaz.ru/eng/ . I enjoyed seeing ISO 9001 logo on the webpage - this is really funny. Haven't seen any UAZes state-side; I almost bought a 1955 GAZ-69A (two door, soft top) a few years ago from Poland. Haven't quite given up on the idea yet - but the only purpose would be to observe the "WTF is that?" look on people's faces. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 135 Registered: 10-2003 |
B | ||
| Greg P. (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1614 Registered: 11-2003 |
http://www.sheltondealerships.com/ If you want to see an extensive dealer line up, check out my local dealer. I'm not even going to go into the fact that their service is pricey. | ||
| SSV (Susannah) Senior Member Username: Susannah Post Number: 946 Registered: 06-2002 |
Nah, I don't think it's Carter. He wouldn't say mean things about women. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 345 Registered: 08-2003 |
Where's D? Archie Bunker | ||
| Jake Hartley (Jake) Senior Member Username: Jake Post Number: 287 Registered: 03-2002 |
I have seen quite a few UAZ-2206 and the ambulance variant in both Egypt and Bosnia. Cool looking and kind of tough, but I hear that they are pretty crude. I still want one...... I vote B | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Senior Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 291 Registered: 11-2002 |
No I think D would be Rob Davison  | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 98 Registered: 03-2004 |
I Vote 'E'  | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 346 Registered: 08-2003 |
Some Gwagens strutting there stuff. http://www.clubgwagen.com/extreme/trail/index.htm Jeff | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1798 Registered: 02-2003 |
i'm here reading. it seems sandy irritates Sus. now ya'll know how i felt. rd | ||
| Matt Taylor (Whodatmatt) Member Username: Whodatmatt Post Number: 41 Registered: 09-2003 |
Sandy may have miffed a few of you, but this "Koby, I appreciate the sentiment -- I think. Just don't get too close to me." cracked me up. I personally enjoy seeing Koby's posts and in no way think that the above statement is attack on him. I think this Sandy fella has a good sense of humor. Of course, I'm a jackass.. | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 67 Registered: 02-2004 |
"SANDY- THIS THREAD IS ABOUT LAND ROVERS AND FORD DEALERSHIPS....go find something else to do!" Mel & Sus, That's where you're wrong -- this thread has "evolved," as it were, into a discussion about hot Russian babes and PeterM's indomitable UAZ Rooskie 4x4 -- and I don't see you gringo gals struttin' your stuff! And, PeterM, I apologize -- I didn't realize the Olson Twin look-alikes were your sisters. I did not intend to insult you. So, I now offer you 8,000 'Merican dolla! Sandy | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 233 Registered: 03-2003 |
Sandy, you need a new M.O. Constantly ripping on people gets a little old. Honestly, I think everybody is tired of hearing it. I think you should go to a different bb if you don't like us here. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt any of our feelings. | ||
| Ray Wallace (Rayd2) Member Username: Rayd2 Post Number: 71 Registered: 05-2003 |
Sandy, Steve is right. Why don't you go play with Pirate 4x4. They might appreciate your opinions. | ||
| Felix Gumbiner (Felixthecat) Member Username: Felixthecat Post Number: 139 Registered: 02-2004 |
Alright Sandy, I've just had about enough of your childish butchering of Cold War slang. It's "Ruskie", for fuck's sake. What the hell is "Rooskie"? Have you ever read any ethnocentric 20th century American literature? How appropriate that the Village Idiot incorrectly phrase his insults.... I guess you spend the other half of your day at the Pirate4x4 boards. In their words, "You're gay, fag!" P.S.: When it's cold outside and you've nothing to do but sit at your computer with your dick in your hand, be sure to check up on this: http://rsdb.org/ Might help you realize your Darwin Award dreams. | ||
| Melissa (Roverchic) Senior Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 251 Registered: 02-2004 |
Sandy: "I don't see you gringo gals struttin' your stuff!" There is no need for us to " b struttin' our stuff". Bashing women is no sign of character nor is calling us 'broads'. Seriously GO AWAY! Go find some Jeep Website to interigate or hangout with your G-Wagon friends! | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 350 Registered: 08-2003 |
Sandy - If you take a look at the photo gallery (probably something you haven't done - sine you obviously get your jollies from pi$$ing people off) - You would notice Susannah up there 'struttin her stuff' so to speak. Melissa sorry didn't know if you had submitted any pics or not. I'm not sure if you know what a wanker is - but next time you're near a mirror - take a good look. |
