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     Alex Scolnik (Alex_scolnik) New Member Username: Alex_scolnik Post Number: 28 Registered: 09-2003 |
I spoke to my mechanic about what to do with the engine. Unfortunately we didn't look at it that carefully before I removed it :-( The engine did however run, and the previous owner said that he had recently re-built the head, but it's filthy. My mechanic suggested that I just clean it up, paint it, and put it back in. Then if there are problems, pull it and fix them or replace the engine with a new one. Now for my questions... First, I got an engine stand, but am not 100% sure how to attach the engine to it. I'm tempted to bolt it to the back where the casing that flywheel fits in was attached, but I'm not sure that is such a great idea. Anyone have any ideas? And, in terms of cleaning, any reccommended products? I have the engine pretty much stripped of all it's ancillaries. When I'm cleaning is it OK if I get cleaner/degreaser in the engine? Unless I put it all back together, clean, and then take it apart to paint, I don't think you can clean without getting cleaning materials into the engine. Then as a related aside, the inside of one of my axle casings (can't remember which right now) has some very light surface rust forming on it. I'm tempted to try and paint that to, but am not sure that's such a great idea. Can't wait to hear what you think, Alex | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2848 Registered: 02-2002 |
a) I agree: I did the same, pull it, clean it, paint it, put it back in. Odds are, with a Series, it'll run.... b) I pulled the engine and transmission together as a unit, and then just set the unit on a pallet. c) I would advise avoiding getting degreaser into the engine. If you do, drain the oil and refill before you turn it over in the future. You could fabricate some simple blanking plates to cover ingress points, to limit the amount. d) The inside, as in the inside towards the middle of the vehicle (but still on the outside of the casing), or do you mean inside as in - you've pulled the axles and you're talking about the inside wall in the casing? As fars as mine, I used a rotary wire brush and went to town cleaning up the outside, then painted black. I didn't pull the axles to see the inside of the tubes themselves. -L | ||
| Alex Scolnik (Alex_scolnik) New Member Username: Alex_scolnik Post Number: 29 Registered: 09-2003 |
I guess I'll put everything back on, it isn't that big of a deal, and will be a good dry run for final assembly! By the way, what kind/color of paint are you planning on using. In terms of the axles, if you take out the differential, and look into the axle casing through the big hole, you can see a little bit of rust on the back part of the wall. It's very minor, but i figure if it needs to be done might as well do it now while it's convenient. Alex | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2850 Registered: 02-2002 |
For the engine, I used Detroit Alpine Diesel Green... it's pretty much dead-on as far as matching the original color. I *think* it was Dupli-color, but, Tempo is another company with an engine paint that is in the same color that would be as good. For the black undercarriage bits, I used black Krylon, so that it can easily be touched up as needed. For the body paint, I'll probably go with DuPont Centari, but, maybe PPG-Ditzler.... Hmmm....... I don't know you would really (well, easily) take care of rust in the tube itself.... I don't think black paint would *hurt*, but, I'd clean it off, oil it, and forget about it... it's not a place where you're subject to continuous evermounting corrosion..... While the 3rd member is out, clean it up if you can, but don't sweat about it.... IMHO, FWIW......... -L | ||
| Alex Scolnik (Alex_scolnik) New Member Username: Alex_scolnik Post Number: 30 Registered: 09-2003 |
Sounds like a plan, but what's the 3rd member? | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2851 Registered: 02-2002 |
The 3rd member is the differential and its housing together as a unit.  1 : transmission 2 : transfer case 3 : differential Hence, 3rd member of the geartrain. At least that's my understanding of the derivation of that term. -L | ||
| Alex Scolnik (Alex_scolnik) New Member Username: Alex_scolnik Post Number: 31 Registered: 09-2003 |
Ahhh, I see. I was planning on cleaning, painting and resealing the 3rd member, but are you talking about anything internal? Because I was planning on just leaving that alone? | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2852 Registered: 02-2002 |
Sure, if it's fine, it's fine.... I didn't even pull mine from the Series, just painted the axles as complete units. -L | ||
| Alex Scolnik (Alex_scolnik) New Member Username: Alex_scolnik Post Number: 32 Registered: 09-2003 |
Well, I don't know if it's fine. I'm hoping it is. The only reason I pulled it was because it was seeping oil from where it meets the axle casing and I wanted to put in a new gasket. Also, I've left David a couple of messages, but he hasn't called me back yet. It isn't really urgent but I'd like to talk to him about replacement body panels and painting. I hope everything is OK and I haven't offended him yet :-D | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2853 Registered: 02-2002 |
lol.... No, he's most definitely not offended, lol.... He's just a busy one-man operation: ordering parts in bulk, stocking, taking orders, packing and shipping; fixing running rovers, rebuilding / restoring rovers, disassembling rovers; paint, bodywork, engine work, diagnostics, brakes, clutches, engine swaps; helping troubleshoot people's problems over the phone, answering inquiries, figuring out alternatives, etc. etc.; and, baby-sitting those of us who are hiding from our wives / girlfriends, etc..... Seriously, it's a matter of people calling him before he can manage to return messages between chores out in the shop. He'll talk to you if you happen to catch him or once he's made it through messages down to where he's returning your call next.... plus, if it's a matter of "have X part, don't have Y part, Z part price is A", he can return those brief calls quickly, whereas when he knows that it's gonna be a good call that needs due attention, he'll make those calls when he's not got a transmission half-way out of a Rover..... That's probably all it needs, is a new gasket... take your time to make sure the faces are clean so that the gasket will perform better. Hang in there, you two will have a good chat soon..... -L | ||
| Alex Scolnik (Alex_scolnik) New Member Username: Alex_scolnik Post Number: 33 Registered: 09-2003 |
I wasn't really worried about David, I more just wanted to check that it was to be expected, and he probably was getting my messages. Anyway, while we're on the topic, what did you do to your gearbox. I know absolutely nothing about mine except that it is filthy on the outside, and I mean really really dirty. I heard the gearbox rebuild is pretty straight forward and covered well in the workshop manual, but I'm still waiting for mine to show up. If you were me, would you re-build it now, or just clean it and put it back in to see what happens? Alex | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2855 Registered: 02-2002 |
My Rover was running well: engine, gearbox, axles, were all fine. My problem was that the chassis was shot, bulkhead footwells and outer pillars were rusted through too, and the rear tub was eaten out with corrosion. Other than that, it was fine. I just was doing a frame swap, decided to use a better tub, which initiated a paint job, and, before you know it, I'm a victim of shipfitter's disease..... -L | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2856 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh, to answer what you asked... Again, are you refurbishing to make a nice drivable vehicle, or are you wanting to do a full-blown restoration? If it seemed okay before hand, or seems to be as well as you can tell out of the vehicle, then put it back in and see how it is. It may not need rebuilding, or at least not yet.... you can take it out later and rebuild it if you have to, or swap another in, or whatever.... But if you want it to be a *perfect* (snicker chortle) *brand new 35 year-old* Land Rover, then go ahead and rebuild it while it's out. Me? I wouldn't, but, there may be reasons to go ahead and do it now... it depends on its condition, and what your desired end-result is.... -L | ||
| Alex Scolnik (Alex_scolnik) New Member Username: Alex_scolnik Post Number: 34 Registered: 09-2003 |
I don't really know exactly what the difference between refurbishing and restoring is. To me, they're pretty much the same...Actually, I guess that based on the photos, I'm trying to make it like one of the ECR refurbished rovers. I have some time to decide, and guess I'll just have to wait and see how over budget I am when the time comes to either re-build or put it back! Alex | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2857 Registered: 02-2002 |
ECR is doing more like restoration-level work instead of just refurbishment. While making plenty of alterations from what a pure "like new" restoration would be, they're watching the details like you would for a restoration. Hence the cost. Anyway, do as good of a job as you can within your budget, and enjoy the ride..... -L |
