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John Lee (Johnlee)
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Username: Johnlee

Post Number: 477
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I was browsing the Snap-on Japan website during lunch and saw some pics of the typical Snap-on truck in Japan. I was shocked at how small the trucks were. Take a look at:

http://www.snapon.co.jp/purchase/purchase/van.jpg
http://www.snapon.co.jp/purchase/purchase/van2.jpg
http://www.snapon.co.jp/cgi-email/van.gif

These are really dinky. I guess it's so crowded in Japan that a standard American Snap-on truck couldn't fit. The Snap-on Japan site even tries to make the trucks look bigger:

http://www.snapon.co.jp/franchise/opportunity/vanrooftop.jpg

Contrast that with the size of the average Snap-on truck in America:

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/theshop/DSC07106.jpg
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06436.jpg

That's Joe Rigonan's Snap-on truck. Joe drives the standard Frito-Lay type of truck that I see all the time. Joe'sboss and our other Snap-on guy, Steve Hertzmann, has a HUGE truck. It looks as if someone took a white Freightliner big rig and cut out the middle section. Steve's truck has, in addition to all of the hand and power tools on board, FOUR different KRL761's. There's that much room inside of it. I guess Americans really do like things to be as big as possible.

I saw this one on the Snap-on UK site:

http://www.snapon.com/UK/Images/Stewart-Maze2.jpg

Peter, is that the average Snap-on truck in the UK?


 

Blue (Blue)
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Post Number: 470
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Most drug dealers drive around with dime bags on the floorboards, but when they find a true junkie they start pulling over and popping the trunk to get the volume stuff going. Pretty soon they're calling in the fake delivery vans with bales stacked in the back to satisfy the demand. Same thing with Snap-on, I guess.
 

David Woo (Davidwoo)
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Username: Davidwoo

Post Number: 46
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

John: you should have a desk full of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3549935957&category=223
DW
 

Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor)
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Username: Nosivad_bor

Post Number: 926
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL, good one blue.

 

Jack Parker (Jack)
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Username: Jack

Post Number: 211
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Just talked to my local snap-on rep, she (that's right, she) is stopping by my shop Monday morning at 8:00am.

This could get ugly as I only "need" a 1/2" drive torque wrench, but I'm gonna be a kid in a candy store in that truck.

Any suggestions (John Lee!)on which 1/2" drive torque wrench to purchase? I'm looking for maybe the 50-250 ft/lb range unless there are reasons to consider others. Is the flex-head worth considering?
 

Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh)
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Username: Gummikuh

Post Number: 219
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Hi John

Yep, that is what they drive.

Apparently it is a requirement of the franchise that you must drive a Merc, fits in quite nicely with the drug dealer image.

Some of the specialist dealers drive smaller vans, but these are not common, they are trying to sell to the manufacturers and government etc. they have no need for a big van, probably work for Snap-On direct anyway.

The UK trucks are plenty big enough though, My guy usually has a couple of roll cabs in the back.

And Jack I would go for a click type as it is pretty foolproof, go for a QD3250 or QD3R250. if you are feeling flush go for a BRUTUS3R250A.

Pete
 

John Lee (Johnlee)
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Username: Johnlee

Post Number: 479
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Jack,

Snap-on makes dozens of different torque-measuring devices, but the only three torque wrenches I would even consider are the QD Series:

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/Pro.asp?tool=all&Group_ID=954&Group_name=US+Torqu e+Instruments+%28ft%2E+lb%2E%29&Cat_ID=1928685&Cat_NAME=Torque&Sub_Cat_ID=192973 4&Sub_Cat_NAME=Adjustable+Click%2DType&store=snapon-store

QT Series:

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/Pro.asp?tool=all&Group_ID=957&Group_name=US+Readi ng+Premium+Torque+Instrument&Cat_ID=1928685&Cat_NAME=Torque&Sub_Cat_ID=1929804&S ub_Cat_NAME=Adjustable+Click%2DType+Torque+Instruments%2C+Qt+Series&store=snapon -store

and the new Techwrench electronic torque wrenches:

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/Pro.asp?tool=all&Group_ID=17226&Group_name=Standa rd+Models+%2F+2%25+Accuracy+%2F+Ratcheting&Cat_ID=1928685&Cat_NAME=Torque&Sub_Ca t_ID=1929856&Sub_Cat_NAME=Techwrench+Torque+Wrenches&store=snapon-store

The QD Series wrenches feature 4% accuracy clockwise and 6% accuracy counterclockwise. The QT are more accurate at 3% accuracy both clockwise and counterclockwise. Check out pages 276 and 277 of your Snap-on catalog for the various models.

The new Techwrenches are remarkable pieces of equipment. Their torque ranges are wider than the adjustable click type. For example, the 3/8" Techwrench goes from 5-100 ft. lbs., while a standard click-type of torque wrench usually goes from 20-100.

I've played with the Techwrench in Steve Hertzmann's Snap-on truck. It's pretty cool to play with, but I think I prefer the adjustable click type. There's more to tools than just performance. Man does not live by bread alone. I like feeling the precision of the various pieces in my hands, and the Techwrench just doesn't do it for me. It's sort of like comparing a Casio G-Shock to an OMEGA Speedmaster. The G-Shock does everything better, but I prefer the OMEGA. You may differ. It's basically personal preference. The Techwrench is definitely easier to set and use though, that's for sure.

What size should you get? What do you want the torque wrench for? If it's for general-purpose use on your truck, then I think the 50-250 ft. lbs. range is way too high.

If you have a service manual, take a look at the torque values listed there. You'll be shocked how low the proper torque values are for various fasteners. Sure, there are fasteners there like the ones that connect the radius arm to the front axle (150 ft. lbs.) and the fasteners that connect the radius arms to the chassis (130 ft. lbs.), but almost all of the fasteners are properly torqued at well under 100 ft. lbs. or even 50 ft. lbs. Even the lug nuts on a D90/D1 are supposed to be tightened only to 95 ft. lbs. And there are many jobs that require low torque values, such as the hub nut and spark plugs. If you don't have a service manual, then you should definitely buy one before you spend money on a torque wrench or some other Snap-on toys.

I would recommend starting off with the 3/8" (20-100 ft. lbs. range) and then getting an additional 1/2" model with something like a 50-250 ft. lbs. range if you feel you need more. I like the QT series over the QD, as the cost difference between the two series is minimal. It costs only a little more to go first class.

Here are two possible options:

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&tool=all&item_ID=8380&group_I D=957&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&tool=all&item_ID=8379&group_I D=957&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

Whether you want the flex head is really up to you. It can help in some situations but be a nuissance in others.



 

Jack Parker (Jack)
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Username: Jack

Post Number: 212
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Thanks John and Peter,

I have a Craftsman (2nd, as the 1st died) 3/8" drive 10~75 ft/lb. click-type torque wrench. Good advice regarding the service manual, I have the Bentley Publications factory service manual for the D2 and you are correct (this publication shows radius arm and panhard rod at 170 ft/lb., however) most all applications are well under 150. I thought that 40/50 ~ 250 ft/lb. in 1/2" drive would cover everything out of my 3/8" range. I especially want to torque my D2's lug nuts to factory spec. I had to use a long pipe over the 18" snap-on breaker bar to get them loose. I would like to see if I can remove them with only the breaker bar once they are torqued properly, which is 103 ft/lb in the Bentley manual.

I received the Snap-on catalog today, which contains a little more information than the web site, and I'll actually get to see and play with the choices on Monday, as opposed to ordering on-line sight unseen.

..."I like feeling the precision of the various pieces in my hands, and the Techwrench just doesn't do it for me. It's sort of like comparing a Casio G-Shock to an OMEGA Speedmaster. The G-Shock does everything better, but I prefer the OMEGA. You may differ". Not really, only I compare the G-Shock to my ExplorerII (w/ black dial), which I worked my ass off for, and wear everyday doing everything including working on my cars. Nine years old and still going strong, and when it needs it, I can have it repaired, rather than throw it away:-)
 

John Lee (Johnlee)
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Username: Johnlee

Post Number: 481
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Damn. You'll be using the Snap-on torque wrench while sporting the Rolex? You know how to enjoy life. Nice.


 

Jack Parker (Jack)
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Username: Jack

Post Number: 213
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Well John,
I went for the G-shock:-) Techwrench was all she had on the truck, (no Qt, or Qd) and I'm 50 miles from the nearest Sear's and needed a bigger torque wrench. Just used it to re-torque the lugs, which I had done with 18" breaker last week after replacing f/r pads. They were at least 230 ft/lbs. and that was much lower than the tire shop, as I needed a pipe on the breaker when replacing pads. Now though, they are spot on!
Also bought 5-pc soft grip screwdriver set and got set up with the "account". Damn, those Flank Drive Plus wrenches feel nice....considering trading in some Craftsman stuff. I'll lower my tool quantity, but up the quality.
 

Blue (Blue)
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Username: Blue

Post Number: 475
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

just watched Matrix Reloaded at Imax yesterday - has anyone noticed the big Snap-On truck on the overpass during the highway destruction scene? You can see it over the Agent's right shoulder when he's jumping from the police cruiser to the Caddy via the other GM car. I think the Snap-On truck was on it's way to EE...:-)
 

John Lee (Johnlee)
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Username: Johnlee

Post Number: 483
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ok, forget the Techwrench and the Matrix. The bigger question is: was your Snap-on dealer a Hottie?


 

Jack Parker (Jack)
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Username: Jack

Post Number: 216
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Any girl driving a 30' turbo diesel van filled with $100k of Snap-on tools is ok w/ me:-)

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