| Author | Message | ||
     Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 636 Registered: 05-2003 |
What is the name of the tool and the attachment that can be used to loosen and remove lug nuts on D2 wheels? (is it called breaker bar? with an attachment?). Does anyone know what size(s) I need to gett? Also, when manuals say the specs that stuff should be tightened to (torque settings?) when you put something back on (like lug nut) - how do you measure that? Is there a tool that does that? I need to get something easier to use than what stock D2 provides for tire changing. I have to jump on the bar that it comes with several times in an attempt to loosen it - and it's not exactly a good size and shape for standing on it and jumping. If there is a brand of tool that is easiest to use, I would appreciate knowing that as well. Thanks in advance, Jamie | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 812 Registered: 02-2002 |
Snap On IM3100 | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 639 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thank you, I'll find it  Jamie | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 640 Registered: 05-2003 |
I don't mean to sound stupid, but I just found it (I think?) http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?search=true&item_ID=68260&PartNo=IM31 00&group_id=17495&store=snapon-store&tool=all when I looked for IM3100. Name Impact Wrench, Interchangeable Drivers, 3/8" and 1/2" Drive, 275 ft. lbs. Price** $376.00 Yikes!! $376 for tire changing tool? I'm sure that is a wonderful tool, but it looks pretty complicated and expensive to me. Is there something easier and cheaper that I can use for changing tire? Perhaps something that is not a power tool? Thanks again, Jamie | ||
| Eugene (Eugene) Member Username: Eugene Post Number: 150 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jamie, I'm sure an impact wrench would be helpful for changing tires, but you can also get a large breaker bar with the correct impact socket. In a previous lug nut post, the following was recommended: Impact socket: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?search=true&item_ID=3491&PartNo=im340 &group_id=399&store=snapon-store&tool=all Breaker bar: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?P65=yes&tool=all&item_ID=63580&group_ ID=349&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog The thread I'm referencing: ../17/30997.html> The combo runs about $100. -Eugene | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1218 Registered: 02-2002 |
Harbor Freight tools sells an 18 inch breaker bar for about $6. Or, Sears or home depot have just what you need at around $15-$20. If you want to torque them to spec, get a torque wrench $50 for a decent one. You set the torque on the handle and tighten the nut until you get a click to tell you its the right torque. If you do any kind of servicing other than an oil change you may want to buy one of these anyway - all rover manuals have torque specs on just about every bolt. (BTW most vehicles have a wrench in the back somewhere, have you not got this already?) Dean | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 44 Registered: 12-2003 |
Those LR wrenchs are POS. Toss it. I got the exact set-up listed above. Get the Snap-on tools listed above. And throw them into a pelican with the rest of your off road gear. | ||
| David Seger (Croakus) Member Username: Croakus Post Number: 74 Registered: 06-2003 |
I carry a Craftsman 1/2" breaker bar and a 27mm deep socket bit. For regular maintenance I use an impact wrench. Home Depot has a nice setup right now. Exactly what I'm using. It's a 25 gallon Huskey air compressor with all the tools you'll need for basic maintenance for $299. I really enjoy mine and haven't had a lick of trouble. I'm sure lots of people on this board will have lots to say about my tool choice. These guys seem to have alters to Snap on. Well, I don't work on Land Rovers for a living. My Huskey works great two or three days out of the month. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 645 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thank you very much, I'll check those out. They look like good mobile tools to use now and then stash them in rover to carry with me. Eric is right about the LR stuff. I think mine were made at the tinkertoy factory. Maybe when I learn alot and get really good at tech stuff, I will earn myself an IM3100 - I would really like to have one someday-- it sure looked cool... I'm printing this thread so that I can take it with me to get the right stuff. Thanks again for all of your suggestions, Jamie | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 646 Registered: 05-2003 |
Eric, John Lee hooked me up with an awesome pelican that even has dividers. It is totally dedicated to tools and work stuff (which includes several kinds of tape, magic markers, velcro, scissors, nitrile gloves, etc). The ONLY mishap I have had with my tool box was finding out that it is not the best place to carry those little tiny packets of dialectric grease (they squish open when pressed by stored tools). Gosh, if anyone EVER told me I would own tools or worse yet, that I would USE them to work on A TRUCK, I would have thought they were out of their bloomin' mind. Now I think I am the one out of my bloomin' mind Months ago, I knew NOTHING about tools. The thought of carrying them in an organized and accessable manner was way beyond me. I printed the pics of examples on the EE website so I could get a visual of arranging them. Dividing them into separate storage areas made things less overwhelming for me. I actually sat on the floor with pics printed from toolboxes on EE, my case, and my tools. Not knowing the names of some of what I use, I was able to look at the pics and determine how to fit them in with my other tools. I'm following John Lee's advice and have been slowly adding a tool here and there that I really need and will definitely use. It is a continued surprise to find how much easier things are with the right tool!! I did quite enough of trying to fix things with the wrong tools. It takes forever and lots of other stuff breaks in the process. | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 692 Registered: 02-2003 |
This is also a good impact wrench: http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=697 0&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=200199424&categoryId=42 8 And don't forget, you can run it off your Power Tank if you have to. - Axel | ||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 156 Registered: 02-2003 |
I agree Axel, I have 3/8 and 1/2 they are awsome and very air efficiant. With a 15lb Powertank you can really go to town. -leo | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 45 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jamie, I am right there with you! Buy what you feel is the best for your situation when you need it and forget about it. I am fast becoming a Snap-on whore. Just my personal preference. I hope to have a nice set-up by the spring for the D-90 SW. I am hoping to order this bad boy soon. With the foam inserts it will work awesome in the truck. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/Pro.asp?tool=storage&Group_ID=3140&Group_name=Pla stic+Boxes+with+Steel+Drawers+%28F%2EO%2ED%2EDesign%29&Cat_ID=2033675&Cat_NAME=T ool+Storage&Sub_Cat_ID=2034508&Sub_Cat_NAME=Plastic+Boxes+%2F+Tool+Organizers&st ore=snapon-store Just rounding out my recovery gear myself. I love the pelican divider (on the to get list), and lid organizer. I am a big fan of EE also. Try the Equal tire balancer. https://www.expeditionexchange.com/equal/ Only a few mods left. 7.5 Michelin XZL's on Wolf rims, TruTracs F&R, Hella's, replace the Warn with a Husky 8, and a safety devices roof rack. Happy New Year, EwS | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 813 Registered: 02-2002 |
Eric, you need a 15 lb. Power Tank and a Snap On IM3100. For what it's worth I also carry a breaker bar as a backup for my IM3100 And what's this shit about a Husky 8K? Do it the right way and get Husky 10. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 523 Registered: 10-2002 |
so which do you have on your TJM craig? | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 814 Registered: 02-2002 |
None yet.  Husky 10 won't fit in the TJM, so I'm thinking the Superwinch X9 or the Superwinch EP9.0. If I could stomach the look of a bumper that would fit a Husky 10, I'd do a Husky 10. However, all the commercial (and most custom) bumpers currently produced that take a Husky 10 all look like shit. If I had a Defender I'd get a setup like John's with a Husky 10. I'm not partial to the brushguard look, but his is a good example of a tasteful bumper that accepts a Husky 10. It is regrettable that there is a woeful lack of bumpers for the Disco 2 that accept sexy winches like the Husky 10. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 741 Registered: 03-2003 |
Those Rand Ti impacts are really nice. Steve Cooper came by the shop one day and I got to play with it. I almost shit the first time I picked one up and felt how light it was. And it was torquey too. And that 3/8" Ti is just so compact it's almost unreal. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 622 Registered: 09-2002 |
I love my Ti. It's small and light and the wheel is off in about 30 seconds (once it's off the ground, that is). http://www.irtools.com/2135Ti/2135Ti/template.htm Jaime, just do it, you already have a Power Tank. You won't regret it even if you only ever use it for changing wheels. You can find them for under $200 if you shop around and keep checking Ebay SC | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 742 Registered: 03-2003 |
Who needs a $400 Power Tank? Harbor Freight tools sells this impact wrench for $20: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=36175 Harbor Freight tools sells this 1/2" torque wrench for $20: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=239 You set the torque on the handle and tighten the nut until you get a click to tell you its the right torque. If you do any kind of servicing other than an oil change you may want to buy one of these anyway - all rover manuals have torque specs on just about every bolt. John | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 816 Registered: 02-2002 |
10 - 20 blows per minute? Yikes | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1235 Registered: 02-2002 |
FINALLY, someone (John!) has come round with a reasonable suggestion. Where the fuck has this thread gone? The twilight zone? When someone asks for a breaker bar and socket, because his wrench is too short, why are there suggestions for the best snap-on air drivers for $300, air-tanks for $400, even titanium drivers in case your arm get tired using it all day! WTF? LMFAO | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 822 Registered: 02-2002 |
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| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 700 Registered: 02-2003 |
Stop being a Luddite, Dean..... - Axel | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 181 Registered: 05-2003 |
If money was no object, and I had a power tank, a titanium impact wrench might be nice. But what money I do have to spend on this hobby is going to mods. My solution is an 18 inch breaker bar. And if strength of the user is an issue, a 2 foot section of pipe slipped over the handle of the breaker bar will allow you to loosen the tightest lugnut with ease. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1240 Registered: 02-2002 |
You can always jack up the end of the breaker bar. That will undo any wheel nut. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 626 Registered: 09-2002 |
"You can always jack up the end of the breaker bar. That will undo any wheel nut." You can always use an impact wrench too. Wanna race? The 20 trucks behind you just LOVE to wait while you struggle with your nuts (as it were) and your breaker bar and your 2 foot pipe and your jack. They would much rather watch and/or help instead of wheeling. BTW, I hope all you old schoolers do yourselves a favor and break your nuts loose in your driveway before you hit the trail and tighten them with the same tools you carry with you. I do SC | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 184 Registered: 05-2003 |
dude, it's not NASCAR ;) | ||
| Randy Maynard (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 722 Registered: 08-2002 |
Jaime, Craftsman 1/2" drive 1 1/16" impact socket $8.49 http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=0 0919424000 -and- Craftsman 1/2" drive Flex Handle Breaker bar $23.99 http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=0 0944201000 -or- Craftsman 1/2" drive 15" slide bar handle $12.99 http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=0 0944151000 The breaker bar is a better option, but for $30 you're set for the lug nuts. If you need more leverage, fit a pipe over the breaker bar handle. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 113 Registered: 08-2003 |
Randy - i'd add to that a length of scaffold pipe for when the lug nuts are on really tight - I keep a 3 ft length in the truck when I go on trips Jeff | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 124 Registered: 06-2002 |
What's wrong with the 3' long hi-lift jack handle that should be somewhere on your rig anyway? | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 631 Registered: 09-2002 |
"dude, it's not NASCAR ;)" I can pretend can't I? "Randy - i'd add to that a length of scaffold pipe for when the lug nuts are on really tight - I keep a 3 ft length in the truck when I go on trips" Nice, that's just what I want in my truck, a 3 ft length of scaffold. The point I was trying to make earlier was, if you make the loosening and re-torquing of your lug nuts part of your pre-trail checks, you won't have to deal with frozen nuts on the trail - well, maybe in Alaska. You all check your oil and water (and PS fluid of course) I'm assuming, so take the time to make sure you can get the goddam wheels off without having to carry a goddam 3 ft piece of scaffold, to loosen nuts that should never be that tight in the first place. SC | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1452 Registered: 02-2003 |
i've sheared two 1/2 craftsman extensions trying to get some lug nuts off. sometimes shit gets galded on there. i use the jack handle from my floor jack when the going gets tuff. rd | ||
| jesse a henning (Darw_n) Member Username: Darw_n Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2003 |
just a note for those who don't have impact wrenches... I got a flat the first week i owned my D2 this past summer. I didn't think much of it since it was parked, and I was at work, i figured i would change it afterwards. well, even with a breaker bar, i couldn't bust the lugs. so i called a tow company, they couldn't break it either with fix-a flat (leaking out the hole BTW), i drove home, and called LR service (which I was embarrased by BTW, i own a LR and can't change a flat!!), they sent out a company they use for all flats. THEY couldn't break the lugs!! finally, the company plugged the hole, and all is well. I took it in to the dealer, and they discovered that every lug was seized, steel to alum is not a good thing (which is why the rockers go all the time). so, if you don't have an impact gun, i HIGHLY recomend you loosen and re-tighten you lugs alot, other wise, you could be screwed, even with a breaker bar. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1310 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jesse - I guarantee you those lug nuts will come off if you put a decent 3/4" breaker bar and socket, and turn the handle up with a floor jack. You've got like 2-3000 lb at 2 feet, that's 4-6000 ft pounds of torque. Dean | ||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2004 |
i bought two of these $8.95 cheater pipes (one for 89 RRC, one for 01 Disco sII SE): http://www.autosportcatalog.com/index.cfm?fa=p&pid=637 it slips over the Disco's lug wrench fine. I haven't used it yet on a wheel change, but i imagine it works easier than the lug wrench stand-on acts I've had to do breaking Rangie's galvanically welded nuts free previously. That balancing act can result in broken nuts of all sorts if one isn't careful. | ||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2004 |
speaking of tools, you should see the ones we design for the Hubble repair missions at Goddard: http://sm3b.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/images/mission6.html i'll keep my day job: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1yoh1/space/space.html | ||
| neil harman (Neil30076) New Member Username: Neil30076 Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2004 |
Guys, unless i'm all screwed up, LR says the lug nuts should be torqued to 130nm ( approx 96 LB FT) and that is well within the capabilities of a standard 18 inch breaker bar with a quality 27mm deep socket ( don't use a shallow socket, it will slip off). I just had the same issue, could not undo the lugs on my 98 disco 1, even with my snap -on impact wrench at max torque, and had to take it to a tire shop to get them back off. Their tech said they were almost 200 lb ft to break loose. So word of caution, do not throw a 3 ft pipe extension on your nuts :-) or a 'super dooper titanium impact wrench - what does the metal its made of matter, anyway)! LR give you that wimpy wrench so you don't screw up the studs... Neil | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 263 Registered: 08-2003 |
Neil - Have to agree. Taking them off with a breaker bar and 3ft extension pipe is fine - just don't tighten them up with one - especially if you're running alloys - invest the $80 or so and get a half way decent torque wrench. A standard 18" bar is probably fine in sunnier climates for taking lug nuts off - In the Northeast where they tend to dump as much salt on the road as they can find the lug nuts tend to get corroded in place. I have litterally stood on a 2 ft breaker bar and jumped up and down to try and get the lug nuts off with no luck - that's after a soaking with a pressure hose and a liberal dose of wd40. Sometimes they just won't budge - then its time for the heavy artillery. FWIW a 4 or 5 ft length of scaffold pipe does double duty when you need to change springs at the front. Jeff | ||
| Bob Shinn (Bshinn) Member Username: Bshinn Post Number: 114 Registered: 01-2004 |
WTF? Am I the only person who knows about anti-sieze compound? Use it torque em to 100# & use the factory (FREE) breaker bar. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2680 Registered: 02-2002 |
Bob, I just put a 30 degree bend on the FREE bar from LR. POS thing. Time to break out the breaker bar and socket. | ||
| Randy Maynard (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 799 Registered: 08-2002 |
John, I'm coming from the "Cheap Fuck" seats again, why pay $8.95 for that pretty tool when you can buy a piece of 24" x 3/4" black pipe for $3 in ANY hardware store? Or like Rob Davison says, the handle from your floor jack works like a charm. | ||
| Bob Shinn (Bshinn) Member Username: Bshinn Post Number: 155 Registered: 01-2004 |
Paul, I've had mine off w/ the factory bar a few times w/ no problems. Do the lugs corrode, or is the bar just made of soft metal? If it's the same quality as the jack I understand. B | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2686 Registered: 02-2002 |
Bob, I think Joe Dirt at the local tire joint over torqued my lugs when the new MTRs went on. It took a 15" breaker bar with my Hi-lift handle for added leverage to break those mofos. I am looking at the crack catalog (read snap-on) for a new tire removal kit for the Pig. | ||
| sam (Dent) Member Username: Dent Post Number: 65 Registered: 01-2004 |
wow... john suggested a tool that's not a snap-on.. thought he'd suggest something like this for a torque wrench... http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?tool=hand&item_ID=8824&group_ID=985&s tore=canada&dir=catalog j/k john .. by the way that torque wrench which joh suggested is on sale for a mere $9.99 talk about cheap!! |
