| Author | Message | ||
     Ivan 94 LWB (Montoya) Member Username: Montoya Post Number: 49 Registered: 01-2003 |
found a couple links with some pics from the ny auto show. i read the other threads on the lr3 and the one on 03 disco reliability. i love my rover lwb classic and the current disco's. they have an incredible amount of character, but i hate their reliability. i've put in over $4k in repairs in 6k miles and 1.5 years. for a model that had over 300 improvements, the repairs listed on the 03 disco thread is a joke. after 25 years of production, you'd think the rover classic would be bullet proof. comparisons of the lr3 to the disco seems like apples and oranges to me. from the uk prices, the lr3 should be much more expensive, $45k plus base. a good to excellent disco can be had from $5k-$25k. if you hate the lr3 so much, don't get one and pleasure yourself with a disco. you shouldn't hate ford for their job on the lr3. if this lr3 is as good as they claim it will be, disco prices should drop even farther. you grumpy disco owners can live the rest of your lives on a huge supply of cheap-certified-soccermom-preowned-solid-axel discos. http://tinyurl.com/2mohg http://tinyurl.com/2kx8j | ||
| SSV (Susannah) Senior Member Username: Susannah Post Number: 907 Registered: 06-2002 |
TWENTY INCH WHEELS?! Good grief. "longer, lower and wider than the Disco" that says it all | ||
| Steve Turpin (Steveturpin) Member Username: Steveturpin Post Number: 45 Registered: 01-2004 |
If the LR3 comes in at a decent price, with improved reliability and decent off road performance, I will buy one. Not to offer options and features that todays market demands, would be stupid...and the reliability of past Discos (I have had both a series 1 and 2) have been miserable...to the point where I basically had both cars rebuilt from the ground up at dealerships, mostly under warranty (thank God!) The fact that I still love the vehicles says a lot for their unique style and character, but why such basic and old designs could not be made more reliable is beyond me...and what's up with all of the seal, gasket and electrical failures? If LR/Ford improved reliability and power and maintained a competent level of off road ability with some traditional LR character and style...count me in. The hardcore crowd can just keep buying and fixing the old ones...besides most if not all of us have not even seen or driven a LR3 yet... | ||
| Buddy Jones (Buddyjones) New Member Username: Buddyjones Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2004 |
From what I understand the independent suspension will mimic a solid axle like the new Range Rover's. I agree Susannah, "17-20 inch wheels" this is definetly geared toword the mall crawlers of the world. But lets face it, how many people actually take these trucks offroad? Sounds like a great daily driver. As far as the "job" Ford has done to them, Ford's goal is to sell more cars. I just hope they haven't overlooked the fact that Land Rover already has a name and a very loyal customer base. And as many Ford owners know, Fords too leak oil. I guess that is one thing we know Ford won't change. As for me, I will stick with my '01 Disco and wait for the Defender to be brought back to the States. | ||
| Ivan 94 LWB (Montoya) Member Username: Montoya Post Number: 50 Registered: 01-2003 |
please susannah, they're called dubs q=^) http://tinyurl.com/3yclc | ||
| SSV (Susannah) Senior Member Username: Susannah Post Number: 909 Registered: 06-2002 |
hahahaha Ivan, thanks for the correction! I like spinners actually.... PS my husband's name is Ivan. aren't too many of you around! I think the interior is beautiful and I'm sure it will be a great road car, I too am just concerned that they have gone too far in the direction of mass popularity and will never look back. Jeep is maintaining it's rugged appearance and marketing, LR is not. I'll keep my 95 D1, forever. | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 59 Registered: 06-2003 |
"A new, Terrain Response System features a knob on the center console by which the driver selects one of five modes (street, slippery, dirt, sand, or boulders), which then optimizes the electronic throttle, the traction control, the center and rear locking differentials, and the suspension height. " What if I'm on a road that is slippery, with dirt, sand, AND boulders? Oh, wait, that's not what this vehicle is about. Almost forgot! | ||
| Ivan 94 LWB (Montoya) Member Username: Montoya Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2003 |
it's strange to meet other ivan's. i feel like i need to have a beer with each one i meet. ford is going right after the deep pockets as they should. it is amazing that jeep's keep their ruggedness. ford has a chance to do that with the defender. | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2003 |
For the kind of money they want for the LR3, I think I'll drive a Range Rover instead. Looks way better. Come to think of it, so does the updated Freelander. | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2004 |
Susannah, you hit the nail on the head. The LR3 will be a great 'road car'. I don't think it's a surprise that Subaru is doing do well with the whole AWD/Lance Armstrong shtick. People just want to LOOK like the go outside, they don't actually WANT to BE outside. Outside is just that hot sweaty, bug infested place between the sofa and the LR3. Outside is a magazine on the toilet tank. Keep that D1, and I'll keep my DII, and when we're all old and gray we Disco-ites will help each other clean up the oil in our driveways. Oh, and Happy 25th! | ||
| Steve Turpin (Steveturpin) Member Username: Steveturpin Post Number: 46 Registered: 01-2004 |
I think your going to be doing a little more than cleaning up oil spots if you plan on keeping your older Discos...more like getting valve jobs, replacing engine blocks and transmissions, ect. Do you really think that the LR3 will only be a great 'road car'...give LR some credit...moderate off road ability, at a minimum, is a must for the LR3, and they know that. | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2004 |
dream on Mall-Boy! There's a spot right up front by Sears waiting for you...right where you will need it for easy loading of your Joe Weider Jogger-Pro! My "Valve Job" will still get me around Telico. | ||
| Steve Turpin (Steveturpin) Member Username: Steveturpin Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2004 |
Let's hope you don't slip a cylinder sleeve or loose your transmission while you're out in the boonies...could require an airlift. I had a 96 D1 and currently have a 99D2 and do my share of moderate off roading...you're kidding yourself if you think you have a reliable rig, and are going to be driving it forever...unless, of course, you start the extra college fund now...you're going to need the money! Just because I understand what LR is trying to do with the LR3, does not make me a mall crawler. Besides, if you listen to most of the hardcore wheelers here, you can't do shit off road with a stock D1 or D2 anyways...it has to be modded to get the job done right... | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 203 Registered: 03-2003 |
I kinda liked the official photos. These autoshow shots are making that thing look down right fugly. It really bugs me that they didnt continue that line through the doors. The back just keeps looking worse with every photo I see. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 1175 Registered: 09-2002 |
You noticed the "line" thing too Ian??  | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 49 Registered: 03-2004 |
"Modded" to do the job right? How about 3" springs, 800 bucks worth of armor! What'd I spend...2 g's? As for reliability...if the LR3 is screwed together with the exacting standards my wife's Mustang was, then I'll take my chances with the Disco. Trade in the DII already...it's clear you don't like it, want it, need it or get it. | ||
| Ivan 94 LWB (Montoya) Member Username: Montoya Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2003 |
ford had some line issues with the jag s-type too. on the pre 2001 or 2002 models, they had three lines on their doors. after many critics said it looked too busy, they took the middle one out. keep up the gripes and maybe ford will pencil one in on the lr3. three lined s-type . . . http://www.mgracing.an/jaguar/ae02.jpg two lined s-type . . . http://tinyurl.com/2kvuu | ||
| Steve Turpin (Steveturpin) Member Username: Steveturpin Post Number: 50 Registered: 01-2004 |
Actually James, I plan on keeping my D2, as I like it despite it's problems...and basically at 70K it's like new, since it has a new motor and transmission in it. The fact is though, most consumers would not tolerate such miserable reliability issues, and are scared off by the LR reputation...there's a reason why the Disco name was dropped for the LR3 in the US market. I think you need to look at these issues from a business perspective, rather than as a hobbyist...then you might understand. I love Land Rovers despite their reliability issues, but only a fool would blind themselves to those issues. My plan is to keep the old one and pick up a new one, if I can afford it... | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 1176 Registered: 09-2002 |
Nothin' a Jiffy marker can't fix. | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2004 |
Last post guys...I promise. Steve, I'm not a hobbyist, I'm a customer. I paid lots of money for a new 03 DII, money Ford would not get from me were I to make my decision next year. Period. One day I'll dent it, and then I'll put a sticker on the dent. ;) | ||
| Steve Turpin (Steveturpin) Member Username: Steveturpin Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2004 |
What would you buy if you were in the market for a new car next year...assuming, of course, that all of the center locking 04's were gone... | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Senior Member Username: Markp Post Number: 293 Registered: 02-2002 |
LR3 will look like a D1 in 3-4 years. Example - Jaguar XJ6 Series III -> XJ-40 (1987) -> current XJ. The current XJ has gone back to the Series III styling. The XJ-40 styling was never liked. With all the electronic / air systems the LR3 will have an even steeper depreciation curve. While it will probably be more reliable than the Discovery/RRC products, the systems cost a lot of money to repair, thus the discount. | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Senior Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 313 Registered: 12-2003 |
they couldn't have picked a worse color to show it. It looks a lot like a Element in those pictures. The official LRNA photo's make it look alright, except for the back end, don't get me started on that. | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 737 Registered: 02-2002 |
what a gorgeous minivan. it's just missing a side sliding door. Ho Chung | ||
| Sandy Deke (Disco_deke) New Member Username: Disco_deke Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2004 |
God damn, that thing is just butt ugly. But I really dig those mud terrain tires. The longer wheel base ought to help it on the trail, too. | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2004 |
What would I buy next year? I'm expecting my '03 to last a little longer than that! ;) That's my point! With no Disco on the market, I'll be buying a used truck. Actually, I could just vacation in Cyprus, bring back a nice 110 sans motor, and then have the boys at ECR drop in their pursuit 4.6! WOOHOO! | ||
| Steve Turpin (Steveturpin) Member Username: Steveturpin Post Number: 66 Registered: 01-2004 |
Here are tons of new pics from the NY auto show...including under the hood... http://gallery.dealerrater.com/gallery/shows.asp?galleryid=5 | ||
| Buddy Jones (Buddyjones) New Member Username: Buddyjones Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2004 |
No raingutters, big glass roof? Will there be a way to put a sturdy enough rack up there to haul all your gear? I see on the LR site that the drop down tailgate portion allows for easy access to the roof, but for what? To wash it and clean the glass? | ||
| Steve Turpin (Steveturpin) Member Username: Steveturpin Post Number: 67 Registered: 01-2004 |
You don't need a rack now, because everything will fit inside... | ||
| Michael L. Palmieri (Great_pumpkin) Member Username: Great_pumpkin Post Number: 68 Registered: 01-2004 |
Well, that photo gallery shows lots of stuff. The new cubby boxes in the rear cargo area, the new dash and consol (electronic switch to get into the low box - BOO! and what is up with the parking break lever?). And, believe it or not, it looks like the glove box got even smaller On the outside, the back looks worse and worse with each photo. The rear bumber has NO STYLE whatsover. Like i said before, I am glad I bought my 04 G4 and will keep that a looooong time. | ||
| Barry (Barry) New Member Username: Barry Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hmmm... rather sizable water intake on the passenger side fender. Or, is it just factory ready for a Safari Snorkel? -Barry | ||
| dhk (Kay_tell) Member Username: Kay_tell Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2004 |
grumpy disco owners ! LOL how do us range rover owners feel with the new range stomer? gull wing doors! pitty the poor! | ||
| Perry Ray Miller (Discojunky) Member Username: Discojunky Post Number: 161 Registered: 03-2003 |
I hate to see the Land Rover products lose the "magic". Its seems like every manufacturer is making ugly plastic trimmed boxes for the masses. Pretty soon ford will switch the front axles out with IFS and all the LR# will be is a high priced less reliable Xterra. Don't get me wrong I love my D1 dispite its downfalls and hopefully I'll be driving it 10 years from now on trails that you mall jockies can only dream about on a food court sugar rush. True it might have a different motor, it might have a different transmission but so do most 10-30yr old scouts, jeeps and land cruisers that pass you on the trails. | ||
| James M. Reed (Utahdog2003) Member Username: Utahdog2003 Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2004 |
be careful Perry... I learned first hand that the Mall Jockeys on this board can get pretty testy! | ||
| Billy Deakins (Discodog) Member Username: Discodog Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2003 |
Damn Ford! |
