| Author | Message | ||
     quentin charles neil ross (Qcnr) Member Username: Qcnr Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2003 |
Now I realise it is "relatively" easy to lift a EAS vehicle using spacers, but what about the shockabsorbers???? Anyone know where +2" shocks can be obtained? I cant find references anywhere. | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 376 Registered: 07-2002 |
Have a look at this: http://www.rangerovers.net/rrupgrades/airlifts.html | ||
| quentin charles neil ross (Qcnr) Member Username: Qcnr Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2003 |
Thanks for that very detailed but a little more extreme than I am looking for. There arent any shocks (such as OME, DeCarbon, Bilstein) that would simply drop in??????? Brakelines, sensors, spacers all ok just cant find any shocks and rebuilding mounts etc is not really an option as vehicle has to be inspected after a modification, so the simpler the better. | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 377 Registered: 07-2002 |
I think Bilstein is the only aftermarket company that makes a direct drop-in shock for the P38 without any modification, but thats for stock height. You could call them and see if they make one similar but longer, or maybe use one for a different application that will work in the P38. | ||
| quentin charles neil ross (Qcnr) Member Username: Qcnr Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2003 |
Yes i think it is time to resort to the telephone rather than the internett. Thanks for your help.  | ||
| Andrew Parker (P38memate) New Member Username: P38memate Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hey Guys been here and done this. What is more the link Alan has posted is my white RR. The loop and post mounting is not unique but does limit our choices. The closeset thing I considered were some of the LTR old man emu stuff that Expedition Exchange has. In the end I torched off the post mounts on the axels and replaced them with a sleeve and bushing loop type shock mount. Not what you are perhaps looking to do. Lifting the P38 is not a simple thing to do and if its done correctly its not relatively easy if you are going to retain the EAS. You need to be paying attention to your steerings caster angle and the front drive line angles as the chassis will tolerate being run in extended mode at high way speeds but it will vibrate and be unstable. If you figure out a way to override the EAS the way I did when I figured out the lift I completed on my White 96 4.6HSE in the link all of this will become clear the first time you do it. I don't recommend it. The front and rear OEM shocks are not the same length but do remember this. They keep the air springs from shedding the bladder when you lift a wheel and top out the suspension. AP | ||
| Steve Gurney (Sgl322) New Member Username: Sgl322 Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hi Andrew Excuse the long delay between posts - I have just found this board. Let's say you lift the EAS by 2" using spacers, well I don't see why you just can't run the at a height close to the normal highway setting when you are driving on road by feeding in a compenstaion factor electronically. Using such an electronic adjustment you could set the car to run at a height equivalent to the standard height of a normal car when on-road and this would mean you do not have to worry about steering or driveline angles for on road driving. This electronic compensation setting could be simply activated by a switch when you go on road and hence lower the car by approx 2", bringing all angles back to the normal setting. Did you consider this route, and if so what were the issues? Cheers Steve | ||
| Andrew Parker (P38memate) New Member Username: P38memate Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2003 |
My first though after driving my RR was how can I increase the distance in the EAS between the high way mode and normal mode. I think your 2" offset spacer and electronic tweek could work. I did an electronic offset to see what the OEM suspension was like at freeway speeds in extended mode. By running about a volt into the return line for the sensors you can fake out the EAS processor and make it think it is higher or lower depending on which way you set the polarity of the feed voltage see: www.rangerovers.net John has a bit on doing this. This would be the non Rover-Comm Light way of doing it. Running extended told me caster needs fixing and that the front drive shaft needs a double cardian joint for increased running angle with the 3" lift I was looking to do. In order to make the system work you have to understand the limitations associated with the air bags which took the most effort. If you space them off the axel by two inches you will run into other problems though. For instance the OEM shocks supply about 6 inches of wheel travel. If you want suspension that is compliant and supple you don't want to run the air bags up at extended mode for a good off road ride. The key to enhanced off road performance is longer wheel travel. If your going to do this start thinking about 10" travel shocks so you can get perhaps at least 8" of usable wheel travel from four rear air bags or do the steel coil springs instead. The rear air bags and pistons can provide almost that much if you can stop the sweep of the panhard rod from swinging the axel off to the side to far. The air springs really work the best at about just an inch or so higher than normal mode were the bulge is just starting to become uncovered by the lobe. But the other thing you have to look at is the alignment of the air bags piston and cap when the suspension is bottomed out. I think just the addition of a 2" spacer will muck that up pretty well with all else being left as it came from the P38A production line. Ive been experimanting with some 10" tavel Bilstein 5150 shocks on the front and they suck going over speed bumps compared with the Edelbrock IAS shocks I've been running. In spite of having two of these IAS shocks fail with-in a year I am still sold on the IAS design for a non adjusatble fixed valving shock absorber. I'm going to continue to talk to Edelbrock about an extended travel application for our P38A RR's. |
