| Author | Message | ||
     Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1024 Registered: 05-2002 |
I am looking at a p38 after totalling my DS2. First off, does anyone know if my sliders will fit? I seem to recall somewhere that the p38 and DS2 have the same wheelbase and sill setup. Second: what is available for a winch bumper? Third: Where do I get one of those cool low-profile roof racks? Thanks in advance for your help. -Curtis | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 405 Registered: 07-2002 |
P38 wheelbaes is 108", D2 is 100". There have been a couple of people that have made their own sliders, check these out: http://www.lrcsd.com/Newsletter/MayJun2003.pdf Joel Rocha of Texasrovers also has a set that was custom made. There are no winch bumpers avaliable, you can get the factory winch mount, but it really hangs low and is rediculously priced: http://www.roverconnection.com/RR4%20Acc%20Pix/rr4winch.htm I will be fabricating my own winch bumper in a couple of weeks along the lines of the Rovertym slimline bumpers and putting on a Warn 9.5ti, I will post how it turns out. You can get the roof rack from roverconnection and sometimes used on ebay and the other various LR classified websites. I think someone was trying to sell one here on dweb. http://www.roverconnection.com/RR4%20Acc%20Pix/r4rack.htm | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1026 Registered: 05-2002 |
Cool - thanks Alan. It looks like my options are limitied so I will likely be making that stuff myself as well. I had just made a rear bumper for my DS2 and was about to send it to the powdercoater when I flipped in into a ravine. I have learned it takes much longer to do non-production and prototype fabrication than it does to just go buy the stuff  Too bad there is not more out there and this may impact whether I buy the p38. | ||
| Andrew Parker (P38memate) New Member Username: P38memate Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2003 |
Curtis, Get the P38. Then start calling the likes of ARB and others. Sooner or later they'll start developing the goodies. KAMAR makes a rear bumper which is a bit large but could help with tail dragging. I found that cutting all the lower valence plastic from the OEM bumpers is a grand improvement. Alan has a sweet looking lifted spring conversion on his ride and I have jacked mine up by some 3 inches. These Land Rovers are great when off the paved road and on as well for the drive home. I hope the lack of aftermarket accessories doesn't thrust you into a regretfull decision! AP | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 739 Registered: 03-2003 |
One of our customers has a Kaymar HD rear bumper on his P38. Looks pretty good too. I don't know who imports Kaymar Rover stuff though. Perhaps Man-A-Fre might. For the roof rack, go with that bitchin Safety Devices rack for the P38. I have always loved that rack. I seem to recall there was even a rear ladder for the P38 vehicles. I think the old TReK vehicles had them. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 740 Registered: 03-2003 |
This one: http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/trekrack.jpg | ||
| John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Senior Member Username: Johnc Post Number: 555 Registered: 07-2002 |
What's the story on the Audi TT in the newsletter? Just curious... Thanks, John C. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 810 Registered: 02-2002 |
I believe the roof rack Alan posted is indeed the Safety Devices roof rack. I agree that this rack looks bad ass. | ||
| Seth Philyaw (Rr93classic) New Member Username: Rr93classic Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2004 |
Will a Disco I arb bumper bolt up to a Range Rover classic? | ||
| Ron Beckett (Ron_beckett) New Member Username: Ron_beckett Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2004 |
For P38A owners, Kaymar no longer make the rear step bar. I was looking for one myself so contacted Kaymar (I'm in Australia). They claimed that (a) the RR dimensions vary so much they couldn't be sure of any bumper they sent out would fit any P38A and (b) the cast alloy side plates which emulate the panels behind the rear wheel arch were now so expensive that it wasn't worth making the rear step bar any more. I note that they have now removed the step bar info from their website. | ||
| Ron Beckett (Ron_beckett) New Member Username: Ron_beckett Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2004 |
For P38A owners, I forgot to add that there is an article on sliders for the P38A in the Land Rover Club of San Diego newsletter "Waypoints" Vol 5, No.3 May-June 2003 - http://www.lrcsd.com/Newsletter/MayJun2003.pdf Contact Rover Works - nick@rover-works.com for availability. | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 424 Registered: 07-2002 |
I am currently wrapping up my winch bumper design for the P38 RR and here are a couple of spy pics. R&D should be completed next week and if there is any interest I can put the bumper into production. I will post the final product soon.    | ||
| Randy Black (Snuffer) New Member Username: Snuffer Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2004 |
Alan the winch and bumper look good, where's the research facility? | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 425 Registered: 07-2002 |
Hi Randy, Shhhhhh. Bill Gates' garage. Alan | ||
| Robert Lee (Boblee) New Member Username: Boblee Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2003 |
Alan, the bumper and winch look great. Id like to check it out in person sometime if you get a chance. I recently took out the EAS on my P38, and put on some Dobinson springs. Id like to put them next to each other and see how much of a difference these have vs the OME ones. | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 426 Registered: 07-2002 |
Hi Robert, Come to the next okrovers meeting Jan 31st, I should have everything done by then or give me a call at work or e-mail me. http://www.okoffroad.com/okrovers/events.htm Alan | ||
| Sean Arney (Seana) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Seana Post Number: 92 Registered: 05-2003 |
Alan, Im pretty interested in your bumper design too. How about some more details when you get it done! | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 427 Registered: 07-2002 |
No problem, I will post with some details next week. | ||
| Pugsly (Pugsly) Senior Member Username: Pugsly Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm so excited that folks are working on aftermarket kit for the P38. I knew it would only be a matter of time! That front bumper looks great, Alan. | ||
| Edward Neal (Insaneed) New Member Username: Insaneed Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2004 |
No not Bill Gate's garage, My shop. Alan, I just picked up the bumper from the powder coater this afternoon. It looks good. I hope to have it all together wed. afternoon for you to pick up. I did not get any pics of it because of the snow here. I will plan to see you wed. after work. For anyone who would like details or pics I plan on getting some info posted tomorrow. If you are interested sent me an email and I will get you pictures and pricing. InsaneEd's Offroad | ||
| Andrew Parker (P38memate) New Member Username: P38memate Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2003 |
Alan, Awsome bumper just what the P38A needed in a big way. Are you going to skid plate the lower radiator area? AP | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 431 Registered: 07-2002 |
Hi Andrew, There will be an aluminum skid plate for the lower cross-member area. I will swing by Wed Edward. FYI, Edward is a real craftsman, the workmanship and finish of the bumper is second to none. | ||
| Edward Neal (Insaneed) New Member Username: Insaneed Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hey guys! Sorry about posting so late, I had some business to take care of today. Here are a few poorly lit pics for tonight.    Hope to have some better pics in the morning, and reply to your emails. Thanks InsaneEd's Offroad | ||
| Edward Neal (Insaneed) New Member Username: Insaneed Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2004 |
Here is a few more for everyone.   Alan your winch looks great in these!!  Well I have to go put the finishing touches on now, so you guys enjoy! InsaneEd | ||
| Andrew Parker (P38memate) New Member Username: P38memate Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2003 |
What are you doing to protect the windshield washer pump motors and tank? When I chopped the bottom of my bumpers off the OEM steel backed section was just barely thick enough to keep them covered from the front. Perhaps to state the obvious, put some air holes in the skid plate for the lower part of the radiator. Very nice. I'll be looking forward to pricing and availability off line Ed. Thanks for the shots it looks great! | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 435 Registered: 07-2002 |
P38 winch bumper is done and here are some details. It is made out of 1/4" steel with a 5/16” 6061 T6 Aluminum skid plate integrated into the design. The ac condenser hangs between the front frame cross-member, so some sort of skid plate had to be fitted in front of the cross-member to protect it. The bumper mounts run from the top frame horn all the way down to the bottom of the frame cross-member with a skid mount built in to bolt on the aluminum skid plate. The bumper is one huge piece after welding it together making it really strong and with the mounts running from the frame horn all the way down to the bottom of the cross-member, it is not going anywhere, it is basically part of the RR’s frame now. The wings are all boxed for strength. The Warn 9.5ti which is a pretty narrow winch helps with how far the bumper sticks out. The bumper was designed to be as narrow as possible without hacking into the RR’s grill and trim. As you can see from the pics, the washer fluid bottle hangs down a little, I will probably try to relocate it in the future, but I think it sits up high enough that it shouldn’t be a problem. The AC drier also sticks down a little but hugs up against the cross-member. I will have to keep an eye out for this. Here is a link to some larger pics, these are as large as my sbc dsl will let me upload, I can e-mail some higher res pics if anyone wants them: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/p38rover@sbcglobal.net    | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 369 Registered: 08-2003 |
I'm drooling on my keyboard... Seeing that makes me want to get a lifted P38 even more. Sometime in the future hopefully. Nice job guys. -Matt | ||
| Christian Kuhtz (Ckuhtz) New Member Username: Ckuhtz Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2003 |
What size tires are on this truck? Which lift kit and how many inches of lift? | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 436 Registered: 07-2002 |
Hi Christian: This is what I did to my P38: http://www.discoweb.org/p38coil/index.htm I recently replaced the front OME 761 and trim packers with OME 764 DS springs in anticipation of adding the bumper and winch. I got front driveshaft vibes immediately after replacing the 761's with the 764's. I replaced the front driveshaft with a double cardon unit from Great Basin Rovers, no more vibes. I now have about 3.75 inches of lift front and back, and with the bumper and winch installed. Tires are BFG MT/KM 265/75/16, there is plenty of room to go larger, but that just opens up another can of worms. | ||
| Chris von C. (Chrisvonc) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Chrisvonc Post Number: 372 Registered: 07-2002 |
Is there room enought to cut into the grill and loose a couple more inches off the front of the bumper or is it pretty tight behind the grill? | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 437 Registered: 07-2002 |
There is a metal bar that runs just behind the lower trim piece (painted trim piece below grill). You could probably cut that and the grill to lose a couple of inches, but you would end up hacking the front end up pretty good. | ||
| Andy Nichols (Lrcb40) New Member Username: Lrcb40 Post Number: 36 Registered: 09-2002 |
Sweet! | ||
| Sean Arney (Seana) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Seana Post Number: 98 Registered: 05-2003 |
Bravo Alan!! It looks pretty darn nice! Another guy cross posted a link to your pics on RR list, I thought they were his...either way, looks like a nice clean job. Did you CAD the design of the bumper? Would you share the files? | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 563 Registered: 10-2002 |
Arney, You got a P38 now too? Is it gonna get hood ducts? :-) I'm talking my friend into getting one as a second car to go with his Porsche 993 C4S. We're looking for 96-97 with 60-80k miles. Where did you find such a screamin deal on Wolf's? best, Jack | ||
| Ron Beckett (Ron_beckett) New Member Username: Ron_beckett Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2004 |
Yes, re Sean's comment above, I put the link up but I didn't put enough text with it so a few people assumed it was my RR - I had to quickly issue a denial. Sorry Alan. Ron | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 444 Registered: 07-2002 |
Thanks for the compliments guys. No problem Ron. Sean, I initally did draw it up on AutoCad, but it wasn't much help, but it was good for conveying the design idea to Edward to fabricate it, I have the file if you want it. He then fabbed it out of cardboard first to make sure we were in agreement with the design and dimensions. The cardboard booty fab worked great.  | ||
| Christian Kuhtz (Ckuhtz) New Member Username: Ckuhtz Post Number: 24 Registered: 06-2003 |
Jack, if you're going to help somebody buy a P38A, one might seriously consider buying a '99 or newer with Bosch Motronic vs GEMS. They've come down in price very nicely. | ||
| Jack Poehlman (Jpoehlman) New Member Username: Jpoehlman Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2004 |
For those of you looking for sliders for the P38...your time has arrived. I'm currently producing two sets this week at North Texas Rover. These are the one's that Joel Rocha has. I'll try they to get some better pictures posted in the next day on my '96 4.0, but here they are:  The basic design is a 2" x 6" x 1/4" wall box tube welded to are pair of custom mounts. The mounts are more or less U shaped and are held in place by a 3/4" bolt that goes through existing holes in the frame. The Box tubing sits about 1/4" under the sill and extends out to be in plane with the outer edge of the tires. The bottom of the slider is slightly below the bottom of the frame, but does not have much of an effect on the ground clearance. There are currently 3 sets of these sliders in use today including Joel's. They are extremly strong and have been trail tested. You can use a jack under the sliders to raise the entire side of the Ranger Rover if you would like. If there is enough interest, I'll gear up to make more. send me an email at JPoehlman@msn.com if you have any questions or are interested in getting a set. | ||
| Chris Musni (Chrism) New Member Username: Chrism Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm interested in a set. Please post a close up picture. Cost? Thanks | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 217 Registered: 02-2003 |
Nice work gents...toodles on the steel work on the P38s | ||
| Jack Poehlman (Jpoehlman) New Member Username: Jpoehlman Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2004 |
Here are some better pictures from Joel's Rangie. Joel chose to have his powered coated black. They came out very nice.   Email me off line for pricing - JPoehlman@msn.com | ||
| Ron Beckett (Ron_beckett) New Member Username: Ron_beckett Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2004 |
Re the sliders, have you any pix from under the car showing the attachment etc.? | ||
| Jack Poehlman (Jpoehlman) New Member Username: Jpoehlman Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2004 |
Until I get throught the patent process, I'm not willing to share the design of the brackets. I will say they attach in two place on each side, and encompass the frame at some if it's strongest points. The brackets are made in such a way that they are certainly stronger than the Range Rover frame. I would bet they would provide a significant amount of protection in a side impact as well. | ||
| Christian Kuhtz (Ckuhtz) New Member Username: Ckuhtz Post Number: 26 Registered: 06-2003 |
So, to confirm, these pictures.. http://www.lrcsd.com/Newsletter/MayJun2003.pdf describe a completely different mounting approach than yours? I can't picture your approach, and before I shell out the money you're asking for this, I'd like to know more. I'm sure others feel the same. | ||
| Sean Arney (Seana) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Seana Post Number: 104 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jack, sorry for the long delay in response. Wolf's and mine I found here in Austin, TX. There's lots of them down here, but its pretty hard to find cherry ones. Mine had the coils done already and a really nice interior but I paid more than Wolf did...Wolfs has since had EAS and trans blow, and he ahd about 2-3k worth of work to do to get it into nice shape. They are around, but expect to pay 10k for a decent one. I wont be cutting this one - the hood vents only work for evacuating heat ON the trail...it works but Im not sure its worth it overall - it would be bad on the p38 | ||
| Jack Poehlman (Jpoehlman) New Member Username: Jpoehlman Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2004 |
Christian, and all, Yes, the mounting method described in the LRCSD news letter is completely different from mine. Their method is to weld brackets to the frame, then bolt the slider to the brackets. Given their design methodology, it's a descent product. Your quest for greater knowledge is understandable. I'll see if I can shed more light: Our methodology was to build a slider that could be attached to the P38 Range Rover without the need for other vehicle modifications and to be strong enough to take any type of impact possible. To do this a frame mounting option had to be found with existing holes for any hardware. So, the challenge became to construct brackets in such a fashion that they could take the abuse with out damage to any other components. The result, two brackets on each side that encompass 3 sides of the frame (all but the top) and use one 3/4" bolt to connect the side plate together, and pin the bracket to the frame. The Steel used in the brackets is all 1/4 plate which is by far stronger than the 14 gauge sheet metal used to build the Rover frame. The actual slider it self is pretty simple....brut strength, a 2" x 6" piece of structural box tubing is used for the slider it self. The bracket extend almost all the way out to the edge of the box tubing, and are welded on on 2 of the 4 sides. You ask, "where are the frame attachment point?" The forward bracket encompasses the frame where the Transmission cross member connects. The rearward bracket encompasses the frame where the rear trailing arm bolts to the frame. Both of these points are strong structural points of the frame and are designed for high dynamic loading. Given that the brackets are true the complicated part of this product, I'd be happy to sell the bracket without the box tubing slider if you wanted to complete the fabrication yourself. Hope that answers most of the questions. | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 345 Registered: 05-2003 |
That bumper kicks ass Alan! I'll definitely be calling you in a few years when I get a p38 of my own. Jamil | ||
| Sean Arney (Seana) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Seana Post Number: 105 Registered: 05-2003 |
So could the slider itself fit further under the body? It looks like its sticking out a few inches from the side - or is that camera angle? I dont want any extra sticking out if possible...looks really nice though bud! And I am interested in the bumper. I guess the real trick to either is in the mounting brackets eh? | ||
| Jack Poehlman (Jpoehlman) New Member Username: Jpoehlman Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2004 |
I think it's more of a camera angle than anything. The slider's are in line with the outer edge of the tires. They do extend out about 2" usable inches that can be used as a step. Not nearly as much as running boards do/would. I guess if it were a major issue, we could use some 2x3 or 2x4 box tubing instead of 2x6, but that would not provide much protection in an off camber situation. | ||
| Victor (Vabiro) Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hi, I just came across this page that might be of interest: Bumpers and winches: http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/brushbars.html Sliders & Protection: http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/index.html#protection Cheers, Victor http://www.landroveradventure.com | ||
| Ron Beckett (Ron_beckett) New Member Username: Ron_beckett Post Number: 23 Registered: 01-2004 |
The white P38A at the top of the http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/brushbars.html page is mine. Ron | ||
| Sean Arney (Seana) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Seana Post Number: 107 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jack, I am very interested, but I am looking for 0" overhang from the edge of the door. I dont quite get what you mean by less off camber protection...do you mean door protection? If its that hairy, your going to take some door anyway. Id rather take door pannel than try to straighten the sils back out. My classic has SG sliders that have taken a SEVERE punding and now both sils and doors are slightly dicked up. My concern is that the sills are protected going over and more importantly around narrow rock passages. I think any amount sticking out from the door edge is a detriment in my expeience. I guess it probably varies from application to application. Can you describe the off camber problem a bit? How much are you asking for these sliders not icluding shipping - maybe you're right about the 2" lip and Ill just take a pair...what is the lead time required? | ||
| Jack Poehlman (Jpoehlman) New Member Username: Jpoehlman Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2004 |
Sean, you have mail. I have put gathered a few more pictures, and descriptions onto my wedsite. www.poehlman.net/p38aslider Enjoy, Jack | ||
| Sean Arney (Seana) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Seana Post Number: 108 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks JackP, nice work! ...and uh, I just remembered who Jack quinlan is: Wance ah Vuhmanna, always a Vuhmanna...how you doing there young man? | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 595 Registered: 10-2002 |
"Awww kant cumplayne. Woooden do me enny good if uh did!" The search for the P38 is progressing nicely. Some boys from a local independent shop are obliging us by looking for a truck at the large southern california auction. I bought my disco this way and if you've got the right person looking you can really come out ahead. Should be able to pick up a 96 4.0 with about 80k mi. for about $10k plus commision. Since the shop knows they already have a buyer and they don't need to do any advertising or work on the vehicle they let it go pretty cheap. Of course you have to convince them that you're serious and you know what you're talking about in the first place. It also helps if you don't care about color and aren't afraid of a headgasket or crappy EAS. We just want a really cosmeticaly good truck with no REAL problems. Right off the bat the truck will get all the fluids changed over to Mobil 1 synth, prolly a new head gasket, coil conversion with OMEs, some BFG ATs and twin true-tracs. Should be pretty stealth! | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 486 Registered: 07-2002 |
Jack: I could be wrong, but is the tru-trac avaliable for the P38? | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 597 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan, shit. -Jack yeah i just spent about a half hour on the phone with bill davis discussing the many facets of the p38 axle set up and things are looking pretty sorry. he said he personaly appealed to trachtech to produce the trutrac for the p38 and they weren't intrested. considering bill distrbutes just about all the rover traction diffs in North America and Israel for that matter, it doesn't look good. basically, the ARB is the only choice, but with no heavy duty axleshaft option it seems like a risky and costly proposition. he agreed that dual TTs would be the sweet setup if and when they make them for the p38, but for now it's just a dream. i even talked to him about taking d2 axles and trying to flip them upside down and swap them but he said it wouldn't work. hmmmmmm... | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 487 Registered: 07-2002 |
Man, that really sucks about the tru-tracs, thanks Jack for the update. I guess I will have to sell one of my kids to get the ARB's. |
