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     Jason Michaels (H2eater) New Member Username: H2eater Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2003 |
Does anyone know anything about the older model Diesel UK DF110's? I am about to purchase one and don't know much about it other than it's rare to find one in the states. I would love to chat with anyone who is willing... Thanks. | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 106 Registered: 02-2003 |
Where is it I remember a guy that had a 95 110 PU with the 300 tdi. What year is the D-110 you are considering | ||
| Sean Hanagan (Seanh) Member Username: Seanh Post Number: 218 Registered: 05-2002 |
When you say older what do you mean? 1984? 1994? There have been a few motors in the last 20 years, some of them good and some of them bad. | ||
| Jason Michaels (H2eater) New Member Username: H2eater Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2003 |
It's a 1985 w/ the 4cyl 2.6liter Diesel engine. I am getting a TDI 300 setup with the truck to do a transplant... | ||
| Jason Michaels (H2eater) New Member Username: H2eater Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2003 |
Doh... 2.5liter I mean... | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1993 Registered: 02-2002 |
If you imagine that it's a coil-sprung SIII, it'll make better sense.... -L | ||
| Jason Michaels (H2eater) Member Username: H2eater Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2003 |
You've lost me... Why would I imagine that is a SIII? It's a Defender 110. ??? | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1995 Registered: 02-2002 |
An '84 Defender is almost the same thing as a SIII.... the only real difference is the coil-versus leaf-spring suspension..... That's what I meant.... -L | ||
| Sean Hanagan (Seanh) Member Username: Seanh Post Number: 219 Registered: 05-2002 |
Leslie, Don't forget the longer hood  | ||
| Jason Michaels (H2eater) Member Username: H2eater Post Number: 42 Registered: 03-2003 |
It's basically the same thing as the 110 Pickup from Tomb Raider right? | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 1997 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh, yeah... If you put a SIII beside a Defender, the differences are minimal. The breakfast is moved forward flush with the front wing panels (thus Sean's longer hood), and you have coil springs instead of leaf-springs. LRNA Defenders are all V8s and have roll-cages, etc., but older pre-Defender 90 and 110 Rovers are simpler, very much like a Series III. The TR110 is a 3-door, yes. You'd not have all of the goodies to start with of course, but, you'd be able to build it into a replica easy enough. Oh, BTW.... the TR110 was a V8, not a Tdi, FWIW.... You have seen this page, haven't you? http://www.expeditionexchange.com/trd/index.htm -L | ||
| Jason Michaels (H2eater) Member Username: H2eater Post Number: 43 Registered: 03-2003 |
This is a 1985 Ex. British Military Defender 110 2.5liter Diesel, 5spd, w/ Softtop. I am also getting a complete 300TDI engine as part of the deal to install into the vehicle. So, with that being said, is this 1985 DF110 basically the same as the Tomb Raider 110 from the movie?  | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2001 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well, first off.... The 110 for the movie was built for it, and unlike any other. The Tomb Raider 110 is a V8 with an automatic, not a 5-speed Tdi like you're looking at. Also, the one in your pic above has a door on the side, right behind the driver's door, which is a small storage locker, that the TR110 doesn't have. Roll bar, diamond plating, paint, winches, sliders, brush-bars, lighting, wheels, roofrack, gear, etc., are all things you'll have to add. Oh, also, that one in your pic is a LHD, whereas the one in Tomb Raider is a right-hand drive vehicle... But, if you're just trying to make a vehicle look a lot like the TR110, it'll be a good basis for it... FWIW... -L | ||
| Jason Michaels (H2eater) Member Username: H2eater Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2003 |
Thanks for stating the obvious. Now, does anyone out there have any information other that what the basic human eye can see by looking at the two vehicles side by side? What about this 2.5liter diesel engine? Do I really need the 300TDI engine over the 2.5liter? I am looking more along the lines of mechanical things Leslie not cosmetic. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2003 Registered: 02-2002 |
It depends on what you want it to be.... The Tdi would be a better engine, you'll like it better, given than the older non-turbo 2.5 diesel is not known for being "peppy". Should be a simple-enough swap.... you may need to swap transmissions, too, or use an adapter.... a 200 TDi would bolt up to the older transmissions, but a different transmission was used by the time the 300 Tdi came on the scene. Tell us what your goals are for this truck, and we can help you better. Do you want to make an exact replica of the TR 110? If so, forget the diesels and get a V8. Are you wanting to just paint it gray and make it look like the TR, but stick with the diesel instead? Couldn't blame ya, it'd be a cool truck that way... Other than engine/transmission selection and cosmetics, it IS the same truck, if that's what you're wanting to hear.... Let us know what your goal is, and we'll try to help (and I'll quit giving late-night smart-aleck responses, too.... )... -L | ||
| Jason Michaels (H2eater) Member Username: H2eater Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2003 |
My plan is create something cross between a Camel Trophy truck and the TR 110. So I guess this will suffice. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2006 Registered: 02-2002 |
Okay, makes sense.... Yep, it'd be a good foundation for it. Pick your paint, (Bonetti Gray or BL-Sandglow), bolt on your accessories... CTs were all diesel, so go ahead and make the Tdi work, you'd like it better than the plain 2.5 (caveat: if the 2.5 is running fine, though, and you can live with it, it'd be simpler to keep it stock). In addition to whatever you need for mating it up with the transmission, you'll need a radiator with the built-in intercooler, and I'd suggest an oil-cooler too, if it doesn't have one. EGT gauge would be good to have too. If you want Safety Devices' stuff in the US, go to David at the Thatched Roof Garage for all of the goodies -L | ||
| Sean Hanagan (Seanh) Member Username: Seanh Post Number: 220 Registered: 05-2002 |
My vote is for the Sandglow! | ||
| gary pain (Gary_p) New Member Username: Gary_p Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2003 |
Bin the 2.5 non-turbo, it's very slow (most ex-military LR's have this engine). The turbo version was ok, but not as good as the TDI, if fuel cost isn't an issue go for a V8 (i would love a V8, but i live in the UK where gasoline costs £3.50 a gallon, so i have a 300 TDI) The LR in your Photograph is a basic 110. It is not the same model as the TR 110. The TR 110 is a "High-capacity pick-up", it has a larger rear tub which is separate from the rest of the vehicle. There are plenty of vehicle breakers here in the UK that sell used Hi-cap tubs, but i would imagine they are rare in the US. | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 142 Registered: 02-2003 |
interesting how the folks in the UK want the v8's and we want the diesals. | ||
| Aaron Richardet (Draaronr) Member Username: Draaronr Post Number: 69 Registered: 09-2002 |
Grass is always greener on the other side. | ||
| David Gage (Davidg) Member Username: Davidg Post Number: 139 Registered: 02-2002 |
Tomb Raider in the movie was a 110 Hi Cap with no roof. The Euro production models are 90 SW and 110 Crewcabs. Motor mounts on the 2.5 NA and the 300tdi are different. Does it come with the radiator/intercooler as well? How about the transmission as I believe they too will be different. | ||
| Billy Deakins (Discodog) Member Username: Discodog Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2003 |
Jason, is the truck in the UK or US? If in the UK, how are you getting it imported into the US and passing regulations? | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2003 |
The truck could be in Canada. I have seen sites advertising Ex-Mod 110's for sale. If you're planning on getting it into the US, well that's a whole other issue. All I can say if you want to get it in legally, better get the checkbook out. A CT truck and a TR replica Mutt would look very strange. On the one hand, the CT would have a very traditional LR look to it. SD Cage and Pro, Hella's, and Super Winch to name a few. A very conservative look especially if done in sandglow. The TR model was very uptown hollywood with lots of diamond plate, the crew cab, as much kit as possible bolted to it and the gorgeous grey paint. Also very cool. I would suggest picking one theme and sticking to it. Camel or Tomb. The frame of the Ex-MOD will accept any LR 110 body style you decide. Bolt it on and go. Probably would be easy to start in that direction than messing with fab on the current body. RDS has a 110 HiCap right now. Call George for details. The only concern I would have would be the electrical system. I know that the old Series trucks used 24 volt systems for the MOD for FFR. I do not know if this is the case with the newer ones or not. What might work in gettin getting the 110 into the states if that is your goal, is to strip it down to major components such as the rolling chasis and declare them as parts. Once here you could rebolt the new drive train into the chasis and bolt up the body of your choice and register it as a kit car. The problem in illinois is that the state will not allow title to any non epa approved engine in a kit car that is destined for daily road use. SInce the 300TDi is not EPA approved, this would be a major stumbling block. Add to the mix potential insurance issues with kit cars and the 300Tdi, and the fact that there is the possiblity of seizure and forced exportation of the truck if found out, and it's a very tricky grey area. Not worth the return in my opinion. Especially since you coul buy a salvage 110 and put a new motor in it for far less headache than the kit car route. D-90 has a link to a site with several fire loss d110s for cheap. GOod luck with the project. Sounds like a very cool endeavor. EwS | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 625 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jason, I bet this works out just as well for you as trying to buy and then hock that nasty "one of a kind" classic you've got. Les Bright knows what he's talking about and you certainly don't seem to. If I were you I'd be greatful for whatever info he's willing to give you and whatever time he's willing to waste on you rather than being a smartass. since you asked. | ||
| kevin mokracek (Kellymoe) New Member Username: Kellymoe Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2004 |
Getting Defenders into the states is not impossible. Not easy but not impossible. I have seen several already in the states that were registered as a mid 1970's truck while still in England. Dont know how they did it but the DOT pappers reflect and say 1971 Land Rover utility vehicle. When they arrive in the states they are registered as such with no problems, even in California. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 768 Registered: 09-2002 |
This thread's a year old. Somehow, I don't think Jason will be responding SC | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 626 Registered: 10-2002 |
sure sure Steve, i may be late to the party but that doesn't mean i'm not going to come in. you're still around at any rate so i'm happy to type for your benefit alone. i do think this presents a good opportunity for jason to tell us all about his defender and how great it is, as he surely has had it for quite some time now right? | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2003 |
If it's anything like the other post about the D110, I getting the popcorn started.... | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 769 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yes Jack, Jason's no doubt done several cross-country expeditions in the 110 by now, pausing only to install the XZLs his "girlfriend's uncle who knows somebody who works at Michelin" managed to hide from the MOD and ship to the US. SC | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Senior Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 297 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jason, the tomb raider 110 was a Hi capacity Pick up. The rear isn't flush down the side like on the ex MOD 110. It has a picup style rear that i like. I plan an building a replica one day.   Cheers Jack | ||
| Mike M (Rangeroverhp) Senior Member Username: Rangeroverhp Post Number: 265 Registered: 09-2003 |
"Yes Jack, Jason's no doubt done several cross-country expeditions in the 110 by now, pausing only to install the XZLs his "girlfriend's uncle who knows somebody who works at Michelin" managed to hide from the MOD and ship to the US." LOL I forgot about that. That was hilarious. | ||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) Senior Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 258 Registered: 02-2003 |
http://www.landroverclassified.com/cgi-bin/client.asp?a=Search&s=ViewDetail&VID= V43156&a=Search&s=SearchResults&MakeID=Land+Rover&ModelID=Range+Rover+County+Cla ssic+Wagon+4D&StateID=0&MinYear=1950&MaxYear=2005& There's still a chance to own that "one of a kind" Classic. Under $16K and only 136K easy miles... | ||
| Mike M (Rangeroverhp) Senior Member Username: Rangeroverhp Post Number: 266 Registered: 09-2003 |
For 15k+. I'm surprised someone hasn't snatched up that diamond yet. I've been searching for that thread about the XZLs. But I'm comming up empty. Bummer. I need a laugh. | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Senior Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 383 Registered: 05-2003 |
That was a classic , and you can now find him here:http://floridalandroverclub.com/forums/forum.aspx?ForumID=8 He is the Sec. of the Fla Land Rover Club. -JIm | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 770 Registered: 09-2002 |
I wondered where Jason has been lurking. Since he was also banished from d-90 and laughed off POR I wasn't sure what was left to violate. I couldn't find the XZL thread either - I don't think the classifieds are archived that far back. SC | ||
| Wicks (Wicks) Member Username: Wicks Post Number: 163 Registered: 03-2003 |
Steve, do you still have those spare 7.5 XZLs? ;) | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 771 Registered: 09-2002 |
maybay  SC | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 772 Registered: 09-2002 |
 SC | ||
| Wicks (Wicks) Member Username: Wicks Post Number: 165 Registered: 03-2003 |
Oh those look like figments...figments of my imagination. |
