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     Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 44 Registered: 12-2002 |
Does anybody with a 95 d-90 hardtop have that fun, annoying rattle from the rear door? The door on my truck rattles like hell but only when the spare tire is on it. Yes the spare that is currently on it is much bigger than the stock tire but it did it with the stock one too. it fully closes, nothing is wrong with the latch that i can see. It's deffinately the door rattling against the door frame but i don't know how to stop it if it's closed all the way. ANy ideas? | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 577 Registered: 02-2003 |
uh..... leave the tire off. and get an aux tire carrier. www.d-90.com has the answers to your problems. this is discussed regurly. | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) New Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2003 |
Stephan, Most likely your hinges are shot. They can barely withstand the weight of the stock tire. Leave the tire as it is in case you flat. Check the aftermarket for a new carrier and then replace the hinges. Roverunited.com has a great links section to vendors. D-90 has some as well. Check the custom mods section for the shrockworks carrier which looks realy nice. (D-90) | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 578 Registered: 02-2003 |
I doubt it could be the hinges. they seem tough enough. I think the main detriment to the SW rear doors in they are not one piece, with the wieght and bouncing around etc. they become fatigued and then it all starts. Mantec makes a tasteful tire carrier, there are a number of owners with them. | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) New Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2003 |
That response doesn't make any sense at all. Door fatigue? "they seem tough enough" Hinges were a carry over from the series trucks. They were never designed for the load they now support. I - II - IIA - III - 90 - to D-90. The work around LR came up with was the addition of the third hinge in the middle to compensate for the larger tires during this evolution. "I think the main detriment to the SW rear doors in they are not one piece, with the wieght and bouncing around etc. they become fatigued" SW doors are one peice. ST doors are not. Fatigued: The weakening or failure of a material, such as metal or wood, resulting from prolonged stress. The load of the door is carried by the hinges. So how does the door itself become fatigued? The only stress point on the door itself would be the spare. This shouldn't fatigue the door itself, because of the design of the carrier. Unless of course you remove the spare constantly and with utter disregard for the carrier. That would fatigue a SW door and carrier. The only way a door would bounce around would be from play in the hinges or latching components. Since these are the only load carrying components of the door, besides the carrier, it is probable that play in hinges or latching components are the culprit. The problem, as described above, came as a result of additional load. If the door was indeed fatigued, if would most likely be at or near the carrier due to the increased load of the larger tire. I doubt this action would cause any audible noise as there are no moving parts. Visible stress cracks starting from the attachment points and visible deformation of the door would most likely be the end result. Finally, if you look at all the after market carriers, they transfer the load from the door/hinges to the frame. So if the hidges were actually tough enough, why redirect the load? But that wouldn't resolve the rattling because your door hinges/latching mechanisms would still have play from the larger load they had previously carried. | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 581 Registered: 02-2003 |
dude. The tire is heavy. A 45 or so pound of tire cant be good for the rear door of the SW. The hinges are perfect for supporting the rear door. I bet if he takes the tire off it wont make anymore noises. Why redirect the load of a spare tire, that shouldnt have to be explained? I am just about 90% sure the SW rear doors are not one piece | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) New Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 36 Registered: 12-2003 |
Phillip, You need to re-read the orginal post! The door doesn't make any noise with the tire off. See above. The hinges support the door just fine. That's not the problem. The problem is the additional weight of a larger tire. I'll clarify: the door as a whole unit is one peice. Fully assembled. Does not split of diconnect. I didn't address its construction, or the parts that comprise the whole. Unloaded, like you said, the hinges support the door without noise. Add weight and what happens, they rattle because the additional load has caused play in them. Take the load off, the hinges become quiet. Why? because they can support the door. If the door was at fault, then the noise would continue without the tire due to the failure of the door itself. Since this isn't happening, I think it is fairly safe to say that the door is sound, but the hinges are not. "Why redirect the load of a spare tire, that shouldnt have to be explained?" What point are you trying to make or what question are you asking? | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 583 Registered: 02-2003 |
adjust the door striker for a tighter close. thats my point that the rear door is a shitty place for the spare. I think a tire carrier would make more since int he long run. sorry for the misunderstanding.... | ||
| Pugsly (Pugsly) Member Username: Pugsly Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2002 |
LR strengthens the rear door when they mount a spare on them. I found that one of the welds had cracked. Re-welded and added a bit more steel stock to further strengthen. If you have the same problem as I do it isn't the striker or the hinges (though tightening them may stop the noise since they are taking some of the load off the internal bracing). | ||
| chris cox (Roverpartsnc) New Member Username: Roverpartsnc Post Number: 12 Registered: 09-2003 |
Dude, just to let you know, SW rear doors were made of several pieces, and can break apart from the heavy weight of the spare. Phillip is correct. I have had the same problem as Steven, and had to adjust the striker, because the door had actually been bent by the spare, and was not resting against the gasket. New rear SW doors are now 1 piece, which is a much stronger design. The reason I know this is because LR just gave me some new doors. Just my $.02 worth. Chris | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) New Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2003 |
Chris, I have a one peice door. If you read my second post, I simply pointed out that SW door as a whole is one peice. I never adressed the specific parts which comprise the whole, nor how the door was constructed. The door itself isn't the issue. LR doors with the spare tire carrier, regardless of design - one or two peice, are structurely sound with a stock spare. It is the spare tire carrier assembly within the door which is the cause of the problem. The deformation/misalignment of the door is a result of the stock carrier's inability to carry the additional load, which is transferred to the door. Cause and effect. So no, technically the door itself isn't the problem. It is the carrier. The one peice door eliminates the older design flaw by eliminating the weak link -the connection between the door sub-assemblies and their relation to the carrier. Had the larger tire not been mounted, the door wouldn't have deformed nor would it rattle. My final $.02 EwS | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thanks for all the imput. Further examination has revealed something to me. It seems the door is bowing in some way. When i slam the door closed it is perfectly sealed around the latching mechanism but at the bottom of the door it's barely even touching the rubber seal. If you were to just look at the bottom of the door it would look like it wasn't closed. ALso, something i forgot to mention originally, when opening the door it gets stuck. I pull the handle and it opens about 3/4 of an inch and then gets stuck, only with a hard yank will it continue to open. DOes that mean it's the striker? | ||
| Stephan Laputka (Sflash868) Member Username: Sflash868 Post Number: 48 Registered: 12-2002 |
Also, i think the weight of my 35 inch tires on steel rims is lighter than the stock tires on alloy rims. Not that this matters or anything, i was just making note of it. | ||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 219 Registered: 02-2003 |
Uh, no. No way is a steel rim with a 35" tire lighter than the alloy with the 32" tire. Your door is already damaged and you will continue to destroy it if you don't get that tire off soon. Eric, same thing will happen to your door eventually if you use the vehicle off road or in any other situation where vibration is transferred to the spare - even with the stock tire & rim, It's just a matter of time... Good luck, Art Vigil  Denver, CO '97 D90SW #2426 | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 227 Registered: 09-2002 |
Stephan, you need to pull the inside panel off your door and examine the welds and joints of the SW door. The tire is definitely doing damage, or has already done damage to the door. Taking the tire off will only stop further damage. Additionally, the pivot at the bottom/inside of your door, sounds like it needs some adjustment and grease, if the door is getting hung up, this is the likely cause. This is common for high mile or offroad D90's, that haven't yet had a specific tire carrier placed on the SW door. My door was in rough shape just with the stock tires on it, when I bought it at 90K. We added braces on the interiro of the door, re-welded and repainted. Then added a mantec tire carrier, that pivots with the door, but puts the weight elsewhere. It also looks almost "stock". Eric, I'm not sure how you have a one piece door, unless it's a newer spec 90 door. The SW's brought to the states have visible seams on the outside of the door, at the bottom of the window. You have to remember that the door may look like one piece, but in fact, it's a steel frame with aluminum skin wrapped around it. | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) New Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 38 Registered: 12-2003 |
It's a new door from LR. Trail damage on the last one. I replaced it last year. Allright, Already! Symantics! Phillip therefore in technical terms was correct, in regards to the construction and the effect (but not the cause) of the problem. The door is made up of 2 assemblies, and several parts for that matter. I'll clarify one more time. I was referring to the door as a whole. The sum of it's parts if you will. See my previous post. So, in tune with the holiday spirit, Phillip, Pugsly, Stephan, Chris, and David, I sincerely wish you a wonderful holiday season and hope that the new year treats all of you well. Happy Holidays! Now it is off to O'Hare to catch a flight to Colorado. Vail and snow bound. EwS | ||
| Pugsly (Pugsly) Member Username: Pugsly Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thanks Eric same to you, we're off to the snow as well, have a great Christmas / New Years (or whatever holiday you choose to celebrate)! | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 591 Registered: 02-2003 |
cool. glad this got figured out. I am off to the warmer than usual night to go bog some mud. |
