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     frank berry (Sharknet) New Member Username: Sharknet Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hey guys i know this is the disco board (i have a 97) but i wanted to know what you thought of my 110 - i purchased it last yr in august -drove it for a couple wks and then turned it over to sean and sid at blue ridge rover works here in asheville nc- we have all been working on it since and they have put in a lot of fabricated extras (i'll have a website for it in a couple wks if you want to see all of the details) anyhow this gives you a general idea -let me know what you think good and bad -thanks fb pics http://defender110.4t.com/photo.html | ||
| frank berry (Sharknet) New Member Username: Sharknet Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2004 |
It's not quite finished - goes back monday for decals, interior console, stereo, a lot of fabricated trim work, etc | ||
| Tony Zuniga (Tony23007) Senior Member Username: Tony23007 Post Number: 319 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hey Frank, let me be the first to say that is one bad a** mother!!! I love the red frames on the driving lights. Take some pics when you take out off road and post back | ||
| Keith McFatridge (Mcfatty) New Member Username: Mcfatty Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2003 |
Looks great, although I would ditch the side steps. Are the seat covers OEM, or aftermarket? | ||
| frank berry (Sharknet) New Member Username: Sharknet Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2004 |
Thanks Tony -There are a ton of custom fabrications that sid and sean have done that i will detail in the final photos - there is a ton of things you can't see yet but in a couple wks i'll have a detailed site. They have really done a good job | ||
| frank berry (Sharknet) New Member Username: Sharknet Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2004 |
side steps are easily taken off for off roading - i will be using it for a lot of diff things so i decided to have them on seat covers are the navy blue HD or heavy duty i like them better than the oem which i have on my 90 | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 182 Registered: 12-2003 |
o how i long for a defender... that's an awesome looking rig frank, congratulations. Cheers Jack | ||
| Kenny Bissett (Jetson) Member Username: Jetson Post Number: 152 Registered: 07-2003 |
I'm so jealous - what a beautiful truck! Kenny | ||
| Chuck Stroud (Str0ud) New Member Username: Str0ud Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2004 |
Frank, it looks proper! I'll bet you can't wait to get it dirty. -Str0ud | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) On Probation Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 966 Registered: 02-2002 |
Droooool | ||
| Nick Bowerman (Nickb857) New Member Username: Nickb857 Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2003 |
Frank, Unfortunatly the only picture that loaded was of the Colorado State flower, but from what everyone else said it sounds awsome. Congradulations! Nick | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 943 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well, Frank, since you asked for opinions, good or bad, I'll let you know. I took a look at your truck and I must that I believe it is hideously ugly. It's the very definition of a poseurmobile, and it's one of the ugliest 110's I've ever seen. That black diamondplate on the hood and wingtops and on the sides looks absurd. What were you thinking? Even white diamondplate or aluminum diamondplate would have looked hideous. But black? I think it's time to go back to the drawing board for this one. And's with the black fetish? The black roll cage is a mystery. What were you thinking? The NAS 110 comes with a beautiful Alpine White roll cage. And you painted yours black just because you wanted to be "different"? Were you trying to make your 110 into a NAS D90? Check out your wheels, for example. Freestyle alloy wheels? On a 110? The NAS 110's came standard with the ANR1534 "130" wheels. These wheels are bad ass. And you ditch those wheels and you put on alloys? I know you've never been offroad but at least keep the proper look. And the NAS D90 theme continues with the tires. Are those All-Terrains? The NAS 110's came standard with Michelin X 4x4 tires. These are very very nice tires. And you take those off and put on some All-Terrains? I must say this was yet another mistake. My recommendation for your wheels would have been to keep the 130 wheels and go with something like a Michelin XPS traction for a readily available tire or an X or XCL or XZL or XS if you wanted something exotic. Mimicking a D90 was a mistake though. The chicken wire covering the headlights is another mistake. I hate to break it to you, but chicken wire is never a good thing. You were probably going for the Daktari look, but it didn't quite turn out right. What kind of roof lights are those? Instead of blowing $1200 on Rallye 4000 HID's and getting cheapo roof lights, you might have got the halogen 4000's for the bumper and then some real lights for the roll cage instead of those shrunken looking things that are there now. And that Hella Matador Worklamp on the back is all wrong. A 110 needs and deserves a RTC8921AA worklamp. All proper LRSV trucks (and the NAS 110 is indeed a genuine LRSV truck and not some piece of shit rusty Disco with a wannabe LRSV sticker or badge on it that the wannabe wanker owner bought off ebay or something) have the RTC8921AA and not a Matador: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/trd/7.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/sema2002/DSC01974.jpg Those nylon seat covers are mystery. Are those size XXXXXXXXXL or something? They don't fit your seats at all. They're more wrinkled than a sharpei. I recommend burning those and fitting the light gray colored Land Rover Genuine seat covers. And what's with the running boards below your rock sliders. Do you also wear suspenders with your belted trousers? If you're going for the Lion Country Safari MAR Assault Vehicle look with the chicken wire covering the headlamps and the diamonplate everywhere and the Land Rover spare wheel cover, running boards are not a good thing. Well, at least you didn't put zebra stripes all over it. | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 782 Registered: 04-2001 |
While the overall effect is not stunning I dig the galvanized cappings and black cage. Whether or not it is the same truck ECR did one like that and I thought it was nice. The white cages look like crap when they start to rust (as they all do around here). I am not a fan of the tornados (at least go to the Suffix A cvs in front and disc salisbury in back so they don't have that ghetto hole in the middle showing), but if it is a street rig 265s handle much better than 7.50s so I see it on that front. Of course we all know the 110 ECR did for Paul Sipe is the best NAS 110 ever X FAR, and all and all I have seen a lot uglier NAS 110s. Ron PS trade the seat covers in for some badger ones, the stock ones suck too. | ||
| Kenny Bissett (Jetson) Member Username: Jetson Post Number: 153 Registered: 07-2003 |
To each his own! If your goal was to make your 110 look like a factory 110, then I guess you missed. But I'm assuming that was not even close to your intention. I think it looks fantastic, and I don't know a thing about the factory specs. Enjoy it, you're one of the lucky few who happens to own one! | ||
| frank berry (Sharknet) New Member Username: Sharknet Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2004 |
Well I guess I should take the time to address the comments by John Lee. First, let me say thanks for taking the time to respond and I did say and mean "good and bad". Although yours seems to border on personal attack lol. Well, Frank, since you asked for opinions, good or bad, I'll let you know. I took a look at your truck and I must that I believe it is hideously ugly. It's the very definition of a poseurmobile, and it's one of the ugliest 110's I've ever seen. That black diamondplate on the hood and wingtops and on the sides looks absurd. What were you thinking? Even white diamondplate or aluminum diamondplate would have looked hideous. But black? I think it's time to go back to the drawing board for this one. A: I happen to like the black/white look it downsizes the 110 some which is something i wanted to do. The chequer plating on the topside is functional for me- I'm all over that truck and love the fact that i can walk across it. I just like the plating on the side -i agree it doesn't have a lot of use. And's with the black fetish? The black roll cage is a mystery. What were you thinking? The NAS 110 comes with a beautiful Alpine White roll cage. And you painted yours black just because you wanted to be "different"? Were you trying to make your 110 into a NAS D90? A:I like the powder coated (not painted blk) roll cage myself. It seems to get lost in the truck when painted white but black --it stands out - and since it is an incredible cage in my opinion -it should stand out. There is no "black fetish" either - I designed this last summer before the ckd advertisement came out. As far as making the 110 a 90 -I wasn't -but isn't the 90 directly related to the 110?? Check out your wheels, for example. Freestyle alloy wheels? On a 110? The NAS 110's came standard with the ANR1534 "130" wheels. These wheels are bad ass. And you ditch those wheels and you put on alloys? I know you've never been offroad but at least keep the proper look. A: I did not "ditch" the stock steel wheels. There are in my warehouse with mounted bfg mud terrains. You are correct that I seldom go true hard core off-roading. I have a good friend stationed at Fort Bragg that I go with whenever i get the chance. He drives defenders and h1's all over the world -knows a ton about it and i have a blast when we take my 90 or 110 there at their testing area on Ft Bragg. I designed this 110 for my needs. I am an avid adventure racer and train daily in the following sports: white water kayaking, mt biking, road biking, trail running/trekking, swimming, climbing, etc. I have set up my 90 and 110 for these purposes - strapping kayaks on the top, pulling mt bikes from the rack, etc. The areas i go are sometimes remote but never req rock crawling etc to get there. The defenders are not just for extreme off-roading. If i have a race in AR or TX i just throw my bike, paddle, etc in my 90 and take off- rides on the highway like shit -it's loud - and i love it! And the NAS D90 theme continues with the tires. Are those All-Terrains? The NAS 110's came standard with Michelin X 4x4 tires. These are very very nice tires. And you take those off and put on some All-Terrains? I must say this was yet another mistake. A: Again i take these across the country to get to an adventure or race and i can't take all back roads! So the all terrain is the best choice for this vehicle in my opinion. My recommendation for your wheels would have been to keep the 130 wheels and go with something like a Michelin XPS traction for a readily available tire or an X or XCL or XZL or XS if you wanted something exotic. Mimicking a D90 was a mistake though. A: Again I have a d-90 (1994 blk softop) and mimicking it was not the idea-previous paragraph explains it. The chicken wire covering the headlights is another mistake. I hate to break it to you, but chicken wire is never a good thing. You were probably going for the Daktari look, but it didn't quite turn out right. A: I have no idea what Daktari is but i'm sure it's nice or whatever. Anyhow i like the galv. ones on the old series trucks but didn't want galv on the 110 and opted for the blk. The arb has to be out further on the 110 so there is a lot of space there-this helps fill it in and i like it. What kind of roof lights are those? Instead of blowing $1200 on Rallye 4000 HID's and getting cheapo roof lights, you might have got the halogen 4000's for the bumper and then some real lights for the roll cage instead of those shrunken looking things that are there now. A: On the top i have hella 1000 blk magics - i like the looks of them - not so loud and large. The HID's are the best in my opinion for driving lights and they were $500 each shipped. I don't need 3000 or 4000 on the top so the blk magics are fine for me. The size issue seems to be your own. And that Hella Matador Worklamp on the back is all wrong. A 110 needs and deserves a RTC8921AA worklamp. All proper LRSV trucks (and the NAS 110 is indeed a genuine LRSV truck and not some piece of shit rusty Disco with a wannabe LRSV sticker or badge on it that the wannabe wanker owner bought off ebay or something) have the RTC8921AA and not a Matador: A: I do a lot of nightime mt biking and i wanted a good well lit area and I think hella knows how to make a light and this one fits my needs perfectly. Since when is genuine LR the best? Those nylon seat covers are mystery. Are those size XXXXXXXXXL or something? They don't fit your seats at all. They're more wrinkled than a sharpei. I recommend burning those and fitting the light gray colored Land Rover Genuine seat covers. A: Your cracking me up with this one. They are the HD or heavy duty made in the uk. They arent' too big but fairly thick in comparison to the oem grey -which i have 2 pr of and don't really like. It does give the effect that they are too big in the pic and don't fit snug but big deal- all i care about is when i finished training i get into my vehicle completely wet and/or muddy - i don't want to worry about cleaning the seat later and these are better for this than the oem crap. Waterproof seatcovers are all synthetic oem or not and cannot burn but simply melt. And what's with the running boards below your rock sliders. Do you also wear suspenders with your belted trousers? If you're going for the Lion Country Safari MAR Assault Vehicle look with the chicken wire covering the headlamps and the diamonplate everywhere and the Land Rover spare wheel cover, running boards are not a good thing. A: I have no idea what the lion country Safari MAR Assault Vehicle is -so sorry. The running boards are there because at times there are several of us and not everyone subscribes to high step of a rock slider. It's just a consideration thing i guess -anyhow sean and sid fitted them so they can be quickly removed for off-road use which i'm anxious to do- when it's completed. Your killing me- I think i ran into the "Martha Stewart" of LR! lol Well, at least you didn't put zebra stripes all over it. A: no response needed. This truck is the perfect support vehicle for and adventure race as well - which was one of my main design challenges. Please don't come up with some crack about the G4- I have been adv racing for 6 yrs and i speak for all of us when i say we would give anything in the middle of multiday race to get into a vehicle and have a driving section. I currently own 4 landrovers (97 disco, 01 RRover, 93 110, and 94 D-90). I absolutely love them- everything about them- oil leaks and all- but i don't agree with everything that comes out of the factory and reserve the right to change them to suit my needs. I don't think that the LR spirit is just about extreme off roading and the capability there of- I think it is about absolute adventure whether i go to moab for mtbiking and climbing and you go for lions back, etc. My LR is designed to fit my needs and yours to fit your own. I appreciate your comments and as far as oem status you are correct but this was never meant to be a restored to factory status vehicle. My problem with your comments is that they seem to be a personal attack -your way or no way- sort of thing - but that is a whole other issue. BTW: I took a look at your defender and i like it - an incredible off road machine- and very stock which looks clean-hope you enjoy it. Thanks fb | ||
| frank berry (Sharknet) New Member Username: Sharknet Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2004 |
I have no idea who Paul Sipes is but i'm familiar with ECR and like their work very much. | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 329 Registered: 02-2002 |
"Waterproof seatcovers are all synthetic oem or not and cannot burn but simply melt." Wanna bet? | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 488 Registered: 07-2002 |
You asked for opinions, so if you can't take the heat as they say "get out of the kitchen". | ||
| Todd Nash (Nash) New Member Username: Nash Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2003 |
Holy Heck, After reading John Lee's description of your truck I thought it would be a huge POS poseur-mobile. (Like that one guy's H2 with the traffic lights on the top and magnetic rubber protector plates all-around. Then I looked at your pictures and was pleasantly suprised. Maybe not the look I would go for, but definitely sweet and no eyesore. To each his own, I guess. Congratulations. Let us know when you're ready to sell your D-90. Nash | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2003 |
Frank, My two cents. One - it's your truck & your money. So why should you care what other people think? Fuck them, they don't own it, maintain it, or drive it. It sounds as though you're very happy with the results which is all that matters. Two - the post itself is pretentious. You've got a 110. Thats great. It seems as though you're either insecure about your truck or want to gloat about it on a board dedicated to disco's. Try the same post on Pirate 4x4. EwS | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1692 Registered: 02-2003 |
Like John Lee i'm not sure what all the hubbub dick sucking is about. As far as I can see here we have a NAS 110 with some paint, lights, bumper,winch, rims and tires. If this were a Disco with these mods would it really warrant a "how do you like my truck" thread? RD | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 946 Registered: 03-2003 |
Frank, Just as Alan said, you went fishing for opinions, good or bad, about your 110. You were basically showing off your 110. If you can't take it that your 110 is not worthy of showing off, and is even something to be embarrassed about, then don't show off your 110. If you can't accept negative opinions about your 110, then don't ask for opinions, good or bad. You say that I have a little dick, but that's hilarious coming from someone who goes around posting pics of his 110 and claism to ask for opinions, good or bad, but who really is looking for oohs and aaahs about how great his poseurmobile looks and who gets upset when the praise isn't forthcoming. And I definitely think you have a black fetish. Whether it's the black roll cage or the black diamondplate or the Black Magics, there's a lot of black going on here. Just fit two Black Panther Batteries and the black theme will be complete. I never said every modified Land Rover has to be a an extreme rockcrawling rig. Not only do I not believe that, I think it's silly to try to build a rockcrawler out of a Land Rover. When I see a stock Land Rover on the road, I don't think anything about it, good or bad. There is no rule that every Land Rover has to go offroad or has to be modified for offroad use. However, that is not to say that there are no such things as silly mods to a vehicle. Take your chicken wire covering your headlights. These are ridiculous. You already have the ARB's brushguard there, so why the chicken wire? The chicken wire is about as useless as the rear lamp guards you have on your truck. For both of these mods, I think leaving them off and leaving the truck in its factory condition would have been the preferable choice. I think putting both of these items on showed poor judgment and bad taste. Again, you asked. And you claim that the ARB protrudes more on the 110 so you put the chicken wire to take up the space. Again, I think this was the wrong thing to do. I have seen a few 110's with the flush front grill that is on the D90's. The owners took the time to modify their trucks in a THOUGHTFUL manner so that they could use a D90 bumper/winch combination that doesn't protrude the way the 110 front bumpers must to clear the front grill. I stand by my comments on the alloy wheels. If you can't even mount the alloys without having to remove the center caps to clear the drive flanges, that's Nature's way of telling you those wheels don't belong on your vehicle. Since this vehicle is used only on the road (and there's nothing wrong with that), here are some things I would do to make this vehicle more useful and better looking as well: (1) Ditch your factory sealed beams and fit Hella H4 replacements. You will be able to see much better on the road. (3) Ditch the factory wiper blades and fit SilBlade wipers in their place. (4) Ditch the factory mirrors and fit the Convex Mirrors in their place. You will be able to see much better while driving on the highway. (5) Ditch the factory front brakes when they wear out and replace them with DBA Longlife Golds. Your braking will be better. If you can finance it, get disc brakes for the rear. (6) Ditch the Freestyle alloys and put the 130 wheels back on. Then get something like a 235/85 Michelin XPS Traction. This tire performs way better than an All-Terrain on the road as well as off. The XPS Traction also has multiple steel belts on the tread and steel-belted sidewalls, so it's a safer tire for your Xtream road trips. The XPS Tractions are also rounder and balancer more easily than the All-Terrains, so your ride will be much smoother. (7) Ditch the factory gas cap and fit a tethered gas cap from a Disco. You will never lose your gas cap again. (8) Soundproof the interior of your truck. This is much preferable to putting in a Bling stereo system into your 110, which NEVER looks right. (9) Fit some Bilstein shocks to your truck. All of these mods are everyday/road oriented and cost but a small fraction of the showy mods you have on your truck. These mods will make your vehicle much nicer to use. I know you will never do these mods because they are not showy mods and the morons you're trying to impress won't even notice them. However, I would consider these mods to be much more real deal than the mods that are currently on your Lion Country Safarimobile. | ||
| Billy Deakins (Discodog) New Member Username: Discodog Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2003 |
Frank, the 110 looks great. I personally like the black on it. It breaks up all the white nicely. It's your truck, do what you want. I guess you won't be ordering much from EE anytime soon??? | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 603 Registered: 10-2002 |
Is it just me or is there no line coming out of the hawse? | ||
| Andy Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 606 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL I don't see it either. | ||
| Adam Ross (Discodriveradam) Member Username: Discodriveradam Post Number: 217 Registered: 01-2003 |
I noticed that too Jack. Not sure about that. If you want my opinion, I would say lose the damn chequer plate, the Black Magics, and the black cage. It all looks so much better when it's white. And I can't explain how wrong the alloys look on there. That's the ultimate atrocity. That wheel/tire combo looks cheap and ungainly. Another thought: I've always felt that Jeeps were pretty capable rigs. But they are so easily available in the States that they have been CB'ed and hacked to the point where the brand is easily associated with terms such as "redneck" and "hick". And for Defenders, it's like that in England; people are willing to take something that we adore and opine for and turn it into a rolling hunk of shit just because it doesn't matter. They're a dime a dozen. Every time I look at LRM or an equivalent, it is loaded with World Market Defenders that are as ugly as an H2 (and that says a lot). And this is what you have done: you have taken one of our precious few NAS 110's and bastardized it, plain and simple. It has gone from being a rare beauty for the States to being a not-so-rare eyesore for the States. If you were trying to make it different, then you definitely succeeded, but not in a good way. I say sell it to someone who is a real enthusiast and cares before you murder that truck. Oh, and where are the forklift pics?  | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 947 Registered: 03-2003 |
Maybe the winch line is out of the truck because Frank is going to use it to make some limb risers? That would be the crowning touch on this truck. | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 489 Registered: 07-2002 |
Here's a non-poseur 110:   | ||
| Musky Rover (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1227 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dude, come on "cell phone trader"?! what kind of job is that? Why is it I am reminded of the movie "I got da hookup"???? | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1216 Registered: 05-2002 |
"...you have taken one of our precious few NAS 110's and bastardized it, plain and simple." I almost hit the floor laughing when I read this. Granted, my eyes are not pleased looking at that rig for various reasons, but it is HIS rig. To say he has taken one of "our" rigs and bastardized it is laughable. His money bought it and his money can paint purple cow shit on it for all I care. BTW - did I miss it or did someone already point out that the spare does not seem to match the dimension of the rest of the tires? Hard to tell since it is under a cover...which is another thing altogether | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1344 Registered: 04-2003 |
I dig the all-white roll cage/rack look on the Defender 110s. That is unique. Your black powdercoat looks like it was nicely done, and it does look alright up there, but it just isn't that one-of-a-kind white-on-white 110 look. Original steel wheels would definitely look better. Freestyle alloys on a 110 are like chrome 22's on a Disco. It just ain't right. I don't think the black on the hood & fenders "looks" bad - I actually like the look of the color combination. I know it's not standard on a 110, but who am I to comment?....I don't even have a Defender. Oh, the black stuff on the sides aft of rear doors has to go. It make the rear door look all wrong. You didn't drill into that beautiful body for that, did you? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1345 Registered: 04-2003 |
yeah, now look at that white cage & those white steel wheels. NICE! | ||
| Doug Walker (Dougw) Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 45 Registered: 08-2003 |
Frank, I guess you've found out that no one holds a punch here on the dweb, especially Dr. Lee. Customizing a truck is a great hobby, but in the end the only person you really need to please is yourself. But that's easier said than done, since human vanity is a lust that is hard to kill. (Did I just say that?) Anyway, my 110 is a salvage title so I feel a certain freedom to experiment. In a few years I will do a full repaint. Let me toss this out for suggestions (and please don't tell me to restore her to a model of NAS perfection): I definitely want to make a change. Ralph Lauren took his 110 down a notch with a nice beige paint job -- body and cage. It's subtle, matches his Hamptons lifestyle and certainly fits the crowd there. But my truck frequents the Sunset Strip which is a far cry from the Hamptons. Seems that Ferrari Red with maybe an Alpine white roll cage would be better suited. (Oh and before you fo off on me, remember this rig is the current holder of the Nevada Trophy, so she does get muddy now and then.) BTW, there is no roof rack, and she'll probably stay that way. (Oh, and of course I'll rip off all my non-complying accessories off and replace with EE inventory). ;) Like to hear some ideas about paint schemes, just for fun even though we are a few years away.... DougW. | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 78 Registered: 12-2003 |
Doug, I think you just opened another can of worms. Check out East Coast Rover - I think they are working on a red or burgandy station wagon at the moment. You could see how it might turn out. Whatever color you choose, just do it right. Make sure you hit the interior and exterior - go for a full factory look. Nothing looks more heinous than a truck with an exterior that doesn't match the interior. Keep to the modern LR color pallete. Defenders look odd painted with non LR color schemes. I would encourage you to keep it white though. Not that many 110's around and it looks like fewer and fewer of them are going to be anywhere near stock in a few years. Keep the heritage alive and well! EwS | ||
| Nick Bowerman (Nickb857) New Member Username: Nickb857 Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2003 |
Frank I got the pictures and i think it looks good. Thanks for sending them, Nick | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 788 Registered: 04-2001 |
John Lee that list of yours is quite funny. (1) Ditch your factory sealed beams and fit Hella H4 replacements. You will be able to see much better on the road. ok, better hope it does not get wet though. I have seen two sets explode and several others that look like fish bowls. Sealed Xtravisions all the way. (3) Ditch the factory wiper blades and fit SilBlade wipers in their place. No experience. (4) Ditch the factory mirrors and fit the Convex Mirrors in their place. You will be able to see much better while driving on the highway. Ditto. I just stick my head out the window for lane changes. (5) Ditch the factory front brakes when they wear out and replace them with DBA Longlife Golds. Your braking will be better. If you can finance it, get disc brakes for the rear. DBA bling bling golds. Personally I would do the disc conversion on the back and be happy with that, but only for ease of servicing. If you must upgrade to 90 style front rotors, but not a big deal. (6) Ditch the Freestyle alloys and put the 130 wheels back on. Then get something like a 235/85 Michelin XPS Traction. This tire performs way better than an All-Terrain on the road as well as off. The XPS Traction also has multiple steel belts on the tread and steel-belted sidewalls, so it's a safer tire for your Xtream road trips. The XPS Tractions are also rounder and balancer more easily than the All-Terrains, so your ride will be much smoother. Have you used XPS tractions? I mean they have a place but they are very stiff and the compound is very hard so the grip sucks on road. (7) Ditch the factory gas cap and fit a tethered gas cap from a Disco. You will never lose your gas cap again. LOL. Ah, like this is a common issue? Don't be an idiot and leave it behind. (8) Soundproof the interior of your truck. This is much preferable to putting in a Bling stereo system into your 110, which NEVER looks right. Have you seen a decent stereo install? It can look stock but sound good. Sound "proof" a defender. LOL. Maybe a little quieter but . . . proof. hehehe (9) Fit some Bilstein shocks to your truck. Do you even have these on your truck? I thought you had LTRs? They are on our LWB and the ride sucks on road. Way too firm. John Lee, I can't tell if you are jesting or not with some of these. Ron | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 948 Registered: 03-2003 |
LOL. So the Arbiter of Shit/Broken Vehicles speaks out on what makes a truck "nice". "ok, better hope it does not get wet though. I have seen two sets explode and several others that look like fish bowls. Sealed Xtravisions all the way." The sealed beams are junk. The light they emit is very weak and yellow and the DOT pattern is very poor. I much prefer the H4 replacements with the e-code pattern. This has a very sharp cut-off so as not to blind oncoming traffic and the pattern angles upward on the right to illuminate road signs, pedestrians, things on the side of the road, etc. The H4 units also give the user the option of upgrading to a high-wattage bulb like a 80/100w or 90/145w if he wishes. In contrast, the sealed beams project a poorly focused beam with lots of ambient light on the periphery. This is bad for two reasons. First, the peripheral light causes a lot of glare to oncoming traffic. Second, the beam's power is lost in the periphery and this effectively weakens the beam and the resulting view of the road ahead. One is also stuck with the 55w bulb and its 55w power level. Also, if when you smoke a bulb, you have to toss the entire sealed beam. With an H4 unit, all you toss is the bulb. Not only is it cheaper to toss only the bulb, but you can carry spare bulbs with you on trips in case your headlight smokes. Carrying a bulb is not a big deal, but carrying an entire sealed beam becomes a hassle. Even if you don't carry a bulb, what Pep Boys or Autozone or whatever doesn't have an H4 on the shelf? Anyone who has actually used the H4 of headlights knows that they are superior to the sealed beams. "I saw some explode once" is meaningless. Was this one of your wiring installs? And water? If you're that worried about water, just drill a small weep hole at the bottom of the lens/reflector assembly. I do this on all of my lights. If done correctly, one cannot even tell the hole is there. Or seal the area surrounding the H4 bulb's mounting plate with silicone. What's the big deal? "Sealed Xtravisions all the way." Yeah, whatever, Ron. For the SilBlades, just try a set and then get back to us. Same goes for the Convex Mirrors. Both make a huge difference in everyday driving. If you're too niggardly to buy some for your Defender, ask around and get the opinions who actually have them. Try CvonC's D-90 Source site. Again, ask around to people who have them. "DBA bling bling golds. Personally I would do the disc conversion on the back and be happy with that, but only for ease of servicing. If you must upgrade to 90 style front rotors, but not a big deal." Yes, the DBA's are yellow CAD plated for corrosion resistance. The gold is scraped off the braking surfaces with use, leaving the gold only on the perimeter of the rotor and on the hub portion. These parts don't even show and they're covered with brake dust anyway. If you had a set of the DBA's (you don't), you would know that the gold doesn't even show. If you want to get anal about it (and you are far from anal), do what I did for my rotors and use silver exhaust manifold paint to cover the gold CAD. "Have you used XPS tractions? I mean they have a place but they are very stiff and the compound is very hard so the grip sucks on road." Yes, I have tried XPS tractions. You make it sound as if these tires are as rare as rhinoceros horn or tiger penis or something. These tires are widely available. Any Michelin dealer can get them for you. Ho's brother has them on his Rangie and several of our customers have them on their vehicles. If there is a hardness difference in the compound between these and All-Terrains, I cannot discern any difference. Remember that an All-Terrain typically lasts 50k miles or more. You're saying the All-Terrains are softer than the XPS Tractions? Get real. If anyone needs to try the XPS Tractions before forming an opinion on them, it's you. "LOL. Ah, like this is a common issue? Don't be an idiot and leave it behind." This is also funny. One of the most common threads on the D90 List back when it was actually a fun list was losing the gas cap. Yes, it happens. Yes, I've lost a gas cap as well. I can see your head swelling right now because you have not lost your gas cap yet. Oh, what an accomplishment! You are so superior. What a joke. You sound like those people who proudly proclaim, "You lost your keys? What a stupid fuck. I have NEVER lost my keys." Again, what an accomplishment. "Have you seen a decent stereo install? It can look stock but sound good. Sound "proof" a defender. LOL. Maybe a little quieter but . . . proof. hehehe" Oh God, what a cheesedick you are. So "soundproofing" now means the elimination of any and all audible noise? What a dick. You go on this because you have nothing else to go on. Why don't do you form a class action after you're admitted to the Bar, with the plaintiffs being all of the people who have bought soundproofing material yet are still able to hear noise coming through the soundproofing material? And, yes, I've seen good stereo installs. I suspect I've seen way more good installs than you have too. Unlike you, I'm actually into nice installs. Whenever I see customers' trucks, I check out the installs to see how good or bad they are. However, I still submit that I have NEVER seen a good-looking aftermarket stereo install in a Defender. Even if the CD unit is hidden away and the speakers are covered by the Defender's plastic factory grills, the head unit still looks like ass. It doesn't match the Defender's interior styling at all and it looks out of place. "Do you even have these on your truck? I thought you had LTRs? They are on our LWB and the ride sucks on road. Way too firm." No, I don't have Bilstein's on my truck. Yes, I have the LTR's on my truck. "Way too firm" for you is a qualitative statement. What is too firm for one is just right for another. Personally, I prefer the firmer ride. That is why we sell Emu N115 front shocks instead of the N45F. The same for the Emu N44 rear shock rather than the N27 or N46. We don't even stock the N45F, N46, or N27 Emu shocks because we think they are too mushy. The same goes for my LTR's. If my memory serves, I think Emu's recommended gas pressure for the LTR's is 20-80 PSI. I have my LTR's set at 120 PSI because I like the firmer rider the high pressure gives. So Bilstein sucks? This is funny. The highest-quality, winniest shock in worldwide competition, is a POS. Nice to know. | ||
| kevin mokracek (Kellymoe) New Member Username: Kellymoe Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2004 |
Frank, You have a very nice and capable rig. It will fit your needs perfectly. Where do you kayak? | ||
| kevin mokracek (Kellymoe) New Member Username: Kellymoe Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2004 |
Frank, When I first saw this post I was going to say "decals do not count as mods" but after reading John Lee's posts I dont want to be grouped with someone as acidic as that. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 922 Registered: 02-2002 |
to answer one question regarding Dr. Paul Sipe, like Ron mentioned, he had ECR build one very cool "expedition" ready 110 which is nicknamed the "Taj Pahl" if I got it right. its outlined on ECR's site and highlights the work the shop can accomplish. a very intense vehicle. its interesting seeing the various comments on this 110. having visited the LR dealers in Sao Paulo last month and today in Buenos Aires, 110s in raw basic form look and perform really well. as John mentioned, one can upgrade some of the stuff (and SilBlades work and last very well - and the DBA rotors work super well), yet, why change the proven basics such as the steel wheels which are on every 110 I've recently seen including the 2004 MY. a 110 is cool LR although I really like the ones with a steel dash if you're going that route. Jaime  | ||
| chris cox (Roverpartsnc) New Member Username: Roverpartsnc Post Number: 16 Registered: 09-2003 |
I think the truck looks OK. I don't see anything on it that deseves that kind of bashing. And as far as keeping it original, since when has keeping a LR original been important? | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 251 Registered: 08-2003 |
Frank - Not bad rig at all. Everyone has their own personal tastes. If this works for you then its great. I would probably say that I would of gone without the alloys - but that's my personal taste and to each his own. Bet you won't be buying much from mr.Lee at Expedition Exchange. regards Jeff | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Senior Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 254 Registered: 08-2003 |
Damn I forgot the disingenuous smiley face - Jeff | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 789 Registered: 04-2001 |
John Lee, Nice to see the old you back! As far as the lights I have seen two sets just crack in half when they got wet. I believer the problem is made worse by the higher wattage bulbs you recommend as both were so equipped (though one was a motorcycle bulb 55/100 or something and it was on low). It was a heat and cold water issue, not faulty wiring or anything like that. And yes silconing up the back fixes the fishbowl it does not fix the cold water hot glass issue. Besides if they were that great then they would not need silcone or a hole in the front (which is a potential inspection failure) to seal out water. ECR has the same view of them I do, if you are looking for another negative opinion. Yes, the light is nice but it is not worth the additional problems. Once you drive something german with factory xenon all headlights are crap, and between the H4s and Xtravisions I preferred the more disperse pattern of the xtravisions and they seemed to be about the same brightness. "If you had a set of the DBA's (you don't)," You are right I don't. The genuine rotors and pads on my D90 lock up the tires on hard braking pretty quick and with careful modulation can outstop most things on the road. what I can't see is DBAs "narrow" rotors upfront being better than the vented stock wide rotor upgrade I recommended. With both upgraded I would have to see. The reason I said bling bling is that I can't see how a cad plating can be anygood for the brakes for the time it takes to wear off. The fact that they sell something with a cad plating as "gold" just goes to my impression of them. Hey, they might be good, but their marketing is clearly targeted at a less knowledgable consumer. "the head unit still looks like ass. It doesn't match the Defender's interior styling at all and it looks out of place." LOL, ok, what was that about not being anal? Well there are several ways to address this, one even on my old POS sony ES head unit. And that is the small aux control stalk for it so you do not have to even take the cover off the center cubby, the new ones have remotes. But there are some nice head units that fit the look of a D90, old alpines come to mind. And if you were really really anal you could make the face of the original control a new unit. Finally if you were really a freak you could install the 95/97 style system with the sub upgrade and do all the speakers to something decent. You would have a stock looking head (the pioneer in 110s and 94 D90s is complete crap and does not even permit a CD changer). Sound proofing a defender will do nothing, no matter what you do you will still have extremely loud wind moise at anything above 45mph. It will also make a mess of the body panels if you ever want to take it off. Sure you could quiet it down with a few sheets of dynamat, but to "soundproof" one, come on, there will be little effect on the interior dbs with a cage, rack and the aerodynamic efficiency of a refridgerator. XPS tractions Yes, they are widely available but they are nt widely used. The one truck I drove with these things convinced me of their purpose. high weight payloads, lots of miles out of a set of tires (I have heard over 100k) and offroad non-puncture use. They were so hard that the fronts would lock under moderate braking (admittedly they were 7.50s) which is maybe why michelin sells the XPS rib or whatever for steering applications. Between a 235 XPS or a 265 AT (nto my favorite) I can't possibly see the At being outperfomred in a mainly highway truck. "So Bilstein sucks? This is funny. The highest-quality, winniest shock in worldwide competition, is a POS. Nice to know." For competition you need firmer shocks, especially on road type race driving, but for a 110 on road get something softer than the standard bilstiens, IMO. Opinions etc. Ron | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 790 Registered: 04-2001 |
Oh and I have never lost a gascap. and they only gascaps I sold that were lost were F/L (they don't seat and fall out) and to a 16 year old girl driving an 87 RR so I don't feel it is the pandemic you make it out to be. Ron | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 740 Registered: 02-2003 |
where are you located?/ i havent seen any 110's in the area | ||
| James (Greenmeanie) New Member Username: Greenmeanie Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2004 |
I live in the UK and have seen worse 110s, however Freestyles on a 110 is a big no-no for my tastes. I think John (Lee) goes over the top when it comes to his opinions on another person's vehicle. I personally don't like the fact that all the NAS 110s were the same and have never liked the white cage with the black rack combo. Just my opinion. On the subject of LR genuine parts and LR Special Vehicles, quite frankly LRSV build some rather shoddy vehicles with substandard parts - their rear worklight is a good example. It's a POS - the grille rusts like the railing on an old railway bridge in UK weather. I would never have a vehicle built by the SV dept. - I would use one of the independent specialist builders instead. | ||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Senior Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 608 Registered: 01-2003 |
I have to chime in now. I don't like those wheels. They just aren't right on a 110. The tires are a personal preference, though. Get whatever best suits your needs. The black diamondplate on the side looks stuck on, and it clashes on the hood. Diamondplate itself isn't bad, and if you're using it for its function, as you state you are, then why not paint it body color? Very bizarre. I have to agree that the black cage is not cool. The stock white looks so much nicer & is unique to the 110. I do, however like the chicken wire over the headlights. I think it looks nice. And I like the black magics and HIDS on the ARB. It isn't like the 110 isn't already huge as it is... what's an ARB going to add to it? I think the running boards are nice, too. They serve a purpose & they are sharp looking. I've got no beef with the worklamp. It looks nice, although I would paint the bracket. Hella makes a fine product, one that LR uses for "genuine parts" much of the time. While the seatcovers look like crap, they serve a purpose. The cover I have on the rear seat of the LWB looks like crap, but it keeps the dog's muddy paws off the leather. It's not like it's a permanent addition! | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 493 Registered: 08-2003 |
Frank, If there was one thing on that truck you should change, it would have to be those wheels. A 110 with freestyle alloys is ridiculous. Buy a new set of steel wheels, even if those are just your "street tires." I would definitely get rid of the black DP behind the rear door. It just plain doesn't belong there. To me, it screws up the whole arch of the rear fender, and just makes it look stupid. People put that stuff on thier jeeps to hide rust spots (from what I have seen looking at many used jeeps). Now to the seat covers... Please replace those. Why put a blue set of seat covers on when the interior is all grey? Get a set that matches the color of the interior (that's why they make so many different colors, so you CAN match them up). It just seems like you bought blue covers so they would stand out and be noticed? You have mentioned that you like to go mountain biking, kayaking, etc... Being an active person, I doubt you have any trouble getting in/out of your truck. Do you have anyone in your immediate family that has trouble getting into your 110? If no, then why put on running boards? What's the point? A set of running boards under a set of rock sliders doesn't make sense. How "easily" can you take off those running boards also? Other than that, I like your truck. A 110 has always been a dream of mine. Matt | ||
| Max Pegler (Max200tdi) New Member Username: Max200tdi Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2002 |
Uh Oh.. My 110 came with alloy wheels standard http://home.off-road.com/~tusker/asdelivered.htm And I've added black chequerplate to the wingtops, it helps keep down the glare driving into the sun. To each his own Regards Max P | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 188 Registered: 12-2003 |
those alloy's look better than the freestyle, our rental 110 in england this summer had them on (it was blue and looked ok at best) I would definatly put steel 130 wheels on a 110. The 110 looks really good in white, but i like the black cage, and i liked the black wheels on the CDK. when i get myself a 110, it'll be a classic by that time, i think i'd go for the cdk look. The freestyle's are a definate no no. These are just my preferences, I'll let u all personaly attack my 110 in a few years when i get one. Cheers Jack | ||
| kevin mokracek (Kellymoe) New Member Username: Kellymoe Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2004 |
Why is everybody getting uptight about the seat covers? They serve the purpose, Right? So what if they do not match. Land Rovers or at least Defenders are or at one time were utilitarian vehicles, and that is the attraction. They are not supposed to be sexy. If you wanted sexy you would buy a Discovery. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 951 Registered: 03-2003 |
No, Ron, I do not "recommend" the high wattage bulbs in the H4 lights. You say this because, once again, you have nothing substantive to go on and you have to exaggerate ad absurdum my statement in order to get somewhere. What did I write? Here it is again: "The H4 units also give the user the option of upgrading to a high-wattage bulb like a 80/100w or 90/145w if he wishes." So the H4 headlights give the user the option of upgrading to a high-wattage bulbs if he wishes. This is unquestionably an option that the sealed beams do not offer. Because I mention this as an option, does this mean I recommend the high-wattage bulbs? No. Does this mean I use them on my own truck? No. Do I fault a customer who wants to upgrade to high-wattage bulbs in his truck? No. High-wattage bulbs are not useless. For a user who is willing to re-wire his headlight loom, upgrading to a high-wattage bulb is a viable option. Lots of informed people do it. So long as they are informed about the shorter bulb life and greater risk of cracking their lenses, I can't say that it's a foolish move. It's not something I have on my own truck but I have auxiliary lights. Many people don't and want the greater view of the road ahead. And for you to claim that the sealed beams produce just as nice a pattern a the H4 headlights is just as incredible as your story about skidding the XPS Tractions. Both stories are just plain bullshit. I think you've shown yourself to be a person who will say almost anything just to win an argument. "ECR has the same view of them I do, if you are looking for another negative opinion." Yeah, ECR also sells and installs the SG 3-link and caster-corrected radius arms. Both of these are unsafe mods on any truck. Because ECR installs these items, does it mean that these two items are good? If this is your test, then what about the fact that ECR also installs tethered gas caps on customers' vehicles? If you are going with the "four legs good, two legs bad" mentality, then why are you against tethered gas caps? Isn't what ECR installs good? Isn't that your litmus test? "The genuine rotors and pads on my D90 lock up the tires on hard braking pretty quick and with careful modulation can outstop most things on the road." This is hilarious, and shows a misunderstanding of braking performance. The D90 does not have ABS, so stomping on the brake pedal will lock the brakes and skid the tires. This is undoubtedly true. A 110 is the same way. So your argument seems to be that because you can lock up the tires on the Defender by stomping on the brake pedal, added braking performance is not necessary? Is this is a joke or something? "what I can't see is DBAs "narrow" rotors upfront being better than the vented stock wide rotor upgrade I recommended. With both upgraded I would have to see." When did I say that the DBA drilled and slotted (but solid) front rotors are better than a vented front rotor? Again, you have nothing substantive to go on, so you rely on bullshit to push your argument forward. Of course vented front brakes would be an improvement. Best of all would be the vented DBA drilled/slotted front rotors, combined with disk brakes in the rear (also DBA). "The reason I said bling bling is that I can't see how a cad plating can be anygood for the brakes for the time it takes to wear off. The fact that they sell something with a cad plating as "gold" just goes to my impression of them. Hey, they might be good, but their marketing is clearly targeted at a less knowledgable consumer." You can't see because you refuse to see. Perhaps if ECR sold the DBA brakes then they would be good? The CAD is like one-one-thousandth of an inch thick. It takes no longer to wear off the CAD plating than it does to seat the pads properly against the rotors. The CAD plating wears off in a few miles. It neither helps nor hinders braking performance. The CAD plating, however, is for more than mere looks. The entire rotor is CAD plated. Parts on the rotor that would otherwise be left in the white and exposed to corrosion are CAD plated to resist corrosion. In your vast experience, you have never had a factory rotor bond with the hub because both pieces rusted together over time? You have never had to scrape off rust and scale off the hub portion of the rotor and the perimeter of the rotor? Both of these common problems are attenuated by the CAD plating on the rotors. For to you to say that the CAD plating is fluff is basically a joke and shows your ignorance of and/or prejudice against DBA brakes. Again, perhaps if ECR sold the DBA's, they would become "good"? If you think installing that Sony auxiliary control stalk is a good-looking mod, then this only confirms my worst fears. This coming from the guy who dreams of wearing Johnston & Murphy shoes. That Sony control stalk is hideously ugly on any Defender. It just doesn't belong on any Defender. It looks like ass. "Sound proofing a defender will do nothing, no matter what you do you will still have extremely loud wind moise at anything above 45mph." Oh really? Have you ever tried it? Right now, my truck has soundproofing on the roof and cargo area. I have yet to do the floors or the bulkhead. Even with the interior trim panels removed, the interior is substantially quieter than in factory condition with the interior trim panels present. Several of our customers with soundproofed defenders have substantially quieter trucks than stock. Right now the biggest noise is the tires, and not wind noise. Again, try it first before you mouth off and say it won't work. "and they only gascaps I sold that were lost were F/L (they don't seat and fall out) and to a 16 year old girl driving an 87 RR so I don't feel it is the pandemic you make it out to be." "The pandemic"? LOL. Did you learn the word "pandemic" while reading some Cardozo opinion in your Torts class and thought you would toss it into your post so that it would sound impressive? Nothing is more hilarious than someone who tries to use a fancy word and then misuses it. "Pandemic" is an adjective; not a noun. "The pandemic" is sort of like saying "the common". This reminds me of the poseur vs. poser thread, when you tried to sound like Charlie the Tuna in the old Starkist Tuna commercials and it was patently obvious you very carefully proofread your post to make it grammatically correct, but at the end you were unsure of your skills and you tried to cover yourself by feigning indifference and saying something like, "I know my post has grammatical errors but I really don't care...." You even went to the terrible hassle of using the singular possessive pronoun "he" instead of "their" to relate to a singular pronoun like "someone" or "everyone" just so that you would come off as erudite and authoritative. But, unfortunately for you, you slipped later on in your post and went back to using "their", which is your vernacular. Yes, I'm a dork for noticing such things, but you are an even bigger dork for trying to be what you're not. Worse yet, your statement about not caring was an obvious lie. This was yet more falsity from your falsified ass. Whether exaggerating others' statements, or trying to sound intelligent/educated, or simply lying, you seem to have a problem of sticking to the merits. Stick to your vernacular and Johnston & Murphy shoes. You will be an uneducated hack but at least you'll be yourself. And it's better to be yourself than to be a wannabe, even if what you are is a hack. You will never have any credibility until you realize what you are and accept it. Do you see Kyle using fancy words to get his point across? Kyle has always impressed me with his ability to get his point across authoritatively, even with his lack of fancy words and his numerous typographical errors. His knowledge and experience are obviously there, in spades, and he doesn't need to resort to exaggeration or lies to belittle those with whom he's debating. You do. Kyle speaks authoritatively without resorting to words like "the pandemic". You don't. And, yes, losing the gas cap was a "pandemic" thread on the old D90 list (back in the 1990's when the list was actually fun). It's a "pandemic" occurrence with D90 owners, and fitting a tethered gas cap is a simple and elegant solution to the "pandemic" problem. Anyway, you and I are getting off track with this bickering. Where's Frank? | ||
| kevin mokracek (Kellymoe) New Member Username: Kellymoe Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2004 |
Frank, If you are ever out west and want to do some boating look me up. The Kern is great in the spring and if you are out during an El Nino winter there are some great creeks around Los Angeles. Kevin | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 494 Registered: 08-2003 |
"Why is everybody getting uptight about the seat covers? They serve the purpose, Right? So what if they do not match. Land Rovers or at least Defenders are or at one time were utilitarian vehicles, and that is the attraction. They are not supposed to be sexy. If you wanted sexy you would buy a Discovery." "...but i wanted to know what you thought of my 110..." he wanted our opinion Kevin. | ||
| kevin mokracek (Kellymoe) New Member Username: Kellymoe Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2004 |
OK, here is my opinion. I do not care for the black DP infront of the rear wheel arches either, but I can see there purpose. The same spot on my 109 has had the crap kicked out of it over the years and that small panel for whatever reason just takes a beating. I personaly like the steel wheels on a Defender but I don't cringe when I see alloy. I like the black roll cage, it breaks up the car. I would not have side steps on my Defender but I said the same thing about side steps on our Disco. My wife wanted side steps and guess what? it has side steps. She uses it more than me so she wins. Ever since I got my 130 I dont realy care what she wants done to the Disco, funny how things change. Anyway just a few of my OPINIONS, but I am not going to blow a gasket over anything. Mr. Lee sorry for any spelling errors. | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 792 Registered: 04-2001 |
Hi John Lee! Lights: The H4 i compared with were on a Green 94 we traded. The XPS tractions were on a series I test drove. I stand by my comments on those. To each his own. As far as brakes, anyone who markets cad plated as "gold" is just ghetto. I mean come on. "Oh, I redid my whole D90 in "gold" grade 8 bolts, it goes with the gold package on my 91 acura." LOL It preys on the unknowledgable who think because it is "gold" it must be good. I have not used DBA, but I have driven vehicles with ABs similar product and noticed no appreciable increase in performance. The only increase in performance I have experienced is the vented RRC/D90 style rotors. The lock-up brakes comment meant that at high speed I can lock up the D90 very quickly, in similar situations I could not get the disco to kick in the ABS until more time elapsed. Part of it is weight I am sure, but the brakes on the D90 are much better. Obviously you do not leave the brakes locked up but with some modulation you can bring it down pretty quick. The 530i is better, but I feel the D90 is better than most vehicles I have driven. "Right now the biggest noise is the tires, and not wind noise. Again, try it first before you mouth off and say it won't work." Well you said it yourself, if your tires are so loud you do not hear the wind, then maybe you do not see the issue. With street tires, the only thing I hear is wind from the cage. It is not only the roof it is the doortops and windscreen. I am sure there is some minimal improvement from "soundproofing" but it is still going to be a loud defender. Pandemic's second use is as a noun, when I said "the pandemic" I was using it as such. Like epidemic, but only more widespread. Most common use in this manner is of course the "Great Flu Pandemic of 1918-1919." 9th grade social studies, not Cardozo. To provide a similar useage you CAN use "the common" as a noun. Like the village common. Not the most "common" useage, but allowed. Ron PS I don't dream of wearing Johnston and Murphey shoes, I can put one of the few pair I own anytime I want, I dream of owning a couple dozen pair. PPS Thanks for participating, I have arguments coming up and I need practice. | ||
| Doug Walker (Dougw) Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 47 Registered: 08-2003 |
Couple of things: 1. Max! No Salisbury rear axle -- standard??? Wow, what year did that start? 2. I'm in the process of modifying a full set of land rover flip-down side steps to fit around my rock sliders, with quick-install/remove wing-nuts. I've had one pair on and off a few times now -- works great, and keeps both family and rocks happy. 3. An upgraded front bumper is a necessity for any moderate or difficult off-road work. Nightmare Gultch ate the passenger side of my stock bumper, then Miller Jeep Trail ate the driver side. My ARB however, easily takes a hit without folding up like paper. If you want a more traditional look, the Rovers North Superwinch bumper is an elegant solution and looks pretty tough to boot. Doug W | ||
| Max Pegler (Max200tdi) New Member Username: Max200tdi Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hi Doug, In the 2003 MY there were a few changes. The rear diff, a one piece steel rear door, a Disco style spare carrier, central locking, door seals moved to the door, and a slightly revised dashboard. Theres a headlight adjuster, but no dipping mirror.. and so it goes on. Regards Max P | ||
| Michael Slade (Tawayama) New Member Username: Tawayama Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2003 |
I'm going to jump in here with a hi-jack only because I think this thread deserves it. Maybe it's better off in an e-mail, but I thought that others might like to hear what the answers were, so I'll ask these questions openly. John Lee: I have a few questions, if you'll indulge me, and no, it's not supposed to be a personal attack, more of just kind of finding out a few things, some will be your opinion, most will probably be based in fact, so I appreciate your experience. 1. What sound proofing did you use? I know I have read about brown bread here in the archives (somewhere...), and thought I'd try it myself. There's a pretty good thread about it on D-90.com. 2. I'm using 90/145 Hella bulbs in my IPF H4 lenses, and I usually notice the low beams cutting out and failing way earlier than the high-beams. Maybe because it's that I use them 90% of the time? Any thoughts? I get 'em wholesale for el-cheapo, so burning out quicker than normal hasn't bothered me much...yet. 3. Never heard of SilBlade wipers. Do they make them in 'normal' lengths as well as 13 inches for the Defender? Tell me more. 4. Tell me why you think the caster corrected radius arms are unsafe? Again, not an attack, but I have a pair on my 80-inch truck that Cooper modified for me (not by cuting/plating nor bendng...kind of a proprietary method). Anyway, I've beat the piss out of that truck for a few years now, and have noticed no problems. Just curious if you have heard bad things or if it's just an opinion. 5. I have 2 pair of the DBA rotors sitting in the garage. Both are slotted/drilled and vented. Was thinking of putting both pair on my CrewCab (front/rear are both slotted discs), but the new factory discs are still good after just a year (not surpizing). So...just waiting for a free weekend to throw one pair on the LWB that has at least one slightly warped rotor. Was planning on using stock pads, what is the feedback from users on their pad selection? 6. I used to think the LR factory worklamp was the cat's meow. Had one on my first LR, a '66 88-inch. Now I like the Hella lights instead. Much better beam pattern IMO, especially the dual-bulb square lights (can't remember name). I got a pair of IPF worklights and mounted them sideways on the CC, but don't like them nearly as much as the dual-bulb rectangular Hella's. 7. Spent 2 days at SEMA, didn't see you guys. Were you hiding back in one of the corners? Would have ben nice to see what you were up to. 8. Will an Engel slide-lock work on an ARB fridge? I thought the feet were the same, but don't know for sure. 9. What do you think of my 145? <biggrin> Gonna run now, feel free to answer whenever. No biggie. Michael | ||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 232 Registered: 09-2002 |
What?! You don't like my hood and search lights? Kiss my ass. ;)  | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 923 Registered: 02-2002 |
Michael, "3. Never heard of SilBlade wipers. Do they make them in 'normal' lengths as well as 13 inches for the Defender? Tell me more." http://www.silblade.com/ great product by the way. had them on my RR here in OK where its HOT plus sunny and they did not dry out. "5. I have 2 pair of the DBA rotors sitting in the garage. Both are slotted/drilled and vented. Was thinking of putting both pair on my CrewCab (front/rear are both slotted discs), but the new factory discs are still good after just a year (not surpizing). So...just waiting for a free weekend to throw one pair on the LWB that has at least one slightly warped rotor. Was planning on using stock pads, what is the feedback from users on their pad selection?" I used the LR pads when the DBAs were installed on my LWB RR. good combination and we travel heavy. no fade at all on the long CO passes. hope this helps. JL can help you with you other questions. Jaime  | ||
| Michael Slade (Tawayama) New Member Username: Tawayama Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2003 |
Jamie, Thanks for tne input. The last pads I tried were from NAPA, and they didn't seem to stop me as well as the Lockheed pads do. I thought I'd give the NAPA pads a try because I had *heard* they were less expensive and worked just as well. Come to find out they weren't that less expensive and they didn't work nearly as well. Oh well, at least I now have an informed opinion based on personal experience right? Thanks again. Michael PS I LOVE your 109. Mike and the boys do a good job, but your vision mapped out the project and made it a reality. Nice work, I hope you enjoy it for a long time. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 924 Registered: 02-2002 |
thanks Michael. appreciate the comment and yes, the 109 is a blast to drive! actually has turned into my daily driver until my RR is finished by Mike. and also agree they do good work. by the way, I think your crew cab is very cool. good write-up on your site also. Jaime  | ||
| Michael Slade (Tawayama) New Member Username: Tawayama Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2003 |
Don't you just love the Mutual Admiration Society? | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 925 Registered: 02-2002 |
lol!  | ||
| Rob Goodall (Lobster) New Member Username: Lobster Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2003 |
Someone needs to take John Lee down a peg or two! Get a job people! | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 953 Registered: 03-2003 |
Mike, No attack perceived at all. There's a clear difference between your good-faith questions and Ron Brown's untenable "soundproofing means the elimination of all audible noise" or "DBA is defrauding consumers because the rotors are not really made of gold" arguments. "1. What sound proofing did you use? I know I have read about brown bread here in the archives (somewhere...), and thought I'd try it myself. There's a pretty good thread about it on D-90.com." I'm using Brown Bread and L-comp, both from http://www.b-quiet.com/ Right now, the headliner, door panels, and cargo area panels are all off. Those same portions of the vehicle are coated with multiple layers of Brown Bread. I haven't done the bulkhead, battery boxes, and front floors yet. Right now I'm waiting for various parts to arrive so I haven't reinstalled the headliner and door panels. I ordered the 1995 Rangie rearview mirror (the one with the cool map lights on the bottom) and also those cool little round red door lights that the Range Rover Classics have on their doors. Once these parts arrive and I get a chance to install them, I'll put the headliner and trim panels back on before soundproofing the front. Then I'll have a better idea of how effective the soundproofing is. But I'm confident even now (with the job only partly complete) that the soundproofing is worthwhile. The vehicle is definitely quieter than stock, and that's with the headliner and trim removed. The sliding rear windows rattle on almost every Defender I've ridden in, but mine rattle much less now. The Brown Bread is hideously ugly, so I didn't mount it anywhere that would be visible when the job was complete. I limited its placement only to areas that would be covered by factory trim panels or carpet. So there are a few areas that will remain exposed when I'm completely finished. The L-Comp is a sandwich of foam and aluminum. I don't know how effective or ineffective this is, but I bought two rolls of it for the center console (which rattles a lot on my truck) and possibly the bulkhead. I'm reserving judgment on putting the L-Comp on the bulkhead areas until I tear everything apart and see how vulnerable the L-Comp will be to water contamination. My scuttle vents leak while driving in the rain and my dash pockets get a little wet, so I'm afraid the L-Comp will soak up water if it's mounted to the bulkhead. That's one thing I like about the Brown Bread vs. the felt or foam soundproofing materials: it doesn't soak up water. I started out with one roll of Brown Bread. I thought the roll was huge. But Craig Kobayashi and I did the cargo floor, rear wheel wells, and the front doors and the first roll was gone. LOL. I ordered two more rolls of Brown bread, and two of those rolls are gone now after the roof and side walls were done. So I ordered two more rolls and two pieces of L-Comp. I'm pretty sure what I have left will be more than enough to do the entire interior. I might also do the inside of the hood. Again, Brown Bread is hideously ugly, so I never would have thought of doing the hood before. But I recently realized that the NAS 110's came with factory hood liners. So I'm thinking about finally installing my hood spare wheel mount (which has been sitting here in the shop for almost a year now), then soundproofing the hood, and then covering up the entire mess with the 110 hood liner. (One of the reasons I was hesitant to install the spare wheel mount is because it looks so ugly under the hood.) We'll see if this pans out or not. "2. I'm using 90/145 Hella bulbs in my IPF H4 lenses, and I usually notice the low beams cutting out and failing way earlier than the high-beams. Maybe because it's that I use them 90% of the time? Any thoughts? I get 'em wholesale for el-cheapo, so burning out quicker than normal hasn't bothered me much...yet." Are these Hella bulbs or IPF? I'm not sure Hella makes a 90/145w H4 bulb. I tried two different sets of the IPF 90/145w bulbs in my truck and I kept smoking bulbs as well so I went back to the 55/60w Hella bulbs. I recently ordered some Hella 80/100w H4 bulbs for testing. Whenever I get a chance, I'll install these in my truck and see if their life is shortened. "3. Never heard of SilBlade wipers. Do they make them in 'normal' lengths as well as 13 inches for the Defender? Tell me more." Check out: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/silblade/ "4. Tell me why you think the caster corrected radius arms are unsafe? Again, not an attack, but I have a pair on my 80-inch truck that Cooper modified for me (not by cuting/plating nor bendng...kind of a proprietary method). Anyway, I've beat the piss out of that truck for a few years now, and have noticed no problems. Just curious if you have heard bad things or if it's just an opinion." I don't know your Nathan Cooper arms are constructed, so I can't comment on those. My comment was directed toward the SG and RTE caster-corrected arms, which are chopped, re-angled, and then welded back together. I have never thought this was a good idea. The radius arms are under tremendous load during braking. I'm no engineer, but I'm confident this is why Land Rover made the radius arms out of one-piece forgings while less critical pieces like the trailing arms are made from welded components. I have seen three different caster-corrected arms fail on the trail. All three snapped at the welds. Given that there are not a whole lot of these floating around, three failures is a lot I think. I will stay with the factory radius arms on my truck. For caster correction, I much prefer the front Truetrac. "5. I have 2 pair of the DBA rotors sitting in the garage. Both are slotted/drilled and vented. Was thinking of putting both pair on my CrewCab (front/rear are both slotted discs), but the new factory discs are still good after just a year (not surpizing). So...just waiting for a free weekend to throw one pair on the LWB that has at least one slightly warped rotor. Was planning on using stock pads, what is the feedback from users on their pad selection?" I like the Genuine Land Rover pads the best. They seem to squeal the least and they're readily available. Aftermarket pads are also more likely to throw fault codes in the never Rovers like the Disco2 for some reason. "6. I used to think the LR factory worklamp was the cat's meow. Had one on my first LR, a '66 88-inch. Now I like the Hella lights instead. Much better beam pattern IMO, especially the dual-bulb square lights (can't remember name). I got a pair of IPF worklights and mounted them sideways on the CC, but don't like them nearly as much as the dual-bulb rectangular Hella's." That Hella lamp is the 90601 Double Worklamp: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/hella/DSC04057.jpg I like the Double Worklamp a lot, but I generally prefer the FF Ultrabeam: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/hella/DSC03553.jpg Both the Double Worklamp and FF Ultrabeam have flood patterns, but the pattern is wider than it is tall. The FF Ultrabeam's lens is square, and so the user can turn the lens 90 degrees if he wants a pattern that is taller than wide. I chose this option on my Defender. I have the FF Ultrabeams mounted under my truck for spotting lights, and I like the patterns to go lengthwise, especially on my side spotting lights. The FF Ultrabeam is also a little smaller, which I like for worklamps. This is one reason I don't like the Matador. The Matador is huge and just looks clumsy to me, although many people seem to like it. Finally, the FF Ultrabeam has a disconnecting plug on it, so you can wire it up and yet remove the housing easily. Of course you can rig up a disconnecting plug for any light, but the FF Ultrabeams plug looks really nice. The Double Worklamp is definitely brighter. It has two 55w bulbs instead of one. I have never considered this a big deal, but the 55w ones have been bright enough for me. The RTC8921AA worklamp is a POS. The wiring is razor thin and the switch works like junk. The reflector material is junk and the lens looks cloudy. But it's a sweet lamp overall I think. It's considerably smaller and more elegant than the Matador. Its ball-and-socket adjustment system is very nice. And it looks very nice if you're going for the "factory" look on your truck. You can change out the wiring on it if you like. "7. Spent 2 days at SEMA, didn't see you guys. Were you hiding back in one of the corners? Would have ben nice to see what you were up to." Oh man. SEMA was a zoo this year. Ho and I typically go for only one day, because we can't stay away from the shop for more than one day without things going to pot. This year was a mad rush to see as many different vendors as possible. We spent several hours with Superwinch alone. We didn't even see the entire show this year. "8. Will an Engel slide-lock work on an ARB fridge? I thought the feet were the same, but don't know for sure." Do you have the older ARB fridge or the latest one (the one that looks just like an Engel but blue)? Does your fridge look like this?: http://www.4wheelers.com/arbfreezlrg.gif Or does it look like this?: http://www.marine4x4.com.au/images/arb/freezer.jpg If the latter, then the Engel Slide Lock will definitely work. If the former, then let me know the center-to-center measurements of your fridge's feet, and I'll know if the Slide Lock will work or not. | ||
| kevin mokracek (Kellymoe) New Member Username: Kellymoe Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2004 |
There is a good editorial in the March issue of Hot Rod Magazine on the percieved effect that BBS's have had on the hot rod community. The same can be said for the Land Rover community. It is very easy to sit behind a keyboard and spray your opinion with no consiquences. Would you say the exact same thing if you where face to face at a car meet or on the trail comparing rigs? Some of us might. Most wouldn't. If you get a chance, the next time you are in 7-11 just read the editorial piece in the front of the magazine. Excuse the spelling errors. | ||
| Michael Slade (Tawayama) New Member Username: Tawayama Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2003 |
John, Thanks for taking the time to answer some questions. I have a few to ask back, hopefully this doesnÕt get too boring for everyone else. If soÉwell, too bad. ÒI'm using Brown Bread and L-comp, both from b-quiet.Ó Yeah, thatÕs who I was going to get it from too. I donÕt know if they have any other vendors or not. I was planning on only using one roll, but now you have me second guessing my plan. Maybe I ought to order 3 rolls JIC. I donÕt want to start the project, tear the truck apart and have to do it again later. HmmmÉ Did you use the regular brown bread or the brown bread extreme? ÒI might also do the inside of the hood. Again, Brown Bread is hideously ugly, so I never would have thought of doing the hood before.Ó Yeah, the foil backing isnÕt the sexiest looking stuff there is. Funny how all the street tuner boys seem to like showing it off on the inside of their trunks. Hehe. I was planning on doing it on my tunnel cover and then having some carpet made to fit over the top of it. ItÕs a non-standard tunnel cover, so IÕd have to have something made up. I think IÕll probably do 2-3 layers of it on the inside of the truck, and maybe do some on the underside too. Problem is, I had the tunnel cover out of the truck when we did some transmission servicing (ok, actually a swap), and lined the underside of it with this really crappy felt/foil sutff I got at the local hotrod shop. Adding insult to injury was seeing it for sale at Home Depot later made to cover hot water heaters. ÒBut I recently realized that the NAS 110's came with factory hood liners. So I'm thinking about finally installing my hood spare wheel mount (which has been sitting here in the shop for almost a year now), then soundproofing the hood, and then covering up the entire mess with the 110 hood liner. (One of the reasons I was hesitant to install the spare wheel mount is because it looks so ugly under the hood.) We'll see if this pans out or not.Ó One thing you could do is get your hood frame galvanized. I did that on my truck. I like the industrial look of the galvanizing and the hood mounted spare bracket I have doesnÕt look too bad either from underneath. What does look TERRIBLE though is that POS felt/foil soundproofing I put under there. ANYTHING will look better than it, even the silver foil brown bread. IÕll have to look at the 110 hood liner to see if theyÕre readily available. Maybe weÕll get the deal if we order two? ÒAre these Hella bulbs or IPF? I'm not sure Hella makes a 90/145w H4 bulb. I tried two different sets of the IPF 90/145w bulbs in my truck and I kept smoking bulbs as well so I went back to the 55/60w Hella bulbs. I recently ordered some Hella 80/100w H4 bulbs for testing. Whenever I get a chance, I'll install these in my truck and see if their life is shortened.Ó I was using the 90/145 IPF bulbs, but even at the prices I get them for they were still 2-3 times more than the Hella bulbs I now use. I forget that I actually order 90/130 watt Hella bulbs (# H83140011). They are slightly dimmer and not as white (as measured with a color temperature meter) as the IPFÕs. The price difference is enough to convince me that the HellaÕs are the ones to use. ÒCheck out: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/silblade/ Ò Yeah, wow. Pretty cool. Pretty expensive, but probably worth it IÕd guess. I also like that spray for the glass too. Had never thought of using it on headlights and aux. lights. Pretty good idea actually. As a shareholder of General Electric I appreciate the use of their plastics/silicones and try to be the end user of their technologies when I can. IÕll have to see about getting some blades in the future (the CrewCab has brand new blades, but my RRC could use a set). ÒI don't know your Nathan Cooper arms are constructed, so I can't comment on those. Ò My radius arms were modified by Timm Cooper of http://www.bcboffroad.com. I donÕt know Nathan Cooper either. ÒMy comment was directed toward the SG and RTE caster-corrected arms, which are chopped, re-angled, and then welded back together. I have never thought this was a good idea. ÒI have seen three different caster-corrected arms fail on the trail. All three snapped at the welds. Given that there are not a whole lot of these floating around, three failures is a lot I think. I will stay with the factory radius arms on my truck.Ó Wow, I have never heard of any caster corrected radius arms failing. IÕm sure that would end a trip pretty quick. Timm has done welding and fabrication on cast-iron parts for years. The technique he uses is different than what RTE or SG does, and I asked him about the metallurgy involved. He went off on some long-winded explanation (like he typically does), and either sufficiently baffled me or convinced me that he knew what he was talking about and that his radius arms would not fail. I havenÕt had any problems with mine, but will watch them a little more carefully. ÒFor caster correction, I much prefer the front Truetrac.Ó IÕm not sure how it works, but IÕve heard that from many people. Pretty neat actually as a side-benefit. Unfortunatley you have not really corrected the caster back to factory spec, you have just hidden the symptoms. IÕm not sure I disagree with using the Trutrac, I just really like ARBÕs and will stick with them and correct the caster mechanically. IÕm baffled at the radius arm failures. IÕd love to see pics. ÒI like the Genuine Land Rover pads the best. They seem to squeal the least and they're readily available.Ó Yeah, I think I like Genuine pads best anyway, so thatÕs reassuring to hear I donÕt need to go to the ultra-sexy super-swanky ceramic pads. IÕve tried all kinds of pads and think the Lockheeds are best (Geunine BTW). ÒThe RTC8921AA worklamp is a POS. You can change out the wiring on it if you like.Ó No thanks. I think IÕm done messing with lights for a while and really like what IÕve got right now. ÒOh man. SEMA was a zoo this year.Ó You didnÕt think it was last year? Hehe. ÒHo and I typically go for only one day, because we can't stay away from the shop for more than one day without things going to pot. This year was a mad rush to see as many different vendors as possible. We spent several hours with Superwinch alone. We didn't even see the entire show this year.Ó Stupor-winch (sorry, couldnÕt resist), has some impressive products no doubt. I was looking at their gear and listening to one of the Superwinch reps. talking to someone in their booth. He saw my Land Rover hat, and explained to the people he was talking to that Land Rover owners really like the Superwinch products. He didnÕt even skip a beat, which I thought was pretty good. I just smiled and winked at him. Hehe. ÒDo you have the older ARB fridge or the latest one (the one that looks just like an Engel but blue)?Ó IÕve had my fridges for several years now, itÕs the older style and looks like the one on the 4wheelers.com site, only mineÕs not nearly as straight and unscratched. IÕve been meaning to get a transit bag for that one, but it keeps eluding me as other things seem to be more important. ÒLet me know the center-to-center measurements of your fridge's feet, and I'll know if the Slide Lock will work or not.Ó Center to center the foot mounting machine screw measures 8 1/4 x 19 inches. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. BTW, I had Bebimpap (English translations are always pretty weak) and Kim-Chi (Chee?) for lunch yesterday. Some Bo-ri Cha to drink and all was good. We need to go have some hard-core Korean food sometime. I make a mean ÒFire MeatÓ. Hehe. Oh, you never told me what you think of my 145. LOL. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 954 Registered: 03-2003 |
Mike, "I have a few to ask back, hopefully this doesnÕt get too boring for everyone else. If soÉwell, too bad." LOL. Yeah, "oh well." "Yeah, thatÕs who I was going to get it from too. I donÕt know if they have any other vendors or not." I think that's the only vendor. I'm not sure though, as I never checked. I've ordered from them before and have always been very pleased with their service. They ship the same day and they email me the tracking numbers. No headaches or anything so far. So I keep going back. "I was planning on only using one roll, but now you have me second guessing my plan. Maybe I ought to order 3 rolls JIC. I donÕt want to start the project, tear the truck apart and have to do it again later." I don't think one roll is enough. The roll is really heavy and it's pretty big when you first see it. But the material is pretty thick and the roll diminishes very quickly. So I would think at least three rolls. It's pretty odd. Just doing an area like the trans tunnel in multiple layers takes a lot more material than you might think. "HmmmÉ Did you use the regular brown bread or the brown bread extreme? I just use the Brown Bread. Here is a comparison with B-Quiet's performance figures and such: http://www.b-quiet.com/compare.html I use the stuff in the middle column. I don't know how accurate or truthful B-Quiet's performance data are. "I was planning on doing it on my tunnel cover and then having some carpet made to fit over the top of it. ItÕs a non-standard tunnel cover, so IÕd have to have something made up. I think IÕll probably do 2-3 layers of it on the inside of the truck, and maybe do some on the underside too. Problem is, I had the tunnel cover out of the truck when we did some transmission servicing (ok, actually a swap), and lined the underside of it with this really crappy felt/foil sutff I got at the local hotrod shop. Adding insult to injury was seeing it for sale at Home Depot later made to cover hot water heaters." I don't have any real experience with the various soundproofing materials, but I would be wary of anything made out of felt. My floors and rear carpets have the felt below the carpet, and this felt sucks up water like a sponge. That's why I'm wondering if I'm going to use that L-Comp stuff on the bulkhead, and I think the bulkhead stays a lot drier and cleaner than the floors. "What does look TERRIBLE though is that POS felt/foil soundproofing I put under there. ANYTHING will look better than it, even the silver foil brown bread. IÕll have to look at the 110 hood liner to see if theyÕre readily available. Maybe weÕll get the deal if we order two?" I doubt we'll get a better deal if we order two, but it might be worth a try. If you want I can look in my parts catalog and see the part number for the NAS 110's factory hood liner. This part might even be NLA. I suppose there is the UK-spec 110 hood liners, but I don't know if NAS hood liner is any different from the UK spec 110's. I think the Td5 hoods are different too. "I was using the 90/145 IPF bulbs, but even at the prices I get them for they were still 2-3 times more than the Hella bulbs I now use." The price of those IPF bulbs is just shocking. I can't believe how much they cost. List is like $40 or something and I think that was EACH. LOL. I've gone through two sets of those bulbs so I'm not going back. But I still remember the joy when I first installed those and hit the switch. It was like poor man's HID's. The light output was just awesome. And, I never even got high-beamed, not even once, by oncoming traffic because of the e-code pattern from the H4 housings. "I forget that I actually order 90/130 watt Hella bulbs (# H83140011). They are slightly dimmer and not as white (as measured with a color temperature meter) as the IPFÕs. The price difference is enough to convince me that the HellaÕs are the ones to use." Yeah, the IPF 90/145's were very white. This was especially cool because the bulbs didn't have that fake contact lens blue tinting on them. The bulbs were clear but the emitted light was very white. Nice. If only those bulbs lasted that is what I would be using. "My radius arms were modified by Timm Cooper of http://www.bcboffroad.com. I donÕt know Nathan Cooper either." LOL. My bad. TIMM Cooper. Not Nathan Cooper. Nathan Cooper is a customer of ours. I've seen Timm Cooper's work and it looks superb. No prison labor stuff there, that's for sure. If anyone can pull off the caster-corrected arm thing, I would think that he can. "You didnÕt think it was last year? Hehe." Sorry, I meant it was a zoo for us. SEMA has changed for us since we first went in 2001. In 2001, Ho and I would go more as spectators more than buyers. We didn't know anyone there and we went mostly to sightsee. Things are different now. Ho and I go more for business now. Whether it's to find new products or chitchat with our vendors, it's very different now and there's definitely more of a time crunch than there was in previous years. I think next year's SEMA Show will be even worse, so we might have to stay at least another day. We'll see what happens. "IÕve had my fridges for several years now, itÕs the older style and looks like the one on the 4wheelers.com site, only mineÕs not nearly as straight and unscratched. IÕve been meaning to get a transit bag for that one, but it keeps eluding me as other things seem to be more important." Definitely get the bag. I never knew how much I needed a bag until I finally got one after using my Engel for a year or two. The bag is just awesome. The bag does many things, but I think the best thing about the bag is that it prevents the lid from sliding off the hinges when I'm driving and reaching back for a soda. "Center to center the foot mounting machine screw measures 8 1/4 x 19 inches." Yeah, those are the measurements of the current Engel's as well. So a Slide Lock would fit your Engel. Take a look here to see some pics of the Slide Lock: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/slidelock/ You can see the waisted feet that come with the Slide Lock. These waisted feet replace your factory feet and the locking portions of the Slide Lock slide into the waists of the new feet. "I had Bebimpap (English translations are always pretty weak) and Kim-Chi (Chee?) for lunch yesterday. Some Bo-ri Cha to drink and all was good. We need to go have some hard-core Korean food sometime. I make a mean ÒFire MeatÓ." Oh man. Chez Whitey hits Vegas Koreatown. Don't tell me you also own a pair of these Rob Davison Specials: http://www.onestopknifeshop.com/images/snowpeak/sno-sct-003.jpg Next time you're in LA, let me know and we'll hit LA Koreatown. "Oh, you never told me what you think of my 145. LOL." | ||
| Michael Slade (Tawayama) New Member Username: Tawayama Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hehe, I don't own any of those Snow Peak chopsticks, but I did think they were pretty swank when I fist saw them. My chopsticks come from the local Korean grocer where I can buy 100 pr. for about $5. Snow Peak has some nice looking stuff, I didn't think it would pass the test of time, so I passed. Chez Whitey LIVED in Korea for 2 1/2 years, so I'm very aware of just how bad the English translations of the Korean language are. The best was when a S. Korean female student from Yon-Sei (Univ. in Seoul), came up to me one day and said, "I would like to have English intercourse with you". I *think* she meant she just wanted to talk, but one can never be too sure. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1702 Registered: 02-2003 |
John, I know you know that I read every post. What's all this about brown bread? I'll make you a deal if you ever want to talk white bread and I'm your guy. If I ever have a question about rice I'll run it by you. I'll bring the sticks in case you want to show off your technique. rd | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 931 Registered: 02-2002 |
John, my RR had the SG caster-corrected arms and my accident placed a much higher loading than anything one could encounter in the field. well perhaps except falling off a cliff. if you remember, the driver side wheel ended up under the seat box after "Big Footing" over the front end of a car and basically destroying the front suspension. of interest is that the passenger side arm was bent and the drivers side was broken. Both the bend and the break though were not located in the welded area. if performed properly, which is really the deciding factor in any welding, a weld should actually be stronger than the surrounding material. I would use a caster-corrected arm constructed in this manner again based upon this experience. Jaime  | ||
| Randy Black (Snuffer) New Member Username: Snuffer Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2004 |
Well Frank, some of your mods I like some I don't. But I have never read such a blast of shit in my life as the one by John Lee. You were right about the Martha Stewart comment. And rember this the guy who thinks the LR bumper with the goofy brush gaurd is the best thing going. And haven't I seen chicken wire over his headlights? John also thinks his pizza cutters are the must have tires anything else is too Jeep looking. I got so tired of all the horse shit on this thread that I skipped most of it, hope I didn't miss anything worthwhile. It only confirms my belief that you modify your truck the way you want it and don't be concerned with what style is the hottest in the Torrance area. Please help me with any gramatic errors I might have made John. | ||
| Bruno Tome (Bruno_tome) Member Username: Bruno_tome Post Number: 81 Registered: 01-2004 |
"Please help me with any gramatic errors I might have made John." GRAMMATICAL. BT. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1352 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL All you sensitive readers out there who are overly in-touch with your feminine sides, remember that Frank here asked for opinions, "good & bad". I don't recall John Lee asking you for your opinion about his posts, in fact, I don't remember him asking you for jack shit. LOL Slade, your 145 is a monstrosity of epic proportions. P.S. Good grammar and good spelling are always appreciated by the reader. There is no reason to bastardize the English (or any) language just because you're on-line. I shudder every time I use shorthand, even on quickie text-messages over the cell lines. Kyle has an excuse due to the fact that he lost half his fingers in Vietnam. | ||
| Randy Black (Snuffer) New Member Username: Snuffer Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2004 |
Nor did I ask you for anything, Blue. | ||
| Ivan 94 LWB (Montoya) Member Username: Montoya Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2003 |
This is a pretty ugly thread. John Lee sure knows is land rovers but if he's at all related to expeditionexchange.com, than I wonder how he has any customers. David Marchand had my favorite reply. "What?! You don't like my hood and search lights? Kiss my ass. ;)" If Blue is going to be a stickler about grammar, than he should watch is run on sentences. "I don't recall John Lee asking you for your opinion about his posts, in fact, I don't remember him asking you for jack shit. " | ||
| Bruno Tome (Bruno_tome) Member Username: Bruno_tome Post Number: 82 Registered: 01-2004 |
Damn Martians... BT. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1353 Registered: 04-2003 |
wasn't directed specifically at you Randy was directed at "sensitive readers out there who are overly in-touch with your feminine sides" you made the connection, not me here are some sentence fragments for you, Ivan P.S. shuddup | ||
| Randy Black (Snuffer) New Member Username: Snuffer Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2004 |
The only connection I made was with the "I don't remember him asking you for..." (see my previous post) Was I supposed to just accept his comments as "the word from on high" without an opinion of my own? Jamie, I should have known not to jump into all of this scratching and hair pulling, shouldn't I. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1354 Registered: 04-2003 |
sorry, you presume that I actually read all these moronic posts.....LOL | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 935 Registered: 02-2002 |
Randy, its all in jest and yes John does have his opinions which one might or might not agree with. of course we all have some opinions on things which folks may or may not agree. Blue's comment also sums it up pretty well. There are only a few crazed D-Webbers who read all the posts. Mi amigo from Pittsburgh is one of them, yet, thats a different story. So, enjoy the banter which occassionly happens and usually makes the post more interesting and add your opinion when you want. There is what I'd call a core group here who has some very valuable information that when the situation warrants, they come out and help. Other times its mostly just brainless. Enjoy the fun. Jaime  | ||
| Randy Black (Snuffer) New Member Username: Snuffer Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2004 |
Thanks Jamie, I'll be looking for the useful stuff. This one sounded like the one we had about "monster Rovers". | ||
| Wicks (Wicks) Member Username: Wicks Post Number: 147 Registered: 03-2003 |
I CAN'T BELIEVE NONE OF YOU SHARED THIS DELICIOUS THREAD WITH ME! ;) GRRRRRRover. FRANK: I don't mind things like changing the roll cage to black. Here are the things that really turn the stomach though: 1) The side plating isn't cut right and thus makes your truck look OBVIOUSLY pimpified/poseur/whatever. You should only use Genuine LR chequerplating. Order the ones used on the Tomb Raider units. 2) Those chicken wire light covers are the same, total garbage aftermarket merde. Replace with genuine slat-cased covers. Those are the two worst points. Then would be those lights. Way ghetto. Could be a great looking truck. Whomever it is that has been tinkering on it for you - relieive them immediately so they don't inflict any more damage. | ||
| James (Greenmeanie) New Member Username: Greenmeanie Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2004 |
On the subject of castor correcting radius arms by welding I too am wary of them. Although I am sure that it is possible to do a proper job with these (I'm certain that Timm Cooper does), the problem is not so much making them strong enough. As someone already said, the welds themselves, done properly will be at least as strong as the material surrounding them. Of more concern is how the weld reacts to fatigue caused by the constant loading, unloading, compression, tension and twisting that the arms are subjected to. I haven't looked into this much at present but am under the impression that the disruption in the material caused by welding means that that area of the arm is more likely to suffer from a failure due to fatigue. | ||
| Garrett (Rover7592) Senior Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 389 Registered: 03-2003 |
Frank, your truck is very unique, sean jones and sid have done a lot of work on your truck, and deserve credit for it. I have never owned a 110 but am always fascinated to see one. I think the black roll cage looks fine, i think a white roll cage with a black rack would look goofy. The ARB and the Hella 4000 HID's combine for a nice setup. I do not think your 110 has been hacked in any sort of way, Blue Ridge Rover Works did an excellent job of doing what you asked for, they put on your truck what you requested, and did it right. Can't wait to check the Defender out next time it is up there. Rear work lamp is a good choice, i currently run the same on my Discovery. I like the diamond plate on the hood and fenders, i think the black on white makes a good combination. I would not change anything on your truck to suit anyone else. They gave their opinions of what they think you should do, but i like the truck, and would love to have one like it someday. If you ever need any help with your 110 in your spare time, i'd definately be willing to pitch in a helping hand. Sean's got my phone # if you'd like to get in touch. Send me some pics of your Disco to rover7592@yahoo.com if you get a chance. John Lee, Even though i'm sure my opinion doesn't really matter, and you may not want it but i'll let you know what i think. I think you have a very unique truck as well, i think the white steel rims look good on the white Defender. Your truck is awesome, and maintains the original look of the defender. I think you are a nice guy, you helped me out when i ordered my springs from EE, and i should be ordering my shocks at the begenning of the week. I live about 15 minutes shy of Frank and BRRW, and i know they worked hard on the Defender to get it to fit Franks' daily lifestyle. Don't knock his truck over a difference of opinion, he's got an extremely clean vehicle and spent a lot of money to have it looking the way it does. Blue, tell it like it is. If they dont like what you have to say, that's tough. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2003 |
This is the part about this silly thread that I don't get. John states what he doesn't like. Fine. It's all opinion based on what he likes and Frank asked for it. Frank in turn plainly states to most of John's points that he simply has different tastes and likes the aesthetic items. Ok, he was a bit sassy at one point, but other than the factual discussion about which rear light may or may not be best (Yeah! I have the one John likes! ) at this point it is just a "I like orange." " No! I like green!!" argument. Does that seem horribly obvious to anyone else? Neither are right. That's why I'm puzzled by John's statement "If you can't take it that your 110 is not worthy of showing off, and is even something to be embarrassed about, then don't show off your 110. If you can't accept negative opinions about your 110, then don't ask for opinions, good or bad." He took it. He took John's opinion and then stated responses to his opinions with his own. At this point, most people just say "Oh, you think differently than me. You like the diamond plate and such, ok." End of discussion. If I ask for your opinion and you give it to me and don't agree with it, then point out why my opinion is different....isn't that just OK and the subject drops? Why does someone have to be "not taking it" just because they don't agree with your opinion? This ain't some trial where we are stating facts, it's just opinion. That's my opinion and I'm sticking too it. As a wise young man once said "If you don't want to hear other people's opinions, don't get on the Internet" or something like that. Once again, I've added nothing to the conversation. pwc PS I like monkeys | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 235 Registered: 12-2003 |
frank, you said at the very top "it's going back in on monday for decals" Got any pic's of them, never seen a 110 with decals. xddisco97@aol.com Cheers Jack | ||
| Wicks (Wicks) Member Username: Wicks Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2003 |
Actually rover people commonly wonder if they've done the right thing, and will only feel satissfied once an issue has been fully deliberated, not just opinion stated. Hopefully the reulst of this discussion has been improved taste in Rover mods. I know I do this - for instance I am not sure that I like my choice in rack lights - 4 Hella 3000s up there. John Lee once stated (when I was asking for opinions) that perhaps they are too bilky for sitting up there en masse, and 4 500s might be better. I think that I'd like to get the lamp racks originally used on CT trucks (with this type of roofrack), and put 500s in there. Improved taste, I hope. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 966 Registered: 03-2003 |
Wicks, Yeah, the 500's on the roof of a D90 can be good or bad depending on how they are done. Good 4 x 500's: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/cameltrophy/bogging.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/cameltrophy/shoveling.jpg Bad 4 x 500's: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/ontheroad-moab/P0000490.jpg The former would be nicer than your current set-up (which is perfectly acceptable BTW). The latter would not be nicer. | ||
| Bruno Tome (Bruno_tome) Member Username: Bruno_tome Post Number: 95 Registered: 01-2004 |
Wicks, Go with the 4000's... 4 of them - right up there for everyone to see! BT. | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Senior Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 254 Registered: 12-2003 |
john, whats up with the 3 lights on the front of that d90, Looks like one's a 7inch and the others a 9. If ur gunna run 3 lights i think you should at least run three of the same diameter. Cheers Jack | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1423 Registered: 04-2003 |
even worse Hella 500 setup:  | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1426 Registered: 09-2002 |
is it what the guy on the bike is writing you the ticket for? | ||
| Jack Leitch (Liveattheedge) Senior Member Username: Liveattheedge Post Number: 258 Registered: 12-2003 |
Wow, if that was the dammage to the front of your car, what did the other one look like? | ||
| Wicks (Wicks) Member Username: Wicks Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2003 |
John, that indeed is the best setup. Lacking those mounting brackets, I can't really go there. I saw a set of them on a D110 that had a full-length SD roofrack, parked in a lot next to Performance Products up in the Valley, so I know SD made them to fit this type of basket. I wonder if there might be some sitting around? I wonder why SD fitted the light mounts evenly across the top of 90 roll cages, and (correctly) paired to each side on 110s. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1424 Registered: 04-2003 |
yeah, I got a ticket for running with cheap mexican plastic hellas Kyle turned me in the bed on the f150 I hit was knocked outta whack. The f150 was pushed into a jeep in front of him, and his rear end was messed up. Not much damage to the front of the f150  |
