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Dave
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:05 am: | 
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I need a new exhaust system on my '97. I recieved a quote for the Borla Stainless complete system for under $400. NRP wants $1300.
Can anyone give me any reasoning as to why I would pay for the NRP when the Borla is stainless and much cheaper?
Any experiences? |
DJ Menasco
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:28 pm: |
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Borla's "complete" system only provides the tail pipe section and not the cats/y-pipe, whereas, NRP does. Hence, the huge diffrence in price. At least this is what I've found.
DJ |
Dave
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:51 pm: |
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That's interesting. I went back and looked at their site. Here's what they say: CAT-BACK (Complete Exhaust System from catalytic converter back)
So, does this include the cat or not? |
Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 05:03 pm: |
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nope, cat-back means no cats. finally got that straight in my own head recently  |
DJ Menasco
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 05:08 pm: |
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Nope. "From the Catalytic converter back" is just that. It begins behind the cat and runs back via tail pipe. If it were a complete system then it should tell you that the exhaust system begins at the exhaust mainifold exit and not the cats.
Look at the NRP web site (http://www.onlinemac.com/business/northwestrover/)and compare it to the Borla. You'll can see why it's $1300 and not $400 like the Borla. The NRP Y-pipe is $799 and the exhaust is $519, whereas the Borla is $400 just for the exhaust.
Hope this helps you out Dave. I know I was looking into the same issue as you. I find the Borla exhaust to be very clandestine and the NRP not to be. But, the NRP Y-Pipe doesn't drop below the frame like the OEM does. So if you can mate the NRP Y-Pipe to the Borla exhaust I'd have it made. But I think I'm going to end up with the entire NRP system.
Regards
DJ |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 07:01 pm: |
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a system that ive heard works good(and it sounds great) is the NRP y pipe and borla muffler(not the whole borla system) then just have the pipes custom bent. This way you save a little money and you can have the pipes any way you want them...
just a thought......
Will |
Dave
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:21 am: |
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Thanks guys. DJ, it looks like I'll have to pony up for the NRP. I was thinking of going via the Summit Racing stuff, but after figuring out all of the line items, plus labor of pipe bending, the pricing comes close to the same.
I'm glad that I at least now know what "cat-back" means... |
DJ Menasco
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:02 pm: |
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Well, there are other ways rather than the NRP or Borla. I believe Bill Ritchie replaced his cat's with a 28814 (MAR) Converter 705 - cost was 135.00, plus a 42541 Flowmaster. He had this done at the local Meineke Discount Mufflers. I'm not sure if this is the nation wide "Meineke" or what? I'd track him down. He seems to frequent the Pirate4x4 list, but you can read about his set up on the D-90 Source. Just click on "Product Reviews" and his write-up will be on the left hand side of the web-page.
DJ |
94Rover
| | Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:47 pm: |
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Well, guys I just had the pleasure of having a NRP cat-back system installed on the 94Rover today, and believe me, I love it. I was going to go the DIY route, but figured with the high humidity here in MD, and the lack of having a lift, calling my local Columbia Meineke was the best option(they only install prepurchased exhuast systems if they are performance exhaust, and it depends on how busy the local shop is, and how bad they need the money). The crew there had me in and out in less than an hour, and the bill came to $117.00- the only problem the shop guys encountered were the bolts being frozen* locked and had to be torched just to remove the old exhaust-(just like the NRP instructions point out- the hardest part installing a NRP system is removing the old exhaust). My wife thinks its a little throaty(loud) but I really enjoy the sound. Cruised the entire afternoon without turning on the stereo. I'll submit pics later on this week. |
Dave
| | Posted on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:39 am: |
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Thanks 94Rover. Please do submit pics. I think I'm going the NRP route next week.
Question though. Are the Cat's a little more tucked up next to the frame on the NRP? The stock stuff is surprisingly exposed...
Cheers,
Dave |
DJ Menasco
| | Posted on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 02:10 pm: |
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Dave
I've see two local defenders with the NRP cats, and I can't see them below the frame. They appear to be nice and tucked away above the frame. When I went to look at my LRNA cat system, they obviously hung below the frame.
DJ |
trevorgriffiths
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:15 pm: |
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I put a full NRP on my 94 Disco-great sound and more clearance for the cats. I also have a cat-back NRP system for a DI for sale. Paid $440, would like $440.
Trevor |
Dave
| | Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:43 am: |
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Hey DJ,
Just got the NRP on over the weekend. the Cat's are well tucked away. It's a sweat looking system, the sound is good. Don't know about HP gain, I may have gotten some, but with 102K miles on the engine, 'some' is better than none.
Cheers,
Dave |
Kim S (Roverine)
Senior Member
Username: Roverine
Post Number: 445
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:45 am: |
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Trying to revive this old thread ... Don't know if it will work, but I'll give it a try (I think I've got a case of OCD here) ... We've slowly got a few basics covered with the "new" (over 80K miles) '97 SW. (i.e. steering guard, diff guards, mantec sliders, some recovery stuff, etc.) now. My eye just keeps going to that tailpipe: Stickin' out like a sore thumb, just cruisin' for a bruisin'.
I'm trying to do a little research on this - (and so tired, not getting very far I'm afraid, LOL)Just wondering how some of these systems turned out for some of you? Anything easy we can do in the meantime with that tailpipe?? (until we can wait for the wiped out moneytree to possibly sprout a few more leafs?) Sorry if this is a redundant or stupid question, I've been looking, just not had much luck. So much left to do, hard to decide what's next ....
Thnx in advance - anyone?
Kim |
Steve Cooper (Scrover)
Senior Member
Username: Scrover
Post Number: 435
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:53 am: |
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Kim, take a look at NRP (the Y-pipe and exhaust are seperate):
http://www.onlinemac.com/business/northwestrover/nr00008.htm
http://www.onlinemac.com/business/northwestrover/nr00006.htm
It was the first mod. I did.
I had my truck in the shop last month and I actually got a "hey, nice exhaust" from the mechanics
Steve
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Mike Hippert (Mikeh)
New Member
Username: Mikeh
Post Number: 11
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:25 am: |
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I have a Borla Cat back system. The tip is perfect for not geting crushed, and it sounds good also! |
Kim S (Roverine)
Senior Member
Username: Roverine
Post Number: 447
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:40 pm: |
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Thanks for the links and input! The NRP does look sweet. (LOL, and being me,  I like their claim that it makes less noise than others(?)). Boy O boy, the cost (!) ... Now, how to fertilize the money tree. LOL, I think ours needs "MEGA Mega miracle grow". Of course, something else may come up before we even get to this (I sometimes get the feeling I'm preoccupied with "watering the roses while the house is on fire"  ).
Again, thnx for the input. |
Max Thomason (Lrmax)
Member
Username: Lrmax
Post Number: 210
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:25 pm: |
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Kim,
are you looking for an entire new exhaust system? Our 95 disco nuked the cats and exhaust a while back. Our dealership told us flat out to take it to a muffler shop and have them do the work. It was cheap. The truck doesn't sound any different, but it works now with no issues. That is all we wanted it to do.
If you are looking for a good sound, a Flowmaster Series 40 is a good unit. I've got one on my Series 3 109 and it provided a little bit better performance (rear A LITTLE BIT) and it sound great. I can usually drown out the exhaust and sound system noise of rice burners with it.
FWIW...
Max T. |
Kim S (Roverine)
Senior Member
Username: Roverine
Post Number: 449
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 11:22 pm: |
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Thanks Max,
LOL, I don't have a clue! All I know is that tailpipe bothers me (like I said, maybe a little OCD here, LOL). ... It's not even my truck. ...I've probably just jinxed it for him! (poor man)
Kim
just trying to learn ...
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