By Robert Mann (Oldscout) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 12:04 pm: Edit

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 03:01 pm: Edit

I really like that blue Callaway Freelander.. That thing looks nice.. Wonder how fast it is.

By RVR OVR (Tom) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 06:07 pm: Edit

Take that goofy Kalahari sticker off the $G rig and it at least looks good.

I bet they did it in black because the bumpers would look nice and clean.

Tom

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 08:47 pm: Edit

Goddamn, LRNA embarrasses me! As if the fu**in Freelander wasn't bad enough, they have to go and put a cheesy $afari Garbage DII out there? What a worthless excuse for a truck. I really don't like those trucks anywhere but on the road. I really feel like crap when I think that the same company built my truck. Why use shiny shocks? It makes Rover owners look like a bunch of rich idiots. I'd rather see a dude wearing a LRNA shirt with a plasma cutter showing me the cross-section of those CARS and then some series owners to laugh at the morons drooling over the shiny shocks. Why not show us the prototype Danas they're gonna be throwing under the new trucks? I'm done with Rover...they've lost it. The good ones are built.

Brian
just my opinion, don't want to hear your opinion on my opinion, just maybe your opinion on the SEMA exibit

By Kyle on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 10:09 am: Edit

Brian , the way I figure it is that most people are kinda like fish. You know when you go fishing that you are gonna take some shiny metal lures with you....
I feel the same way. Why is LRNA advertising that freak as their own? You know its got the cheesy shock mounts and sagging springs on it.
Ofcourse maybe they think the "Silly Americans" are digging this damn thing...I wonder what they use in the UK as a show boat....

Kyle

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 10:25 am: Edit

Don't know what the UK is using but, hell even the dealer down the street had a D2 with $G rocksliders on it perched on their rock pile out front. I wouldn't even dare take the Freelander off road but, I would love to get a better look at the Callaway one for street use only.. I'm wondering if they did only body work or if they did a little work under the hood as well.

By MA on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 11:29 am: Edit

The Freelander can handle like a sports car. Did you see the new Motor Trend(SUV of the year compettion). The Freelander got over 60mph through the slalom, it was the fastest one in the competition! Now I know Land Rover didn't intend for that to happen

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 08:41 pm: Edit

I must totally agree with Brian Jackson.

By Steve (Steve2) on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 09:18 pm: Edit

i don't know why i hate that rig so much - i just do! it so makes me not feel good about the product.

steve

By Jim C. on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 12:56 am: Edit

Just curious to know, what roof rack is on that?

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 01:37 am: Edit

It's a Hannibal Rack, manufactured in Southh Africa, I believe. Available for a PREMIUM price here.

http://www.roveraccessories.com/hannibal.htm

Order it from overseas and it'll be real cheap.

Brian

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 01:20 pm: Edit

Hey, so Greg has a contract with LRNA/Ford to do a show truck.

BFD. He's had his stuff on that stand every year. No worse then any other spit and polish show stand except most of them have freak jeeps on 'em.

It's good money if you can get it. Don't be jealous. If you can make a better show truck, go pitch it to LRNA and maybe we can make fun of your shit, someday.

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 02:07 pm: Edit

>"Brian , the way I figure it is that most people are kinda like fish. You know when you go fishing that you are gonna take some shiny metal lures with you...."

well put. Even my local Big O, where I'm about to buy my seventh set of tires, now has a shiny 22" chrome rim prominently displayed with a huge, paper-thin-sidewall, super-armorall-ed, directional Big O street tire mounted. Just what the pimp-daddy needs on his Caddy or Lincoln S U V.

By lynden on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 02:10 pm: Edit

I really don't have a problem w/ it. It's basically just showing people what's out there. Think about it, most people are shocked that we have lifted, locked, or even scratched our disco's these same people couldn't even begin to imagine some of those addons. It's just a show truck after all, and way more competent then most of the show trucks there. We know what the real scoop is because we hang out here and talk a lot. Someone right now is probably buying a j##p over a disco. because of the after market supplies... they don't know their options.

On a total side note, I have a buddy in the office who has a JGC, do you guys remember the argument on jeep board that jeeps are cheaper to mod. Well, I did the spring switch and got 2 in. for $130. My buddy needs to reposition his steering links in order to go the same 2 inch. Plus he'll need all new springs. He still won't have the clearance that I have, he'd need to probably go 4inch to get the clearance at the waist that the disco has now. I think the j**p guys would be shocked to learn that the disco is cheaper and cheaper to mod.
Lynden

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 02:35 pm: Edit

Keith,

I think you have those ridiculously expensive and weak bumpers on your own truck, so I hear where you're coming from, but I'm embarrassed by the truck whether or not I would like the job for the SEMA truck myself! I'd rather stand next to a Skyjacker RockReady Wrangler TJ than that thing. The abilities are increased so little when compared to the price tag, and that's embarrassing. As I said before, it makes me feel like a rich idiot when I go wheeling and all the other guys in the woods (not driving Rovers) start asking me about $afari Garbage. The US aftermarket for Land Rover is a joke. I feel bad for the resellers of some good products that I want (like ARB, Tractech, etc.), but damn I hate giving them business. I like sources for parts that are cheap (Crabtree, BBS) and guys that make quality upgrades for the right price (RTE).

It's like hot rodding...You go down to the pits with a Porsche next to a Vette. $5000 into the Vette and that thing is pulling 9 second quarter miles. To do that with the Porsche, $25,000. Who looks like the rich idiot? I'd rather be behind the Vette. The only way I'd do it in the Porsche is the same way I think is right to do it in Rovers...the smart, resourceful way.

Now, hindsight is 20/20, I'm not saying I made the right choices with my truck, by any means. I am however, glad to say I have nothing from $G on it and when the guys in the Jeep ask how much my suspension cost, I can proudly say, "half a day and $500", to which the rest of the 4x4 club responds, "me too". Not something along the lines of, "originally $3500, but then I needed to replace the shiney shocks at $200/pop, then all the shock mounts broke because they're cheap pieces of shit of poor design, then my springs sagged, and then the bumpstops cracked in half, all of the axle links bent...so overall, it cost me about $6,000. In fact, only the drive shaft (which they snagged at the AC Delco counter for a Blazer) they sent me is still working."

That show truck to me epitomizes exactly what I don't like in the Rover community and what gives us a bad name in the 4 wheeling world in New England. No sir, I don't like it. It's Garbage, not nearly worthy of any $afari.

Brian
(Not happy that ARB is our least expensive HD bumper/bull bar option, but at least it's the most respected name in the bullbar industry! For most every other 4x4 the ARB is the highe$t option. Glad to sport names like Optima, Warn, Maxi-drive, Tractech, Rovertym, Rancho, BFGoodrich...good companies with fair pricing for everyone, not just praying upon rich idiots.)

as previously stated, just above, "just my opinion, don't want to hear your opinion on my opinion, just maybe your opinion on the SEMA exhibit"

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 02:53 pm: Edit

""you have those ridiculously expensive and weak bumpers on your own truck""

LOL

Yep, sure do ! Bought 'em before the current crop of LR aftermarket vendors even existed (except ARB, yech...).

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 02:54 pm: Edit

Lynden,

It does nothing of the sort. What's out there is alot more than $G has to offer. Look at the guys in Australia, look at www.Rovertym.com, call Great Basin Rovers. Better yet pick up a British or Aussie mag and read that...that's what's out there.

As to Jeep and Rover. Don't think for one second that your truck wouldn't get it's ass kicked all over a trail by a Jeep with the same money into it. Your strength is endurance. You'll do the same trail over and over and over. You don't drive a Jeep across the desert do you? No. You also don't drive a Rover in the ARCA National Finals. No Comparo. Jeeps are much cheaper to upgrade and can be upgraded way further.

If you want to argue that a Rover with at least one locker, mud tires, and OME shocks and springs is better than a JGC with the same money into it...fine. But once you pass that 1-2" lift barrier, it's over. Jeep always wins in the short, extreme. But we go home and back and all over the world and not behind behind a Powerstroke or Duramax.

Brian Jackson

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 02:56 pm: Edit

Keith,
Not an insult to you, just the bumpers...ARB is the clear choice in my mind when compared to $G, but our tastes obviously differ. :-)

Brian

By lynden on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 04:19 pm: Edit

I think I was looking at it differently. I can see your distain for $G, they're prices are amazingly high and I've heard few good words on their products. I think I was just saying I like that they are exposing the fact that there are aftermarket vendor's for Rover's... not that $G is the best or even good. It'll at least make people do some research and find out that, "hey I can lift and lock my rover... I don't have to buy a j**p for that." That's all I was saying. I took your comments as a commentary on the whole "show truck" thing and not just $G. I get where you're coming from.

I also agree on the jeep thing. Sure to go w/ anything over 3 inches we're going to spend WAY more than a jeeper but to get a very competent trail rig I think the prices are pretty equal. That's always been the knock on Rover's... too expensive for what they do. I'm just very happy that there is an aftermarket for these trucks. I used to have a Mustang and loved all the crap you could get. I now have a Contour SVT and am dissapointed that you can't buy shit for aftermarket. It's just comforting to know that Rovertyme and Expedition Exchange are around (John I'll be calling w/in the year for sliders and probably a bumper).

I see your point, mine was a little different I think.
Lynden

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 04:58 pm: Edit

Lynden,

I gotcha. Different points, same side. Wouldn't you rather see a Camel Trophy truck there that was used and had the good stuff on it?..and some brochures to show vendors where to get their supplies for the US market.

Brian

By Kyle on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 05:01 pm: Edit

What I dont get is what the point is. That aint LR talkin , thats a typical $G showboat. How about one with all LR shit on it? I dont see the point at all. A Disco dont come with any of that shit. Some cool shit can be had yes , but none of its there... Makes no damn sense...


Kyle

By lynden on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 05:02 pm: Edit

HELL YEAH!!! I'd like it even better if LRNA wouldn't screw us around and charge outrageous prices!!!
Lynden

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 05:09 pm: Edit

Kyle,

That's the summary of all my thoughts...you strong/silent/to-the-point types just spit that shit out AFTER I spend ten minutes typing!

Lynden,

I hear ya man, but that won't ever happen! I just got back from my dealer looking for some prices. Needed new lock/tab washers and hub/bearing preload nuts. I thought like $1 each...almost $100!!! Six bucks/nut! Damn! I said to the guy, who's a freind of mine, "Rovers North can even do better than that!"

Brian

By Carl Tsigakis (Carlt) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 10:54 pm: Edit

Hi Brian

If I may ask, what do you think of TJM bumpers? Better/worse that ARB???

Carl

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 12:35 am: Edit

IMO, non-airbag ARB is the way to go. TJM is not anything I've seen up close, but they seem to be more for show from there Australian brochure, but again, I haven't seen one. The ARB for the DII is ridiculous unfortunately, being very delicate. I think for a DII the best answer is to wait for the Rovertym, or weld/strengthen an ARB.

Brian

By Carl Tsigakis (Carlt) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 08:36 pm: Edit

Thanks Brian

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 12:06 pm: Edit

so there i was at sema... looking and looking...
and i spot that black thing with the tent on top.
i walk up there. look around, and to see what LRNA knew, i ask a couple questions to the lady that was there wearing an LRNA badge....

"hi miss, this paint job is new for 2003 or something? looks awfully dull..."
she replies, "i think it's a new paint job yes. but i am not sure"

then i ask again "what kind of tires are those? those aren't the regular type are they?"
she replies "hmmm... those are the off-road tires...but i am not sure"

then i just couldn't ask anymore and said "thanks for the help"

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 12:17 pm: Edit

Miss LRNA booth lady was probably running Keno at the Hilton the night before...

She probably got hired for the booth because her cup size was C+ and she could say at least 3 words together without giggling.

It's a shame they put those girls in safari garb...

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 12:32 pm: Edit

Ho, was she a C+?

By michel on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 12:58 pm: Edit

I guess it's because it's only SEMA. LR did the absolute minimum to be there. At the real car show, they put on a very good booth. Since SEMA is for poseurs and pimped out cramp, LR should really not be there at all anyway.

Michel

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 01:05 pm: Edit

C+?
LOL
i dont' remember, the kalahri sticker got more of my attention than anything else.

By gp (Garrett) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 01:09 pm: Edit

don't remember my ass!!! LOL. that's funny.......no really......that's funny.

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 01:36 pm: Edit

Garrett, if she was worthy, I'm sure Ho would have a picture

Or maybe he was indeed preoccupied with the "off-road tires", swanky Kalahari graphics, and "new for 2003" flat black powder coat paint. LOL. Send in someone who knows their ass from a hole in the ground, LRNA!!!

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 01:46 pm: Edit

hmm... you know, i remember she had a beautiful smile.... that's about it...
cmon man, i dont' go to sema for the C cups!!

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 01:47 pm: Edit

Ho was only looking for the Ds and up..

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 01:53 pm: Edit

DAMN!!!
i can't win here with you guys.

By gp (Garrett) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 02:20 pm: Edit

blue~ maybe he didn't have that handy bag with him at the time for proper placement like in the other pic??!!! i'm certain a lunch bag would have sufficed. the extra large michelin bag was a little overkill.

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 02:45 pm: Edit

double damn

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 02:52 pm: Edit

yeah, i give up.
now, speaking of vegas, i see you are planning something there....

dont' forget your lunchbag. LOL

By gp (Garrett) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 02:59 pm: Edit

you mean garbage bag!!! no brown baggin' it here Ho.

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 03:03 pm: Edit

ok, you win.
damn.
i give up.

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 03:38 pm: Edit

By gp (Garrett) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 04:11 pm: Edit

oh man. that's the pic. bag placement is key......very key.
his composure is absolutely stellar. not sure how the man does it. just don't.

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 04:26 pm: Edit

not fair....

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 04:30 pm: Edit

I guess I should be careful with what I post about Ho...

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 04:33 pm: Edit

good one jeff.
now you all

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 04:41 pm: Edit

I tease because I care...

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 05:30 pm: Edit

yes,

By Slider on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 08:37 am: Edit

HO...what are you hiding behind that bag man???

By Moe on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 10:28 am: Edit

What is he hiding behind that smile?

By Tony (Gremlin) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 10:42 am: Edit

Okay, How the heck do you guys put in the animated pics? And can they be put into Microsoft word documents?

By gp (Garrett) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 12:45 pm: Edit

if you are referring to the 'clipart' there is a slew of it under images, attachments and clipart in the formatting section. then just follow the directions on how to insert it in your follow up. use the practice area to make sure you are doing it correctly.
if you are talking about the pic of Ho and the ladies.......how the heck did you know it was animated??? i didn't see anything move!! hehe maybe you have the version without the bag in place.

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:16 pm: Edit

I was just lurking around in this post and can't resist the temptation on joining in the fun. I think I know what's behind that smile in Ho's pic. If you notice the nice lady's hand on the right side of your screen is on Ho's left shoulder. Now the other girl's hand however is causing that smile that Ho's got!

...hence the bag in the front!

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:20 pm: Edit

And all along I thought she was lifting his wallet!

By John Cinquegrana (John_C) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:20 pm: Edit

I don't know Glenn, I think he's happy because of the location of HIS left shoulder...and I think the blonde is thinking "Is that your elbow on my twins???" Go Ho!!!! You the man!!!!

By John Cinquegrana (John_C) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:22 pm: Edit

Oh she's lifting alright...it's just not the wallet!

By JC on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:50 pm: Edit

I think there needs to be a Discoweb caption contest for that photo

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 04:02 pm: Edit

"Wow, Michelin makes condoms too."

By gp (Garrett) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 04:12 pm: Edit

How about this one. Sorry Ho.......

Just in a sound clip mood i guess.

supposetobe supposed_to_be.wav (20 k)

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 04:35 pm: Edit

By Bill Leek on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 05:17 pm: Edit

Just like a Disco II: you have to install your own the CDL lever.

By gp (Garrett) on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 05:33 pm: Edit

now Ho is certain going to send me to the 'other' kind of clubs in Vegas for being a shithead. i'm screwed.

By gp (Garrett) on Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 04:27 pm: Edit

Ho i am sorry.....this was the one i was trying to post there big guy!!1

huge huge.wav (42 k)

By AL on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 09:05 am: Edit

LR voided my warranty because of the OME 2" lift,
but they deside to advertise $G as one of their own. Wonder if they have warranty for the DULL rig?
Fords marketing director shouldve got canned with the Nassar dude.
What are they trying to accomplish?
"You can have this truck but NO WARRANTY".
Nice pictures HO, do u have the # for the girl on your right?
What a hotty.
Get her to pose for discoweb ill chip in,lol.