By ERIK on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 09:49 pm: Edit

MAYBE DOWN THE PINE BARRONS OR ANY WHERE ELSE LOCAL?

By SOLO on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 11:42 am: Edit

When and where were you planning on going. Do you know of any local trails?

By Joshua Bova (Jbova) on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 05:51 am: Edit

Where you at ERIK? I am in Eastern Monmouth County, about 500 yds from Schneider and Nelson (Land Rover Dealer) I work down in Lakewood / Brick. Drop me a line.

-josh

By erik on Thursday, June 21, 2001 - 03:49 pm: Edit

josh

i'm located @ exit 117 of the parkway.

erik

By William L. Ozzie Osterman on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 04:45 am: Edit

Josh & Erik-
Hi guys, I saw your notes and wanted to find out if you'd like another Disco to join you on an outting. I have a '95 Disco and live in South Jersey. I don't have anyone to play with and I don't know where to go for fun. If you'd like an extra Disco to join, please give me a response..

-Ozzie

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 06:47 am: Edit

Hey if you guys go on a trip to the barrens, please give me a holler! I'm in North Jersey, Bergen County area exit 162 off the GSParkway(home of the infamous Bada-Bing club). I think Axel is from Jersey as well. Saw his truck with the Jersey plates in the photogallery.

By John C. on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 07:35 am: Edit

Hey Glenn, I don't own a Disco but I do have a RR. I just moved to Rockland County (Tappan) and plan on making a trip up to CT or Wurtsboro. We usually go up with a group of other LR owners. Let me know if you'd like to come along.

Later.

John

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 09:24 am: Edit

Hey there John! Nice to hear from a fellow Rover enthusiast from my area. How often do you go? I have to tell you that my Disco is bone stock. Although I've been to a few offroad events (usually dealer stuff and dirt tracks that atv and dirt bike people use) I haven't been to any hard core stuff like most of the pics in Discoweb. Anyway, I guess you gotta start somewhere. Let me know when you guys plan to go, I might be able to join you. Thanks a lot!

By John C. on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 10:27 am: Edit

Glenn, we try to go once or twice a month. I haven't been out since May (Pine Barrens), moving has taken up alot of my time.

Most of the trails we do are mild to hard. You shouldn't have a problem with a stock Disco, plus there is always a "go-around".

Here's a link to some of my pics:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292703847

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292890737

By local club on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 09:37 am: Edit

Don't forget about R.O.V.E.R.S.! Go to wwwDOTroversclubDOTcom.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 03:53 am: Edit

Hi all, (Aug 11, 2001)
How's about we meet at the pine barrens (Wharton State Park) some time soon? Plenty of flat boring roads, but there are also plenty of death-puddles to negotiate and a small but steep hill. Expect to get dirty - bring waders. Stock LRs would be absolutely fine, although I did swamp my air filter once and stall (lack of water experience).

I have been there a few times only, but I would recommend waiting for the next tropical storm to hit us a few days earlier.

Personally I prefer Saturdays, but Sundays fine too.

Here's a link to the last time I was there:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/disco2owners/files/Deans%20Folder/swampin.jpg

Dean
Somerset, NJ

By Carl E. Cederholm on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 10:26 am: Edit

Hi all,
If there is room for one more stock Disco II, I'd love to join in on a tail ride.
I'm in NY but I don't mind the drive.
Carl

By Kent Westbrook on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 02:27 pm: Edit

Count me in too, if you all pick a time. Also mostly stock.

Kent

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Kent, Carl, Dominick, SOLO, Chris, Axel, anyone else I forgot.

Wow, if we all went on a day run that wold be greeeeeaaaaaaaaat.

Since nobody has offered to lead this trip, perhaps I can. Bear in mind that my new Disco2 has many scratches all over, although I am pretty sure most are only in the wax. We will almost certainly hit deep mud puddles at least up you your headlights in places, but they are only short. And phew - what a wif they give off!

There is a short hill around 30 degrees we can try, and in the rain it might be a bit difficult. An Isuzu rodeo could get up with enough momentum, but the disco was way cool (stop at steepest point, have a look around, continue on, etc).

Most of the trails are completely flat, so be warned its nothing too amazing. But the area is very natural and fun. Bring insect repellent!

We could set a weekend (one day is enough) for late August or September. Please let us know when is good for you.

It might be a good idea to bring a tarp of some kind if its been raining recently, to throw over the front. This weekend would be good (plenty of water), but I think it will be too early for some.

Dean (Stock D2 + snork)

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 03:04 pm: Edit

Ps If its raining, you won't get scratched! The bushes are too slippery.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 03:05 pm: Edit

One more thing, make sure your email address (in blue) works.

By SOLO on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 02:38 am: Edit

Dean

Sept 8,9,22,23,29,30 and any Sat or Sun in Oct and Nov is fine just let me know.

Mud up to the headlights....well now I have an excuse to go out and get a hitch mounted recovery ring any one know where I can get one cheap.

SOLO

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 03:21 am: Edit

Dean

Count me in too... 99SD bone stock! Hey I tried to follow the link you have above to Disco2 yahoo groups but I guess it's members only. Anyway, weekends would be very good for me and I am in North Jersey (Bergen County). I would need directions though, or if someone is coming from the north jersey area, please let me know, we probably could convoy. Thanks!

Glenn

By Carl E.Cederholm on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 04:14 am: Edit

Dean and Co,
This sounds like a blast, Sept/Oct weekends work for me. After picking a date, directions would be helpfull. (I've never been to Pine Barrens)

Glenn, Yes Disco2 groups is for members, but it only takes a moment to become a member. Consider joining, you'll be glad you did! Great group!

Carl
99 DII (stock w/ACE)

By Kent Westbrook (Kentwestbrook) on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 04:20 am: Edit

Dean and Everybody,

Only weekends not available for me (as far as my wife has told me anyway) are Labor Day weekend and first weekend in October, when I'm going to the MAR in Va.

Kent

By Dominick Petrosino (Dominick) on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 02:20 pm: Edit

All,

Count me in. I'm sure I will wuss out on some stuff, but I would love to join you. I've got a couple of friends that would love to join us as well.

I perfer mid/late September

Dom

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 05:29 pm: Edit

Guys -
This is great. Lets say one of the weekends in September. SOLO - are you sure you can't make 1/2 Sept, or 15/16 (0ne day only really)?

I spent a couple of hours yesterday plotting a course, which I have done partially, but some I have never seen, so I don't know what to expect.

Directions are (on the grand scale):
Take the Turnpike south to exit 7A (or is it 7?) which is route 206 south. Then go south for half an hour and across route 70, and a bit more, then towards Tabernacle. About 75 mins from New Brusnwick, if you know the area. (or 3 hours in late sat morning traffic, so if its saturday, lets hit the turnpike by 9.30-10am.

Anyone near me could meet locally - land rover convoys look really cool! Othersise, we could meet at the junction between 206 and 70 (a circle).

Anyone else with date limitations please let me know ASAP.

Dean

By Carl E. Cederholm on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 05:14 am: Edit

All
This will be great! When the time comes, anyone coming from NYC/Brooklyn area who wants to convoy, give me a shout!
Carl

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 05:40 am: Edit

Carl/All,

I'm in Bergen County, NJ so count me in on that convoy. When we do have a date, how about we all meet up at a rest area in the turnpike maybe the one right after the 13A (Ikea) exit. I think it's somewhere between exit 12 and 11. By the way, I'm not free on September 15th (Saturday). Everything else is still good at this point. Later!

Glenn

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 08:08 am: Edit

Hi All,
How does September 8th sound? That's a saturday, which for me is good since I can't bear to get back to work the next day after a trip like this!

Carl - that's a good idea to meet in the turnpike rest area, that might be a plan.

If anyone else has a GPS, please bring it, as I don't want to rely solely on my one in case it dies. Since there are supposedly 500 miles of track in the forrest and I have never seen a single road sign (despite the roads all having names on my map) this is crucial.

The ranger's station in the forrest sells USGA maps at $4 a go, if anyone wants to buy some. I have four taped together, with GPS scales drawn on top for navigation.

If its raining this is no problem with me (quite the opposite), since the scratches will be less. Be sure to warn everyone that scratches are a distinct possibility. Waders are available in KMart at $30/$40 for thigh/chest highs.

If you plan to go through the deep puddles (with me) you must make sure you have a towing point front or back (if you have a receiver hitch, make sure you have a pin for it if nothing else, (Pep Boys)).

Later,

Dean

By SOLO on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 03:29 am: Edit

Hey Guys

Sept 8 works for me. I'll bring a compass, and pruners to take care of the more nasty pin stripe makers. Which park entrance will we be using?

For the guys in Somerset County do you want to meet somewhere local first and then meet up with the rest?

SOLO

By Carl E. Cederholm on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 05:03 am: Edit

Dean and Memebers of the Pine Barrons Adventure Society,

Sept 8 sounds good to me, and meeting at the Turnpike rest stop is a good plan.
I'm looking foward to it.

Carl

By Greenpiece on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 05:24 am: Edit

Guys, wouldn't it be better to discuss this offline? Is it such a good idea to let other people know when and what time you guys are going? Not against it, just watching your backs.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 07:47 am: Edit

Greenpiece - are you kidding? Who's going to mess with a convoy of 10 land rovers?

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 08:00 am: Edit

You'd be surprised..... The Forest Rangers for one thing if you make a wrong turn somewhere.. And you do know that there is a 9pm curfew in the Barrens, right? $70 ticket if you don't make it off public land on time. Don't ask me how I know that...

By Carl E. Cederholm on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 08:46 am: Edit

All,
What are the rules of the land for this place anyway?
How much bail money will I need to bring?

Carl

By Kent Westbrook (Kentwestbrook) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 11:50 am: Edit

Far as I know Sept. 8th is OK for me too. May have to meet everybody down there since the exit I'm closest to is exit 7. What's the general time everybody will get to the Barrens, and where will you start so I don't miss the fun?

Kent

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 03:35 pm: Edit

I have driven all day over there without seeing a single other car, although the major sand roads do indeed have a ranger occasionally. If we start early I think we would be done by dark, so I am not concerned with the curfew. The rangers I have spoken to have been very nice guys / girls, and encourage off-roading (but not off their tracks).
They even sell maps for you to explore the place!

Saturday 8th Sept it is then.


Dean

By Dominick Petrosino (Dominick) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 05:38 am: Edit

Dean,
Sounds good to me too!! we should meet locally and I will follow you to the rest stop.

Dom

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 03:59 am: Edit

Carl and all,

The rules are: Maximum 20 people in a group. No mention of max car count. But, if you write to the super, which I have, he might let you take more. So, please if you want to come try not to bring 12 kids along (not until I get a reply, if I get one).

I'd like to get a head count over the next few days. I never expected such enthusiasm (or high NJ LR owners).

Anyone near me - perhaps we can meat at the Easton Avenue STOP and SHOP parking lot at 9am? To get there, its exit 10 off the 287, heading Easton Avenue direction. Go along Easton Avenue a few lights and there'e a cinema and Stop and Shop supermarket on the right (just after JFK blvd). Park near the cinema which is usually deserted. If you need further directions, let me know.

After that, we will head down to New Brunswick and route 18 South to the NJ turnpike. We can pop into the turnpike service area on the way down, and pick up anyone there.

Then continue NJ turnpike south to exit 7, route 206 south. After about 30 mins on 206, we should hit a circle at route 70, which is where we can meet anyone else coming. There is (if I remember correctly) a group of diners and small shops there.

Last, we go south (still on 206) a few more miles and take the large left fork (648, Carranza Rd), towards Tabernacle. At the Y there is some space to park, if anyone wants to wait there instead.

We enter the park a few miles from this point.

I will do my very best to get to the route 206/70 junction by 10.30am, but please note the turnpike can be a real b@$^@%! sometimes.

I have a black disco 2, roof-rack + wrap brush bar and (assuming they seem up to it) bigger BFG MT KMs. I will wrap a yellow tow strap around my roof rack.

Ok, lets bail. Let me know please if you are coming. If you can't then I am sure we will do this again soon anyway.

But please remember, its no challenging roads, just an easy drive along sandy roads. Depending on rain there could be a few big mud puddles, that's all. Whoever's got the biggest tires goes in first, as fast as possible, to clear out all the water, ok? But seriously, I think it would be nice to meet all together.

Bring a picnic for lunch.

If we cannot get a permit for more than 20 people, then we'll have to think about what to do to limit this head count.

Later,
Dean

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 04:03 am: Edit

I will bring 2 to 3 people.

Dean

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 04:56 am: Edit

Excellent news - I just got a call from the super at Wharton State Forrest, and got the all-clear to bring as many as we want. All welcome - kids will love it too.

I just scouted the route yesterday, to make sure there are no road closures or other problems.

Here are a few photos to let you know what to expect. Most of the puddles will be scoutable round the side, if you don't like to swim.

Here's one from an earlier trip:


This one too:




Testing the water depth - and no, I didn't drive through this one. The mud in this one was two feet deep suction crap that could never really be driven through (although I'm happy to be proved wrong).


Just one of a few nice areas to stop and see the view. Dead trees in a flooded lake. Spooky!

Remember Sept 8th.

Dean

By John C. on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 05:06 am: Edit

Do you guys mind if I join you? I don't have a Disco, I have a '88 RR. I'm in Rockland county. Let me know, thanks.

John

By Carl E. Cederholm on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 05:09 am: Edit

Dean and all,
Thanks for getting the info Dean. I will be solo, or perhaps with one other person. I have to check a map and figure out what time to leave NY..
Would it be wise to try to meet you at your Stop & Shop, or is this out of the way from NYC.
I'll get a plan together here, and as I said before, anyone is welcome to convoy with me.
I'm in a Kinversand 99 DII, Adventure Rack, brush gaurds, stupid 18" wheels (don't get me started).

It'll be good to meet you guys.
Carl

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 05:10 am: Edit

That's very interesting Dean. Looking forward to the trip. However, (Unfortunately ) I have to be home between 6 and 7 p.m. for a "family affair". What time frame are we looking at? Since I might have to bail out earlier, when you're deep into the trails, is coming back to the main roads "easy" or do you have to back track a whole day's worth of trails? By the way, I'm going with my wife and my 6 year old son in our bone stock disco.

By Carl E. Cederholm on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 05:15 am: Edit

Great photos Dean!
Thanks for the preview.

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 05:15 am: Edit

Okay, this is really getting me excited now . John and Carl, since we're pretty much in the same area, We probably should convoy from the turnpike. Give me some suggestions as far as time and place. Carl are you coming from Manhattan? If you are, maybe the first rest area in the turnpike is a good place to start. (Between exit 18 and 16 - I think) John I think that'll be great for you as well.

Dean, maybe you should post a "roster" of people that are going.

By Carl E, Cederholm on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 05:40 am: Edit

Glen,
I'm in Brooklyn hights. My plan was to cross Staten Island but I could use the Holland from the city...It's about the same to me.
Glen, John and anyone else from here, feel free to email me off line to work out the details.
...I think my wife might join us, now I'm in trouble!

By Carl E. Cederholm on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 05:55 am: Edit

Question!
I have a CB radio, not installed, and I'm not sure if it works, "but it wouldn't take much to find out".
Would it be worth playing with for this trip? Do the rest of you have one?

I've never played with one before, but it seem's like it could be fun to have.
Thoughts?
Thanks
Carl

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 06:11 am: Edit

Carl,

I don't have a CB but I have a talkabout (Motorolla). As long as the other unit is within 2 mile range it should be able to communicate. So if anybody in this trip has one, maybe we should use them. John, please contact Carl and myself about the convoy. Also, anyone from our area (North Jersey, NY) that wants to convoy, please email us.

Glenn

By Kent Westbrook on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 07:43 am: Edit

Hey Dean,

Is that a pic of you in the water with the waders on? How do you keep the inside of your Disco clean after you make one of those mud-inspections? You realize, of course, that since you have the waders, and you're the leader of this expedition (especially since you have the new mud tires), that you get to inspect all the mud puddles!!

I'm really looking forward to this. I think what I'll do is meet the convoy at the 206/70 junction at around 10:30, per your earlier post. I also have to be back home early. Will there be maps of the area available where we "put in"? I couldn't tell from your post, but is that Tabernacle location anywhere close to the Atsion Ranger's office?

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 08:06 am: Edit

Guys,
I will post a 'Roster' (good idea Glenn) in the same directory as this thread. Please put your name and where you want to meet up there.

Kent - Yes that's me in the mud. I put the waders on my roof rack after wading.

John - of course RRs are welcome! But trying to keep it to Land Rover makes if possible, but no worries if a few friends come along in other makes.

Carl - coming from NY if you're on the turnpike you probably want to meet us at the service station on that road. There are two - one between exit 9 and 8A, and one between 7A and 7 (I think, close anyway). We will of course pop in to see both service stations.

Kent again - maps as far as I know are only in the Atsion Rangers station, which is about 10 miles south of where we turn off east. But we come out at the ranger's station at the end of the trip, and its open till 9pm on saturdays if you need to buy maps afterward.

Glenn - If you have to escape early, we can set you up on a road to take you out no problem.

Fill in the Roster please,

Dean

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 08:22 am: Edit

Anyone going down the turnpike: You may know this road is always backed up, so we need to know who will be where?

Lets plan for the following:

Stop and Shop @ 9am
Turnpike service are between 9 and 8A: 9.30am
Turnpike service are between 7A and 7: 10am
206/70 10.30am
206/Carranza Road 10.40am

These are VERY VERY optimistic time, so unless we know exactly who will be where, we may miss you.

Fill in the roster please,
Dean

Ps if anyone breaks down: We will get a GPS position of your car, continue on with the journey, and then after finished (about 6pm) anyone who feels up to it can come back and tow you out / help out. Expect myself to be most likely to be towed, since Kent has kindly assigned the puddle-testing job to me! (LOL)

Dean

By Kent Westbrook (Kentwestbrook) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 09:13 am: Edit

Dean and group,

I can't help with breakdowns of the mechanical sort, but I do have a winch. So, if getting pulled out is all someone needs I should be able to help with that. Keep in mind I've never winched another vehicle before, only myself twice, but I'm sure it's doable. As the designated puddle-tester, Dean can do any necessary underwater hookups to trailer hitches!! ;^)

Kent

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 09:37 am: Edit

lol... Dean, I think you'll also need to bring some snorkel gear if Kent is volunteering you for underwater hookups.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 09:45 am: Edit

I love the smell of 20 year old swamp water in the mornin' - oh yeah!

And on a just as serious a note - is it just me or does anyone else love the smell of axle oil?

By Carl E. Cederholm on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 09:59 am: Edit

It's not just you.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Friday, August 31, 2001 - 02:57 am: Edit

I got a CB yesterday. So if anyone else has one please bring it. I will, of course, need lingo training. 10-4?

By Kyle Beckman on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 09:51 am: Edit

Guys,

If you're looking for another member for you trek, I'm game. I've got a stock 2000 DII with a brush guard, nothing fancy. I would be coming from Belle Mead, NJ, so I can meet up at the Stop -n- Shop.

Kyle

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 01:40 pm: Edit

Kyle - excellent. Sign up on the roster and lets boogie this weekend.

Dean

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 06:22 am: Edit

Kent,

Perhaps you can give us a demo of the winch, since I (at least) have never seen one work. I have a hand winch (black rat type). We could have an equipment-break at some point to see what we have all collected over the years.

Dean

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Wednesday, September 05, 2001 - 02:55 pm: Edit

If we manage to get out early, we can always cross over route 206 into the other side of the park, and try our luck at Swamp Road, which is supposedly one of the most difficult muddy stretches. Its right adjacent to a tract of swamp. It will be only a few miles south of where we currently plan to finish. I will need to buy a map in the ranger's station at that point. There is even a trail called J**P Trail that I think we should definitely rename.


Just an idea.

Dean