By DiscoFever on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 02:44 pm: Edit

Is that a GLOCK on your waste. Checking out the PICS, and it looks like you are armed. Thats pretty cool, armed at night while offroading, and airing up the tyres on a F-?? series Land Bruiser...Just kidding, guess I should get back to work..

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 03:11 pm: Edit

That's my trusty H&K USP 40, and I'm airing up a '69 FJ40. Spent some time trying to devise an underdash holster setup, but there's not enough room down there - besides, stuffing it between seat and console is a hell of a lot easier.

By mrbieler on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 03:13 pm: Edit

Saw the pics and then remembered you are in AZ.

First time I visited my folks in Phoenix and saw a guy on a Harley pull up next to me at a light with a .45 Government on his hip was rather interesting...

Here in CA, they don't let us play with pointy things....

Jeff

By DiscoFever on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 03:16 pm: Edit

Yeah, it was kinda strange seeing it. I truly support "Fight Crime, Shoot back", Think of the punishment I'd receive if I tried to stuff it between the seat and console here in the Nations Capital.....

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 03:33 pm: Edit

The People's Republic of California only lets the criminals play with guns. Washington D.C.? Let's not even go there...unless we have bad crack, coke, and call-girl habits, and we have political aspirations...

"United States" don't always seem so united...

By Eric N on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 03:36 pm: Edit

DiscoFever, you can always move to VA then it wouldn't be that big of an issue. Well at least if you had a concealed carry permit. $75 for the class and $50 for the Fairfax County permit and you can walk around with a concealed gun in VA all you want. Or you can leave it out in plain view and you don't need the permit. They really need to change the D.C. gun laws... Telling people they can't have them doesn't work very well unless of course you are the criminal going to rob someone then it's a great feeling to know that they can't shoot back. Why they made those laws I'll never know.

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 06:00 pm: Edit

bleeding heart liberal democrat: "Guns have a mind of their own. Guns have evil thoughts. We must outlaw guns so they'll magically disappear and we'll all be safe."

criminal: "If I could, I'd vote for you, you dipshit."

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 06:08 pm: Edit

LOL!!!

By Eric N on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 06:18 pm: Edit

You being sarcastic Bluegill? Don't put me in with the Democratic Liberal pukes. I like guns.. I have quite a few of them. I was just making the point that most of the shootings around here wouldn't happen if the people doing the shooting were worried about getting shot themselves..

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 06:33 pm: Edit

Whoa, Eric - my post wasn't in response to yours at all...just being a general, all-around smart ass. I completely agree with all of your points. I have cc permits in AZ & FL. HK is too big to conceal, that's what the Sig is for...

Of course, there's always my 9 to 5 briefcase:

By Eric N on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 06:46 pm: Edit

H&K HQ is a 25 minute ride from my house. I went there once with a friend of mine and a guy that he knew that worked there. He let us play with all the toys. The MP5SD made less noise then a BB gun. Makes my USC45 seem like crap now that I got to play with all the real toys that I'm not allowed to have. Damn the tree huggers and their crappy laws..

By mrbieler on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 06:48 pm: Edit

Seeing as this is a LR/British forum, I will say that my favorite toy to shoot has been, and probably will always be, the Bren gun...

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 07:12 pm: Edit

This is the setup that Land Rover should offer:

By Eric N on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 07:22 pm: Edit

That would be great for rush hour traffic around here...

By Peanut on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 07:40 pm: Edit

no! no! no! he's not packing a glock. get your eyes checked, that's a pack of Planters Salted Peanuts. Look closely and you'll see 'em.

By Peanut on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 07:42 pm: Edit

By Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 11:38 pm: Edit

I say, let the hardware match the game:

For those annoying rednecks on 4-wheelers, I use a P229 in .357 SIG (Blue Gill, I think you'll be pleased if you can swap your .40 barrel for a .357). Of course, you could just use a high-powered rifle, but where's the sport in that? I prefer to sneak up to them in my Disco and pop 'em with a hand gun.

For larger vehicles, say a Jeep Grand Cherokee, that Bren would be a good choice, especially in .308. You just turn that unibody construction into Swiss cheese.

For the big guys (Winnebagos, Semis, Tank trucks, etc.) I prefer something along the lines of a Lahti 20 mm anti-tank rifle. Now some people would go for, say, a .50 BMG M2. But that's kind of like the difference between buckshot and a .300 Win Mag -- your liable to just wound your prey and they'll run on for miles and may get away.

Just my 2 cents.

---Norm

By bill on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 11:46 pm: Edit

ok

By mrbieler on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 12:02 am: Edit

I'm with you on most things, but think the Bren should stay in .303.

I guess I'm just a traditionalist....

Jeff

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 10:12 am: Edit

http://www.occontras.com/mutha.jpg


my browser wont let me upload a picture, so check out the link.

rd

By John Lee on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 12:25 pm: Edit

Jeff, if you're into tradition, the BREN should be 8x57mm Mauser. That was the original caliber. It was the Brits who converted the ZB into .303 before they converted it to .308.

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Norm, wouldn't trade my USP40 barrel for anything - just like my Disco. For me, it is the perfect caliber. Also have HK USP9 (9mm), HK P7M8, pre-ban P7M13, and a nickel-plated P7M10. I'm waiting for Santa to bring me a USP45 Compact!

I use my concealable Sig P230 (.380) for walking around town, and the USP40 for off-the-beaten-path. Sometimes the Ruger Mini-14 with the 30-round mags likes to come out and play in the desert, too.

Of course, there's always my super-secret bag of Planter's Salted Peanuts that I whip out in a pinch.

Eric, I'm jealous that you're located so close to Sterling. Never been there myself, but my father has taken several HK courses (certified MP5 instructor), and he helped Ollie North test some of his personal protective equipment there a few years ago. H&K is definitely the best BANG x BANG x FAR...

By DiscoFever on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 12:52 pm: Edit

Bluegill,
I didn't think this message would generate so much discussion...
What are some prices for the above mentioned BANG X BANGS...(the HK USP9)
Is there a website for HK before I do a web search?
I'm in MD, so I can check the local "hardware" store for stock.

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 12:58 pm: Edit

http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/

I bought one of the first civilian USPs available back in summer '94 - ran about a grand back then. Now, USPs are down in the $600 range (depending on caliber, full-size, compact, stainless slide, etc.)

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 01:00 pm: Edit

P.S. this discussion is a bit off-topic for DiscoWeb - go ahead and email me off-line if you want. Sorry for all the gun talk, everyone...and I can't explain the odd peanut tangent...

By mrbieler on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 01:01 pm: Edit

Only if you want to really nit-pic. The BREN is a decendent of the ZB26/ZB30/ZB33, but it's not just a recalibured weapon. It was a collaborative effort from the Brno and Enfield factories to develope a weapon for British use.

The converion of .303 (7.696 mm) to NATO .308 (7.62mm) was a recalibration, not re-developement.

And if you really want to get picky, its 7.92x57(8mm Mauser), not 8x57.

By Milan on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 03:30 pm: Edit

Being from CZ, I like Brno guns (both short and long) and think a Bren 10 would be nice to carry off-road (so would a .50 Desert Eagle - good for bears, hehehe). I believe the Bren10 was used by Don Johnson in Miami Vice series. It was a 10mm based on a CZ75.

By Eric N on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 03:48 pm: Edit

If you want to hunt bears from a mile away you need to get an Armalite AR-50... Only draw back is it is single shot, heavy and you may only find pieces of the bear.. But, its perfect if you want to shoot through an engine block and still hit the target. www.armalite.com

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 03:54 pm: Edit

Bill , it dont matter , talk guns all you want. I keep an old .45 close at hand myself....


Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 04:00 pm: Edit

You guys should check out Art's Guns and Rovers site.

Ron

Nothing like a 10 gauge

By joe cole on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 04:04 pm: Edit

Hey what happened to the other Mr. Peanut pictures? I haven't laughed that hard in months!

By Joe Cole on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 04:09 pm: Edit

Sorry, jusr realized they were under the "Lug Nut "posting.

By goomba on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 04:39 pm: Edit

why does everybody know so much about guns? you all must be from the west or midwest, cuz up here in the northeast we DONT CARRY THEM!

By Ron on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 04:42 pm: Edit

Oh ya,

You been to west philly?

Ron

By goomba on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 06:06 pm: Edit

no

By mrbieler on Thursday, May 03, 2001 - 06:25 pm: Edit

Hey goomba,

Maybe you need to look up the locations of S&W, Colt, and Sig. Last time I checked, MA, CT, and NH are all located in the Northeast.

By John Lee on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 01:07 pm: Edit

Mrbieler, the word BREN is indeed an amalgam of BRno and ENfield, but as far AFAIK, the development of the BREN light machinegun for British use was completely by Enfield. Not sure though.

Bluegill, we've got to get together for some HK fun some day. I'm a fellow HK junkie as well (two P7M8's, P7K3, EFL, USP9C, HK43, HK91, HK630, HK770, three Super 90's). Can't own the good stuff in Kalifornia, though. Have you ever been to Truckhaven? It's near Indio in California. It's a free fire zone and there's great wheeling there. It's where CORVA holds its annual poker run. Great place for Guns & Rovers. Also, have you considered joining the HK mailing list?

By Jon on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:18 pm: Edit

While we're talking about guns, I'm proud to own two modern handguns; a Beretta 92D, and a S&W 1076. I'm licensed to carry, but rarely do because I think it's an invitation to trouble. I do keep one or the other in my vehicle most times, though. Other than them, I collect rifles and pistols, most of which have been in my family since the Colonial days here in Virginia, including a couple flint-lock rifles and pistols that date back to when Williamsburg was the colonial capital of VA. And they all work perfectly. ...not that any of that matters, I just thought I'd throw it in :-)

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:22 pm: Edit

hold on to your vintage stuff - that's a real piece of America that's on it's way out...hell, at the rate the gov't is going, you better keep a firm grip on your modern stuff, too.

By Cosmo on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:23 pm: Edit

This looks like something Timothy McVeigh would write...

Where's the war fellas?

You guys live in the middle of nowhere where nothing happens (no crime) and you are all carrying.

What would happen if you lived in NYC or LA? You probably would drive tanks.

Why don't you do some of us a favor, go buy a Jeep to carry your guns and go blow off your cousins head because he's the one doing your wives....

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:26 pm: Edit

so phx is the middle of nowhere? get your head out of your ass, Mr. anonymous.

By Bang on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:28 pm: Edit

The war is in West Philly

By Mr. Cosmo on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:33 pm: Edit

Hold on a second...I did not mean to insult Phx. I've never been there but I've heard it's a great city.

What I meant was that PHX probably doesn't have the problems we have in LA or NYC or Philly.

I DID mean everything else

By John Lee on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:43 pm: Edit

Bluegill, I got your email and replied, but it bounced back twice, so I'm responding here.

To join the HK mailing list, check out: http://www.hkpro.com/ and scroll down to the bottom of the page, below the pics of the three founders of HK. There's a link there with instructions for subscribing.

Hope to see you on the HK List soon.

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:48 pm: Edit

1999 population numbers:
LA & surrounding metro = 16 million
NCY = 8.7 million
Philly = 5 million
Phx = 3 million

2000 census #s not out yet, but I THINK Phx is the now the 6th largest US city.

Trust me, we got crime - LA is 5 hours west, and Mexico is zero hours south.

And I do drive a tank - it's white with alpine windows.

If you *DO* mean what you implied with your references to that sick fuck Mcveigh (hang him high), screwin cousins, and worst of all - driving jeeps, then fuck you. If not, then you're merely misinformed...you decide.

By Cosmo on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 03:02 pm: Edit

See you're wrong. NYC has 9 million habitants if you count the undocumented and the homeless...

And what's wrong with doing your cousin...my cousin is a good looking girl...she has more facial hair than...what's that guys name on Hollywood Squares? well you know who....

"..and worst of all - driving jeeps.." ahhh, you've offended me....I will not forgive you for this....may Allah curse you a million times...oh wait, you own a LR right? Ok, you've been cursed enough.

Hey guys, relax and enjoy the weekend...just don't shoot off your foots or any privates, ok?

Honestly, we could use some guns to get rid of the scum that's roaming around our neighborhoods. As much as I hate guns sometimes I wish I had one at the right place and moment..

Be good guys...signing off.

By Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 04:14 pm: Edit

Cosmo, you've got it backwards -- there's no street crime here in the hinterlands BECAUSE we're all packing heat. Here in Arkansas, there are literally more guns than people. Consequently, it's one of the safest places to live on the planet (next to Switzerland, which has a population density akin to NYC, but where EVERYBODY of age is issued handguns and automatic weapons by the government -- not to mention mortars, RPGs, etc. etc. etc.).

Let's face it: the population of places like NYC and LA are already way above carrying capacity. What they need are more guns to thin the herd of undesirables.

---Norm

By Eric N on Saturday, May 05, 2001 - 12:31 pm: Edit

I live 15 minutes from D.C. and I'm glad I have guns. You would have to be a fool to live in this area and not have one. I could recount something that happened to a person that I met that turned him into a gun owner if you would like. It would give some tree hugging hippy free love types some thing to think about before they go shooting their mouths off about people that carry guns. Lets see, gun ban = murder capitol of the world..... Oh ya, that worked.. Hey let's get rid of cars because there are too many drunk driving accidents.. Hell, why stop there.. Let's ban child birth and really save the planet... Tree huggers.. Got to love them.. Jesh!!!!!!! As for the Disco breaking down comment by Cosmo (aka tree hugger). I bought my 98 Disco the same time a friend of mine bought his Cheep. Disco needed moon roof rails fixed. His Cheep has had two new rear ends(one at 4k one at 22K miles, new motor( blew up at 18K), and my favorite he needed a new trans at 19K. He went out and got a DII two weeks ago and will never go back to Cheep..

By G. W. Bush on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 08:54 pm: Edit

Hey Gil,
Cheaney, and I appreaciate your packing abilities...

My Daughter is loving her DiscoII.
When you sumbitches going to wheel out here in the Nation's Capital....

By MTB on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 09:49 pm: Edit

Let us all remember that we don't live in the 50's & 60's anymore where mom is waiting with cookies when you come home from school, and your not passed out or raiding the fridge for munchies. Todays world people will steal your last dime or shoot you for just looking at them wrong. It's a f---up world today. To you Discoing tree huggers do you go mudding without any recovery gear I don't think so. So why go out into this world not packing a gun if you can. I live in PA. part of the NORTHEAST and I carry my gun. Crime can and will happen anywhere & at any time SO BUY YOURSELF A GUN. Plus you never know you could get stuck in the backwoods and a bear may want to rape just because you have a pretty mouth. Just my $.02.

Michael B.
96 Disco Packing a SIG.

By Norm Orschnorschki (Norm) on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 10:21 pm: Edit

Now I didn't mean to insinuate that there are no bad people here in the hinterlands -- I would say parts of Eastern Oklahoma are as dangerous as anything I've experienced in LA, SF or NYC (the difference is, out in the boonies there are no cops OR witnesses). Yes, an unarmed person is just as liable to get raped, robbed and murdered (although not necessarily in that order) here as in some of our more liberal metropolitan areas. The difference is that we can shoot back (or shoot first, as the opportunity may present itself), which is a very strong deterrent to the criminal element (murderers, rapists, robbers, plaintiff's attorneys, etc.).

---Norm

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 12:08 pm: Edit

Any of you ever been confronted with a gun - in the city or deep off-road? Any of you ever had some half-wit assume he can take your little lady for "a ride" and you kain't do nuttin 'bout it? All you anti-gunners would be singing a different tune if you found yourself in uncomfortable positions like these. Or maybe you wouldn't change your views and you'd be content to be victims.

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 12:26 pm: Edit

Im from the Northeast, and I feel somewhat sheltered compared to all of your experiences. Here in CT, there is defintely crime, although thru 25 years of life I have never been in a position where I needed a gun. I also spent some time in Phoenix, Bluegils stomping ground, and not to sound like a pansy, but its scary out there in and around parts of that city. While I was there, I WISHED i had a gun. I came across some rufians out in the desert between Tuscon and Phoenix, apparently i had crossed onto their land (although there were no signs or gates) and they were none to happy bout it. 4 dudes came ripping out out of nowhere in a big 'ol Ford pickup, and each had a shotgun. I almost shit myself. Luckily I was obviously not from the area, nor there to cause any trouble, just slightly lost. They ended up being pretty cool guys who directed us back toward I-10(i think that was it?), but man what a shock. they said they had some problems with meth runners on their property. I agree with the guy from Oklahoma, no witnesses and no cops equals SCARY SHIT. if i wasnt in an urban metropolitan area, i would be packing something. my $.02

By mrbieler on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:20 pm: Edit

Nothing like the sudden realization that someone is in your house at 1AM and the only thing between you, your pregnant wife, and the bad guys is a thin wooden bedroom door and a 15 minute LAPD response time.

Have also had the joy of walking to the kitchen for a midnight snack to find someone trying to jimmy the french doors to our living room.

Been shot at in the desert (San Diego and Hemet) and have been mugged in Tucson. Have also run into many "interesting" people in the back woods and roads while off-roading. Some are real nice. Some are real scary.

In fact, our family has been robbed in almost every neighborhood we've lived in since childhood: Orlando, FL, Kahala, HI, New Canaan, CT, La Jolla, CA, Potomac, MD, Bel Air, MD, Miami, FL, Los Angeles, CA, Phoenix, AZ, and Mont Clare, NJ. And That's a partial listing. All were nice upscale parts of town. The bad guys don't honor zip codes.

There will always be someone wanting to take what's yours and many of them won't care what happens to you in the taking. The police may try to help, but they are not under legal obligation. Besides, policing is a REACTIVE response, not PROACTIVE. They get there AFTER the sh*t has hit the fan. You are solely responsible for your own safe keeping.

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:27 pm: Edit

well said

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:33 pm: Edit

damn, mrbeiler, sounds like you have bad luck? even in New Canaan? I guess, it is somewhat rural and you do have Norwalk and Stamford relatively close. (not that they are bad towns, but much less afluent then New Cannan and with alot more lower income population)While going to college in Providence RI, i was awoken to an unfriendly man rummaging thru my kitchen. Luckily he was a crackhead with very little sense and after a quick punch in the face and my roomates coming to the scene he took off like the roadrunner. At the beginning of this thread, i was thinking "wow, these are some paranoid people", but now I see thats not the case, its more better safe than sorry, Im actually considering a fire arm purchase. The only problwem,I travel to many states including VT, NH, MA, MN, RI, NJ, PA, MD etc.. Is it not illegal to carry weapons over state lines?

By Josh on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 02:33 pm: Edit

As I drove up my street, I noticed that my front door was open just a crack. I kept driving around the block, parked my truck on the street behind my house slipped through the neighbors yard, into my backyard, through the backdoor into the basement. I picked up my 12ga and headed upstairs to find a very surprised intruder who wasn't fast enough to get the gun he was carrying out of his pants, and he is lucky he didn't. He was wanted for murder and is now doing life. If I had gone to the front door I would be dead. Sometimes it is a nice thing to have around.

By willis on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 02:47 pm: Edit

Josh, where was that??

By european on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:03 pm: Edit

you are sick, USA is sick, and all afraid to hear it because you took of my previous message saying just this (good symptoms of american democratic thinking) please buy Jeeps and leave Land Rovers alone they are civilized vehicles built in a civilized country

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:22 pm: Edit

your message was removed because you are an asshole. with any luck it will be removed again.

By mrbieler on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:27 pm: Edit

Hey European,

Is that the same civilized England that just convicted an 18 year old girl for assisting in the gang rape (by pre-teen aged boys) of a 37 year old women?

England is probably the most f**ked up violent country in Europe. They don't use guns. They just bash each other with their fists and feet repeatedly. Try downtown London on a Friday night watching all the white collar guys and gals stumble around drunk, pissing in corners, and getting into fights before their tube/train rides home. If that's civilization, I will pass.

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:41 pm: Edit

That is very true. Talk about scary, on Friday night there are so many damn brits packed on those Tubes it is downright dangerous.I was on the line that runs thru SOHO right befroe they stopped running, people were literally smashed against the windows, one girl got a bloddy nose, a older man got trampled and to top it off some dumb broad puked everywhere. Not the place i want to be. How bout those soccer game riots? hmmm...the epitomy of civility.

By Tsiegwart on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 04:05 pm: Edit

European,

Read a history book. Note the major events of the 20th century. Tell me who's civilized.

Todd, 95 Disco

By Eric N on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 04:22 pm: Edit

european is just mad due to americans having guns are what kept us from being fellow europeans. Wonder how many fatal stabbings and beatings they have in London every year? european must be one of the supporters for the NATO worldwide gun ban. He must really like Chinese food as they will be ruling the world if we all disarm. As for the civilized vehicles comment does he even know that these were originaly built as war vehicles? Hell, you can even get a factory gun box installed at the dealer that is a Land Rover part.. Seems to me like they like guns too. Who knows, if it wasn't for military money that bought most of the first Land Rovers some 53 years ago their might not be Land Rovers. We would all be driving Jeeps or Hummers. I never saw his first comment but, just by reading his second, I would have to say that Gil is right on the money about the guy. I believe that the phrase they use in europe is "Piss off you wanker!!"

By Dad on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:31 pm: Edit

Hey I got an idea. Let's start an innocent thread and let it get totally out of control. I don't giving a flying F__K what you guys think or do. What I do know is 99% of us prefer limiting the heated debates to tires, suspensions, and lockers. I see nothing wrong with a good discussion about guns, politics, or whatever, but maybe it's wiser to discuss offline instead of letting this dominate an otherwise informative, and the best damn site there is for Discos in the world. Glad I got that shit off my chest!

By willis on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:38 pm: Edit

right on pops!!

By mrbieler on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:47 pm: Edit

Hey Dad.

You can keep the shit on your chest. The beauty of the way this board works is that you can skip the threads you don't want to read.

And I'm sick of idiots posting the same questions about tires, suspension, lockers, etc. without first doing some homework. This at least is a change of pace versus the 476th thread about "why and ARB is better then a Detroit" or "how do I fit 45" tires on my Disco and still keep it stock?"

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:05 pm: Edit

im with you bieler, if you dont like it, dont read it. its great living in such a civil society.

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:09 pm: Edit

cant we all just get along?

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:27 pm: Edit

Apparently not. Conflict breeds evolution, I guess, or maybe evolution breeds conflict.

Ron

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:00 pm: Edit

hmmm...this got interesting...

Hey "European", Eric is right - you ever wonder why we all hopped on boats and left your corner of the world? No offense to the rest of you chaps across the pond who can think outside the box...we're glad you were there to make our Discos. If people like "European" were your mainstream, you'd all be driving identical econo-boxes and this would be a Jeep enthusiast's forum.

Dad, if you don't give a fuck what we think or do, why do continue to read about what we think and do? And does Mom know you have shit on your chest?

By Dad on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:24 pm: Edit

I'll tell you why "Bluegill", because I think it's all very interesting. But after a while it starts to get old like me. "mrbrier", getting bored? Come up with a new Disco subject that will keep your attention. I won't skip any subjects because I always learn something or at the very least I'm entertained (for awhile). Hey Mom! Help me get this shit off my chest!

By mrbieler on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:36 pm: Edit

Damn. We have to keep posting this most heinous of threads so we have most posts then the "what size tires with a 3" Rovertyme lift?" thread.

Come on Dad, I know you can help. If we go back and forth with worthless posts 15 more times, we'll break past 100! Sweeeeet!

And for the last past, someone could list shit stain removal ideas!

By baffled on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:03 am: Edit

I thought that this was a disco site, while mrbieler may be bored of 'heinous threads' some of us ARE interested in disco related topics.

By gil on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:09 am: Edit

where did all the bad apples come from?

By Appladay on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:28 am: Edit

Hail damaged trees, fruit fly? Who knows!

hehe

By glad to be oz on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 03:39 am: Edit

And just when i thought Australian soceity was up the crapper. In reality its just another day in paradise... walking in the city till all hours of the night without a worry in the world, hey the only gun Ive ever held was a 22 at a rifle range for a SCOUT's activity?

By european on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 05:32 am: Edit

the problem with you americans is that you are all well beyond sanity for a long time, and still you have brute force to try to rule the world, thanks god you don´t have brains enough for it. Has any of you really ever been to London, poor ignorants?

By MTB on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 06:24 am: Edit

European
Didn't your mum tell you not to mess with INSANE people. And yes we americans do rule the world.Who does everyone call when they are getting invaded or needs money. Everyone that does not like this thread you sure spend enough time on it,so what if us pistol packing Rovernuts want to talk about guns. You remind me of all the dogooders that want to control everything we do , say & watch on the television.And please look at your history. So please go have a tea. Crime is in every country so please don't fool your self If you could have a gun (pistols) you would have one.Have a good day

Michael B

By UKDiscoOwner on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 07:49 am: Edit

Bluegill.

I suppose lots of europeans drive econoboxs as you call them because our governments are a little more concerned about the environment than USA. Higher fuel prices due to tax policy in an attempt to reduce the number of cars on the roads and the amount of CO2 emmissions. Something that Americans DO NOT care about at all as has become apparant with BUSH's turnaround on the Kyoto protocol.

"The White House said on March 28 that the administration has no plans to implement the Kyoto protocol that the United States signed with other countries in 1997. "I will explain as clearly as I can today and every other chance I get, that we will not do anything that harms our economy, because first things first are the people who live in America," Bush said at his March 29 news conference.

Bit selfish don't you think.

I love the USA having toured the north east several times on holiday from the UK. I do think it's a very strange culture though. Everything to extreme. I think there is a lot of greed in the culture. This shows itself in the statement above about Kyoto. The number of big gas guzzlers you have, the amount you eat, the way that you think you rule the world. I could't believe the number of greedy overweight people there were. Dunkin donuts and McDonalds at every street corner. The UK is following on behind sadly.

Have you got your plane back yet?

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 09:17 am: Edit

Please, get off your high horse there. It's more complex than you make it out to be. Do you have any idea how big the US is? In many places in the USA driving 100-150 miles is considered "Just going down the road." Public transportation is just not an option for many people in some areas of the country, and a car is a necessety, not a luxury. The other thing is freedom of choice. If someone in the USA can afford to drive the car they want, who are you to tell them that they can't?
The revolution is over, buddy. You lost. As you say in the UK: "Piss off"

By UKDiscoOwner on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 09:43 am: Edit

You don't get my drift Axe. Loads of people all over the place have to drive big distances. I currently drive well over 100 miles a day to work and back. The Uk government has priced unclean fuel so as to encourage the use of cleaner, smaller vehicles. This was for several reasons as I can see it. (I'm no economist) Firstly, to encourage cars off the overcrouded UK roads and secondly, to try to clean up the environment. There may be third reason which is to recover more tax for the UK bank balance.

We all share the world we live in. What one country pumps into the air does not stop at the country's boundary but continues around the globe.

So yes, you have the choice to drive big gas guzzlers for instance. What we must all think about is the effect of our choice on others. Probably the wrong place for me to go on about gas guzzlers since I drive one myself.

What worries me though is how the American government isn't prepared to join in with the rest of the world and at least attempt to clean it's act up, all in the name of the economy.

In europe, as a result of government policy, cleaner more efficient vehicles are coming to market. Cars with dual fuel capability are on sale. Diesels capable of 60 MPG and upwards. Smaller, leaner engines with just as much power and torque as my V8.

I'm not going to "piss off" either. I didn't see any rules about not being able to express my opinion on this web site, either right or wrong.

Off my high horse now cos I've gos work to do....

PS. I find the site excellent overall. Albeit as some of the other contributors have suggested, often full of needless (IMHO) questions about 3" lifts and tyres etc. Keep up the good work.

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 12:56 pm: Edit

First of all, thanks DiscoWeb for creating this non-tech area. Now people like dear old Dad won't be "forced" to read stuff that troubles them .

(UKDisco said): "I love the USA having toured the north east several times on holiday from the UK. I do think it's a very strange culture though. Everything to extreme. I think there is a lot of greed in the culture. This shows itself in the statement above about Kyoto. The number of big gas guzzlers you have, the amount you eat, the way that you think you rule the world. I could't believe the number of greedy overweight people there were. Dunkin donuts and McDonalds at every street corner. The UK is following on behind sadly."

Believe it or not, UKDisco, I agree with you. I'm probably about to piss off a lot of my fellow Americans, but this country has some of the worst examples of the world's sickness (and no, "European" it's not only the USA that's sick, it's the world, with rare exceptions). McD's on every damn corner, a remote control for the damn mindless TeeVee in everybody's fat fist, drive-up everything so we don't have to exercise at all, every asshole lawyer suing everybody for everything. Greed. Simple as that. The best thing I've done in my recent past (other than get married and have a daughter) was to move out to Arizona and throw out my TV five years ago. My wife brought a "stupid box" into the house when we got married, but it only shows videos we choose to rent (I threatened to take it out back and shoot it with my - gasp - GUN if she became a zombie). The TV brainwashes everybody into thinking that excess and greed are the status quo. As far as good old "Dubbya" (Bush) is concerned, he and the gov't are just trying to keep the peace and keep the economy going. Sure, immediate, self-imposed sanctions by the leader of the free world against all that's wrong is philosophically correct, but that's not reality. Like Axel said, it's more complex than that. Change takes time. Although it doesn't always seem like it, American people truly have the power here in our representative republic (created in the spirit of democracy); the gov't has a pretty tenacious grasp on the reigns. If the Pres of USA doesn't make the struggling USA economy his priority, he'll be ousted and the next slick politician will learn from his mistakes and say whatever to take his place. Study your history.

Also take a look at the history of our planet. We've come this far in 4,600 million years, 200 years of industrialized human endeavors aren't going to break this rock. I'm a geologist, I may have a bit of a different perspective on these issues. However, UKDisco, I will acquiesce that we better be very mindful of where we're taking things.

Finally, UKDisco, your lecture had to be delivered tongue-in-cheek because the UK, afterall, is the country that gave us the NON-econobox Disco. Your region is not the mecca of the unpolluted, unadulterated, perfectly sane, peaceful world either. The "rare exceptions" I referred to above are the places untouched by world war, McDonalds, TV, and commercialism in general (gotta go way deep in the fields to find those places).

That's enough altruistic rhetoric from me. I'm off to the tech side for some real Disco discussions.

By chrisvonc on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 06:21 pm: Edit

...."often full of needless (IMHO) questions about 3" lifts and tyres etc."

UKDisco,
They really aren't needless if lots of people already have done it for their reasons and those thinking of it want more info, now is it?

Compare it to the threads about all you UK owners converting to bottled gas kits. While, a big deal to you chaps, it's kind of a needless thread to us here in the States.

If there is a thread you don't like, simply skip over it. While needless to you, other find it a valuable source of info.

By American on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 06:35 pm: Edit

European,
I was in London last year. While there I pondered the fact that if the USA didn't step in and bail you out of WWII, I would have needed an English-German dictionary to get around town.

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 08:39 pm: Edit

American, very nice! I had originally typed in a little in-your-face about that whole world war hand-holding incident, but glazed it over in my final posting. An English-German dictionary - I'm still laughin! UKDisco is lamenting "the way we think we rule the world" - it's hard to be humble when your democratic country that's about 6% of the world's population is the major influence to that world population. Look at China - communistic, 2500 year old culture, over 20% of the world's population, and our little 225 year old country that's 5 times smaller than theirs can go head to head with them. The only thing keeping us from walkin all over them is our common courtesy and a few red buttons that the Clinton administration sold them. Imagine if USA was 1.3 billion people with 2500 year history. We'd be 10 times as old as we are now, and we therefore would have had all that time to learn from our mistakes...there sure as hell wouldn't be all this diplomatic apology BS about a little airplane...

By mrbieler on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 08:52 pm: Edit

At the Santa Monica Battle of Britain air show last September 2000, we had the chance to meet some WWII great vets including a British pilot, a Free Polish vet, and two German aces. The funniest comment occured when the British vet and the German vets started talking. They were having a great time and really enjoyed each others company until the German vet asked "Do you know who lost the war?" to the Brit. You could see in his face that the British vet knew was coming. The German poked him in the chest and said "You lost the war. Where is your empire now? Japan is stronger. Germany is stronger. Where is the British empire now?" They all laughed, but it struck a cord. It was fun to listen in to their banter.

I've been to England a few times and I've spent time in London. I may not always be proud of what we do as a nation, but I'll hold our track record against against theirs (and any other country I can think of) any day of the week.

Jeff

By Moses on Friday, May 11, 2001 - 02:11 am: Edit

What a pissing contest, if Germany had won the war you wouldn't need a English-German dictionary dipstick, only a German one, all the English would have been stuck in ovens or placed on the Russian front, then of course the Yanks would have had no place to land their fat arses on to bomb the Germans. Whoops, the Russians are doing OK, so lets give em some more US kit. OK so now the Russians beat the Germans and take over all of Europe cos the Yanks aren't there.

Hang on, the Yanks are fighting the slopes in the Pacific, OK with help from OZ they win there, then the Ruskies think "Fuck me the Yanks are on our doorstep, the Chinese go "Fuck me the Yanks and Russians have taken over the continent, stuff this" etc etc

Don't rewrite history boys. The US is the US, the UK is the UK etc etc.

Let's not get into track records either, or we will mention the red indians....

By UKDiscoOwner on Friday, May 11, 2001 - 04:48 am: Edit

America has to be our closest ally and Bitain has to be America's closest ally and that's not just because you're bigger than us. We're friends OK. We don't actually get along very well with europe from what I can see. They speak funny languages anyway.

My favourite shop is COSTCO for god's sake..... Can't seem to go in there without spending £50 or more... Wish they'd sell petrol like in the USA.

Good points made by all.

Back to the techie BBS.

By DiscoFever on Friday, May 11, 2001 - 05:27 pm: Edit

Oh m'gosh,
after all this I just noticed that I mispelled the word "waist"....
Check the very first post question..
This was a pretty good topic....

By willis on Friday, May 11, 2001 - 05:35 pm: Edit

oh my gosh by golly, you silly dog

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, May 11, 2001 - 05:42 pm: Edit

yeah, the last place I'd put my H&K is on my "waste"! By the way - that H&K is a German made firearm, company founded in 1950...could that be the source of all the "European" wrath?...

By BRUCE on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 08:53 pm: Edit

THIS MY MAKE THE ENGLISH A LITTLE NERVOUS, I OWN ONE OF THOSE "CIVIL" DISCO II, AND THANKS TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT I AM A CLASS III DEALER WHO OWNS A MP5SD FULL AUTO SUB GUN,A ORIGINAL MG42 GERMAN LIGHT MACHINE GUN (FULL AUTO) AN MP40 (FULL AUTO) AND SEVERAL OTHER FULL AUTO AND SILENCED GUNS. OH YEA AND THE ENTIRE H&K USP LINE UP. THANK GOD I AM AN AMERICAN. I LIVE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ROVER OWNERS WHO ALSO OWN CLASSIII WEAPONS LIKE A FAMOUS ROCK STAR WHO LIVES IN NEW HAMPSHIRE (WALK THIS WAY).

ENGLAND SUCKS AND WE BEAT THEM TWICE LOL.