By Mike on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:48 am: Edit

I am looking at the Rover Tym 3" lift and want to know how tall I can go with tires. I have the RN 1.5" lift now with 245-75. I am willing to trim a little. Do you think I could fit a 255-85 or bigger?

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:28 am: Edit

I saw a disco with 255 85 R16s on it.

To do it you would need:

CV front drive shaft (almost certainly)
CV rear drive (maybe because of the next thing)
Longer rear trailing arms (moves tire back away from the door) Or buy those with weld on mounts and weld them on a little further back
Longer front radius arms (same idea)
Wide offset wheels or wheels spacers.
Good idea to get longer bump stops
Definately longer brake lines and of course new shocks and mounts
Depending on how much weight you carry you may even want/need spacers to go even higher.

To go from 2in RTE springs and 235 85s to 3in RTE springs and 255 85 is a real undertaking.

The other way to go is just to mount them and let them destroy your rear door and back corner of the front fender but that looks like hell and does not work to well.

The main limiting factor to bigger wheels on a disco is how far back you can move the rear axle without hitting the fuel tank, alternatively you have to cut the rear door which will prevent it from sealing properly.

Cheers
Ron

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:42 am: Edit

Ron, what does a 255/85 equate to in inch sizes? Is that a 33x11.5?

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:13 am: Edit

It depends on which one you get as far as exact size but yes (dunlops actually run big in this size 33.6x 10.8, where BFGs are not that big), about a 33 x10.50 (not 11.50) so you would in theory be able to fit 33 x 10.50 Swamper TSL radials using the same procedure.

Ron

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:28 am: Edit

man, i think i think you may be telepathic, you answered my second my second question before i even asked it. Those were exactly the tires I was thinking of. Thanks.

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:48 am: Edit

There is only so much stuff that makes "sense" and since I have nothing better to do I think about I focus on what tires/winch/locker/skid plates/ suspension will work on my trucks I usually have ideas as to what people might think about. I personally want to see if I can run P78 Ground hawgs on the Rangie (same as disco in 95% of the ways that matter). They are approximatley the same hieght as other choices but are narrower which would "probably" allow them to tuck in the rear without cutting the inside of the fender, even with wide offset wheels but I still am not 100% sure.

Ron

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 11:38 am: Edit

There is a frame interference consideration as well boys. I personally hate to see the poor Discos Jeepified to that extent..

Kyle

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 11:44 am: Edit

Kyle,

I agree about the Jeepified statement. When you say frame interference what part of the frame are you talking about?

Ron

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 12:12 pm: Edit

The tires will rub the upper spring perch in the front (If it twists really good) and the upper spring perch in the rear. Also in the rear it will get into the inner fender well and there will be a need for some hacking there. If you run the offset wheels and the spacers (Creating a real hard core Jeep with tires hanging all out the sides) I think you avoid the spring perch rubbage. In the end its just another hack job...

Kyle

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 12:41 pm: Edit

Ok,
Thats what I thought you meant but did not get the frame reference. I belive the solution is to run longer bump stops to keep it out of the fender well and as mentioned the wide offset wheels or spacers (but not both) with the bump stops should keep it off of the spring perches, but this is more speculation. You will have to measure to be certain. Hack job on the fenders, especially rear, for sure. End result, who knows? I still think I am going to try the P78s but priorities are elsewhere now.

Ron

Ron

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:03 pm: Edit

Mike,

I have the full RT 3" lift with trailing links, castor correction, brake extensions, front CV and offset rims. Rear drives replacement hasn't proved necessary yet. I currently have 32.3x9.5r15 swamper TSL's totally rub-free with minor trimming (same for 245's), and I think I can easily fit the size you are talking about without a lot of trimming, maybe just a bit more on the rear fender. For a lot bigger, I would simply look into the Disco II style wheel well arches to put on.

Is my truck "jeepified"? I don't know, I'll let others worry about such things. I am not big on the Jeep Vs. Rover front, I just like to wheel.

For pics of the setup, check out the gallery under Tom Pearson.

Tom

By Mike on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:03 pm: Edit

Thanks for all the info. It seems like the 235-85 makes more sense and you can fit them with the 2" lift. What tire fits with a 3" that won't fit with a 2" lift? The 1.5 lift with 245-75s I have is looking better all the time, it's paid for!

PS. Check out our club's site:norcalrover.org

By Mike on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:13 pm: Edit

Thanks Tom, we were posting at the same time. I think I have seen your photos, I will look again. What about my last question?

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:22 pm: Edit

The last question...ummm, I don't think my swampers would fit on a 2" lift. I have never had a 2" lift, though.

In all reality, you could fit 33" tires w/out a lift, if you trim the hell out of everything and cut articulation with tall bump stops and steerting by adjusting those stops.

I am not a pro at this stuff, and mine is the only rover i have seen this modified. Guys like Kyle, Ron, Ho, etc. I think have seen a lot more rovers and maybe can tell. However, most folks do the standard 245/75, 2" lift.

For me, that simply wouldn't cut it, because I would constantly be winching or getting towed through the obstacles that my buddies jeeps make it through. Being that guy is no fun!

It is like anything else, if everyone you wheel with has similar trucks you will hit trails that are right for your group. It is when you hang with folks who are way more or less modified that the scales tip and things are either too hairy or difficult or too boring, depeding on the situation and where you are sitting. Some trails I used to hit and enjoy stock are now not much for fun than driving over parking blocks!

Tom

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:26 pm: Edit

One more thing, lifting isn't just about fitting tires, it is about increasing the distance between your trucks parts and the ground. Increasing approach, departure, and breakover angles are all helpful when off road.

Tom

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:27 pm: Edit

Tom,
The reason I said you would maybe need a rear shaft is that to fit much bigger than you have (dunlop 255 85 R16 is 33.6 which is 1.3 inches taller than the Swampers) You would have to extend the rear links perhaps even more than the RTE ones do. This would really put the rear drive shaft at its full extention and perhaps beyond. I don't think a 3in lift alone would require it. Since I believe you are mildly contemnplating something truly cool (did I hear mention of 35s?) I thought I would mention it.

Ron

Yes 235s and a two in lift are easy, more than that requires thought and money.

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:36 pm: Edit

Tom,
I am fairly certain that the swamper you have (32x9.50x15) would fit a two inch lifted disco IF it had extended rear links like Rovertyms to move it back away from the rear door a smidge and you trimmed the rear fender. Front would be really close I think but I also feel like the extra inch of lift does not get you much in the way of clearance where it really matters.

One final thing. I see no need to go beyond the 2in 235 set up until you have the sucker locked (at least in back). Mike if you want to do more that could be the answer. But at least for my money lockers and tires do more than a bigger lift and suspension. Then again what do I know I am happiest driving through sticks.

Ron

BTW Tom, you do not need to see other discos, yours is one of the beastiest.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Tom , you havnt reached the serious Jeep point just yet. I belive your tires are still inside the fender wells.
Ron , For your truck to work like it should with the 33s there is some good hacking involved along with moving both housings fore and aft. And unless you put a giant bumpstop on there that will limit the shit out of up travel , you will have problems with the fender wells under articulation. The slinky, although it doesnt have the Jeep wheels on it or spacers , rubs the shit out of the inside with 265s when its twisted up.

Kyle

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 02:16 pm: Edit

I see what you are saying. I was thinking 3 1/2 in front and 4 or 4 1/2 in back bump stops. No ultra flexy stuff either, just stock mounts and longer shocks. The way I was going to get them to fit ok was to run p78 which is a really narrow 33. This would let me keep the turning radius more and also fix the rubbing on the mounts issue. I think it would also allow me to tuck inside the rear fender. The issue I see now is that it may be a matter of running different offsets front and rear (ie a narrower track in back and a wider one in front by just using front spacers and using stock offset wheels, or better yet the second set of 15 x6 SIII wheels) to make things fit and tuck and still be able to turn. This is the next issue, to figure out how wide A p78 hawg will be on a 16 x 7in gcr rim or on a 15 x 6in rim. In the end it might not work but it is giving me something to think about.

Ron

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 02:22 pm: Edit

Ron,

I hear ya on the rear driveshaft. Another option would be to remove the rear seats, then cut and weld the rear door shut!

You are probably right, with some more trimming it might work. I hope it does, when I get my bumpers/winch/rails the truck will hunker down some and I will be closer to 2".

I agree on the lockers. I am currently contemplating ARB or Detroit/TT and flip back and forth on that decision everyday. The big decision is which oriphus in my body I am going to try and coax the money out of to do it!

On the 35's, i can see those somewhere in my future. When the 32's wear out and I have three cars in the family, that will be the next step...maybe just the 34's (Q78's, I think), but definately more than the 32's.

Thanks on the beasty comment.

Kyle,

I hear ya on the fenders. Some of that stuff does look obnoxious, but I think the RR that was shown a few times on the RoverTym site looked simply awesome as a trail rig. I wouldn't drive it back and forth to work, though. To each their own.

Tom

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 02:37 pm: Edit

Tom,

Q78s are 35.5in Both from denmann (hawgs, buckshots, gumbos) and interco (swampers). There are the 34 x 9.50s special service swampers and drew had them on an LWB RR a while back.

I do like drew's RR. If I could afford to upgrade the axles enough on the RR I might just try it with the wheels and tires off the 110 (If I can make up my mind and get either the q78s or the boggers). I had a nice 87 2 door RR lined up ready to go but I had some issue in getting it into the US and it turned out not to be worth the risk so I got the 4 door I have now. 2 door is really the way to go. In england and oz it fairly common to see them with 35s or even 38s although kyle's jeep comment becomes all the more apparent. I think the true way to go would be like the Chemog (search and check out the pics of it), but that would require some real funding.

Ron

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 02:45 pm: Edit

Checked out the Chemog...holy crap! I wonder how that would fair against a sniper. That is a whole different league that what I am doing.

Go with the boggers! I would love to see them on a rover, especially if I don't have to pay to make it happen! One of the 4 wheel mags put them in 1st place for mud usage recently against some others. May have been petersen's, not sure.

Tom

By willis on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 02:57 pm: Edit

ok, hang on a second. this may be a stupid question, but after looking at the CHEMOG, it needs to be asked. Do you guys also use your rigs on the street or are they for the most part trail-only machines? I tell ya what, if I ever saw the CHEMOG ridin up my back bumper on I-95, i would voluntarily drive myself thru the guardrail and into a ditch. that vehicle is insane!

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:04 pm: Edit

I think it would destroy a sniper. And think that was 3 years ago that they were running that beast. Definately a bit different than what you would see in an rock crawling comp. But I think in tellico it would be the best. Mog portal axles are the best. especially in a four wheel steer configuration. Petersons rated bogger #1 but they did not test ground hawgs and they are the only other tire DOT legal close to a bogger. Plus I might actually be able to stand driving the beast with Hawgs. So it is either Q78 Hawgs or 37 x 13 in boggers. The fenders are already beat to hell and I have a 3in lift with cv front shaft (rear I am waiting on my salisbury to figure shaft but I think I can use a 109 shaft) so cost would be minimal. The only extra cost are the tires themselves and then the 200 more for boggers is like a drop in the bucket on this project. It really will depend on whether I feel like building something else when i am done with the 110. I have a concept of a dana 44 V8 lightweight that I have been playing with so maybe I will stick with remotely reasonable on the 110 and save the boggers for the Lwt.

Cheers
Ron

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:14 pm: Edit

Willis,

I have a fairly stock 1959 88 that I use mainly for rover events especially RTVs and the 110 hybrid will be mainly for the same thing with more of a rockcrawling/extreme focus (it has to be able to run all of Tellico). I have an 88 rangie that I bought to drive around in but is quickly becoming an offroad biased machine too (it came with OME HDs and 245 75s and I want p78s on it). Also my girlfriend drives the disco on a daily basis but it see a lot of offroad too.

So to answer your question some for each purpose.

Ron

PS chemog is definately cool.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:33 pm: Edit

Tom , "Awesome" ? Hmmmm , no , its more like "Broken" You plan on getting a trailer to tow the poor Disco on? That rangie there has spent more time broken then running. Your disco will turn into the same sort of thing in the end if thats the path you choose. Now at the bottom you say "To each their own" You telling me that is desireable? Grown people actually think its "Cool" to build a hunk of shit that becomes more and more unreliable ? Thats something that I still aint getting. People will avoid replacing the weak links on their trucks and the items that will make it more durable. In turn they will spend that cash on the "Cool" shit. Which do you think is more "Awesome" ? Two trucks built exactly the same , one has 32" tires and one is hacked to hell with 35's? Which will go further ?

Kyle

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:55 pm: Edit

The one with 35s until it eats a cv.
You have to be realistic. Setting up an 88 range rover with 38in boggers and then beating the crap out of it on stock axles is not the smartest thing I have seen. Now he has got the Toy difs things are looking up but still I sure it will still break. Build it bigger (and cooler) but build it better. I am holding out for the 297 HD u jointed 30 spline alloy D44 knuckles rover front which whould take what ever you want to run. A 30 spline GBR rear will already take whatever you want so wheres the weak link, the R&P (which undoubtedly would be upgraded too), the ARBs. The possibilities are there, but you eventually turn your truck into a trail rig, which is fine if you have two more cars, but probably not what you want to drive to work.

Ron

By Parker on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 04:10 pm: Edit

Question..."Grown people actually think its "Cool" to build a hunk of shit that becomes more and more unreliable ?"

Answer... Yes, most definitely.

Question... "Which do you think is more "Awesome" ? Two trucks built exactly the same , one has 32" tires and one is hacked to hell with 35's? Which will go further ? "

Answer... The latter of the two. Does this really bother you? Upgrade the axles and away you go. Go for it Tom!!

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 04:16 pm: Edit

what the hell, if you got the loot to do it and do it right, then why not? As long as you have something else to drive as well. As far as that blasted Rovertym Rangie, it does look kind of cool from a built standpoint, but Id never want to meet my girlfriends dad driving that thing. And if it doesnt work, then whats the point?
Man, i love this Discoweb, I just discovered it a couple weeks back, and i think im addicted. It sure makes my day at work go by faster.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 04:49 pm: Edit

Parker , you will not go very far . You see the boys in the short bus crowd breaking time and time again and they arent hauling as much wieght.
A 35" tired disco will not go nearly as far or as long. Why is it that you think otherwise parker? This is of terrible interest to me. Half the boys that think the 35's are cool arent even smart enough to fix the damn thing when it does break. Maybe thats the key. Since they dont know whats going on in there they dont care.... Hmmm , food for thought. And yes , it bothers me. I really hate to see a nice truck turned into a hunk of shit that has a 100 mile travel range and no reliability at all.

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:04 pm: Edit

Kyle,

Geez, you would think I insulted your family.

To avoid a thread with 100 messages, I'll just say, again, "to each thier own" and leave it at that. This is America, by God, and if a man wants to shoot his own animal, well then, that's his business.

Tom

By gil on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:06 pm: Edit

yeah, but Kyle, everybody is different and has different taste. Personally, I dont see the need for 35's. A locked Disco with 32s is essentially unstoppable. To me it seems like a waste of time, money and effort that could be better spent on a different project (like a BMW 2002)I think there is a bell curve as far as Disco mods go. I think the lockers and 32s are at the top of the curve as far as reliability is concerned. Anything more than that and u are on the downside of the curve. Just my opinion, and im no expert.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:14 pm: Edit

No Tom , not at all. But for me not to say anything is to perpetuate it. Some new guy comes on here and he thinks thats the way to go. Yes you are correct "To each his own"
So break it down for me Tom. I wanna hear your pros of the 35" monsters. THen I will chime in with the cons. Enlighten me as to the superiority they will give you. Keep in mind that there arent many places I wont take my little Disco with 32s

Kyle

By Grown on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:16 pm: Edit

Boys....boys....boys.....you keep referring to the boys....boys.....well most of us are men making decisions based on adult ways of managing our own tastes.

By Parker on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:19 pm: Edit

Ummmm... Kyle... this really does bother you, doesn't it? It's funny that you try and insult somebody when they don't have the same idea as you. Oh well, you won't get any insults from me.

Where I live more and more trails are popping up ALL OVER. Each one gets more and more challenging. You wouldn't stand a chance in hell of making some of these new trails with your 32" tires. I'm not saying that your set-up doesn't work perfect in your eyes for your uses. All I'm saying is that for ME, they don't cut it. If someone else's needs change, why tell them they are crazy and flame them for trying something different? I just don't understand that kind of thinking. Do you feel threatened? If something is built RIGHT, there is no problem running whatever tire size fits MY needs.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:19 pm: Edit

Yes, but should I perpetuate any stupidy that I might see passing by? You forget that many many people get their ideas from here.

Kyle

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:24 pm: Edit

dont forget the winch (12k worm drive naturally)... then you'll be unstopable

hehe

rd

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:29 pm: Edit

Parker , lol , it dont matter where it is. I will go through it with those 32s. Invite me down/up where ever the hell it is.
You talk about building right? Every time a drive line upgrade gets mentioned here everyone is talking about how to avoid it or "get by". They dont wanna get their truck bullet proof , they wanna get it "Cool". The two dont go hand in hand. Flame? Is that what you call me speaking my mind? Arent you speaking yours? Isnt this board here for just that? Why am I asking you? WE put the damn thing here and I damn well know what its for...
As far as what I run. That statement makes little sense. I run what damn near everyone runs. So I am not stuck on some unique set up that I might have and I want everyone to come over to . Hell , I dont even advertise what I have. What I dont have is hacking...
Lets have the pro and con debate , hows that?

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:33 pm: Edit

By the way Parker , its always good to hear someone say "There aint no way in hell you are making that with those little tires!" right before 5 or 6 of us go over whatever the hell the guy was talking about......

Kyle

By Parker on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:38 pm: Edit

Well, here is your official invite to Moab. Tell me when you can make it down here. I'll make the hotel reservations or if you prefer to camp, I've got a great spot! We'll make a weekend of it. The weather is absolutely beautiful right now...

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:41 pm: Edit

LOL , I just freaking left there man... There wasnt anything there that kept me out with 32" tires...What are the trails there you think will keep me and my 32" tires out?

Kyle

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:45 pm: Edit

Ah, Kyle, I really don't feel like debating it, as I don't have a set of 35's on the way, or plan to buy them any time soon. Shit, I haven't even gotten my lockers, axles, bumpers, sliders, winch, etc. which all will come first before doing anything with 35" tires.

All I have right now is a 3" lift and some Swampers. I am waiting for a friend to have time to fab up the bumpers and sliders, and need to crack the whip and make my locker decision and get those in.

What I am truely hoping is that you are right and I won't ever need or desire 35's when I get everything else in. That would be great.

Tom

By Discosaurus on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:46 pm: Edit

hehehe...

where's this guy been hiding the last few years, Kyle ?

keith
discosaurus

By Parker on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:48 pm: Edit

I would pay big money to see you attempt Upper Heldorado. If by some chance in hell you made it out alive there's the Proving Grounds. Proving Grounds is INSANE. I have a video of it I'd be more than happy to send up to you. E-mail me your address and I'll send some footage your way. I'm mad that I missed you guys. I'm only about three hours away. What trails did you guys run? I saw the picture of the disco on rock pile. Anybody make it up rocker knocker or rock pile w/o a winch? That's a fun trail. When are you due back to Moab again?

By bigrangie on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:48 pm: Edit

Ive got 44 inch swampers on my 97 4.6 HSE. I REALLY can go anywhere. sure my investment is over $140,000, but its not a hack job and it does GO ANYWHERE! By the way its got an LS-1 under the hood. Ill drive over all your discos!

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:53 pm: Edit

LOL , yes , I am sure you will. That is , if you can make it to where they are parked....lol

Kyle

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:55 pm: Edit

I dont know Keith,,,,lol,,,I just dont know....


Kyle

By bigrangie on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:59 pm: Edit

a little humor is always good, this was getting a bit to serious

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:59 pm: Edit

Parker , just as most do we winched at Rock pile and rocker knocker. I to try and get up rocker knocker but I was having spotter problems so I just backed off and winched up after getting all the others over.. We had about 12 trucks with us so there wasnt allot of time for dicking around at each obstacle. We talked about running Heldo this time but we have a 2200 mile drive to get there. That doesnt afford us much time once there. One of these days I suppose.....

Kyle

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:00 pm: Edit

Serious Bigrangie? Not at all. Its just a debate over trucks , thats all.

Kyle

By Discosaurus on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:01 pm: Edit

Parker, I'd pay $$ to watch you try either of the
Helldorado's with your Disco - no matter what
tires you have.. There are some places long wheelbases
should just stay away from.

Besides - Helldorado isn't really a 'trail'...

extra crunchy
hehehe

keith
discosaurus

By Parker on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:04 pm: Edit

2200 MILES!!! Yikes... that's a long haul. Well, I hope you had a good time, Moab is a great place...

By Parker on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:07 pm: Edit

Actually have been through Lower Heldorado with the disco, Upper on the other hand is for the trailer queen. What do you mean Upper is not a "trail"?

By Ron on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:15 pm: Edit

Kyle is right!

The disco is definately not the ticket for hard core stuff. I mean it is just a soccer mom mobile, anything more than 32s are crazy. Is that what you are trying to say. Great for expeditioin type stuff but tire size is the limiting factor. I tend to agree and I have also seen discos with 32s do a ton of stuff. Kyle, if you want I am thinking about beating the crap out of my 88 and taking it to do ALL of Tellico (especially lower 2), so I have a comparison for when the 110 rolls out. Sometimes the rock is just too big, but then the idiot pedal gets you through or you roll. Anyway all this is basically why I decided to build the 110 and also why midway through I am realizing I really want somthing absurd, like a Lwt. with 37in boggers. I end up back in the same spot, my trucks get too nice to do what I really want with them. A disco cannot do all of tellico with 32s without some major crunching sounds going on. For that matter niether could my 88, even with the ARB. With 35s a disco could do it. With 34s maybe my 88 could do it. I guess it would depend on the amount of mud on the trail. In any case it would be fun to try. I guess what I am saying is if you want 35s build a buggy and keep the disco sane, unless you have a beat up 94 or 95 and don't really care.

Ron

By MA on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:56 pm: Edit

yeah...thats exactly what I have, a beat-up 94 Disco. When I make the money(i'm 16 working in a Land Rover/BMW dealer) I will do some "normal" stuff to it. I don't want to do any "insane" stuff to it, b/c i spend 98% of my time on-road. If I lived close to MOAB or Tellico then i would do the insane stuff to it, but i don't(damn!! I wish i did). Normal is a 2" Rovertym lift with 245/75-16 Dunlop Radial Rover RT tires. Then I plan to put dual Detroit TT's on it and a lot of body armoring. I found it cheaper to buy some 1/4" thick sheet metal and custom make the frame sliders,tranny skidplate, fual tank skidplate with the help of my friends. It should work out.

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:05 pm: Edit

The only advantage of 35's is that your Disco will float on water if you pump them up to max pressure.

By ho on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:07 pm: Edit

this is quite entertaining.
thanks all for participating.

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:13 pm: Edit

Kyle,

That is where we differ. I would rather drive over things than winch over them. I know this has been a 100 message debate a million times, but if a Jeep with 31" tires can make it up Rockerknocker without a winch and a Rover with 32's can't, that breaks my heart! I love my Rover and have driven both it and a Jeep Cherokee off road and driving the Rover just feels better.

However, when I hear that everybody is winching up things in their Rovers that a Cherokee with 31's is driving up, I start to feel my world crumble around me.

SAY IT AIN'T SO!!! We all won't need to winch up this stuff will we!! Tell me guys have made it up. I want to return from my first trip to moab this fall smiling, not crying!

Here's the cherokee in question. Only download if you have cable or dsl, as it is a big file (6+ megs, I think).
http://www.nettech.net/~doc/jeep/pc_rockerknocker.mpg

Tom

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:14 pm: Edit

Ho! Tell me you make it up rockerknocker...please!!!

By ho on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:43 pm: Edit

no comment.

By Huh? on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:55 pm: Edit

"The only advantage of 35's is that your Disco will float on water if you pump them up to max pressure."

Gee, that is an intelligent statement!!

:b

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 08:01 pm: Edit

take a joke, weenie

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 08:13 pm: Edit

That is the problem tire inflation boy, some people here don't know when so called geniuses are making a joke. Use some common dog f&%k and place in a smiley, turd burgler!!

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 08:20 pm: Edit

If some people here think that a 4500+ pound Disco will float on 35" tires, then your problems go way beyond stolen turds. What is common dog f&%k?

Happy, Tom?

By MA on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 08:45 pm: Edit

have any of you guys climbed Lions Back?

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:13 pm: Edit

The Tom above is not this Tom...was I impersonated?

By Tom on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:15 pm: Edit

Ho, no comment? You're killing me!!!

By Tom Tom on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 12:51 am: Edit

Common Dog Fuck (aka CDF), what you don't have, stolen dog turds???? How about Arse Munch!!!

Besides we all know that when you have 35" tires you can do ANYTHING, because the brainstrust lemmings here believe it to be so!

hehe

By gil on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 12:56 am: Edit

ive been confused by the toms...and the turds....and the smileys. what happened to the tires?

By ho on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:04 am: Edit

tom, we all know that the above tom was a fake one.
we can easily track him down. but why bother?


about rocker knocker...
what i mean by "no comment" ... is.. you had to be there. i had plenty comment when i was there.
actually, we all had some comments.

By Tom on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:11 am: Edit

Tom, hehe
Damn saw through my disguise!!!


Tim Tom Tim Tom

By Ron on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 09:07 am: Edit

"Besides we all know that when you have 35" tires you can do ANYTHING, because the brainstrust lemmings here believe it to be so!"

No do to anything requires the Chemog.

Ron

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 10:14 am: Edit

Yes Tom , you can get up rocker knocker but it helps greatly to have a spotter that believes that as well. I was having some difficulty in that area. Keep in mind Tom that 90% of the time making an obstacle doesnt really rely on tire size alone. Bottom line is how bad you wanna make it and what will you risk to do so. The 35" tired disco is not as manuverable and not as forgiving in the drive line arena. You will break or tip sooner then if wearing 32s or less. How hard you gonna go at an obstacle 2000 miles from home? 35s or not!

Kyle

By ho on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 10:15 am: Edit

ron, think again. anything?
ANYTHING?

By Ron on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 10:19 am: Edit

OK Ho,

So it won't go in a parking garage.


hehehehe
Ron

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 10:32 am: Edit

Ron , I will get back to you on the answer for tellico after we get back. We are going some time this summer... That clip that Tom posted kinda says it all about tire sizes. 99% of the time manuverability wins over height and tire size in Moab...

Kyle

By Tom on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 10:41 am: Edit

Kyle,

Yes, the clip does actually negate the need for 35's. There we have a Jeep with 31's making what some folks with 33's or more can't.

It is also good to mention that the guy in the bright shirt offering the spot is his brother, who has conquered MOAB in everything from a Suzuki to a Suburban. If anyone is going to know the line to get through, it is him.

Tom

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:14 pm: Edit

I have a quick comment, feel free to lambaste me...

35" tires aside, the Disco (or any truck for that matter) can get through some very hairy obstacles if the owner is willing to rely on a bit of luck, stupid pedal, and his spotter (not necessarily in that order). If the owner is willing to risk breaking his rig, then he can just "go for it". How many videos have you seen with a circus freak Jeep buggy climbing over boulders the size of Volkswagens? He bashes the hell out of his body panels (if he even has any), breaks a driveshaft or two, breaks an axle or two, loses his tire beads, ejects all the Budweiser from his cooler, etc. But hey, he done made it over dem dere rocks!

Sometimes a clever owner will exercise the "smart winch" rather than the "stupid pedal" (witness the recent DiscoWeb entourage in Moab). In my opinion, 35" tires are indicative of someone who relies more on the latter, and less of the former. So they didn't make it up Rocker Knocker without winching...they came away without damage and continued on around the next bend in the trail. If being King of the Hill is the most important thing in off-roading, then maybe we should all just slap our dicks out on the table at the pre-trail breakfast meetings and be done with it so we can enjoy the rest of the day.

By gil on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:28 pm: Edit

lol, right on!

By Ron on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:37 pm: Edit

It is the "idiot pedal" not the "stupid pedal", as stated before the stupid pedal is the aftermarket one shaped like a foot with toes and all.

Ron

The trick is using the idiot pedal w/o breakage, then people are like "wow"! Rather than "he's drunk."

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:47 pm: Edit

I stand corrected - where can I find one of those cool stupid pedals? Do they make it in a size 12?

By mrbieler on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:02 pm: Edit

The stupid pedals are cool. Most of the ones I used to see were all chromed out, but now I think they have them in anodized aluminum. Sweet.

When did using a winch go out of style? Not only is it generally more in line with "tread lightly", but it's just as much a tool on the truck as tires, lifts, lockers, etc. If it's part of your arsenal, break it out. The proper use of a winch is as much a use of skill as hitting the switch on an ARB.

By Parker on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:03 pm: Edit

Oh boy, I can see it coming... everybody bust out their flame-retardant suits!! Well I'll put mine on anyhow.

Where is the fun or challenge in this "smart-winch"? Why spend all this money on suspensions and traction aids etc, if you never push the limits? Couldn't anyone just throw a 9500 H.S. on ANY grocery getter and go any where? Where's the friendly competition between friends? How will you ever know if that new fancy gadget that you spent your life savings on even works if your winching up all the tough spots? This method of 4-wheeling (or more appropriately 4-wheel winching) is NOT FOR ME.

These vehicles are very capable but the one true weak link is the driver. If the driver never gives his/her vehicle a chance to truly shine, then it's a sad day...

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:08 pm: Edit

Yes Bill , your statement there is exactly what I am trying to instill. People should use their brains more and their credit cards and stupid pedals less. People see that kind of setup and that kind of driving and think thats the way its done. Its silly and thats most of the reason people think they will destroy their junk if they take it off road. Eficiency and manuverability are very valuable in any enviroment...


Kyle

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:15 pm: Edit

Parker , you arent saying anything to get flamed over. Thats what most of the off road world thinks its about. To all that I run with its about that as well , and about getting home. The getting home part takes presidence . Its more important to know when to say when on an obstacle then it is to go all out and make it up for your buddies. As I said before , maiking it up aint nothin but a thang , what will you sacrifice to make an obstacle a few hundred miles from home? Better yet , how will you feel when you try and try and try and finally break trying , never using that shiny winch there on the front of your truck that could haved saved all the bullshit you are in after the breakage? How are your buddies looking at you now? How about that crowd of Jeepers that was sitting back watching? LOL


Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:25 pm: Edit

Better yet how will you feel when you try and try and try and finally break trying.

Thats when you get out, fix if you can, winch yourself over and come back next time with more stuff. Which is precisely why I like wheeling in my series rig the best. You tag a tree, oh well I can straiten the bumper, you blow out an axle oh well I got a spare, you toast an engine, oh well I got a spare, you lay it on its side, oh well it ads character if it does any damage at all. If any of this happens to the series rig I will be at most mildly perturbed, if the disco hydrolocks an engine you know damn well I am going to be P.O.ed. If you are in a position where you have the cash to beat the crap out of your disco more power to you, but ours is still to nice. Does that mean it gets parking lot duty. Absolutely not, but does that mean it is going on trail 2 in Tellico. No.

Ron

By Parker on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:38 pm: Edit

Kyle, that is why you go prepared. Don't get me wrong, I can definitely respect what you are saying about getting home. Damn, if I lived over 2000 miles away from where I was wheelin' I would be more willing to use the cable but luckily, I live very close. Building it right and carrying spare parts is key. You know what has more likelihood to break... axles, d-shafts, u-joints etc. Carry these parts religiously and you shouldn't have too big of problems. When I say friendly competition among friends, I'm not talking about the dumbass teenagers with their $2k dollar rigs pointing at you and saying, "go up that". Don't try to keep up with the Jones', challenge yourself and your friends. If I break on an obstacle you can laugh all you want but I'm going to fix it right then and there and give it another shot. The challenge of technical driving is why I love this game. I'm never on the skinny pedal more than is necessary. They call it rock "crawlin'" for a reason... It's all about skilled technical driving that is SLOW and CONTROLLED.

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:49 pm: Edit

Yo Parker, I'm as big a fan of winchless off-roading as the next guy, but there comes a time and place where it just makes sense. I don't have a winch on my Disco yet, so there are lots of places that I can only traverse on foot. I don't want to, and may not be able to, pay for an off-road recovery if I get stuck in a place like Pritchett Canyon, and there's no friendlies around to save my winchless ass. I've been in several situations where I ventured a little to deep in the mud, or a little too far down the rocks. I've gotten out after a lot of shovel time, and also by idiot pedal and torn up tires. A winch would have solved all these issues. Everyone first tries driving up a difficult obstacle, and then backs off and winches if need be. If you drive up to a bedrock outcrop and say, "Awwwww...I can't handle it, break out the winch" without even trying, then there's no way you're even a contender for the pre-trail breakfast meeting challenge.

Don't get me wrong - my pride as a Disco owner runs as deep as anybody's, and I LOVE it when I reach the top amid clouds of dust and debris and look down on everyone else (particularly the Wranglers) and can say "In your face!!!"

By Tom on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:51 pm: Edit

I'm bored, can't we just compare lockers some more and stop talking about all this stuff?

Tom

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:53 pm: Edit

Tom, meet me in the non-tech section and I'll draw you some more smiley faces.

By Parker on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 02:59 pm: Edit

"Awwwww...I can't handle it, break out the winch" without even trying, then there's no way you're even a contender for the pre-trail breakfast meeting challenge.


I couldn't agree more.

By mrbieler on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 03:01 pm: Edit

Wasn't implying that you need to break out the cable at the first sign of trouble. Good driving technique and understanding your vehicle gets you a long way and when people see good technique, they know it. It just seems that most people only view the winch as an emergency recovery device and not as an off-road tool.

While it's cool to get your vehicle over the rock slab using horsepower, traction, skill, and a bit of luck, your sure look silly when you get up there leaving a trail of sheet metal, burnt rubber, a pool of coolant, and part of our drive shaft.

I don't have a winch on the truck yet either, but if the choice is either to brute force it up an obstacle leaving permenant marks on the trail and a good portion of the truck, or finding another way, I'm willing to scout things out. I know how big my dick is. ;-}

Jeff

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Parker , you are telling me about prepared?? LOL , Man , I am running all thsoe trails with around 300 pounds on the roof rack and the back of the Disco loaded for bear. When things get silly on obstacles its hard to say what will come flying out though..

By RVR OVR on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 03:03 pm: Edit

Bluegill - I don't get it...I am not the one who bashed you for not doing smileys. This shit gets confusing, I thought I had a monopoly on the name Tom...oh well, I'll use my license plate from now on...

Tom

By Parker on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 03:15 pm: Edit

Kyle, WOW, sounds like you carry enough spares to rebuild the whole disco. 300 pounds on the roof rack? Doesn't that get a little tippy?

By danno on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 07:10 pm: Edit

on the 35 note....
i have put a 35x12.5 from a 90 on and the tire is just too fucking big. the picture of me and my disco was with a 2" OME lift with the rear of the Disco Hi-Lifted so the suspension was at full droop. if i wanted 35's i'd get a D90 or a Jeep.
BUT it did look good...:-)

By Mike on Sunday, May 13, 2001 - 10:12 pm: Edit

WOW, what did I start a week ago with my first message!! I hate to let all of you down but I just decided to go with Uniroyal Laredo Lug MT (quiet and more aggressive than GY MT) 235/85. By the way I do have lockers. No matter what you have there is always a rock too big. I will be fine with this set up or I'll move to a smaller rock.