3" RTE spring help

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 03:24 pm: Edit

Ok- I know it's not a disco, but I know a lot of you guys run similar equipment-
Anyone experienced problems withe the RTE 3inchers? Just got back from some 4+ stuff in moab, and all four springs are bent. I have seen, and can live with a little 'lean' in the springs after hard use, but these suckers are really bent.
current setup is as follows.
91RR 4.6L
RTE 3" springs (obviously)
.5" Rockware spacers front and rear
10" travel Rancho 9000's f&r
RTE front radius arms
Fabritron rear trailing arms (they suck)
Rockware rear drop kit
$G bumpstops (still in one piece)
ss brakelines/ custom abs harness f&r
$G front blade w/ warn9000
ARB rear bumper
33x12.5x15 MTR's on AR 15x8's
Rob Dassler's rock sliders
etc...
The springs seem to be bent right in the middle, probably 8 to 10 degrees from center. less than 1500 miles on the springs.
Thought I would ask before calling John.
Thanks in advance
Craig-

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 03:32 pm: Edit

When you say bent do you mean the top and bottom are not parallel or do you mean sagged? Also since you think your fabitrons suck consider selling them to me.

Ron

evilfij(at)yahoo.com

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 03:44 pm: Edit

top and bottom aren't even close to parallel. Yeah I'll sell you the rear arms. I just think that they pivot too far aft, making for a very short arch. email me for further info.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 03:50 pm: Edit

Eeeek , fabritron rear arms!! What kinda hieght did you lose from the spring thing and what exactly brought this on? Anything in particular or just something you noticed after the fact?

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 04:08 pm: Edit

Ya but the Fabitrons are "cool" so I want them.

Craig check your email

Ron

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 04:11 pm: Edit

Yeah, I know, I know fabricrap.

I can't recall any certain event that may have caused such a result. The vehicle perfomed extremely well for all four days. p, spider/ spike/g.b. rim/amasa back/ etc... suspension definetely got a workout. my rear driveshaft has not been replaced yet, and is causing the springs to vibrate in the perches, so I took the springs out after the trip to see if I could isolate the springs any better.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 04:12 pm: Edit

Ron, heading to lunch-

I'll get back to you by email later today

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 04:18 pm: Edit

So just the rears bent or the fronts too? The only thing I could think of was that the cones did not reseat the springs correctly and that caused the deformation. Are the tips of the Rockware cones bent? Could not decifer if you had cones in the back or just retaining straps.

Ron

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 04:41 pm: Edit

It would have had to been the bind that did it. When one side is dropped and that other is stuffed , things get all fucked up in there on the stuffed side. I havnt had any problems with mine at all , but then again , I dont have that "Cool" ass drop shit....

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By John on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 04:51 pm: Edit

I personally think its a heat treating problem with that set of springs. Too many springs have been used with good results including mine with now about 15,000 miles of often hard use.I have had one other customer that had 1 rear spring bend and its more than likely a heat treating problem. Springs are hot wound then heat treated for tensile strenght. With improper tensile strenght the spring will bend like that.I replaced the other customers rear springs(both) and will do likewise with you Craig. If I have a product problem, I fix it....Thanks

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 04:58 pm: Edit

Ron- yeah I have to cones. never given me a problem. everything is still positioned correctly, and the springs a reseating perfectly. have not had a chance to check the fronts yet, but still don't look right.

Kyle- i agree, it's defenitley from compression. I have run OME's/ BM's/ $G and now RTE's. never had this problem before. Seems as though the spring does not compress evenly, and starts to bend before the individual coils are touching. bumpstops line up well, and have always done the job on major stuffage. springs have only settled about .5". I guess, they're bent, so who knows how they settled.
I guess you could call dropshit "cool", but it wasn't me.

coilovers=cool

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 04:58 pm: Edit

LOL , there ya go. But what I am saying John is that it probably got bent when it got all distorted. You know the distortion I am talking bout here. It sure does look "Cool" though... :) Yeah , that was probably a step child set....


Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 05:00 pm: Edit

EEEEK , coil overs ???? I have some there at the house on the Disco. Take my word , Johns shit is much better....

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 05:01 pm: Edit

John, thanks for the help, I'll give you a call later. Don't get me wrong, I love them! about ready for your new links as well.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 05:35 pm: Edit

Kyle sure does get scared easily.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 05:44 pm: Edit

Scared of garbage...... :) Be afraid , be very afraid....

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 07:31 pm: Edit

Kyle- want to elaborate on your coilovers. I agree that they can be scary, but this rig will soon be a trailer queen. I think that John's stuff is by far the best for some who still wants a decent truck to drive. I'm just tired of a grand here two grand there etc..., and not really getting what I want out of it. swayaway.com has a cool section on their site about choosing the right coilovers, and how they should be applied to individual vehicles. Thanks for the help earlier.
I'm just happy I got through so many posts without a dealer comment.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 07:45 pm: Edit

Dealer? You mean a crack dealer? Talk to Mike. :) As far as the coil overs go , they aint all that bad I suppose. Its just that the one problem that they really have is the most annoying thing on earth. When Ho originally had the thing set up it was hard to get a single spring of the right length and rate to fit on the coil carrier so he ended up getting what was readily available (Two springs per carrier) where these two springs meet there is a coupler of sorts and that bastard rubs all over the threads of the shock body. As I am sure you are already guessing , that coupled with solid joints at each end makes a noise like some chineese torture. I was talking to Ho earlier about getting a single spring for each carrier , that would make the thing much more bearable.
Off road I have no complaints at all and for a trailer queen I am sure you would be satisfied. I figure I am going to give these things one decent shot at working on/off road before I throw them out the same window the airforce one/fabritron rear links/$G "THree link" etc etc should be thrown out of....

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 08:18 pm: Edit

Mmmmm crack.

seriously- if you ever have any trouble with your local dealer(s) give me a shout.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Gil Stevens (Gil) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 08:31 pm: Edit

why?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 09:21 pm: Edit

You know as well as I do. most LR centres don't want to deal with much aftermarket. No offense intended, just offering to help when I can.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 09:34 pm: Edit

Craig , I am pretty sure he doesnt know that you work for LR there in CO...

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 09:54 pm: Edit

sorry, forgot about that part. I didn't want to blatantly plug a dealer on your site. anyway, I carry a lot of the equipment that is mentioned on this site, and offer some pretty good discounts to club members/ guys who use their rigs/ etc..
Brian J. had his 4.6 done hear(not like he had a choice) but he got a screaming deal.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Gil Stevens (Gil) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 09:55 pm: Edit

No, I had no idea, but that clears it up alot. I was just curious as to what you meant. I work for LR in CT......:)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 09:57 pm: Edit

Just dont pull a Justin Craig.... :)

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 10:09 pm: Edit

What the hell happened to that kid? anyone spoke with him recently?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ho Chung (Ho) on Wednesday, May 23, 2001 - 01:37 am: Edit

kyle, just found out today that the dual coil thing is better than a single one. the single long coil would be even worse. because the coil would be so long, when squashed, it'd distort and touch the shock body.

you'd be better off with the plastic or teflon coated ring touching the shock body.

so, throw out the window the idea of one single coil.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, May 23, 2001 - 10:00 am: Edit

Hmmm , but , I dont think that would matter on road. Off road who gives a shit , there are so many other things moaning and groaning anyway.

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By craigh on Wednesday, May 23, 2001 - 01:54 pm: Edit

hey guys-

did you look at the swayaway charts. go to
www.swayaway.com
choose 'coil rate calculations' from the sidebar and read on. I'm not sure if factory locations are going to work on a coilover setup. It is one of the first topics on that page. figure 3 is about the closest thing to a rover rear layout i could see.
Craig


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