By LR Max on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 04:09 pm: Edit

Hi. My old Stock Michelins are about to die, and I am thinking of getting some new, more aggressive tires (well, I gotta get new tires anyway). Some people say that BFG Trac Edges are good, and that a BFG All-Terrain is good, but my main concerns are:
1. Getting 235/70/R16's. These are the biggest I can fit on my Disco. Currently, my disco is in stock form.
2. Noise. I've heard that BFG Mud-Terrains howl when you go fast. I don't need any extra noise in the already noisy disco.
3. Price. Well, its always about price (so omit those Super Swampers!!!). But I might bite the bullet for REALLY good set of tires.
4. Life. If I get new tires, I want them to last a Looooooooooong time. I've heard that BFG All-terrains have a good life.

So, any input will be welcomed from any angle (except modifying the truck, reasons will not be discussed here). Thank you

By Troy on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 04:39 pm: Edit

I guess tire noise is relative, but I never thought my BFG MTs were much louder than the stock michelins. Go with a 225/75r16. It's roughly the same size as stock & there is NO trimming needed (side note:all the TReK D1s ran that size BFG MTs). You can expect 40-50k miles out of BFG MTs. I ran the TracEdges, too, & IMO are currently the best all-around tire -- only 2 ply sidewall, though.

Also, rumor has it(though its been flying around awhile) that the new BFG MTs will be out in August & the center lugs may be siped?!
my 2 cents-
Troy
Troy

By Chris Browne on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 05:31 pm: Edit

Dunlop MT is available in 235/70 16
We should expect more manufacturers to use this size since its used on the new j##p cuteute

By JCabrera on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 07:44 pm: Edit

Pirelli Scorpion A/T 235/70/16. Very unexpenside ($90’sh each). They have been very good off-roading in Florida and now very decent off-roading in California. A lot quieter than Michellin Stock. I have probably 27K on them and I might get another 25K. But that's just me.

By Wesley on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 06:34 am: Edit

Before my lift, as it states in the tech section under tires, I ran BFG AT 245/70-16 with absolutely no rubbing.
Wesley

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 09:41 am: Edit

Don't forget the Dunlop Radial Rover R/Ts in 225/75 R16.. I have them and they are pretty good all around tire.. Little bit more noise but not too bad..

By LR Max on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 04:11 pm: Edit

O.k. I have looked at your suggestions (thank ya'll for ya'lls input) and have looked a the Perrelli Scorpions and the Dunlop Tires.

Scorpions-Is there any difference between the S/T and the A/T? There is a 20 $$$$ Difference, that is as much as I can tell

Dunlop-Is there a Difference between the Radial Rover A/Ts and the Radial Rover RTs? The A/T is in my size, and would still like to get the 235/70/r16s.

Also, does anyone have any input on BFG All-Terrains??

Thanks in advance.

By Sean on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 09:39 am: Edit

I just bought a set of Dunlop Radial Rover A/T's and am happy with them. The road noise is the same as the stock XPCs and the price was more than right (I believe around $68 ea. at Discount Tire) I needed a tire that behaved well on-road and still had the ability to handle some of the trails here in AZ. These fit the bill nicely. The money I saved will allow me to purchase all the planned upgrades (suspension, tires, motor, etc.) in the future. I just have to convince my wife that they are needed. Just my 2 rupies.

By gp (Garrett) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 10:57 am: Edit

The Rover R/T's have a much more aggressive tread pattern and lugs than the A/T's. They are also fitted so that you can add studs to them for winter driving. But they only come in the larger 245/75 size. Would have to do a little trimming to get them to fit nicely. Not sure about the Pirelli's but I am sure there is a difference in tread pattern. Check to the load rating on these tires too as they will vary from tire to tire with the same name. Heard good things about the BFG's as well. My dad has the beefier Pirelli's on his J**P and they seem to do well as far as in the snow and on pavement manners. He does not take it off road at all.

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 11:46 am: Edit

Dunlop link: http://www.dunloptire.com/tires/Rover_rt.html

Pirelli link:
http://pirelli.pearlcomm.com/pneumatici/USA_Site/Product/scorat.htm

The Pirelli AT is more aggresive than the ST...

BFG AT's are great tires, too.

By lynden on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 12:24 pm: Edit

Sean,
Where do you live. I've seen the Dunlops and they seem like pretty good tires, tirerack has pretty good prices on them. What I'm wondering about is snow. I live in Spokane WA and we get snow here, also the whole family skis so we're in the snow a lot. I'm pretty sure any mud tire will throw snow and get good grip, just wondering if you've had any experience with snow.
Thanks,
Lynden

By Ron on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 12:27 pm: Edit

Real MTs suck in snow unless you are dealing with inches on the ground (I can vouch for this), R/T are supposed to be great in snow/winter conditions (dunlop actually lists them with their snow tires).

Ron

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 12:32 pm: Edit

especially if you take the time to screw in those snow studs...

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 12:33 pm: Edit

Have no direct experience witht the Dunlop R/T's in snow, only in mud, sand, and rock, and of course on black top.

I think they are a very very good tire. Self clean well, have good traction on wet roads, and handle well all around. They are similar in design and function to the BFG Trac Edge. I am much happier with these then I have been with the BFG AT tire.

Jeff

By RVR OVR (Tom) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 12:47 pm: Edit

"Real MTs suck in snow unless you are dealing with inches on the ground"

Ron - My MT's are about as real as they get (swampers). They were very good in Chicago snow, but only because I had them siped. Siping is a good way to get a real MT tire and have good snow performance. Have you tried this? I am wondering if it just the swampers that do so well.

Tom

By Scott H on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 04:23 pm: Edit

I have the dunlop RT's and they are great in the snow, I was up in vermont last year and it snowed a foot in 24 hours, no problem. oh, I don't have them studded.

By LR Max on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 04:35 pm: Edit

Thank you all for more input (always need more of that!!). I have been thinking about the BFG Trac-Edges and the feedback on those reflect. As for the Dunlop Radial Rover R/Ts, the only thing that I am concerned about is that they don't have a 235/70/R16. I REALLY want to stick to this tires size. Also, if (BIG if, but probably a easily blown over if) I do get a R/T, which size will give the the same diameter of my stock XPCs? Also note that I am not too big on trimming...

As for my location, I am in Charlotte, N.C. If it snows here, the whole city shuts down. 2 inches of snow is like being behind enemy lines: Most people are afraid to do anything (except the children!).

On the last note, how much (average) do the R/Ts cost? How about those BFG Trac-Edges? Plus, do the Trac-Edges come in 235/70/R16? Thanks to all.

LR Max

P.S. Any more feedback is welcomed

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 05:01 pm: Edit

Trac-Edges don't come in 235/70 R16.. They do come in 225/75 R16 as do the Rover R/Ts which will fit with no cutting.. They are just a hair taller (barely even notice) and a little more narrow (10mm) then the stock Mich.. I found that none of the tires I wanted come in 235/70 R16 so I went with the 225/75 R16 Rover R/Ts.. The only thing that I noticed is they are a little louder at highway speed and I don't know if it is me or not but, it seems to me that I have a little better turning radius then before. That is probably just me thinking it does rather then it actually being the case. I do really like these tires though and will get a bigger size once I get a lift.

By Sean on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 06:57 pm: Edit

Lynden,
I live in Tucson, AZ.

I did not get a chance to make it to Mt. Lemmon this past winter to check snow performance. I have driven on the roads when it rained and they performed remarkably well. I know, you can laugh about driving on wet pavement but Bluegil can attest, the AZ roads suck when it rains. All of the oil that is baked out of them just makes them that much more slick when you add water. I grew up in Indiana (20 miles north of the Badlands in Attica) and the only thing worse than wet AZ roads were the 2 inches of ice covering the Indiana roads in Febuary. Anyway, the Radial Rover A/T's handled the wet pavement as well as the stock XPC's did, they were just much more affordable at the time of replacement.

By lynden on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 07:47 pm: Edit

Thanks for the input everyone. I think I'll try the dunlops. I really like the BFG's but to save some $ I'll probably go w/ the Dun's. Now, what size is the biggest I can run. I've read the tech. but if I remember right they don't have the Dun's in the largest size listed (245 70/16). I imagine a 235 75 would work and be a little taller but would I even notice the difference in height. I want a more aggressive look than the stock Mich's have now. Also, I 4 wheel almost every weekend and will spend lots of time in snow every winter. Thanks again.
Lynden

By gp (Garrett) on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 05:17 am: Edit

for prices check out these good sites. the best that i have found over the years.

www.etires.com
www.tirerack.com
www.discounttiredirect.com

etires has free shipping all the time and has the free road hazard warranty with road side assistance for 2 years.

for the Rover R/T's you are looking at $121.00/each at the most on these sites. that includes shipping too.

By nick on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 05:41 am: Edit

How about the pirelli S/T 255/65-16 on a stock 96 DI ,mostly driven onroad(unfortunately) are there any fit problems? This the stock DII size.
Anyone using this size?