By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 06:33 am: Edit

i was thinking last night, what vehicle would i buy if LR never were.

i settled on the land cruiser... any one else ever think about this?


-rd

By MTB on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 07:09 am: Edit

Rob
good ? Just thinking that there if LR was never were would be a nightmare but I would say I'd go with a older LC, Internl. scout or older Cheep. Please don't put those thoughts in my mind. .

Michael B

By Steve (Steve2) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 07:28 am: Edit

a holden jackaroo. or it's stateside name would be isuzu trooper.

steve

By Mike W. on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 07:34 am: Edit

i would get a horse...

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 07:49 am: Edit

i had a '91 trooper and loved it dearly... but it just couldn't take the kind of off highway use the disco can...

it's been my impression that 30% of disco owner i've talked to owned a trooper before their disco.

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 09:20 am: Edit

Old Scout, Old bronco (very old), or a Jeep Wrangler, CJ some thing along those lines.

By Murray (Cdnrvr) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 10:49 am: Edit

older 4 Runner (late 80's) or Land Cruiser ... after that, would rather have a bus pass Funny thing I saw today, some guy off roading in a late 80's Iroc Camaro. He was just taking a run at everything and what he couldn't get up with speed, he just backed out with his buddies pushing and tried it again ... if I didn't have to run, I would have stuck around or atleast taken a picture.

By Redsrover (Redsrover) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 12:45 pm: Edit

Last year of the TLC FJ60 for me.

By randall phelps (Randall) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 01:44 pm: Edit

i too owned a trooper before my disco. but i cant agree with the other guys. the trooper was crap. underpowered, WAY underpowerd. something always was breaking on the thing. in fact, the 6th breakdown was my reason for deciding to buy a real suv, (now that i have my disco, im thankful)... but truthfully, if i had to betray my disco and drive another 4x4, there would be not other choice but a Hummer.

By gil on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 01:48 pm: Edit

84-85 solid axle toyota 4-runner.

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 02:19 pm: Edit

If it's a "replacement" for the Discovery, a solid axle 4Runner or an IH Scout.

If I couldn't have the 88" IIA, I would like another 1968 Kaiser CJ5 like I used to run around in. That little guy was a go getter.

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 03:05 pm: Edit

yeah , i mean no land rovers at all K

it seems the trend is to pick a vehicle that still has the solid axel,but most are going for no creature comforts... that's where the big dilema is for me. sure i could get and old bronco or jeep, but that are not my idea of a daily driver...

wait i just figured it out... i'd get an x-terra


-rd

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 03:12 pm: Edit

Sorry, I am ANTI-NISSAN MAN.

I still off-road with the Xterra Club locally as they are nice guys, but my Nissan Frontier 4x4 (on which the Xterra is built) is in the process of being Lemon Law'd. I won't touch a Nissan product.

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 04:30 pm: Edit

hmm, well i just figured the x-terra looks kinda like a disco so it probably goes like a disco

By Jeff on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 04:50 pm: Edit

I know I would still be driving Micro-Busses if it weren't for Land Rover.

By michel on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 07:35 pm: Edit

I would seriously consider the mercedes Gwagon. With a bit of help I think I could make it do what the disco does. Good size, good traction, good power, we'll built (full frame), and classy.

Michel

By Jens Stoermer on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 10:31 pm: Edit

You mean
http://www.extrem-motorsport.de/presse/4wheelfun/framesfuldag2.html

or
http://www.extrem-motorsport.de/presse/4wheelfun-g.html
??
:-))
regards
Jens Stoermer

By MTB on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 03:02 am: Edit

Rob
I like creacher comforts too. I would add them.
That would be another world of mods. I'm glad we don't have to worry about that

Michael B

By David on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 03:36 am: Edit

Arguably, the reason I wanted to get involved in off-road driving was after I drove an LR at one of their courses in VT. I was sold after the first day of off-roading.

If I had not driven an LR, I would have remained an SUV-bitter person. And probably would have bought another Outback and remained a 'sensible' wagon driver. The ability of the vehicle sold me on a new sport...

The poster child for LR....

By Bud on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 03:56 am: Edit

Pre 1960 Willy's Overland Wagon, or a 1966 Bronco. Owned both. Never should have gotten rid of either. Waaaahhhh!!!!

Bud

By John on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 04:04 am: Edit

I would still driving my old chevy pick up hunting and fishing every weekend instead of now working on weekends making LR'er parts.

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 04:15 am: Edit

but john...

you wouldn't have become a millionare sitting on your ass

hehe

Gwagen would be my choice over the toyota if the price was sane...

rd

By John on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 05:20 am: Edit

No rich relatives in my family...maybe my dog as he never gets bills in the mailbox.He likes riding in my chevy pickup better than the rovers anyway...must be that dont worry about mud, hair and he gets the front seat to shake water off.

By Paul on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 06:01 am: Edit

Late 80's Ford F150. A bit wide, but very good vehicles...

Used them in Alaska, Nevada, Colorado, and Idaho for exploration field vehicles.

By gp (Garrett) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:22 am: Edit

I would have to go with a 4Runner. But lets not think like this......it will cause me bad karma!!!! Comfortable enough, big enough, decent milage, decent looks, off road worthy, but still Japanese though. And they all look like they are taking a dump with the rear end sag.

By nadim on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:22 am: Edit

Gwagen!

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:25 am: Edit

Yeah, but with a nice used 4Runner, you have possibilities like this:

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:35 am: Edit

Range Rover!

By michel on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:39 am: Edit

Yes, jen thats the one I mean.

Michel

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 07:50 am: Edit

HUH!!!! Range Rover???? No Land Rover = No Range Rover...

By Andy Nix (Andy) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 08:17 am: Edit

some people have NO IDEA that Range Rover and Discovery are made from the same company, I run into that every time a non-disco owner finds out what I drive, because they think it's a RR.

I'd own a scout for 4x4ing or an old OLD toyota

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 09:17 am: Edit

Range Rover? What a dumb-ass! Everyone knows that Land Rover makes the Discovery and the Range Rover. Now me, if there was no more Land Rover, I'd have to go with a Defender 90...

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 09:18 am: Edit

and yes, I'm being facetious (as I'm sure Dean was)

By Bud on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 09:24 am: Edit

On second thought, maybe a bicycle.

Bud

By nadim on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 09:25 am: Edit

Gwagon, Unimog, nothing else can barely rival the Discovery and Defender respectively (unimog fans...sorry, but I AM biased!)
nadim

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 09:26 am: Edit

I wouldn't say every body... Most of the people that I work with think that I drive a Range Rover. Even after I tell them the difference they still don't get it.

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 09:47 am: Edit

Eric is right - I was looking for a new front bumper when I first bought the Disco, and the highly-trained dumb-ass in the "specialized after-market off-road parts store" spent 15 minutes searching for parts for the Toyota Land Rover Discovery. Everyone else always asks me how my Range Rover is doing. I tell them I'll sell them my Range Rover for only $40k - what a deal. I was kidding with the "everybody knows..." If I really had to get a non-Land Rover 4x4, I'd go with that new Freelander thingy - it looks pretty cool.

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 10:02 am: Edit

Ahhh, you want that new Range Rover CRV-si do ya

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 10:53 am: Edit

Hmm, I think I might go for a Volvo Valp. Butt ugly, but cool.... sort of like a Viking Pinzgauer..

By Andy Nix (Andy) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 11:08 am: Edit

I'd go for a Toyota Pathfinder, or a Toyate Range Rover..

LOL

By Roverine on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 11:24 am: Edit

hmmmm, for me: (not speaking for dh)
I started out with horses. Sold them to go to college. I've had an F150 ('78), then a Trooper ('89). I actually started to cry when I sold the Trooper and watched it being driven away (but I made sure it went to a good home - best damn vehicle I ever owned). I used to lust after the old Toyota Land Cruisers (late 70's & early 80's). Since this is a DREAM we're talkin about here, my choice now would be a GWagon.

Kim
Still in bonding process with my new Disco

By Roverine on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 11:44 am: Edit

Duh, correction: I think I meant the the old Toyota Land Rovers ... when I was in college, a freind of mine's boyfriend had a Toyota Land Rover. When he left (in someone else' vehicle) without her to go to the Colorado River for a 3 day weekend, she took it, & 3 more of us on a little trip of our own - we drove down to Newport Beach (So.CAL.) from about 40 miles inland via a an old river bottom/wash complete with areas of "quicksand" and deep foliage & brush. Woohoo!! (Glory days)

Kim

By al hang on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 11:49 am: Edit

cj-8 scrambler or one of aev conversions, a tj most likely if i had to buy new. as long as i have my solid axles i will be happy :-)

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 11:49 am: Edit

i feel your pain over the loss of your trooper.

mine was on the way out so i decided the only vehicle i would replace it with was a disco.

i was driving it to the dealer which is an hour away and letting it sit at a nearbuy shopping center so i could come and drive it in the next morning and it would be running fine

well the starship trooper, knew it was almost over.. so on the way there she caught on fire and burned along the side of the highway, letting me get full insurance replacemnet value. i guess she couldn't stand to see anyone else drive her so she did her self in.

-rd

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 12:00 pm: Edit

LOL , you found a good use for a trooper... If you light it on fire it might keep you warm

Kyle

By Roverine on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 12:11 pm: Edit

Yep, I almost didn't sell it. It only had 79K miles on it (I used to have a company car also). Like I said, it went to a good home, with a responsible kid that absolutely loves it. I sold it to him with good BFG tires and I left my CB built into it and gave him the K40 antenna that he could screw and unscrew from the roof, and various other goodies. Well, I'm going to draw fire here if I keep going on ...

Kim

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 02:09 pm: Edit

oooh that was low Kyle

A couple of years ago I was actually in a brand new '99 Trooper and about to drive off the lot when the salesman asked when I'd be by to pick up my jeep. I told the dumb-ass that we just spent the last 5 hours working "the deal", which included him taking the jeep off my hands, paying the last 4 lease payments, and returning it to the leasing company. He said, uh-oh, we gots to rework da numbas on this deal...don't worry, it'll just be a few mo dollas... They had to call in the sales manager and all the other salesmen to get me to stop throwing things and threatening the dumb-ass. After I hand-shredded my file and threw it all over the sales floor, we agreed to let me leave peacefully and they wouldn't call the police.

I drove by 2 days later in my shiny Disco, pulled up to the main sales door, honked, flipped 'em all the bird, and drove over their gravel & cobble landscaping on my way off the lot. I love a happy ending.

By dburress on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 04:51 pm: Edit

1990 Lamborghini LM002 American rosso red

http://www.motorcities.com/contents/99HHL483217052.html

Factory Specifications
Engine: 5.7 liter V-12
Horsepower: 450 Bhp
0-60 mph: 8.5 sec
Top Speed: 126 mph
Curb Weight: 5,900 lb
Length: 495 cm
Width: 200 cm
Tires: 345x17

Why settle?

By Anode on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 08:30 pm: Edit

F**K that Italian shit: I would have to go with my old '71 IH Travellall 1 ton 4x4. It would move a house! not too good on a tight trail, but comfortable and it pulled the Scout A600 behind it like it wasn't there! A600 was a primo off road beast...

By MTB on Monday, July 23, 2001 - 10:47 pm: Edit

One I sure everyone forgot about nothing like those modified four wheel drive Pinto's For the ones who never had the privlage Oh my what your missing

By Bud on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 01:39 am: Edit

Ah! The LM002. Now there's a purpose-built rig for ya! See how they cleverly placed the brush bar BEHIND the fenders to keep from getting it scratched when off-roading. Got to admit though....that thing could probably whip my a** climbing curbs at the Mall. ;>)

Bud

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 05:16 am: Edit

Had the chance to play with an LM002 at Barrett Jackson auto auction a few years ago. That is one bad-ass beast. They were made for the ultra-rich Saudi oil barons to play with out in the desert. The damn tires were life rafts.

I don't think it could hold a candle to Bud's SII on the mall curbs, though

By Roverine on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:37 am: Edit

Okay, I think I've found the ultimate mallcrawler ... This could possibly beat Bud's ... Would be especially handy in heavy traffic during a major sale ...

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:42 am: Edit

How come no one wants an AMC Eagle?

By Roverine on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:47 am: Edit

Sorry, guess I need to work on my 'puter literacy some. One more try ... the ultimate mallcrawler :

By Jon E. Yermo (Jon) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:52 am: Edit

If anyone's dream involves a 1991 V6 3.0 Mitsubishi Montero LWB 5 door, I've got one for sale. Honest to goodness, that truck and the '86 3 door SWB I had before it were great cars. Running stock, they went forever and kept up with Land Cruisers and the like - no serious rock crawling or anything of course.

These are the vehicles that used to take me to the Tabac on Polk street to buy my LRO magazine every month before I finally broke down and bought my dream car - a V8i Discovery 1. God bless those ***tbox Japanese trucks!

Jon

By Roverine on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 08:58 am: Edit

Alright, I can't upload the pic. If anyone cares to view, go to this link and scroll to "For True Road Warriors". You can then click on a bar to view ....

http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,26958,00.html

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 09:01 am: Edit

Roverine, this should be your pic:

By [email protected] on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 09:09 am: Edit

Sorry Jon. Already have an '89. I've heard rumors that they aren't too bad off-road. Sitting at 175K right now and purring like a kitty. Not LR or LC, but a decent ride that might get me through some snow.

Bud, husband of Disco owner.

By Joshua Bova (Jbova) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 09:18 am: Edit

Bill, I too love a happy ending. Very funny, I am a member of the x-Troopers owners club. I donated my 89 wit 217,000, I had patched the thing up so many times in the last year that I owned it was ridiculous. I finally had the thing running great, I took it to NC, had it out on the beach and all was well, I was actually getting 22mpg in it even with big BFGs. a month later a catalytic converter collapsed and caused enough back pressure to burnt up a couple exhaust valves.

Anyway, no LR? If money is no object, I may consider a decommissioned hum-vee or an older Land Cruiser. Though I like Bud owned a Willy's Overland Wagon 1954. That was a cool truck but not the reliability that I look for.

-josh

By Ron on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 09:52 am: Edit

Hmm, I think I might go for a Volvo Valp. Butt ugly, but cool.... sort of like a
Viking Pinzgauer..

Yes Valp 303

Portals like a mog, only meaner and with a better heater

hehehehehehehehe

Ron

By Anonymous on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 09:54 am: Edit

how about one of these?

By Roverine on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 10:22 am: Edit

Looks very fuel efficient!

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 10:29 am: Edit

yes, but how will it do in the Krispy Kreme Slinky Challenge?

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 11:03 am: Edit

it will eat more KK's than anyone else (except me)

By Wes Legaspi (Wes) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 11:10 am: Edit

it looks like it will do pretty well, look at the tire clearance!!!

By JCabrera on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 08:42 pm: Edit

GWAGON

By Danny on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 08:00 am: Edit

Partridge Family psychadelic school bus, with lockers.

By gp (Garrett) on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 08:47 am: Edit

in that case i am going with the cheech and chong 'all weed' truck with the 'smokin' bumpers!!!

meeeeelllllloooooowwwwww

By Leslie on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 02:47 am: Edit

A Jeep Grand Wagoneer is pretty much a leaf-sprung Range Rover Classic. IF I couldn't have my Disco, I'd go back to the Wag.

If I can't have my 88", then I'd go w/ a CJ-2a.

-L

By Bud on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 02:50 am: Edit

Leslie - I can't believe you just said that. Wash your mouth out with soap! ;>)

Bud

By Leslie on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 03:15 am: Edit

Bud,

I used to terrorize everyone else on the road when I had a 70's Trans Am... after I got married, though, I needed something respectable, more of a family car, but I didn't like sedans, etc., so I got a Cherokee. Decent vehicle. Because of that, though, I became interested in 4x4s.

When the time came for a second vehicle, I got a Wagoneer. It's big, looks like a land-barge, but let me tell ya... that thing will out-wheel a stock CJ...

Life was fine and good, and then it happened... I saw a Defender... Then I found out how much they cost... all while I was an undergrad on a penny-budget... BIG bummer.

But, I rather quickly learned about the Defender's predecessor, the Series, and I was hooked. Finally found a beater of an 88"; it's just a step above 'heap', but I still love that ol' rotten thing. It'll go anywhere, you just take all day to do it.

The Cherokee, we got rid of it. I got a decent job, and needed a better driver, and found a deal so I bought my Disco. Now I'm needing to find a home for the Wag.

I still like Jeeps, but I love Land Rovers. They're both competent 4x4s. No arguments, the Rover, left stock, will eat a stock Jeep, and most of the modified ones, too. But here at work we have a motorpool of Jeep Cherokees to use on mine sites, and they hold up much better than the Explorers or Jimmys that we used to have here. I keep trying, but I just can't convince this state agency to buy a fleet of Tdi130 crew-cabs for field work!

-L

By Leslie on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 03:31 am: Edit

Oh, specifics:

Jeep Wagoneer body: 1962-1992
Range Rover Classic: 1970-1995

JW: Square, boxy stying - built for function
RRC: same

JW: usually 4-door, sometimes 2-dr.
RRC: same

JW: serious chassis underneath
RRC: same

JW: AMC V8 (usually a 360); sometimes had Buick engines (oh, and many had the 258 inline 6)
RRC: either a diesel or the Rover/Buick V8

JW: sometimes a manual, but usually an auto 727TF
RRC: same (used the 727TF before the ZF)

JW: many had the Borg-Warner Quadra-trac full-time 4x4 dual-range transfer-case
RRC: used a B-W fulltime dual-range x-case, too (hmm I wonder how different their internals are)

JW: available w/ all the extras (air, power everything, etc)
RRC: same

AND...... (for relevance here.....)
The Discovery (at least the S1) is essentially a RRC with a modified body.

IMHO.

-L

By Bud on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 06:19 am: Edit

I see your comparison now. I've driven a Wagonner, and owned a RR Classic. I couldn't seem much comparison. About a month after we got the RR ('89) which was 8 years old at the time, my lovely bride said she didn't want to drive anything else. New RR's are way out of the budget, hence the D2. I almost landed an ex-MOD SIII a few months back, until she reminded me that it would also be her "back-up" and needed to be an auto tranny. Some day.

Bud

By Stephen on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 07:03 am: Edit

I think a Volvo cross country, I guess. I had a Toyota sr5 extracab - that was great - maybe one of those again.

By Mario Mullen on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 07:57 am: Edit

HUMMER!!

Mario

By Leslie on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 08:09 am: Edit

Bud,

Teach her to drive a stick!!!




-L

By discoman on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 05:08 pm: Edit

How about a old Dodge Power Wagon, They are ugly and can go almost anywhere

By Anonymous on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 06:54 pm: Edit

D7 Cat - not much for articulation but will go pretty well anywhere ...

By nadim on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 06:55 pm: Edit

D7 Cat...
well, IF, and that is a big IF, but yet an IF nonetheless...you get stuck?...what do you plan on doing?...keeping it there?

By Anonymous on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 06:57 pm: Edit

that is what a match is for

By Anonymous on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 07:02 pm: Edit

btw Nadim - that was my recovery vehicle until the engine went ... shot the dip stick 20 feet out of the block

By nadim on Wednesday, August 01, 2001 - 03:27 am: Edit

LOL...
"...pull!...bang!"
hehehe...

By gp (Garrett) on Wednesday, August 01, 2001 - 04:05 am: Edit

for winter use there is nothing better than a Bombadier Sno-Cat. just a little hard to parallel park them that is all. or how about a Bazoo 6X6 pictured here!!