By Andy Nix (Andy) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 08:50 am: Edit

Somebody wants to pay me ALOT of money for my disco, and I don't know whether to buy a D-90 or another Disco. What are your guys' feelings?

Andy

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 09:00 am: Edit

quantify "ALOT" - if it's good money, then spend some of it on another Disco or D90 and pocket the rest.

By Troy on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 09:14 am: Edit

It all depends on what you want. You can't beat the Disco for best all-around. They're comfortable and good off-road without too much modification. I wheeled a Disco for 3 years before deciding to go with a D90 wagon. For me, it was the right choice for what I was looking for in an "off-road" vehicle -- but, then again, I don't have to spend an hour in it everyday commuting to work.

Of course, my wife now wants another Disco for her-
Troy

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 09:24 am: Edit

I wanted a D-90 but, got a Disco and I still want a D-90... Then again... I could have gotten the D-90 and kicking myself that I didn't get the Disco... I'll just stick with the Disco..

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 09:26 am: Edit

I keeping the Disco and bought a 88" IIA to fill the void in my life....

or is that void in my head?

By Bud on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 10:18 am: Edit

Just keep the Disco you have now. Do you have the number of the person that wants to pay you big bucks for yours?

Bud

By nadim on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 10:20 am: Edit

1 disco
1 d90
1 d110
1 seperate back account!

By JEEPETR on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 10:21 am: Edit

Hey Andy,

What do you want out of the vehicle? The Discovery is an excellent all-around vehicle, very good off-road, and very comfortable on the road. Troy brings up a good point, how far do you commute everyday?

The Defender is considerable less comfortable on the road, though by no means hard to live with if you enjoy this type of vehicle. The Discovery is a excellent Road vehicle, and the Defender is an exceptional off-road vehicle. Evaluate what you want to do with the vehicle to make your decision...

~Scott T.
'95 D-90 (JEEPETR)
'96 Discovery (New addition to the Addiction!)

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:33 am: Edit

Scott what state are you in ?


Kyle

By Andy Nix (Andy) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:49 am: Edit

between 25 and 27k

By Andy Nix (Andy) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:52 am: Edit

Here's the problem, I've got the Disco ALMOST where I want it. I finally got the lift and tires, RTE sliders, quick disconnect, adv rack, bull bar, and stereo, and friday i'm having a flowmaster put in. BUT, For that kind of money, I think I'm going to sell it. D-90 are sweet, especially a yellow one, but if they suck ON road, maybe another discovery will be in order..

Andy

By Andy Nix (Andy) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 11:55 am: Edit

Commute will be 15 minutes each way, and good wheeling is about 1 hour drive.

Andy

By Ron on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 12:29 pm: Edit

Drive one first.

Some people think its great (90%of these people own or owned a series rover) some can't stand it, others tolerate it for the capability, look, and feel.

For 25k you would be looking at about a 70k 94 or 80k 95 ST. Seems to be quite a few offroader D90s in the 25k range that have come up but no cream puffs. Doubt you would find a nice wagon for that. Parts are no cheaper than disco parts.

Cheers
Ron

By Gil Stevens (Gil) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 01:58 pm: Edit

tell them that they can buy my Disco for 27K.....

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:01 pm: Edit

Andy, what's the year and mileage on your Disco?

By Troy on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:56 pm: Edit

Ron's right about driving one first (in the rain if it's a soft-top) & about prices. You can find some good deals if you're patient and do your homework. I've seen 3 '94 STs with <80k miles in good/solid condition since October running $19k-$22k.
Troy

By C. Ross on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 03:58 pm: Edit

Andy,

Like a few other folks have said, Drive a D90 first. If you want an hard core offroad, with light road duties then a D90 wins. If you're in a State that sees Hot weather and you like to be comfortable (ie: not sweating bullets) Don't buy a Softop D90. If a Softop is what your thinking, if it's AA yellow then a softop is your only choice, Drive one top up/down doors tops off/on, in traffic on the highway A/C on and off etc... Oh and don't count on having to worry about holding a conversation whith anyone while your on the highway b/c it ain't gonna happen. Everytime I drive my D90 to work I realize how much I like my Disco. Sure it's cool getting the looks but after a few 100 times that kinda wears off.
I was having a conversation with a fellow D90 owner today and our consensus was that if you can afford to keep it in the garage and only drive it with the top/doors off then it would be great. Otherwise here in Oklahoma the weather is far too hot for the "knee cooler" air conditioning to help. If you can find a SW for that price they are definitely more comfortable but still not close to a Disco. Hope this helps... PS I've also owned an 97 SW and it was way cool but someone wanted it waaaaayyyy more than I did. I sold it, unsolicited mind you, for an obnoxious amount.

Ross
94 D90 ST with 13K miles
97 Disco LSE
94 Disco "project"
98 Disco LE7 "Mall crawler"
97 Disco SE Rioja..."For Sale"

By C. Ross on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 04:17 pm: Edit

By C. Ross on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 04:21 pm: Edit

I thought that pick would come out better but oh well. Guess which car saw the most action... The D90 was fun without the top, but the 928 got most of the fun trips around town... I wish it was still here. I couldn't convince my wife that we could get by without infant seats for the kiddo's.

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 04:32 am: Edit

Hey is that a 928 S4 or GT.. I almost bought an 1989 928 S4.. Nice car.. My insurance would have been crazy though.

By JEEPETR on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 06:28 am: Edit

Ross,

Your Garage Makes me Jealous!!

Kyle,

I'm in Maryland, but you knew that...

~Scott T.
'95 D-90 (JEEPETR)
'96 Discovery (New addition to the Addiction!)

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 06:51 am: Edit

Scott let me know when your short bus needs a lesson about how capable a disco is...

Kyle

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 07:06 am: Edit

C. Ross -- you have a problem. There is help for people like you. It's called Land Rovers Anonymous, and they meet once a week at YMCA.

-W.M.Gill III
'96 Disco owner and founder of the "Donate Your Land Rovers to My Private Charity Organization"

By JEEPETR on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 09:34 am: Edit

Whatever Kyle,

I long ago grew out of having to prove anything. Besides it must be me that upset you, not my post, as it gave credit to the Discovery as being (And I Quote) "very good off-road.."

You want to teach D-90's a Lesson? Go drop a challenge on the D-90 List, I'm sure you'll find takers. Though I'm not so sure you will be happy with the outcome of such a competition. Once again, I am done with this conversation, though I have a feeling you are not...

~Scott T.

By al hang on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 09:55 am: Edit

you know kyle too well scott.

-al

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 10:34 am: Edit

"The Discovery is a excellent Road vehicle, and the Defender is an exceptional off-road vehicle. Evaluate what you want to do with the vehicle to make your decision..."


It was your post that implies the defender is better at one thing then the disco. That is the generic line that I find pretty silly. I would like to know how you come to that conclusion , thats all. Please enlighten me... Jeep eater..
Kyle

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 10:39 am: Edit

Al , "jeep eater" here is always posting some silly shit. And then , he acts as though he is too good to back any of his statements up. I dont see any other defender owners flapping over here in that same manner . He is local so it would be a good oportunity for him to school me...

Kyle

By C. Ross on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 11:55 am: Edit

That was my garage 3 months ago. The 89 S4 5sp is gone now. It was one of a very few 89 S4 5speeds, from 1990 on all of the 5speeds were GT's.
I stole it for $13K. You can't touch a supercar for that. If I do it right next time I'll have another Porche and a modified Disco for less than the cost of 1 D90. The D90 has hopefully found a new home soon. The red Disco SE in there is probably going to my sister-in-law so that it can continue to be a mall crawler. So my Rover addiction is improving. I was going to convert my 97 LSE into an modified street/trail rig but I bought a 94 Disco 5-speed that will probably become the candidate. It was waayyy cheap. The 94 needs a new transfer case and possibly a tranny so I may convert to an auto...

The goal is to have a modified Disco and have the cash left over to buy another Porsche. Anyway, I've been rather lucky thus far.

Ross
94 Disco currently POS but not for long
97 Disco LSE probably for sale soon
Wanting a 360 spyder F1 settling on something red and fast.

By Troy on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 06:06 pm: Edit

Kyle, in comes a "flapping D90 owner . . ." 8^}

First off, I agree to an extent, a comparably equipped Disco CAN go anywhere a D90 can - ASSUMING a good driver is behind the wheel.

IMO, the D90 is better off-road only as much as it is more forgiving off-road. It is more forgiving because of the short front and rear overhangs, the shorter wheelbase (argumentative, I know), more ground clearance under the door sills, and flat body panels that sit inward of the tires, not outside the tires like on the Disco.

That said, though, I've seen Discos breeze through some sections of Tellico where some 90s got hung up. But, then, take as an example, Helicopter Pad - one of the more technical obstacles at Tellico. I've never seen/heard of a Disco that's run or attempted it- much less without damage (let me know otherwise, I'll come watch or send me the video). I have seen a D90 - which cleaned it. That's not to say a Disco can't do it, just that rarely do you find drivers skilled enough to tackle that kind of obstacle - & rarer still is a skilled enough driver in a Disco to tackle that sort of obstacle (I think guys running those types of obstacles on a regular basis are looking for any advantage they can get to help - the body design of the Disco isn't real advantageous). All things being equal, on a given obstacle, there's more potential for damage in the Disco. You can run the same trails with either truck. You're just going to come home with dents on the Disco before you will the 90 (& I've had my share on both).
Troy

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 04:12 am: Edit

I go along with that Troy , and you post here quite often. Your posts dont have the same flavor Scotts do , at all. Yes it takes a bit more thought to get the disco through , there is no doubt about it. But Scott seems to spit out that generic line "Defenders are superior off road". To this date I have seen more defender fuck ups then I have seen disco fuck ups. I think all that superiority gos to their heads and does nothing for them when they need it most..

I am wanting to do Tellico badly.
Kyle

By Troy on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 04:47 am: Edit

Yeah, me too. I need to get my fix soon . . .

August 24-25th. I don't think I'm going to be able to make it, but it looks like some guys from ONSLRS are going to make a run up lower 2, slickrock and Heli-Pad -- & there's even a Disco going . . . if only I could get out of work . . .
Troy

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 05:05 am: Edit

I am actually heading in the opposite direction that week end...


Kyle

By Anonymous on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 08:20 am: Edit

Kyle,

Tell me when you are ready, and I'll be happy to take my short bus out for a lesson. I'm sure that we could do a weekend to Paragon - Undertaker possibly?

Cheers,

Chuck

By RVR OVR (Tom) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 10:47 am: Edit

Post up when this schooling will take place. I would love to take a trip and join in the fun. Although I have a Disco, I tend to think that the Defender may be a bit better equipped from a geometry perspective when it comes to avoiding damages.

Tom

By Ron on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 10:54 am: Edit

Chuck,

I am there if you want to head up. The guy said something about Pebbles and Bam Bam last time I was there something about needing 33-35s Me thinks Noah (the series) can handle it just fine on 32s though. If nothing else I can use the winch and just drag myself over everything.

Ron

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 11:20 am: Edit

Sure , but we have something going much closer and soon . Maybe you and the short bus wanna come along? I will bring my pencil and paper..

Kyle

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 11:21 am: Edit

Is Jeep Eater a pal of yours? Bring him along as well...


Kyle

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 11:27 am: Edit

Tom if you know what you are doing behind the wheel , damage only comes when it has become acceptable to you. You are in control of your actions and the trucks. If you dont want damage , you wont have it. Its pretty simple really...Its when stop caring that it comes...


Kyle

By RVR OVR (Tom) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 11:53 am: Edit

all true stuff, kyle. it's just that i'm not so good

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 11:57 am: Edit

That statement means that you can be. The big problems are when you think you are and you really arent. Just take your time with everything and you will be fine. When you rush you screw up..

Kyle

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 12:41 pm: Edit

>>>Sure , but we have something going much closer and soon . Maybe you and the short bus wanna come along? I will bring my pencil and paper..

Kyle, you talking about the KKC or do you have a different trail ride coming up? If so where at and when?

By Tom S. on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 01:05 pm: Edit

all in all, we really don't have control of anything. do you know whats gonna happen next?

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 01:13 pm: Edit

Yep , you do. Short of an earth quake . you should know what those wheels are on and how they will react to what they are on. Speed and not paying attention is what causes damage most times. Check it out...

Kyle

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 02:26 pm: Edit

dont forget about fatigue... there comes a point when you cant concentrate as well as when you are fresh, due to everything going to hell in a handbasket.

like when "20 minutes" turns into 12 hours... ya digg?


rd

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 02:32 pm: Edit

Oh yes , very good point Roberto , and coming from a guy that really knows aboutt hat 20 minutes turning into 12 hours...

Kyle

By chrisvonc on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 02:42 pm: Edit

Or when your ass has just plain had enough of Pritchett Canyon kicking it in for 8 hours.
hehe

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 02:56 pm: Edit

LOL,,,,

Kyle

By Andy Nix (Andy) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 03:32 pm: Edit

or it starts raining at dusk on your way back to camp and you have to take a shit.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 03:41 pm: Edit

Um , that gets files under the too much info section...

Kyle

By Anonymous on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 03:56 pm: Edit

What's doin' sooner/closer?

Chuck

By Anonymous on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 04:03 pm: Edit

Ron,

I cannot remember what we ran the last time we were up there, but the rattler I&II were supposed to be the tough trails and I cannot say that we had any problems. Lockers and 33+ would be recommended for those short trails. We had a number of Discos w/ us and none wanted to have a go at it. Would have been cool to see one try it...

We wanted to run some tougher trails, but some zuki boys w/ some tricked out susp. mods got into some harry stuff on some of these trails...

I'd love to try the undertaker or the M trail. Nice size boulders on these short, but day-long trails.

Chuck

PS - thinkin' maybe I should get a username, eh?

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 02:49 am: Edit

Yes , get a user name Chuck. The rattler trails arent that bad from what I hear as I have had friends that ran them in Discos and a rangie. Yeah , we have a little trip at the beginning of september.

Kyle