By lynden on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 10:50 am: Edit

Okay, I know I was just saying the other day that I want bigger tires w/out lifting, but if I can get new springs for around $250 then I might as well do that and get a better price on tires.
So... where is a good place to buy OME springs. How much can I expect to spend??? I'd like to get the RT's but I need new tires by Sept/Oct and don't know how long they'll be on back order.

Thanks guys,
Lynden

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 10:54 am: Edit

damn, what a coincidence!
250? thats' what 4 OME springs cost!!!
hehehe.
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/omenew.htm
go there and youi'll see some coils for you.

i think it's more than fair you buy from me since i got you thinking about taller tires.
LOL

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 10:58 am: Edit

Damn , that was blatant... I dont think I have ever seen a display quite that blatant... damn

Kyle

By lynden on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:03 am: Edit

One question I have though, can I run stock shocks for a little while 'til I save up the coin to but some bilstein's or do I need to go w/ everyting at once???

Also, tirerack has Kuhmo tires for $83 for 235/85, are these tires any good???

Thank you Ho for planting the bug in my head. My wife however will probably not like to hear that I'm lifting her car!
Lynden

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:05 am: Edit

I still aint figured out which Ho that was , was that My Ho or EE Ho?


Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:11 am: Edit

Ho (or John Lee) can you explain to me how with a slightly shorter 280 spring you get 2.2in of lift where as a .2in longer 270 spring you only get 1in? But with a 420 rate you get 2.0in.

The math just does not make sense.

Thanks
Ron

PS do they make anything longer for a 110 rear?
752
Rear
270
Light Duty (unspecified)
17.3"
17.3"
1.0"
755
Rear
280
Medium Duty (440 lbs.)
17.1"
17.1"
2.2"
754
Rear
420
Heavy Duty (660 lbs.)
17.5"
17.1"
2.0"

By Ho Chung at EE (Eeho) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:15 am: Edit

damn,

ho's all over,
i am pretty sure that was your ho.
thanks a lot for the plug.
we appreciate your money.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:17 am: Edit

Damn , I cant give him any shit for that blatant act then....

Kyle

By John Lee on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:26 am: Edit

Ron,

I understand your confusion. Those lift figures are from Old Man Emu's Application Guide, and they aren't necessarily correct. In the paragraphs that follow the tables on the EE site, we state:

"The lift figures are approximations and there are inconsistencies between some the specifications listed. For example, Old Man Emu's application guide states that the 751 gives the Defender 110 1.4" of lift while it gives the Defender 90, a lighter vehicle, only 1.2" of lift. A more drastic example is that Old Man Emu's Application Guide lists the 762 as giving the Discovery Series I and Range Rover Classic 2.0" of Lift with a heavy load, but lists the same spring as giving the Defender 90 only 1.4" of Lift. The rear of the Defender 90 is considerably lighter than that of the Discoveries or Range Rovers and, in our experience, the 762's give the Defender 90 too much lift in the rear."

So, the inconsistencies you highlighted for the 110 figures aren't that unusual. I would love to post accurate figures for the amounts of lift the way we do for the free-standing heights of the springs, but it's really impracticable. We would need to test out numerous springs on several vehicles, and would need the appropriate weight during each test. That sort of test would be too comprehensive for us, and I think, even too much for ARB.

We have to post inaccurate figures, but we decided to post them under the premise that these figures are better than no figures at all. To prevent people from taking the figures too literally, we explained that there are inconsistencies in the tables and stated that in our experience, OME springs lift the vehicle about 1.5" when weighed down with the pertinent load listed in OME's appliation guide, which is fairly true and the best approximation we could provide.

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:30 am: Edit

lynde, you can get springs now and get shocks later.

and wife dont' have to know anything.
if she notices the lift, tell her you got some pumped up tires.

By John Lee on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:32 am: Edit

Lynden,

"can I run stock shocks for a little while 'til I save up the coin to but some bilstein's or do I need to go w/ everyting at once???"

You can run the Woodhead shocks with OME springs for as long as you like. You won't damage your vehicle or anything. Only negatives to this set-up is that the Woodheads give a poor ride because they are not gas charged like the OME and Bilstein shocks are, and you will lose some RTI compared to the OME shocks because the Woodheads are about an inch shorter than the OME shocks (if that even matters to you; I don't know if you are locked or not).

If you believe some of the things you read on this board, combining the taller and stiffer OME springs with the short factory shocks will even increase your articulation. So you have nothing to lose by trying the OME springs and factory shocks.

By Ron on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:36 am: Edit

Are the rates and lengths correct though? And they are strait rates? I mean this is spec for the same truck. Its not like its a D90 v a disco where there could be variance.

I need 3in rear springs at stock weight. John at RTE says not enough demand to stock them and I can get custom one made through him if I want but it is $$$ so I want to figure out what I want first or ideally find an OME that will work ok. I have bearmachs on it now and well, i am displeased.

Thanks
Ron

PS I will stop bugging discoweb with my 110 issues

By Horses Mouth on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:42 am: Edit

"I need new tires by Sept/Oct and don't know how long they'll be on back order."
I heard mid early sept on RTE springs....

By John Lee on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:45 am: Edit

Ron,

I can't vouch for the rates and heights on the 110 springs, as we have never had a 110 spring in the shop. With only 500 110's in North America, there is just not enough demand to stock those springs.

I can say that the heights listed in older OME literature have differed from the heights we have listed for the common springs such as the 751, 762, 779, 764, etc. Those I have actually seen and measured and the figures listed for those springs are correct.

My recommendation would be to go with whatever spring rate you wanted, load up the vehicle the way you want it, and if the height is incorrect (probably too low since you're looking for 3" height), just add a spacer under the spring seat and/or trim packers under the spring perch. That is the only real way to do it, even if you are talking about the common springs like 751 and 762. You can extrapolate all you want with spring rates and loads, but the result rarely comes out as you anticipated.

By Ron on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:50 am: Edit

"I can't vouch for the rates and heights on the 110 springs"

Thats what I was thinking. I just don't want to buy a 17.3in 270 and get a 16in 350 as that will put me back where I am now.

Lot to think about. For the cost of spacers and OME I could get custom the way I want, if I knew what that was

Thanks for the input and honesty,

Cheers
Ron

By lynden on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 12:04 pm: Edit

I'm pretty sure wife will notice me crawling around under the disco all weekend swearing every 5 min. It seems that I'l be able to do tires and lift for cheaper than prices I'be been quoted for tires alone in town here. (tires will be bought at cut rate on the great wide web, also in the size I want and not what they have avail!!!)

Thanks guys, again though, mistake going w/ Kumho tires???
Lynden

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 12:10 pm: Edit

as long as they aren't firestones... guess is ok...

By John on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 12:17 pm: Edit

Ron, what is the free lenght on the 110 stockers you are running and the rate if I may ask?

By Ron on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 03:09 am: Edit

John,
They are bearmach XHD 130 rears (not dual with helper, just the one spring), not stockers. I they were about 15.5 free length and somewhere north of 350# rate, but I don't know the rate exactly as that was not specified.

Cheers
Ron

By John on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 03:15 am: Edit

Ok, thanks....I dont think they would be appropriate with spacers then as you would need proberly 2" spacers. Just thinking how I can help. I will look into my new spring manu and get a feel for custom spring pricing, maybe cheaper.

By Ron on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 03:31 am: Edit

Cool John,

I want a softer rate. They give about 2in of lift (the might be as over 400# rate I don't know). Would prefer no spacers as I would have to redo my retainers on the bottom. Let me know about the custom ones. I remember the quote last time and it was about twice OME. That and I would have to know exactly what I wanted before hand. I need to stop messing around with suspension and lockers and replacing my axles and get it running and in one piece.

Cheers
Ron

By John on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 03:38 am: Edit

Ive got a set new set of 330 rate x 15 1/2 long 110 springs here. Spacers do not affect your retainers as the top of the spacer duplicates th top of your current spring pad.
But I will check into the custom pricing regardless...give me a couple of weeks on that as my current focus is getting my std. spring line up and running.

By Ron on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 03:54 am: Edit

Ok John,

I would prefer no spacers and a 250# longish spring. My fronts are 220# 17.5in so I want to match hieght to that and that gives 2.5in or so in front. I will have to figure a way to measure my unsprung weight. Should probably weigh the salisbury and associated stuff before it goes on in place of the rover rear.

Ron

By John on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 04:18 am: Edit

I do have in stock a 250# x 3"(18 1/4" free lenght)Linier lift for the front but proberly a 3" to 3 1/2" lift depending on winches, etc...zthat may be a little much for you.

By Ron on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 04:34 am: Edit

Thanks John I already have the front springs. The 220# 17.5 gives about what I am looking for (2.5in) in lift as the front is pretty light (no AC or battery up there). And I don't want to go higher until I find a set of radius arms that will not negatively effect turning radius. Although those springs might work in the back of my RR . . . I will give you a call today. I have a couple of ideas and I want a bumper.

Cheers
Ron