By sg on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 03:47 am: Edit

tell me about installing a brush guard. I have a genuine brush bar but it simply does not want to fit with this configuration. The extensions from the brush bar are horizontal and you can seem below the bolts that attach the frame to the bumper are vertical. Any advice would be appreciated......thanks

By sg on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 03:49 am: Edit

opps! - this is for a Disco II - but I swear this looks like the bumper mount for a Disco I.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 04:06 am: Edit

Man , what state are you in?

Kyle

By sg on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 04:09 am: Edit

i sense some sarcasm but since you asked ......Georgia

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 04:24 am: Edit

Don't know about DII, but here's the brush guard/bumper mount on my DI:

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 04:34 am: Edit

No sarcasm , there anyone near this guy that can lend him a hand ??

Kyle

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 04:43 am: Edit

time for a well-equipped DiscoWeb Discovery with a siren and green strobes...one of those annoying British sirens...

By sg on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 05:11 am: Edit

Thanks for the pic Kyle,

I'm in Atlanta GA - decatur specifically. I have no idea why this has been so difficult. Nothing seems to match up on the mounts/ brush bar etc...i just need someone with a pic of a mounted brush bar on a DII! I don't want to give the dealer any more hard earned money than i have to...thanks again.

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 05:12 am: Edit

Pic wasnt me....

Kyle

By sg on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 05:14 am: Edit

sorry - thanks Bluegill

By 94Rover on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 05:37 am: Edit

Bluegill,
I can hear those sirens......eeeeeeen onnnnnn eeeeeeen ooonnnnnnnnn eeeeeeeeeen ooooooonnnnn eeeeeenn ooonnnnnnnnnnn

By Steve (Steve2) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 05:44 am: Edit

sq-

not trying to sound stupid - but are you sure you have the right bar for the right car? and did you have all the parts for it as a kit?

i'd check with your l/r center to be sure you got the right one and if there are any interface parts for it. i have the genuine A bar on my d1 and there was a replacement front trim 2' long and bolts (which were too thick!) and instructions included. perhaps as someone in parts dept to fax you the instructions and parts manifest?

best of luck
steve

By concerned about gill !! on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 06:47 am: Edit

Blue Gill

Nice showy shackles you've got there...
I'd never trust that damn brush guard!!

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 07:10 am: Edit

thank you - I have them there so I look COOL. I will soon chrome plate them. Same goes for the warn recov shackle in the back hitch. Last time I was stuck in a mudhole, I said to my friend, I don't trust that bar, let's just leave my Disco here and I'll ride home with you.

if you'll get your anonymous face out of your sister's cleavage for a minute and look closely at the picture, you'll notice the grind marks above the showy shackle. That's one of the places where I had to reweld the POS stock brush guard. I've also welded the bouncy wrap-around "wings". Now that the bar has been welded by a professional, and by not some 6 year-old in China, it actually has some strength to it. Works just fine for recovery without coming apart anymore or rotating since I know how to turn a wrench on a bolt (unlike some trusty ARB & $G bumpers I know).

This bar is destined for Kyle's window. I think that I may coat it with duraliner to cover the new welds and grind scars, and then I'll pitch it out Kyle's window. One of the avid dwebbers can catch it for free and put it back to good use until they also upgrade to a real bumper (meaning Kyle or John's design, NOT ARB or $G).

thanks again for your concern, I can't take care of myself.

By lynden on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 08:04 am: Edit

Being relatively new that was one question I had. Do you tow off that guard? It doesn't seem strong enough w/ just 4 bolts. My next question is how too stiffen up your brush guard. I'm going to spring for one in the next few months and was wondering what can be done. I've read that some people have welded them on, can you then remove it later if it gets bent or you want to sell it??? Just wondering.

One more thing, I think I've found a brush guard that's a little stronger than the LR guard. Check out the link below and see what people think... does anyone have this guard and how do you like it?
Sorry the link is about 4 lines long, its a AB bar that has reinforcement on top and bottom. Part # is 9403D. Check it out.

Thanks,
Lynden

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 08:09 am: Edit

I think people have welded them on just with tac welds to keep the thing from shifting. It will bend, and you will want to sell it, give it away, or otherwise get it the hell off your truck.

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 08:14 am: Edit

Lynden, I don't know very much about that bar but is looks like it has the same 4 bolt mounting and no recovery points. I have the same factory brush bar as Blue does and I have used it a few times to get pulled out. It is OK but you need to make sure that the bolts are really tight. I would just get a real one like RTE or Kyle's that way you know you have a sturdy bumper and if you want a winch you will have a place to mount it.

By lynden on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 08:18 am: Edit

Yeah I know the bumper is the route to go, I'm just not sold on the look yet. I really like the look of the original bumper and brush guard (don't flame me because I have crappy taste!!!). But I'm sure you guys are right I'll probably spend $400 on BG then spend another $500 on a bumper later. Isn't that something like a life lesson???
Thanks guys,
Lynden

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 08:43 am: Edit

I'm not going to flame you Lynden. I bought one. I like the way it looks too. Just don't like the fact that it isn't as tuff as it should be.

By Murray (Cdnrvr) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 11:13 am: Edit

Thanks Blue ... just lost it in front of the client reading your post By the way, that sh*t looks expensive is another response I have heard rather than cool. I have the factory brush bar and have bent mine ... but it sounds like the ARB isn't any better ... okay it is but it still isn't bullet proof. Does anybody have pics of the RTE without the A Bar? I am concerned that the local authorities are going to give me a hassle if I get the model with the A Bar ... and yes, the locals do have too much time on their hands ... kind of like me this afternoon.

Murray

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 11:35 am: Edit

everbody is bashing the ARB bumper lately

is it all of them that are bad or just the airbag compatable versions?

i have the non airbag on my 1997 disco and there are a total of 6 bolts holding it to my truck

i had to drill it out a little to get the 5/8 dia ones in there, but otherwise it fit great.

i have smashed into the front of another car with mine. winched my truck and others.. pulled down trees and bashed it into the ground

it hasn't moved yet nor have i dented it.

So WTF?

-rd

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 11:38 am: Edit

I say don't fix it if it ain't broke! Must be the new airbag models.

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 11:47 am: Edit

Yeah, it's only the new airbag models that are bending. This has been discussed in the past as well, and it always comes down to this: If you do any serious off roading and want an ARB, go with a non-airbag version. And by the way, in a real crash, the airbags will still go off.
(Standard disclaimer, mount one at your own risk... )

By Slider on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 04:40 pm: Edit

Trek Outfitters has one of the best front bumpers I've seen yet. Finally saw it in person at Roverfest. Very Beefy and a bit costly... but that's OK.
Saw the RTE in person too -- cool, but I don't need that much clearance.

I'm currently using an ARB but might move to the Trek Outfitters once I can afford it...

By Mongo on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 04:50 pm: Edit

it's the air bag version only(ARB) that seems to have a couple of problems on the DII. read the threads, it's all explianed there. I'm with slider, i really like the Trek Outfitters bumepr, and when i can save some $$$ i'm getting one. really think about the type of off-roading you'll be doin'. if it's real hardcore, go with something that has more clearance...learning from my mistakes...

Frank

By John Graham (John) on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 10:32 am: Edit

sg, drop me an email if you are still having trouble....i'm right down the road in Candler Park. Though I have a D1, I might be able to help out. John

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Blue,
Man, that brush bar mount sucks! Wow, now I understand why the brush bar roles up and into your hood. BUT, the D2 is completely different - the mount is directly in a straight line to the frame, and must be orders of magnitude stronger. Assuming you are pulling forwards, there should be no movement at all. I would guess that a couple of D-shackles, and a pulley to even out the stress, would take all the punishment you can throw at it. I have been winched out of a serious mud hole with this brush bar no problem.

Dean

By lynden on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 06:49 pm: Edit

What about drilling another hole in the D1 bumpers to keep them from rotatine? Has anyone tried this, or is there even room. You might start to weaken the metal if you drill too much... Just a thought.
Lynden

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 05:29 am: Edit

"Blue,
Man, that brush bar mount sucks! Wow, now I understand why the brush bar roles up and into your hood."

that's funny...this has never happened to me...

By sg on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 08:52 am: Edit

For the smart asses and those who are genuinely interested...the answer to the original question on this thread..its amazing how these things go in different directions....... You have to buy a "mounting" kit from Land Rover - a lot of people will sell you the brush bar only. Cost from the dealer for the kit $57.00. You can't mount it without it.

By Blue Gill (Bluegill) on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 10:30 am: Edit

ah hah! a hidden cost! imagine that, a hidden cost associated with Land Rover! so, is your bar mounted now, or what?

By christian on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 11:30 am: Edit

A little bit more info to go with Mongo's and Sliders bit...I was one of two (mongo being the other one) that had some recent problems with the ARB Airbag compatible bumper. Mine rotated under and into my vehicle because of the designed crush can included with it for the DII's. New info from ARB states that any new bumpers manufactured will all have crush cans to meet safety standards for highway use in collisions etc. straight on with the bumper. This may be for DI and DII vehicles. I don't know. Definately for DII's. Side impact and upward/downward inpacts from trail riding etc. will result in possible crush can failure and ARB's opinion is that of "they did what they were designed to do" My advice to future prospects of ARB bumper purchases..unless you plan to tac weld the cans to prevent movement or crushing at low speeds/impacts...buy Trek Outfitters or other brand of bumper. TRUST US, WE KNOW. Learned the hard way...

Christian
(Unlucky owner of ARB Air bag bumper for DII that failed miserably at a very slow speed)

By mongo on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 11:43 am: Edit

I was told the same thing by the guys at ARB...

mongo (wanting a Trek bumper more)

By sg on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 03:21 am: Edit

Blue Gill -

I have the mounts installed - didn't have time to stick the brush guard on yet - will post a pic when completed. Mounts (purchased from the dealer for $57) were a piece of cake to install - they even came with Grade 8 bolts. I cranked em down good and tight and don't see any problems using the recovery points on the brush bar. Of course this has not been tested yet! The whole setup is a little different from the Disco I. Will post a pic when done.