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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By William Turner (Wturner) on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 05:44 pm: Edit

I just got the Moab 2001 Video in the mail. You guys are crazy. I would never do that stuff to my Rover (well, only cause I couldn't afford to fix it afterwards.)

If I was RICH like you guys I would. j/k

Great job guys :)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By William Turner (Wturner) on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 05:49 pm: Edit

How come this ain't on the video?

oops1

oops2

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Roverine on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 06:41 pm: Edit

Er, um, the first pic was me, testing "Hill Descent Control" ... (we traded drivers really fast for the second)

Haven't yet been to Moab ... Can't wait to purchase the video! I promise to order very soon! Still trying to take care of some extra recovery gear - next paycheck, (soon) FOR SURE!!!!! Good job, guys. :)

Kim
1)Give where you can to help all. 2)Keep your spirits up and the commerce flowing ... support Discoweb!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By KJ on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 03:55 am: Edit

HAHAHA, just an excuse to stop for a cold beverage! Gawd, even the bike can't stand up straight, those rocks are serious!

Karen

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By William Turner (Wturner) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 05:21 am: Edit

Roverine,

How did you get out of that predicament, and what damage did you suffer? That picture is in the Trails section titled Moab 2001/Hole in the Rock?

That's not in Moab?

p.s. How does one correctly pronounce “Moab?” Is it like “Moe Ab?”

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ho Chung (Ho) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 05:30 am: Edit

william, RICH? :)
you don't have to be rich, just time, and good attitude.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 05:58 am: Edit

Hole in the Rock trail is not in Moab, it is down in the Four Corners area. We do have some video from that trail as well, but that will most likely be posted as clips in the video section on this site.
And you don't have to be rich to go to Moab, as long as you know your limitations and use some common sense, you will be fine. Except for the blown rear diff (which could have happened anywhere) there were no damage to speak of on this years trip.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By William Turner (Wturner) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 06:04 am: Edit

I was just kidding about the "rich" stuff. Don't take it personal, I am just a college student with a stupid job and a Rover that I can't afford, so just about every one is rich compared to ME.

Will you be making any more VHS videos any time soon?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ho Chung (Ho) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 06:44 am: Edit

william, i know you were kiddin. :)
no sweat.

other tapes? ... maybe....

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Roverine on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 08:27 pm: Edit

William,

That 1st pic' really isn't me ... I was just poking fun at myself when I first tried HDC on our new DSII in Anza Borrego ... and it didn't engage ... because I wasn't in low range (aka, "driver error") ... so I went down the hill a bit faster than 5 MPH:)

Kim

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 05:58 am: Edit

Kim,

In the Computer Help Desk World, that's called PEBCAK.

P roblem
E xist
B etween
C hair
A nd
K eyboard



-glenn

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Jimbo on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 10:41 am: Edit

So is this video any good? Should I plunk down 19 clams for it?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By William Turner (Wturner) on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 11:34 am: Edit

Yes, I thought it was great!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Steve (Steve2) on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 01:36 pm: Edit

fudge!

whose rig is that? what are the specs?

thanks
steve

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By William Turner (Wturner) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 11:25 am: Edit

How many videos have you guys sold?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 11:47 am: Edit

Not allot really , I think maybe 10-15... I am surprised there hasn been any more feed back here on it..


Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 12:23 pm: Edit

that it? there were that many people on the trip..... damn

my favorite part is the first few minutes , where it shows who is staring in the video

hilarious.

rd

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 12:34 pm: Edit

You just sold another one.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 01:54 pm: Edit

Anyone have any comments on the video. Other then all the people in it are freaks ? :)

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By John Lee on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 02:23 pm: Edit

Yeah, I got some comments. That is one damn good video. Ax did a great job on it. The video quality is superb and everything is professionally done. The action in the video is also better than the action you see in other Land Rover videos. Well worth the cost of the video, and you're supporting DiscoWeb as well, something everyone on this board relies on every day.

Oh yeah, that white D90 in there is bad ass too. :)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Danno on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 02:25 pm: Edit

uh...i just ordered mine today....will probaly get to the house before me...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Roverine on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 02:28 pm: Edit

Just ordered mine today!!:) ... Looking forward to receiving it! Need to relax and enjoy some good video footage ...

...Got a bit weary of the news last week, and actually found an old video that my husband and I had made on a little excursion with friends long ago ... Felt very sentimental as I blew off the dust and loaded it in the VCR ... and the memories came flooding back ... including the 35-40 minutes of blank/dark image with nothing but music and conversation in the cab of truck!! ... (when I had done some taping, and put the lens cap back on the camera and forgot to shut it off - burned up a good portion of all our batteries the first day out on that trip ...)LOL??

Kim
If you ever need an extra "videotographer" along, give me a call ...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Danno on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 02:50 pm: Edit

"I blew off the dust and loaded it in the VCR ... and the memories came flooding back ... including the 35-40 minutes of blank/dark image with nothing but music and conversation in the cab of truck!!"

uh Kim, what type of video?

Danno
stuck in a hotel in Dallas

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By KJ on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 03:43 pm: Edit

I've got my order form right here on my desk, just been up to my caucasian butt in other stuff. Expect another order! :)

Karen

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 03:47 pm: Edit

Form ? Use the pay pal , its easier...


Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Craig on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 04:04 pm: Edit

Kyle-
Do I need to register on paypal prior to ordering, or can I just fill out the form as is.
thanks
Craig

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Danno on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 04:08 pm: Edit

have to register with PayPal w/a Visa or Mastercard

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 04:09 pm: Edit

If you are inside the US you register and order at the same time I think.

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Craig on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 04:09 pm: Edit

thanks Danno
Craig

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 04:12 pm: Edit

Just click add to cart and it takes you right through the steps. You order and register at the same time.. Its pretty simple...

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 04:16 pm: Edit

Hey guys and girls... Let's not forget that while your using paypal to get the video that some stickers are a click away as well.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Craig on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 04:29 pm: Edit

Thanks guys-
I just ordered the Moab video
Craig

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 04:31 pm: Edit

Hmmm , then you have it backwards , its us that should be thanking you... Thanks.. :) as I said earlier , dissregard the freaks.... :)

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By KJ on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 06:29 pm: Edit

Kyle,

I've resisted the temptations of PayPal for ages now, but you're weakening me (G). One way or the next, I'll get the video, and soon!

Karen :)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Michel on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 09:12 am: Edit

The video is great! I got a very good feel for what Moab is like and that whole area from the video. Better than all the pics I've seen and stories combined. Further it show people I talk to on discoweb going over obsticles I've heard about for years in shitty 4X mags with a Disco like the one I have, not some monstronsity on wheels.

Great trip planner if you are thinking about going, or great way to spend the night if you can't go.

Michel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Mike J. (Mudd) on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 09:38 am: Edit

The video is killer! where else can you see the best modified discos doing what they do best. And it's great to see the faces of some of the other disco addicts that are on this site every day. Price dosn't matter, ya gotta have it! I was also impressed by the driving techniques. Great drivers not spinning wheels, spotting each other and doing the tick thing. You gotta see it! hurry up and order it! and..... Mine came with a vehicle recovery/repair kit! (disco web sticker) You know your signing up on pay pal now!
Next video... Truckhaven! Mike J.

oh yea, tied back mud flaps? kinda gay!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 08:44 am: Edit

Glad you guys liked it! For those of you who are wondering, 95% of the footage is digital, shot with a Sony VX2000, then edited using Adobe Premiere. Each video is a first generation copy straight from the digital master.

Don't know where the next one will be made, but we are tossing arond some ideas....

Axel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 08:53 am: Edit

will any copies of this vid be available to purchase at Truckhaven (Ho)?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Diesel on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 08:59 am: Edit

I got the video last night and immediately put it in the VCR and watched it with a bunch of friends. I thought it was awesome. Great camera work!!! The last fifteen minutes (in Prichett Canyon) were really intense. I gotta get a video camera. :) Outstanding driving be everyone including the stock J**per.

Diesel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 02:02 pm: Edit

Bill:

As it stands right now, Ho has most of the stickers, and mails them out from LA, while I make the tapes here in New Jersey and send them out from here. Ho doesn't have an inventory of videos, as it makes more sense to just send them out directly from New Jersey.

Axel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Friday, September 28, 2001 - 06:23 am: Edit

I finally gave in.... I ordered my MOAB video this morning. I tried to resist temptation for awhile since we're trying to save some moohlah for some Home Improvements - but hey, 20 bucks won't hurt! Besides, those pics were exciting enough, I can only imagine the videos. I can't wait!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 09:04 am: Edit

Your copy is in the mail, Glenn.

Axel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 12:11 pm: Edit

Thanks Ax!

Hey I'm trying to score me a DV with the firewire connection to the PC. I have a copy of Adobe Premier and want to get into Video Editing as well. I'm looking at a used Sony PC1 for 850, is this a good/decent setup? I'm very impressed with your production by the way. Sorry to be "off-topic" but any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

-glenn

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:56 pm: Edit

I'm not familiar with that particular camcorder, but Sony in general are pretty good. For more info on digital video, check out:

http://www.videoguys.com/

Axel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Simon E. Arenas (Simon) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 05:31 am: Edit

Got my copy today.....
man i missed a lot on that trip...

great job there Axel!

thanks

Simon.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kristian on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 09:52 am: Edit

Axel- I received the video on Friday; it's awesome! I can't belive how much better that digital footage is. You're also getting pretty fancy with the character (freaks)intros and other production stuff. Going to have to start calling you Francis Ford Haakonsen. "Just go by like you're fighting!"

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 10:56 am: Edit

Feeling a little under the weather today so I didn't go to work. It turned out to be a perfect timing since I received my MOAB 2001 video today in the mail. Yoop-tee-doo!!! Nothing like a rainy afternoon, snuggled under the sheets, sipping hot chicken soup and watching you guys do those trails! It totally made my day!!!

Thanks for the quick shipping Axel!!!

-glenn

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Roverine on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 01:38 pm: Edit

Just went out to the mail box,
and what did I see?
Why, a Discoweb video,
awaitin' for me!!

The box was sealed so tightly,
I started to wail ...
but I didn't even complain
when I broke a nail!

... Oh enough of my nonsense! I have only watched 20 minutes or so, and already, all I have to say is: ... SWEET!!!! SWEET SERENITY! It's GREAT! (I really do have to get out more). Now. Sweet God, I must control myself and STAY AWAY from Greg's dremmel (for certain reasons, we're trying to wait 'til after Truckhaven to trim bumper ... well OK, also I would more than likely lop off one of my own limbs). Already so many questions, like tire pressures at "The Wedge", etc. I must go back and watch some more now ...

More later, and thanks!:):):)
Kim
Anyone who buys this video will NOT be disapointed!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Danno on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 01:40 pm: Edit

Axel,
great video guys! i loved when Brian would scrap the poor jeep and hearing everyone laugh.

this may sound stange, but have you tried to pimp some videos out to any off roading magazines? might be able to get some sales off people thinking of a disco, especially with the price of D1's being so low now. and add to the mega Discoweb traffic there already is (more than some porn sites?)

Just a thought...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 01:58 pm: Edit

Not trying to "Sell out" Danno. Actually just trying to make things better and better here. I was asking for feed back because you guys/girls are our target market. Axel is doing a damn good job now and it will just get better as money permits. Moab is also not the only show in town. We see quite allot of real estate each year and we get a little tape each time. Its kinda hard to pick and choose pieces here and there to make decent tapes . Our goal is to bring you the best and most realistic tape you can find with a Discovery in it. We are all very happy to see that those who bought it so far are satisfied. Please dont let that stop anyone from giving some critisism as well.

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Craig on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 01:59 pm: Edit

Axel-
How are you shipping the videos? It's been about a week now and still no sign.
Just wondering.
thanks-
Craig

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 02:10 pm: Edit

Craig:

They are going first class mail from New Jersey, yours went out wednesday last week, so it should be there shortly. If not, email me directly.

Axel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Craig on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 02:16 pm: Edit

thanks Axel!
can't wait to see it!
Craig

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 04:00 pm: Edit

Hey Axel, what's that leaking under your truck when you were crossing the Golden Crack? Also, I don't think I saw "Lion's Back".

Hhhmmm... do I smell a sequel?

-glenn

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 04:10 pm: Edit

It's just water from my cooler. It's sitting behind the drivers seat, and some water spilled out because of the angle.

Yes, there probably will be another video, but it won't be for a while. We need to get some more footage first. I'm pretty picky about what goes on the final tape...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By brian k on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 10:24 am: Edit

Yeah! Got my copy yesterday. Very impressive, gentlemen! I was totally expecting cheesy, poorly shot, poor quality footage. Axel, you missed your calling in life - great editing. You all did a fine service to Land Rover and the Moab Tourism Council. So far I've watched about 45 minutes of it and this video's far better than the Land Rover sponsered videos I have. I have the La Ruta Maya Expedition, and two of the mid-90's Camel Trophy tapes and your video is FAR better those lame things (After those 3, I vowed NEVER to buy another LR video again!)!! Seriously, you guys should send a copy to LRNA to help remind them of what LR's are about. Absolutely awesome for amature footage.

Kyle, since it looks like you're really looking for a critique - -
Be sure to use more camera angles and change shots more often to prevent eye fatigue. But this requires more editing and would require more than one camera. And add music/narration in the background during some of the segments that don't have a lot of action.

Great job guys!

Brian Kluge

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 10:36 am: Edit

I watched it last night too. Very high quality footage. Also kinda neat to see the 110 do so well :) And John Lee's short bus did not do bad either. And of course all the discos seemed to do fine.

Of course hearing a rental jeep playing the same music I heard in NC was pretty funny. That and the shots of it not making it and the driver (who shall remain nameless) just giving it more gas until it did was funny.

Narration would have been funny/cool too. Also I watched a lot on fast forward as I cannot get used to the rock "crawling" concept, being a fan of the idiot pedal :) While it won't replace transcanada 92 as my all time favorite it was very well done and as they said better than some of the CT videos. So buy the video and suuport discoweb.

Cheers
Ron

PS I am sure you could put together a decent video with Roverfest/MAR/other stuff footage if you wanted. Some of the things I like to see are muddy trucks, breakage, stupidity :)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 10:56 am: Edit

It is shot at multiple angles with multiple cameras. The footage you ended up getting is from three cameras that I know of. Flipping back and forth between the different angles might just kill ax though,,,:) On that tape we actually played with angles quite allot. In the future they will just get better and better...

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 11:01 am: Edit

actually, there were plenty narrantion!
LOL

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 11:04 am: Edit

lol , yes Ho , "Narration" :)

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 11:09 am: Edit

True, the footage is from 3 cameras, but probably 90% of it ended up coming from mine, since that was the only raw digital footage. But Brian's points are well taken. There is always room for improvement.


Axel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Murray (Cdnrvr) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 05:47 pm: Edit

Just got mine today ... great job guys. Nice thing is I can now put faces and trucks to names. Really impressed with the 90 and 110 - definitely would like to get one in the stable now to compliment the Disco. There was a green D1 with a kick ass rear bumper, was that a $G? Kyle, really like your front bumper design.

Murray

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 03:57 am: Edit

The one with PA plates? That's Chris von C's, and it has SG bumpers front and rear, and also a Stage III suspension.

Axel

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Murray (Cdnrvr) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 07:28 am: Edit

Does Chris work at West Chester Land Rover by any chance? Name is familiar ... I think he sold me my truck. If it is the same guy - great guy, knows his stuff.

Murray

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 07:35 am: Edit

LOL , no his truck is just a poster child for that dealer...

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By chrisvonc on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 09:11 am: Edit

hehe.. no I dont work for them. I just throw my paychecks in the door as I drive by.
There is a Chris that works sales there but its not I.
Also, I no longer have their advertising on the side of my truck. I finally got around to getting my website address on it.

Chris

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 05:58 am: Edit

Yeah Murray , Seans 110 is sweet. I call it the "Magic bus". Glad you liked the video..Seems like most were happy with it...


Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By joshua on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 06:33 am: Edit

hey AX when did you ship my video out...
I even dug the VCR out of storage, havent used it in over 2 years..

eagerly awaiting....

joshua

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Sunday, October 07, 2001 - 03:34 am: Edit

Friday...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Sunday, October 07, 2001 - 03:42 am: Edit

Bloody good show eh chaps? Well done. Stonking job.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 02:18 pm: Edit

All positive reviews so far, along with some suggestions for the next one, that's good!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Kyle on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 03:18 pm: Edit

Dean , are you a hard core brit or what man ?

Kyle

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 03:37 pm: Edit

What is "Stonking" any way?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 04:11 pm: Edit

I think it may have something to do with a "kipper", but I'm not sure....

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Basil on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:25 pm: Edit

The Kipper and the Corpse?


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