By Paul D. Morgan on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 02:50 am: Edit

Anyone seen that Miller High Life Commercial on ESPN? It portrays an American Redneck that is totally disgusted with the neighbors Range Rover. This redneck stated that it could not be called a truck and the only dirt seen would be during the act of running over a flower pot.

Very interesting.

By E Snyder on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 06:50 am: Edit

Maybe Ford and Miller better have their advertising people talk to each other!

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Miller "High Life" and Range Rover are two different schools of thought...

...kind of like Samuel Smith's Imperial Stout and Jeep

By gp (Garrett) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 02:42 am: Edit

.....their Winter Welcome is nice too!! and Snow Goose by Wild Goose is coming soon. oh.....don't get me started.

By Paul D. Morgan on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 03:34 am: Edit

This time of year, I enjoy Sam Adams October Fest.

A non-jeep driver

By Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 03:46 am: Edit

Old Specked Hen....or perhaps a Belhaven! But I do hear Miller is good for cleaning parts.

Had an old Yeep once....still wouldn't drink Miller.

By jp on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 03:47 am: Edit

Paul

Try Paulener Octoberfest

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 04:24 am: Edit

molsen has that commercial with the kids driving across Canada in a series rover.. it kick's ass.

you guys try North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Russian Stout? ...mmmm



rd

By gp (Garrett) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 04:50 am: Edit

that looks like some serious beer. maybe Zeno's has that here in town. i figured you for an I.C. Light fan Rob. kidding of course. but they do make a nice red ale i had at the jazz fest last year in the 'burgh. forgot the name.

Winterhook by Redhook is another great one during the cold season.

maybe a case or two of these should be aquired for consumption at MAR evening gatherings.

By gp (Garrett) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 05:23 am: Edit

always the tried and true winter warmer!!

By Steve (Steve2) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 06:01 am: Edit

gp - you also need some really good fish and chips with that, then a good game of darts after..

steve

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 06:06 am: Edit

Don't forget the occasional Bass mixed in with that Guinness.. Good beer/ale, fish & chips, nice game of darts or pool.. I'm in.

By Andy Nix (Andy) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 06:19 am: Edit

you're not supposed to mix the two, you're supposed to see "black AND tan".....

we shouldn't post pic's of beer so early in the day, now i have to go and have a beer with lunch....

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 06:22 am: Edit

Andy that is what I meant... However, I do like the taste of Guinness Stout in the bottle with Bass which doesn't seperate in the class so it is mixed. Black and Tans as well as Half and Halfs (Guinness and Harp) are always good for any occasion.

By Ron on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 06:27 am: Edit

Genny Cream Ale.

Mummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

30 pack of cans and a nice weekend wheeling with friends

Ron

Kidding on the wheeling and drinking, although I have been known to be a non sober passenger

By Robert Mann (Oldscout) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 06:32 am: Edit

YUMM I wish I was closer to San Diego. I guess Sierra Nevada will just have to cut it.

By gp (Garrett) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 06:47 am: Edit

i have to say the only beer i like out of a can is Guinness. i really like it better than bottled with the CO2/nitros thingy at the bottom that really helps. but look what happens when you leave a 4 pack out with the animals at home!!!

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 06:59 am: Edit

Robert Mann do you have a Total Beverage near you? The one near me in VA carries Arrogant Ale so I would imagine that they all do.

By Robert Mann (Oldscout) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 07:07 am: Edit

Eric I live in a beer wasteland called Stockton. We have the worlds worst beer distributors in this county. A.B.A. is not available in this county but it is in the surrounding counties. I work in the micro brew biz so a fresh pint is always close.

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 07:11 am: Edit

Sorry to here that you live in beer wasteland there Robert. Glad to hear that you are in the micro brew biz. What micro brew?

By Robert Mann (Oldscout) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 07:30 am: Edit

I sell Chemical supplys to about 80% of the micro brewers in Ncal

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 10:25 am: Edit

Frosty mug o' Becks for those "lighter beer" days

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 10:28 am: Edit

Bluegill.. Did you get a new camera or do you just take pictures of every thing? Just wondering.

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 10:33 am: Edit

I just take pictures of everything. I'm kind of like the Rain Man...definitely drinking lots of beer and fixing my driveshaft that day...definitely...Dad lets me drive the Rover on Sundays...in the driveway...on Sundays.

Remember when Rain Man took pictures of his feet?

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 10:35 am: Edit

Think you might want to see a foot doctor about those toes...

By Jay Allen on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 12:07 pm: Edit

Good luck with that toe seperation surgery, sounds painfull...

By gp (Garrett) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 12:39 pm: Edit

are they webbed?? must of been one hell of a swimmer that's for sure.

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 01:11 pm: Edit

Why do you think they call me Bluegill?

hey now, don't be makin fun of my hairy hobbit feet.

By Paul on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:44 am: Edit

A girl at our local Gold's Gym just brought back a 12 pack of Molson XXX Beer for me! That's 12 bottles of 7.3%

By RVR OVR (Tom) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:56 am: Edit

uhmmmm....now that is one vulgar set of toes. can almost smell em from here.

By Anonymous on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 02:58 pm: Edit

Dude thats more obscene than the Mardi Gras picture . Kyle Axel Ho please do something quick . Free speach is one thing but thats blatantly copying a "Maplethorpe" . For the love of God man,what were you thinking?

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:03 pm: Edit

As long as he does not put that foot in his mouth, we'll let it slide....

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 07:12 pm: Edit

All my buddies think I'm some GB sellout. Land Rover, Jack Russelll Terriers and always a Bass & Co. nearby. Also like the Double Diamond - and Newcastle, of course.

Newcastle is nowhere near as good out of the can though. On draught is the only way to drink a Newcastle - a nice slow pour too.

Cheers, (opening a Bass right now)

Erik

By mike w on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 02:39 am: Edit

ok i find the picture of the feet offensive!.......hehehehe

By KJ on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 03:34 am: Edit

Erik,

You must have smarter friends than I. I've had Jack Russells for over 20 years and the number of times I've had to tell people they weren't Jack DANIELS Terriers, I couldn't begin to count. Guess that would make them American dogs!

Karen

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 06:11 am: Edit

Karen,

I'm an idiot, so I haven't been able to figure out how to post pics on the D'web. Followed the instructions and used the practice section for about an hour and a half - couldn't even get the "your picture here" picture to work! Sad.

Anyway, if you go to the trails section, you can spot my JRT puppy, Dot, on top of my Disco in the Hollister 3 string. How many JRTs do you have now?

-Erik

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 07:12 am: Edit

Axel, that foot has been in my mouth plenty of times!

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 07:51 am: Edit

Thank you for that mental image..... ;-)

By Roverine on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 10:24 am: Edit

Alright, the Mardi Gras pic was one thing ... but this? ... this was just plain smut!! (LOL, I needed a good belly laugh!!)

KJ: LOL, Jack DANIELS Terriers??! I am still laughing, you've got to be kidding! Although, I guess I wouldn't doubt it ... and I thought I had problems with people always pointing (and backing away) at my old Boxer dog, and asking, "Is that a PIT BULL?"

Kim

By Daniel on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 10:53 am: Edit

That's about the same as all the folks here in Chicago who keep asking if my ROCKweillers bite.
I hate that...

By KJ on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 11:32 am: Edit

OMG, Erik you nut, don't you know that puppy could hurt your truck up there? LOL! Seriously though, who is crazier, you or Dot? Damned terriers think everything is fun, don't they? I have a million terrier stories. We have two ancient ones left. They are my little Helen Keller dogs, can't see spit, hear almost nothing, bonk into things all day long. They are litter mates, and pushing 18 years old. We had their mother who was a fabulous dog. We used to terrier trial them and raced them a lot, too. Yeah Kim, Jack Daniels Terriers. And Daniel, I kid you not, last year about three miles from my house I saw a cardboard sign pointing up a dusty country lane that read, "Rock Weller puppies". Stupid knows no geography I guess.

I saw we load the Boxer Pits, the Rock Wellers and the Jack Daniels terriers into our $90,000.00 Toyota Land Rovers and do the mall-crawl.

Karen ;)

By Daniel on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 05:25 am: Edit

Karen,
I'm with you for the shopping center expedition.
Maybe we could even drive over a few curbs and some of those parking lot dividers. (that's about as off road as I have time to get these days)

I met a breeder once who refused to sell a puppy to anyone who called them Rockweillers. His attitude was that if someone didn't even know what they were called, they certainly wouldn't be able to handle one properly. It's important to be able to handle a 140lb dog that has his mind set to do something.
Not that we were experts before we got our dogs, but we did do a lot of research about the breed.

By Horness Spencer (Horness) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 05:56 am: Edit

Roverine,
That's a common thing. People ask that all the time when they meet my wife!

I had a Spinger Spaniel which people kept asking "is that a setter?"

DOH!

Same people now say to me "er, is that a J**p?"

ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

These are the same people who have a personal stereo on 24x7 with the words "breathe in... breathe out... breathe in..." playing.


Horness

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 07:09 am: Edit

Can I bring my Dalmation Bull Terrier to the mall too I have a Pit Bull and most people think it is a Dalmation with big spots in stead of small ones.

By Daniel on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 07:41 am: Edit

Eric,
That kills me. At least people probably aren't as afraid of him. (or her) You know Dalmations, like your dog, are fireman's dogs, so they aren't vicious by nature.

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 08:01 am: Edit

Daniel, sometimes it's funny as people will walk up and start petting him and ask if he is a Dalmation or what he is. I almost always say that he is a mutt but, some times I tell them he's a pit bull. It's really funny to watch the people get all nervous, stop petting him, and back away out of reach. Some people just don't get it. Some people don't care but, others watch too much TV and really get freaked out by it. Guess I just have a sick sence of humor some times

By Daniel on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 08:20 am: Edit

That's funny. I personally get irritated about all the trouble SOME people give me about my dogs.
One of them "sniffed" some lady yesterday and she flipped out. Needless to say, all of this had already been on my last nerve and I gave her the business.
I'm not going to jerk my dogs around by the neck just because someone doesn't understand dogs nor do they care to become educated...


Whew, needed to vent, feel better now...

By brian k on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 11:14 am: Edit

AMEN, BROTHER DANIEL! Just who are these clueless idiots that always feel the need to say 'Put your dog on a leash!' Like if the dog was a killer I'd just let him wonder around. That comment goes straight into my spine and always gets an immediate and harsh reaction from me if they respond to my answer 'why?'. I've got a Great Dane and the thing is the biggest, sweetest, cuddly animal I've ever had. Not a mean bone in his body but because he's big people think he's a killer. But it is fun to watch those clueless people scare the crap out of themselves!

By Daniel on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 11:27 am: Edit

Brian,
I've stepped off my dog-soap box for today, but man, I just can't tell ya.
I do keep my dogs on a leash when I'm out around Chicago, but it's to keep them out of traffic...they have no idea what a car would do to them.

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 12:11 pm: Edit

Out here in California lots of dog owners do allow their killer dogs off-lead. A San Franciscan lost her life this year to a pair of dogs - and a Richmond (CA) boy is still recovering from a three-dog attack here as well.

My dogs are always on-lead when I'm out in public - even though they have no inclination other than to lick their victims to death!!!

I had a woman with a small dog react in a most fearful way when my Jack Russell Terriers approached her dog (a little Yorkie) to say "hello". She accused my dogs of being "viscious" without any reason and taught me a valuable lesson about the roll of the dice we take as dog owners when we go into public.

There are a lot of ignorant people out there, and you as a dog owner are liable no matter what their level of sanity.

-Erik

By Ron on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 12:22 pm: Edit

ok,

But has ANYONE ever been attacked by a golden retriever?

nuff said

Ron

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 05:27 pm: Edit

Uh, Ron....

Remember when my retriever "barked" at Alyssa when she walked up in the dark?? If I hadn't had her on the leash, she might have gotten too personal...


But, I have to point out, she's only half-lab, the other half is chow....

She was very sweet the rest of the time... that was, actually, the only time she seemed upset.... I think it was Alyssa's headlight, that it put her off.

Anyway, she'll be at MAR w/ me, so look for us!

-L

By brian k on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 04:34 am: Edit

Erik, you totally missed the point and you've fallen victim to the media. What kind of dogs attacked those people? Answer: Dogs with bad owners and, yes, the owners should be punished BIG TIME. Just because these creatures have 4 legs doesn't mean they're ALL killers - that's like saying ALL middle-easterners are now killers (after 9/11)and should be controlled. Geez, should we put them all on a leash too???

Dude, you're a doggie-bigot! (hehe, smiley face, smiley face, smiley face!!)

Peace, Love, and Common Sense,
Brian

By gp (Garrett) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 05:05 am: Edit

i had a golden retriever pee on my leg once. made me feel bad.

never been the same.

i did have a chow once that attacked our sheep for eating its burrito. that's about it though.

our two mutts we have now bark at strangers, but you take one step towards them and they run for cover. actually the smartest dogs i have ever had came from the SPCA. never had a leash on them......always stay to my side.

my statement still stands......love dogs and can 'deal' with cats.

By Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 05:49 am: Edit

Depending on where you are, I don't agree with the "dogs off leash" idea. Big cities being on place to keep you dog leashed.
One day my wife was walking our Chow (full grown male with Chow attitude IE: likes to fight with other dominent males), when around the corner comes another male Chow, w/ owner, off leash.

The dogs are now in deep battle, something my wife and I HATE, and always try to prevent. The other owner was an old man, who tries to get his dogs coller, my wife doesn't want to pull our dogs leash, hindering his defence, but also doesn't want the old man to get hurt from our dog. So she also reaches for our dogs harness..

Of course the old man looses his grip and the other dog bites up my wifes arm.

A few hours in the ER and a month of healing and she's good as new. Dogs are fine too.

My dogs not evil, the other dogs not evil, they are male war dogs in NYC. All that was needed was ONE LEASH.
BTW it's the law here.

Just my story,
Carl

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 06:13 am: Edit

I agree with keeping your dog on a leash. I always keep mine leashed for his own good. He could get hit by a car, into a fight with another dog, or even worse if some one did notice that he is a Pit Bull and not on a leash that would get me into some trouble and him as well. I was in a postion like the one you described above but, when the womans dog came up to mine and their hair started to raise I kicked her's right in the face which was about the same time she got to it to leash it. She was pissed that I kicked her dog but, who cares. I probably saved it's little life.

By Daniel on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 06:34 am: Edit

Carl,
I agree with you on this issue.
My dogs are always on leash in the city...period. (unless we are in a fenced dog park)

I should clarify my comment from yesterday about not "jerking my dog around by the neck."
What I was referring to was giving my dog a collar correction for greeting someone with a polite doggie hello. He turned his head to sniff this woman as she walked by. For whatever reason this offended her.
If I were to correct him for that I would essentially be training him to be standoffish and unapproachable. This is IMHO very bad training and could contribute to an anti-social dog.

I do think leashes are smart in the city. I had a friend who very recently lost a dog she had for 13+ years because someone intentionally scared it with a firecracker. It ran into traffic and was killed.
I can't imagine how guilty I would feel if I were in her shoes.

By gp (Garrett) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 06:42 am: Edit

in the city no arguments about keeping a dog leashed. no matter how well behaved or nice the dog is.

but where i live there is no reason. no city around and if so they would of course be leased. but in pine grove mills, pa we have plenty of room for them to just stay out when we are at home.

By Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 09:07 am: Edit

I hear you guys....and I totaly agree...nothing nicer than a free dog in the country.

Carl

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 10:10 am: Edit

Brian, you totally missed the point and you've fallen victim to mis-reading what I said.

My point was [is] this. If you own a dog, you are legally responsible for the safety of others regardless of the animals disposition, or the circumstances surrounding any incident. I've owned hunting dogs my entire life, and know what makes them tick. When kids approach my dogs (Jack Russell Terriers are kid magnets) I educate them about how to do it properly, so that they are aware of the rules of engagement when meeting a strange dog. I do this for me, and for them - my dogs have never bitten anyone - but why take a chance?

Some folks have genuine fear of dogs - for good reason. Dogs do bite people - I've seen friendly, well-behaved dogs snap at someone when they are afraid or over-stimulated.

Ignorant, abusive owners are out there - look at the name they've made for the American Pit Bull Terrier this past ten years. Please don't confuse yourself reading my posts, what I write is usually what I mean.

-Erik

By brian k on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 07:50 am: Edit

ERIK, buddy, relax. I didn't misread anything you said. You wrote 'MY DOGS ARE ALWAYS ON LEAD WHEN OUT IN PUBLIC'. Why? That nearly borders on creulty to animals in my opinion. A dog park is public. A nat'l. forest is public. A big grassy field where the nearest car is a mile away is public. Of course the owner is responsible for the dog and, no kidding, having your dog run free where there are cars and a lot of people is stupid and irrresponsible. But, for instance, if you're out hiking in the woods(public place)where seeing a person is very few and far between, you're still going to jerk your dog around on a leash and deny that animal a few hours of freedom? This happened to me, we were out in the woods and hadn't seen a person for hours. We came upon this lady and my dog had no interest in her - he didn't even acknowledge her. All he cared about were all the sticks he could chew and all the trees he could pee on, but this woman just HAD TO make all sorts of nasty comments. After my interaction with her, I'm sure she would've wished the dog had ME on a leash. And if for some bizarre reason my dog were to 'freak out' while off leash, I'd tackle that bad boy so fast he wouldn't be able to lay on paw on her. But I'm not going to cave into your 'well a lady was mauled by a dog in san fran so every animal needs to be on a leash in public' comment. That's crazy. For god sake, use common sense. Go out and let your dog be a dog once in a while - that is, if it's not already traumatized by being on a leash or only being allowed to run 'free' in the backyard all of its life.

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 09:15 am: Edit

Actually, my dogs are off-leash in the dog parks we have here every weekend. There's about 22 miles of trails behind my house for mixed use; horses, mountain bikes and and people with dogs. They always have their harnesses on in case we meet a skitish horse, but they are off-lead the whole time we're on our weekend walks. My JRTs get pretty antsy waiting for me at home all day.

Honestly, don't get yourself too excited - you don't know me. Both of my dogs hunt - which is what they were bred for by Jack Russell himself. What was your dog bred for before the AKC ruined the breed with confirmations?

I did say something about "in public", but I should have clarified that they're off-leash when we're in the parks that allow it.

Like you say, common sense and good training goes a long way. Let's stop talking about it after you get in one last uninformed volley - I think the original thread was about beer anyway.

Erik Olson

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 09:29 am: Edit

I have to keep my dog on a leash. Since the area we live in has so many people living in fear of Pit Bulls mine is always on a leash.. Now, if I take him some where open and let him off the leash he doesn't always come back. Since he isn't used to running around on his own. So now he has to stay on a leash all the time. I did get him a 30' leash though. It however it a real PITA in the woods..