By arttsai on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:25 am: Edit

I know they're attracting different buyers, but I really like the supercharged x-terra commercial(the one in the sand dune). It seems like years ago LR used camel trophy footage in tv commercial--that one really got me hooked. I also recall seeing lr commercials touting the toughness of the truck w/ two man hammering the undercarriage. My old auto magazines are filled w/ lr one page ad (when lr is importing the D90s).

Jeep had been advertising their "legendary offroad history" and using CGI to over-dramatize the off-road capability. Even the new Mercedes M class commercial showed the truck crossing artificial obstacle course and "test mud" like it's an offroad god. I recall reading that LR is the first auto maker to use a dirty vehicle in their ad..., why can't they continue the tradition? Now lr is "reduced" to running 30min informercails during late night. They're boring at best and off roaders will likely find it laughable. The best demostration of the discovery capability in the informercial is the disco running the offroad test drive course in a dealer. I want to see an ad that shows a lr flexing its suspension and being abused in general...

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:45 am: Edit

Send them a few clips from the Moab video.

But you're right about that test mud on the benz ad, pretty pathetic. Basically it looks like muddy water. Lets take it to the Barrens!

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:45 am: Edit

I think the "hammering on the chassis" commercial was for a Volvo....

I couldn't stand the 2 Land Rover commercials where the lady's at the beach or the couple pick up a dog on the way to an opera.

But I really appreciated the hard-drivin' TreK vehicle commercials that are on the Discovery channel, etc..... the ones where it says "First we hire our Sales Guides, Then we try to make them quit" showing them winching through muck, driving over bridges, etc. etc.....

I think some MAR footage, or some Moab footage, might make a better commercial.

Hey Axel, are you up for making your own Land Rover commercial??


-L

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:55 am: Edit

Click on the big picture on the main page, how's that for a commercial?

Or just use this link:
http://www.discoweb.org/video/moab2001tr2b.rm

(You need Real Media to view it)

Axel

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:37 am: Edit

Yeah!!!

That's cool, except..... where's the MUD????


The Moab video is great for the rock-crawlin' scene, ala the Western flavor, but IMHO it'd be cool to have a MAR/Tellico/"Eastern US" video showing splashes and winching up muddy banks too steep to stand on.... just for variety....

Nice commercial, tho'.... I love the "No pregnant ladies/wet dogs".... Wet dogs would be okay, if it's standing in the river while the Rovers are rollin' by.....


-L

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:39 am: Edit

You want mud? How about this:

http://www.discoweb.org/video/pbmay2001.rm


Axel

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:44 am: Edit

How about:

They don't build them like they used to.

And show a series going through hell followed by a disco going through hell.

And then the announcer:

They now come with leather

By Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:44 am: Edit

Leslie,
I posted the exact same sentiment about the "Courage" commercials on the disco2 BB and got a responce that "wearing a two piece bathing suit on the beach when your pregnent must require corrage....bla ..bla..
And it wasn't writen by a woman.
When the Trek spots would air, I jump around the house like a kid....my actions anoy my wife but the dog thinks it's fun.
At least jeep owners can look at the TV with some pride...
Let's not forget, "the new Discovery II is so large you could lose your kid in it."
AAAHHHHH!!
Carl

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:46 am: Edit

There ya go!!!


Put some rockin' music to it, too, and you're getting there....

Eastern mud-n-rock hill climb in the deep woods! That's what's missing!!

-L

By Horness Spencer (Horness) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:50 am: Edit

An ad which states - "...if you think this this is a people carrier to take you and the kids to school every morning, then you're too dumb to own the new Land Rover..."

Then a few choice pics from Moab etc., and a still of Ax, Ho and Kyle standing beside a "real" disco.

...The New Discovery... BRING IT ON!!!

Seen a few reviews on the new J**p. ALL have said that it is not a patch on the old (95 model) cherokee. (which cannot compare to the green oval)

Merc powered engine could muster just 14MPG as an average, and the clearance was way too low for the reviewers liking.

HRNESS

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:54 am: Edit

I wholly gotta agree w/ ya Carl.... my kids like to join in w/ my "Rover dance" when the Trek commericals are on!!!





-L

By JC on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 05:47 am: Edit

I say make a commercial of Leslie & kids doin' the Rover Dance! Then just throw in some off-road footage, and some phrase like "Are you a Rover nut?"

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 05:48 am: Edit

Now that would be funny

Ron

By Tate on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 05:57 am: Edit

Ron, your Series/Disco commercial would be AWESOME. That's an add I'd like to see. Much better than the wet dog one. In their defense, though, Rover owners in gereral are very decent people. In that respect, it's true.
(I'm feeling Rover goodness left over from the MAR, as well as getting my rearview replaced and having LRNA say today that they'd "take care of" my rust :-)).

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 05:59 am: Edit

How about LRNA sends a couple people to events and after a hard day of everyone trail riding and such they take a few pictures of some mud covered Rovers with the whole group (tents, rovers, people and all) in the back ground.. Then add a simple caption like "What did you do last Saturday?"...

By lynden on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 11:54 am: Edit

Okay...
Picture of queen elizabeth getting in/out of a rover (all the pomp and circumstance that people think are accompanied by Rovers [URS]) then "this aint your mothers car..." Pictures of Rovers splashing, crashing, crawling and generally going crazy. That would sell on both sides of the pond...
But then we'll see disco' all over... they'd spring up like... like j**ps...
Maybe this all isn't a great idea.
Lynden

By Tate on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 12:00 pm: Edit

I just saw a print add for new Rangies. It was mainly a simple shot of the Rangie on a generic background. The text of the ad was solely selling image. It was like, "If you want to be like rock stars, queens, and the Pope, drive a new Rangie." Ew. I guess it boils down to doing whatever you have to do to get them out the door. On an positive note, there was a small shot with Churchill beside a Series truck.

By Justin on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 12:12 pm: Edit

I saw a print ad the other day in the Aspen Magazine that had a checklist for buying a new luxury suv...
1. Has it ever been dropped into combat by parachute.
2. Has royalty ever gone offroading in it.
3. Has it crossed Mongolia twice.

Stuff like that...I thought it was pretty cool

also the ad that shows the trek shot of the guys winching through the river
"because darwin and murphy were right you need to own a discovery"..or something like that.

On a different issue...is it illegal to rip one page ads out of different magazines in the store (they sure seemed to think so...)
Justin

By Tate on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 12:18 pm: Edit

hehe...nice. That's a good one.

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 12:25 pm: Edit

After running up the hill climb in Series Rovers and D-90s, I put a bunch of those guys in my Disco then ran up the hill. Some of the comments made were:

"This thing's a HECK of a lot more comfy than your 90!"

"This thing's an off-roading Barcalounger!"

"It's climbing this hill w/o ANY trouble just like a 90 AND it has seat HEATERS in the LEATHER interior??!!"

"This thing's so cushy, I'm not busting my butt like I did in your 109"!!"


I love my Disco.....


-L

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 12:35 pm: Edit

>How about:
>
>They don't build them like they used to.
>
>And show a series going through hell followed by >a disco going through hell.
>
>And then the announcer:
>
>They now come with leather

actually, Ron, they build them better - a Disco is a better off-roader than a Series.
compare a disco and a S-III going through the same place -
http://www.t-r-j.com/Video/wf_96D101_s.avi
http://www.t-r-j.com/Video/wf_S301_s.avi
(large files)
unfortunately, neither of those would make a commercial; disco made it look too easy, Series didn't make it

peter

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 12:42 pm: Edit

There is no mud in those.

I was invisioning something like a muddy hill climb.

Ron

BTW there is no way a stock Series factory fresh on dunlops terra grips or Firestone SATs will be outwheeled by a disco on stock michelins (IMHO). On the rocks it would be close but in mud . . .

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 12:48 pm: Edit

Gotta agree, Ron, the right tires make a BIG difference...

-L

(Still lovin' my Dunlop R/Ts!!!)

By peter on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:30 pm: Edit

on the slickrock it will be.

but two little video clips had a Series on BFG Trac Edges and Disco on Futura Enforcers, so it would've been outwheeled in the mud, too.
note that the Series had a locker or two, while the Disco had open diffs.

peter

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:34 pm: Edit

so it would've been outwheeled in the mud, too.

I smell a challenge !

Anyone.

Series waiting . . .

so far no one has taken me up on it

Ron

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:36 pm: Edit

Wheres the mud Ron ?

Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:42 pm: Edit

You pick. just let me know when/where.

Robesonia PA, Halloween Extreme in Maine.

Ron

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:47 pm: Edit

Lets Dance

Dean

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:48 pm: Edit

Ron - got lockers?

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:49 pm: Edit

What the hell is in PA ? You are in NJ Ron ? OR NY ? Lets do a little something in the near future...


Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Ok Dean,

When are you free? How about you sign up and meet me there for the event on November 3rd? We can run through the sticks and try the big hill afterwards.

Ron

Email pabrit (at) yahoo . com for the form

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:52 pm: Edit

mud.... makes me homesick

no friggin mud in So Cal... just sand and jagged rocks. not your photogenic commercial stuff...

peter

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:54 pm: Edit

I am in philadelphia but I go to NY (upstate) a lot.

The PA site is private property owned by a club member. clubs are for baby seals, right Kyle (until you want someone to help or someplace to wheel) it used to be a quarry and is now mud and stones and steep hills with trees all over. Not too big but definately a challenge.


Dean. I got an ARB but it (or rather my gears) are uncoperative and I am seaking professional help before I install the third member. Should be in by then but I dunno for sure.

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:55 pm: Edit

Kyle,

You know my email.

Let me know if you want to do something.

Ron

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 01:57 pm: Edit

Hmmm , there is some stuff in PA that isnt private...We have to bring Roberto into this...I can never get enough of seeing him stuck...

Kyle

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:04 pm: Edit

Ron,

Am I reading you right? You are challenging a disco2 (with big mud tires), and an older series with no working lockers?

Dean

Please show us a photo of your rig, if you have one.

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:05 pm: Edit

LOL , yeah , he is Dean and if he knows how to drive the thing you are about to go to school....lol

Kyle

By John on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:09 pm: Edit

$10 on the series....

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:09 pm: Edit

Kyle,

Pardon my English, but 'go to school'? Huh?

I used to have a stock series 3, so don't think I am blindly making this challenge. At least with my older rig, there simply was no comparison at all in their traction ability, although the series would probably win on approach/departure.

Come on Ron, what's so special about your rig? What stuff you got hooked up?

Dean

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:11 pm: Edit

is this gonna take place at the 80 degree wall?

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:11 pm: Edit

http://www.discoweb.org/alyssa/noah.jpg

Here is Noah with the PU cab. Worst thing I ever did was sell the PU cab off it.

And Yup.

Me and my 42 year old series with worn General Super All Grips v you and your shiny DII with new BFGs.

Ron

Nothing special. New Springs, decent tires, idjit driver

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:13 pm: Edit

Approach , departure , wieght , and the most important. "I dont give a fuck"
"I dont give a fuck" is easier in an old beater series and it can do wonders.... A man with a real solid "I dont give a fuck" attitude and some decent equipment can run circles around you...

Kyle

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:15 pm: Edit

Let's make sure we get it all on video, I'll bring my camcorder.

Axel

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:16 pm: Edit

"I dont give a fuck"

I prefer to think of it as "I have spares"

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:18 pm: Edit

You have spares,,,therefore you...... ??

Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:18 pm: Edit

BTW

Noah takes offsense at being called a "beater" There is more time and money in her than any of the other trucks. I just belive in using the vehicle as Maurice intended.

Ron

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:19 pm: Edit

You have spares,,,therefore you...... ?? \


Can fix it IF i want to.

Ron

By John on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:21 pm: Edit

Whos series was running around with the wind shield down at MAR? That was a "I dont give a hoot" driver.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:22 pm: Edit

LOL

Kyle,

What I am getting to is comparing two vehicles. I don't want to get into stuff like "if I beat it up enough, it can do better than yours" crap. You know that's bullshit. On those lines, you could argue that some crappy cheep is better than your own disco, right?

The reason I challenged originally, and this goes back a few months, was the number of rediculous claims for older stock series vehicle outperforming, on traction grounds, a disco2. LOL.

There were also clear arguments about how a disco1 with its CDL was supposedly better than a disco2 without (but with TC). Well, we proved that was a loada crap on the last trip to the pines last month.

Ron - got photo / details?

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:23 pm: Edit

I dunno?

Mine was the one with the pushed in right fender

Ron

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:24 pm: Edit

Maurice would be proud of ya, Ron!!


-L

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:25 pm: Edit

Ok,

Who thinks Dean is right?

Ron

By John on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:26 pm: Edit

$20 on the series...

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:27 pm: Edit

"just belive in using the vehicle as Maurice intended. "

usage or abusage?

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:29 pm: Edit

Maurice would be proud of ya, Ron!!

He would have wouldn't he.

On a DII it would have wrecked the bumper, fender, , definately pushed in a crush can, maybe set off the airbags, maybe tripped the inertia sensor.

Noah, just winched her free (she was over about 60-70 degrees so she would not idle to use her own winch) Winched the end of the bumper strait, pulled the fender out and kept on going.

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:29 pm: Edit

dean, i see where you comingm from.
theoretically ETC is better than no ETC.
and in a lot of people's mind, a disco2 will outperform an old series.

but, BUT, thats' in theory... out there in the trail, theories go out the window especially when ron has plenty spares. and the goal is to make it up and over the obstacle.

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:29 pm: Edit

Dean, I spent part of the day at MAR following a Series II Disco, and he was having ALL sorts of trouble getting up even little things that my stock DI just glided over....

IMO, though, I think it was the driver... not that I'm Superman like Ron or Kyle , but that the fella had no idea how to make proper use of his ETC....

I'll put $20 on Noah...

-L


Ho: abusage IS a form of usage, eh??

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:30 pm: Edit

between the Series and D-2, my $10 goes to Series - it doesn't have the ETC to crap out

ron, i hope you got real lockers, not an ARB

peter

By John on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:30 pm: Edit

I liked the yellow series with the rounded front fenders and 33's or 35's...that was quite the rig. Never saw him doing much with it.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:30 pm: Edit

Ron,

Where are the details I keep asking for? I mean, there must be some reason why you think your series can do such shit! Cause it can't be stock!

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:33 pm: Edit

Peter,

I would have got a "real" locker for Noah but she gets flat towed all over and the ARB was almost free (350 with the compressor, new bearing, and such).

John,

The yellow beast came from FLA and we both know what the people from FLA ended up doing

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:36 pm: Edit

oh well, hope your plumbing holds up together!

peter

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:37 pm: Edit

hey now, what's wrong with the good ole ARB locker?

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:38 pm: Edit

"abusage IS a form of usage, eh?? "


so true...

By John on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:39 pm: Edit

Lol,the ARB's wont get you up 80 degree slopes

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:40 pm: Edit

Dean,

Its stock! New stock springs, new stock frame, The only trick I have is the tires (bias ply general super all grip with tubes) I have not had to air down yet and it still goes pretty good but you can go to 2psi if you want .

I was a skeptic too. Then I watched tricked out D90s try to go up a hill and get stuck. Then a tricked out RR. The Alyssa gave it a few shots in the DI (with beastwars tires and she is a way better driver than me).

Noah and I sat and waited.

After asking alyssa if she would winch me out WHEN I got stuck I gave it a go. 2nd gear low box, full throttle.

Noah made it up. was not much of a challenge either. Proof enough for me.

Is Noah as capable as John Disco or Drew's RR? No way. Could I run a trail with them and not fall hopelessly behind, sure.

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:41 pm: Edit

John,

You need an LWB and 35s too for that

Ron

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:44 pm: Edit

I got 20 on the series as well and I dont think you proved much in the barrens deadn comparing the DI and DII. Perhaps youw ant a little action comparing to my DI ??

Kyle

By John on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:45 pm: Edit

Lol, Drew is getting the his truck to where it holds up great, and some big parts here in the shop yet to go on..Its truly turning into a beast.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:46 pm: Edit

Ron,

Three quick Qs:

1. So you have no lockers?
2. You did not compare that hill with a Disco2?
3. What kinda hill? Massive rocks? Slippery wet mud / smooth?

Dean

By John on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:49 pm: Edit

Lol, $30 on the Rons series

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:50 pm: Edit

Kyle,

I would never dare compare my driving or car with the gurus / machines I saw on the Moab vid. That's stuff was f(*^%&* amazing. But nevertheless, what I want to do is see how a stock series can beat a disco2's traction control. I have had both, and I must be somehow missing the point, because there was just no way my series3 could EVER beat my disco2 up a slippery hill! Big rocks? - now that's different.

Dean

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:57 pm: Edit

So that's $60 on the series, and a whopping $0 on my disco2.

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:58 pm: Edit

Three quick Qs:

1. So you have no lockers?

Not in the series

2. You did not compare that hill with a Disco2?

No Disco II would go near the hill. The one guy in a DII around freaked when a D90 tried to go up it, failed, stopped on hill hit the brake and slid sidways when the front came around

3. What kinda hill? Massive rocks? Slippery wet mud / smooth?

Mud pit at the base, slipery mud with bumps on the way up (the bumps killed everyone who made it throuhg the mud pit as they would lift a wheel or two, make you lose momentum and traction)

If you think what the Moad video showed was hard core you are in for a suprise Brian ran that with a stock TJ.

Ron

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:59 pm: Edit

in about a couple of minutes, check this -
http://www.t-r-j.com/Video/udh_S3_s.AVI

though, if you watch this, it ain't looking
as cool -
http://www.t-r-j.com/Video/udh_80wt_s.AVI

the place's called Up-Down hill
when it was covered in snow, i couldn't make 1/2 of it in a big jeep with chains and locker

peter

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:59 pm: Edit

If you think what the Moad video showed was hard core you are in for a
suprise Brian ran that with a stock TJ.

I did not mean to talk smack as I am sure it was challenging, just saying that was not the worst I have seen.

Sorry

Ron

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Whoa....

Is the clock on the board for the time-of-post REALY working now???







-L

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:04 pm: Edit

somebody say PA...

i think that place is near Johnstown, very close buy. i'll go get stuck there , i dont care.

why does it amuse you, that's what i want to know...

rd
p.s. series will win buy a nose

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:08 pm: Edit

Uh, Dean....

Since John keeps raising his ante, my count is at least $80 on Noah The SII....




-L

By Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:09 pm: Edit

That's a mad unit Ron, and I've seen Dean's rig perform very well in the mud.
Jury's still out for me, but I want to see this showdown in person.

Carl

If I were a betting man, (and I'm not) I'd put my money on ME...and put you both to town with my stock 18" racing low profile Goodyears!

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:14 pm: Edit

Ron , you havnt been to Moab and you still havnt seen.... The video does nothing for the obstacles...

Kyle

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:17 pm: Edit

was it Ron (Ammon) or Dan who made the Hole in the Rock in 2WD in a rangie?

like ho sez, "moab's all scenic shit"

peter

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:21 pm: Edit

lol , everyone says that until they get a wheel a few feet in the air on the left side with a 200' drop off to the right... YOu lay your junk over in a mud hole and its no biggie. Lay your junk over there and its a long time before it finds the bottom.. And peter , didnt you turn around on PSM ?

Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:25 pm: Edit

Ya,

Never been out there so was not me which is why I appoliged for my comment. Noah would suck out there I am betting. Not enough flex and SWB not the way to go.

Ron

By Kyle on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:28 pm: Edit

The little trucks actually kick ass there. Being low and manueverable out there is what wins the game in most spots..


Kyle

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:29 pm: Edit

c'mon kyle,

don't make me duck under covers!
yeah, i turned around at PSM - the reasons being 50% of female population, $G sliders with stock michelins, had to be home next morning (in san diego), blah blah blah,
but the main reason - no peer pressure.

PSM is easier than many local trails here.

peter

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:38 pm: Edit

Oh - wait....

I remember that. That series was so damm top/back heavy that he couldn't climb anything. That's the same day we tipped him over in Broken Glass Alley.

I seem to remember all the Disco's (even Chris Walkers BROKEN one) went up that hill just fine...

keith
discosaurus

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:40 pm: Edit

Ron:

I think Noah would do well in Moab. You may stall on some of the steeper climbs like Rockpile, and need to be winched by somebody else, but I think a series would do well out there. The drive out there in a series would suck though....

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:42 pm: Edit

Ron, you need to take that "I'll climb it even if I break it attitude" over to the D90 board. They like crap like that over there.

keith
discosaurus

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:44 pm: Edit

yep, that was then.

Nick was indeed top heavy - with at least three full jerrycans on the roof rack.

http://www.t-r-j.com/Los-Coyotes/10Dec00/img51.jpg

but he did very good overall. he actually did climb that loose dirt/rutted/steep hill in the end of the trail - which took me three attempts to make, and i had to zigzag between the ruts to get up.

peter

By John on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Ron, you need to take that "I'll climb it even if I break it attitude" over to the D90 board.

LOL,And proberly run with most of them....

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:49 pm: Edit

D90 list is into rocks.

But they help me with my 110 questions, specially the british guys.

I will try if I think I have a chance. I think I have ok judgement, and know what to do when I don't make it.

I certianly don't subscribe to the climb it or I will break it but I don't go pout in a corner when i take out a fender either.

Cheers
Ron

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 03:59 pm: Edit

Ron,

pabrit (at) yahoo . com

I don't know about this - an event or something? Could you give me a few details, since I have none yet. And how's about a photo of this big hill? Just like to know what I'm getting into (biting nails)

Dean

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 04:15 pm: Edit

This is it:




Just kidding....

By Bill Bettridge (Billb) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 04:23 pm: Edit

Dean - etc - If anyone wants any of the Robesonia, PA info faxed to them - just shoot me your # and I'll send it right over.


Ron - looks like John B and I are going up on Sat.


Bill

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 04:37 pm: Edit

Dean,

The way it works is if you are not comfortable just don't do it. Not going rather than risk damage is respected. You will be able to see and make your judgement. You should be ok running the whole course we set up (the big hill is not part of the course) and we can try other stuff too if you want.

Ron

Bill B. I will try to make it. Does John have his TTs in?

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 04:39 pm: Edit

PS Axel

It is worse than that

Ron

By Bill Bettridge (Billb) on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 04:58 pm: Edit

Yeah - that hill scares me - especially that boulder halfway up - and I'm the dipsh*t that tried to winch up the 75 deg hill! LOL

Ron - GB is supposed to send out the TT 3rd members today - not sure when John will get 'em yet.

By Ron on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 05:37 pm: Edit

The bolder ain't bad on the way up, its just if you don't make it and have to back down . . . or worse yet start barrelling down.

Ron

Bill Molly shouldn't care, she still has the pristine RR

As for Sat. I have to get Noah's Battery and alternator checked so I don't think I can go (I am not prepared to do two lantern batteries in series and compression starts if I don't have to )

I might go in the RR but we will see.

By peter matusov on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 06:25 pm: Edit

check the links for "Bronco Hill," "El Hill," and "Los Coyotes" on the web - I'm yet to see a rover making it up the El Hill... You may drive by without realizing that there's a road up that granite wall!

peter

By KJ on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 11:57 pm: Edit

I only understand some of this, but you guys do crack me up. Guess this is the cyber version of the campfire Kyle's always talking about....where's my decoder ring?

Karen ;)