By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 04:42 am: Edit

I have just learned superwinch made a PTO driven winch for a Disco. It is most commonly seen on D90/D110/D130 but here it is on a disco



It looks like a husky but it is actually a mechanical PTO with a drive shaft. The winch is available in the US as Hydraulic as the H12w or H14w

It is worm gear and weighs 112 lbs WITHOUT the wire or PTO

http://www.superwinch.com/h12w.htm

I am working on finding one now. Unfortunately it looks to be 3k + new.

Ron

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 04:44 am: Edit

I don't want the hydraulic, I want the one with the mechanical PTO shaft. I am seeing if David Boyer has any.

Ron

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 04:53 am: Edit

Ouch , you can do something much cheaper then that. And the placement sucks...


Kyle

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 05:31 am: Edit

Yes,

But 14k, mechanical

I can deal with it.

Placement is better on the magic bus

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 05:42 am: Edit

What I am saying is that many people make a mechanical cheaper. Thats a little rediculous. A kick ass winch no doubt. But price tag is silly as always with superwinch..

Kyle

By Ali on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 06:00 am: Edit

How's is getting driven? Off of the crankshaft I imagine since T-case is too far away and facing the wrong way

By yle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 11:54 am: Edit

Has way too much cable for you Ali...

Kyle

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:03 pm: Edit

Ali,

No off the T-case NOT the crack. Your winch now has 4 forward gears Have not seen the set up but I imagine a chain or gear housing using a rover PTO (like the GKN overdrive or Ashcroft underdrive) with a forward shaft at the bottom.

Ron

PS Kyle that was UK price (2300UKP, a husky was 1000UKP) so maybe I can find one cheaper.

For 1500-2000 it would be worth it.

I have heard reference to one with 120m (400 ft) of cable but have not confirmed

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:04 pm: Edit

Who else makes a mechanical that would work?

I have access to an old ramsey off a international wrecker.

Ron

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:06 pm: Edit

goto:

http://www.roversdownsouth.com/defender.htm
scroll down half way

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:09 pm: Edit

Pokerob,

I have one of those already (I am a winch addict) I am selling it for $450 if anyone is interested.

Ron

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:15 pm: Edit

what is the difference between that one and the one you WANT?

rd

By peter matusov on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:16 pm: Edit

a few fellas in a D90 made it to the top of Mt.Elbrus (5642m). They welded second rims to the front wheels (a la duallie style), and used them as winch drums. You can hardly beat that!

http://mountains.tos.ru/kopylov/pict/avt1.jpg

I'll try to find better pics

peter

By p m on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:17 pm: Edit

there is a better look -
http://mountains.tos.ru/kopylov/pict/avt2.jpg

peter

By Al Hang (Alhang) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:19 pm: Edit

More and more the Ramsey line of winches is looking better and better. An RE will winch all day, an entire group of modified discos without complaint. It's easy to service and affordable, parts are readily available. I just don't see the advantage of getting such a rare setup other than bragging rights at the local pub. Come on Ron, take your Lithium and come back to reality.

-Al

By p m on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:28 pm: Edit

http://shop.rockandice.com/flashes/news/main/97/nov.html#elbrus

hehehe

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:33 pm: Edit

The difference is the capstan is

1. Hard to use, impossible on your own
2. rated at 4000lbs

Al its not for bragging rights. I just can't take any more electric winches they will all fail. I have seen failed REs too.

Ron

By Moe (Moe) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:40 pm: Edit

I am scrapping the RE and going with this setup. For reliability reasons, I am also thinking about exchanging the V8 for a pack of horses.

By Moe (Moe) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Try again.

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:49 pm: Edit

You jest but it is not that bad of an idea. Areoparts capstans came with a had crank and I think some early LR hydraulic winches did as well.

Ron

By Al Hang (Alhang) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:50 pm: Edit

haha...

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:53 pm: Edit

Ron a ramsey will run off of PTO as will allot of the worm winches. Its just a different motor adapter. There is even a two speed RE. I have to say that I am liking the PTO thing. Just bugs me that it wont run if stalled...


Kyle

By Moe (Moe) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:55 pm: Edit

That beast is rated between 10-15 Ton!

http://www.wintech-winches.com/Hand_Winches/hand_winches.htm

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:56 pm: Edit

Also Ron , the superwinch that you are showing is just like the RE. I am betting that its nothing like the poodle but rather more like the industrial ramseys.. Why not skip the bullshit ?


Kyle

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:58 pm: Edit

Kyle,

1. where can one get a PTO for an LT230?

2. what side of the winch is the ramsey PTO driveshaft thingy on (I forgot)? I think Right side (when in the DS) is what is needed.

3. To improve position you could employ to shain housings which would allow the winch to be higher up. See what I am thinking? Mental picture formed.

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:04 pm: Edit

Moe,

Your winch weighs 650lbs!!!


Kyle,

It is like the poodle but without the motor and with a bigger drum and beefed up case (i think).

The question is where is the input on the RE. and is it compatible with where you can put a driveshaft.

You are right in that the principal is similar but inches might matter.

Ron

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:07 pm: Edit

Maxidrive will have a pto I am quite sure. The ramsey input is on the passengers side. And yes I am getting what you are saying but still not seeing a shaft snaking up through all that crap on the passengers side...

Kyle

By michel on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:08 pm: Edit

Maxidrive makes the pto for the lt230 and bill at great bassin rovers sells them. They have to flavors one that will power a hydraulic pump, and one that will power a mechanical device. I'm not sure if you can fit the latter on the disco, but it works in the defender.

Michel

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:09 pm: Edit

I will look tonight.

I have a couple of PTO shafts from a series Koenig I can mock up and see.

Ron

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:09 pm: Edit

No , its nothing like the poodle and I will bet you big money it has a manshaft all the way though it of substantial size... Its an undustrial worm. The poodle isnt...


Kyle

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:10 pm: Edit

Micheal,

exactly how much is the mechanical one?

Ron

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:12 pm: Edit

Kyle,

"Gearbox: Steel centered, aluminum bronze wormwheel and case hardened, ground and polished wormshaft with 48:1 gear ratio. Ball & needle bearing construction."

OK so better than the poodle.

Ron

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:14 pm: Edit

But same as the RE......lol

Kyle

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:16 pm: Edit

Not quite Kyle.

Check it out on the stupidwinch site

Ron

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:19 pm: Edit

Ron,

You could get the Maxidrive hydraulic pump PTO and the hydraulic version of that winch....

Hydraulic would be a lot simpler to route than the mechanical.

Mechanical and hydraulic both have the same downside, that the rig needs to be running, but if you've got it running either should be the cat's meow...

-L

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:21 pm: Edit

Hydraulics fail too. Seal goes etc. Line dry rots etc.

By kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:22 pm: Edit

Well , if that thing doesnt have a main shaft it needs to go out the window. I am betting it does. You see the case is different then the poodle and the poodles drum just rides in the bare aluminum case..


Kyle

By michel on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:23 pm: Edit

lots hehe

ummm, The hydraulic one is in the 500 range, don't know about the mechanical one.

http://www.4wdworld.com.au/products/maxidrive/index.htm

Michel

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:24 pm: Edit

Simple maintenence, Ron... if you can keep the truck in running shape, you can keep the winch in shape, too.

Hydraulic "shouldn't" go out on you like your poodle if you keep it fluidized....

-L

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:25 pm: Edit

lol , Ron , thats the beauty of the RE. One model is the same as all the others. You just remove the gearbox and bolt on the PTO , or the Hydraulic , or whatever... The point is though,,,the small ones have the same parts as the big ones. All of them are built as strong. They use one basic winch body and change the motor configuration to fit different aplications.The damn thing is beautifull I tell ya , you just need to embrace it...

Kyle

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:26 pm: Edit

you just need to
embrace it...

Never! hehehehe But I suupose I will go acquire that Mechanical ramsey to play with :-)

Ron

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:29 pm: Edit

Yes , and if you dont want it , you know where to pass it on to...

Kyle

By Al Hang (Alhang) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:33 pm: Edit

"Never! hehehehe But I suupose I will go acquire that Mechanical ramsey to play with :-)
"

hehe, almost there Ron... just a little more. Think of it, just 799 and 2 wires and you are good to go. Engine doesn't even have to be running. You could also just modify it later if you wish to go hydraulic or whatever. It will even run with the engine off.

By Al Hang (Alhang) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:33 pm: Edit

whoops... gotta proof read more often

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:35 pm: Edit

799 two wires and a ford starter motor driving it.

2 out of 3 ain't bad until you need all three to work.

Ron

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:46 pm: Edit

Didn't somebody on here try to fit Bill's PTO on their Disco LT230 ??

It wouldn't fit. It's made for a D90 and there's not enough clearance behind the TC of a Disco...

keith
discosaurus

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:49 pm: Edit

The mechanical one should fit as it would not have the big pump on the back

Ron

Percraps I will call Bill and ask . . .

By Kyle on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:58 pm: Edit

YEah Keith , it wasnt a try it was a go. It fits , it just aint easy... But then again , what is ?
Kyle

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 03:10 pm: Edit

Bill says:

1. The PTO WILL fit a disco as will the hydraulic PTO but you have to drop the tranny to install

2. 3/4 keyed shaft with standard u joints (same as koenig, ramsey PTO (I think)

3. 75lb/ft or torque heheheheheehehehehe

4. Chain housing basically the same as a Koenig off a series (see other thread for pic)

5. Shafts go ABOVE tranny mounts so no loss in ground clearance (IMO skid plates would be good)

6. Price: ~700 not bad at all

Ron

PS So Kyle, what do you think? You want to make me a sexy gard bumper for the ramsey mechanical winch?

By Ron on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 03:13 pm: Edit

Should be 3/4" keyed shaft

Ron

By michel on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 04:19 pm: Edit

ummm,

I've got the PTO on the disco. If you have questions just ask.

Michel