By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 09:53 am: Edit

Hi,

I went to manhattan last weekend, and since we had just moved out of Battery Park we still had passes that allowed us into the near-ground zero area to look for our friend. I just wanted to share some of these photos, since I read that some of you were not able to get much closer than the third photo.

Dean.


This is the view from NJ. You could smell something really bad - there are still about 400 tons of dead bodies still there!



Just trucking out another piece



This is about as close (from the south) as you can get normally.



Winter garden next to Hudson. The WTC is right through the glass at the back.



World Financial Center



There were many more like this.



Battery Park area



ditto



From the East side



Ditto



shop nearby



Just ain't the same, is it?

Dean

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 09:55 am: Edit

Dean,

I don't know if you noticed but, the pics aren't there.

-glenn

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 09:57 am: Edit

Glenn,

After you make the post, you then upload the photos.... Sometimes it takes a little bit to get all of them uploaded....

Patience!




-L

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 09:57 am: Edit

Wow! That was really weird! I must've posted while the pics were uploading. HHmmm...really, really weird!


-glenn

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 11:08 am: Edit

Dean - those pics really look upsetting! I had a chance to go there back in Sept 16, 5 days after the attacks and it did have a weird smell (back then it smelled like an electrical fire or a short circuit of some sort), I can't even begin to imagine how it is now.

Anyway, I'm just glad that this is currently going on in the Afghan skies right now...

By Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 11:15 am: Edit

My best friend is a tug boat engineer in the harbor and his tug is hauling debris all day, every day. I was talking to his wife on Tuesday night. She can't get the smell out of his laundry. I don't know how he works there every day.

After 20 years in the USN, he has a lot of stories to tell. Horrible things he has seen in Kuwait, off Africa, East Timor two years ago, etc. He can't stop talking about what he is seeing in New York right now. Last week, they found a womens shoe in the barge they were hauling. Everything stopped, the NYPD came down, and they spent all day shifting through the haul to see if they found anything else.

They estimate they will be doing this until well into next summer/fall.

By KJ on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 11:17 am: Edit

Dean,

It's incredibly sobering to see these pics. I truly can't begin to imagine the toll it's taking on the workers at the site. 5 weeks later and it's still smouldering. Some things are just beyond imagining.

Karen

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 11:34 am: Edit

Karen,

Its a lot more sobering to see it in actuality. We had gone into an apartment building next to the one we used to live in, and asked about our friend there. They said that 15 people had not reported back to their building, but he said that this doesn't mean they are missing, since some of them had just packed up and haven't returned yet. Hm, sounds like comforting words, and not reality.

Unfortuantely our friend has still not returned. She was working in 1WTC.

BTW the whole area of battery park was still covered with gray dust - even these building with 1 million dollar apartments that are usually so wonderfully clean.

Just un-f*^%*^ beleivable. Of course the other observation is the huge hole in the skyline, with all the light now coming in. The whole fucking city now is no different from any other big city -whereas it used to be so distinct.

(Pardon my language) Dean

By KJ on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 11:55 am: Edit

Dean,

Everyone on the scene says the very same thing you do, that it's really overwhelming to actually see it first hand. It WAS weird seeing those clouds floating where before they'd never have been visible. I'll keep your friend in my thoughts and hope for the best. I'm afraid there will be a lot of stories of people never returning and no evidence of them ever seen again. Once people grasp the truth of things, all they can hope for is a body to confirm. Many will never get that definitive proof and I'm sure that will be very difficult to deal with. As for language, I say let it roll. It's our way of howling at the moon I guess, and I do it plenty.

Karen

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 12:34 pm: Edit

I was down there the other day, too. It is very sobering, indeed. I had to visit my company's branch at 120 Bway, which is a block away from WTC. I also worked in 140 and 222 Broadway for 10-12 years, and used to come through WTC on the Path train twice daily. Lucky for me, my department was relocated to Jersey City before this all happened.

By Heather on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 01:16 pm: Edit

The tug boat story brought tears to my eyes,,,and so did the pics and other stories,,, I too will keep your friends and families in my thoughts,,, I am finding my self kind of speechless at this time so I will catch ya on another thread,,, god bless you all

By Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 01:31 pm: Edit

I know that smell very well....whenever the wind blows east. I'm about 6 blocks away right now, and only on the other side of the east river when I get home.
It's very sad to say that I've grown accustom to the smell it has been with me every day since the 11th.
Dean, I truly hope you find your friend.

Carl

By SOLO on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 01:55 pm: Edit

check out www.tch.org/~russ/wtc

got the link above from a friend of mine. Very disturbing and not for weak hearted.

By SOLO on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 02:06 pm: Edit

sorry should be www.tch.org/~russb/wtc/

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 03:19 pm: Edit

Larry

Those are mind-blowing pictures. Man, still they shock me.
I have stopped referring to the 'people' that did this, or words such as 'who' did this. That implies a group of human beings. The shitters that did this really deserve a new species name - a new class of creature altogether. Even 'animal' is too good. God damn fuckers.

Dean

By SOLO on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Dean,

Those pictures are harsh, I have others that are worse (extremly graphic splatter effects)but out of respect for the victims and their families I feel it's not appropriate to post them in a public domain such as this. (I can't figuar out how to post them anyway). In the 14 years i've been a volunteer firefighter I have never seen such a horriable mess. Around the firehouse that I belong to we refere to low life scum as shitums but even that is to kind for the bastards that commited this crime.

May they be roasted on Ho's grill!!!

By Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 04:37 pm: Edit

Ho's grill is far to good for them!

By Glenn Guinto (Glenn) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 04:54 pm: Edit

Feed them to the Pigs! These fucking bastards are not humans! They're all lower than scums! Even death is to light of a punishment to them. I say we torture them and just when they're about to die, save them and nurse them back to a certain degree of health. Then repeat. And when they're starting to get numb, give them a sex change (to a woman) and a boob job and send them back to Afghanistan.

I just needed to get that off of my chest after seeing those pics that Dean and Solo posted. Now that I did, anyone up for a trail ride? - in the barrens maybe?

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 04:57 pm: Edit

Don't forget to force feed them a healthy dosage of PORK....

By Steven Henry on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 06:33 pm: Edit

Since people are posting pictures, I have decided to put pictures up. The first batch were when I was driving in to work the morning of 11 September 2001. The second batch are of ground zero a week after the attack.

The pictures can be found at my site:

http://www.norcix.com/features/world.trade/


Steven

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 07:44 pm: Edit

I'm with you there Glenn. Just give those bastards to me in a sound-proof room, with a pair of pliers, a blow-torch, and a pint of pigs blood. Now - lets dance, fuckers!

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 07:51 pm: Edit

Larry,

I don't know man, I actually feel in some ways better when I see these photos. For some probably fucked up reason I like to feel sad and remember those poor bastards there - lest I forget what happened.

Dean

Ps Glenn - yeah me too, lets go. Post a request in the trails section.

By SOLO on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 01:41 pm: Edit

Some more pictures, these are of the World Financial Center where my company had it's head quarters.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 02:41 pm: Edit

Holy Fuck

By SOLO on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 03:43 pm: Edit

My feelings exactly, I visited that office just last year on Oct 13th. the day AFTER the Uss Cole was bombed. I was in that very Atrium and crossed the bridge several times that day. It seems like once a year these bastards do something. I think we should take some of the steel from the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and turn it into bomb casings and drop it on them.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 04:21 pm: Edit

Larry,

Still hard to believe, isn't it. The twin towers were absolutely amazing inside. I don't know if you ever went in there, but Debs worked there for 4 years (1WTC, floors 46 and 35), and in fact I spent several months there writing up a thesis. The place was so cool - even at floor 46 you would still look out over just about every other building!

On a windy day you could feel the building shake - so much sometimes that it could move your wheely-chair - and that's no BS either. I can't imagine how it must have been up top! But that's no problem - I always felt so safe up there - it was like fucking impossible to fall down right?

Man, such an unbelievable waste of everything good. Just let me have those fuckers.

By Kyle on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 05:44 pm: Edit

I am all for recycling that steel into bomb casings. Hmmm , fuck it , maybe just fill the cargo bays of a some C-130s with the scrap and kick it out the back door from altitude. Let those buildings kill some of theirs as well...Damn , thats a hell of an idea....


Kyle

By KJ on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 11:36 pm: Edit

Wow, this isn't even recognisable. Are those palm trees concrete? This must be what nuclear winter would look like...

Karen