By Mike D1 on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 08:58 pm: Edit

I just got my $afari gard spare tire jack holder. I was told this can lock. How? From what I can see there are three ways to steal my jack. Take off the wing nuts, pull the pin, or take the three lug nuts off. How do you lock the jack on? Buy a chain? Also, what keeps the wing nuts from working loose and falling off? This is my first purchase with them and I'm not impressed.

Thanks

By Mike D1 on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 10:19 pm: Edit

Anyone own one of these?

By Kyle on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 10:27 pm: Edit

Step one: Pick up said part.

Step two: Walk to the nearest window

Step three: Open said window

Step four: Throw that rattling bastard out of it as hard as you can.

All the ones I have seen have issues with rotation and rattling. Most are accompanied my about 50 bungee cords..


Kyle

By Phil on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 10:28 pm: Edit

another quality $afari gard product.......try some lock tight on the lose nuts.....as far as locking it I do not know I have seen people with some kinda home made shit wehere they just took big bolts and bolted thier high lift to thier bumper and drillied a hole in one of the bolts and put a small lock in it....I am not sure how $G works.......but the lock tight will help with your bolt it not expensive you can get it at any auto parts hardware or Wal-mart....good luck

Phillip

By Phil on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 10:30 pm: Edit

safari gard just gets lower and lower on my product list the more and more I read post on D WEB how could they stay in buissiness or how ever you spell it

By Mike D1 on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 10:45 pm: Edit

Well, I was hoping for better news than this. Anyone like it??

By phil r0ver4x4 on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 10:48 pm: Edit

sorry charlie

By Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 08:23 am: Edit

Sounds like you had a better experience than I did. When I got the Hi-lift mount, the spacing on the bolts was off. It didn't fit onto the high-lift. I had to file down the threads on the inner portion of the bolts to make it fit. When I called them, they said that I must have a new high-lift that has different spacing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that High-lift hasn't changed their jacks at all for years.

I had a smiliar situation when I bought their front bumper. When I bought it, they said that they would be able to make it to fit the Milemarker winch. However, when I mounted the winch, there wasn't enough clearance on the side to operate the lower lever. Again, I had to file down the lever to make the problem go away.

I hate to bad mouth someone, but I haven't had good luck with $G. I'm batting 0 for 2, I don't think that I'll try a third.

By Bill Bettridge (Billb) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 09:13 am: Edit

When I got my Hi-lift mount (since thrown out Kyles window ) it had the mounting holes drilled offset so that the jack would sit at about 20 degrees off vertical - more great $G quality....

By Brian on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 11:50 am: Edit

Why do you need to lock your jack? Do you not trust the people you wheel with? When not in use pull the pin and lay it in the rear passenger foot well or in the garage.

I have not experienced the wingnuts working themselves loose but I usually tap one side with the handle of a screw driver or similar to tighten it down. I am sure it rattles and shit but I don't notice it.

Just make sure you have that handle secure in the upright position. Can you imagine your handle sticking out 90 deg. off the right side on a narrow trail?


Brian

By Jeffrey Sipress (Jghere) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 12:07 pm: Edit

I've bought three SG products, and there were problems with all of them. The center to center spacing of the threaded studs on the jack mount were off by half the diameter of the bolt!! I had to remove one and weld it back on in the right spot. The rear diff guard protruded too far rear from the diff and hit the gas tank plate. Again had to cut it up and re-weld. The rock sliders were an absolute nightmare to mount. Holes didn't line up and measurements were wrong. I called them offering to send them my dial calipers so they could measure their shit properly, and they turned down my offer!! I'm done with them.

By Mike D1 on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 12:25 pm: Edit

Yeah Brian,

I need to lock it because I like to wheel with ex-cons and guys on parole. They are the only guys that will go tuff places. I also use wheel locks and I lock my truck when I get out to take a leak on the side of the trail. But on the upside these guys will go anywhere, body damage no problem! They just steal new parts. The discounts I get on Land Rover parts from these guys is amazing! One guy is so tuff he likes to steal parts from moving cars. The only drawback with hanging with this crowd is that they all drive Jeeps.

On a serious note, I just want the jack holder to do what I was told it will do. I was told it is lockable.

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 12:33 pm: Edit

one of the bolts that go with the wingnut.. shoudl ahve a hole drilled, and you can put a padlock there.
i think thats' what they meant by lockable.

By John Cinquegrana (John_C) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 12:39 pm: Edit

Obviously Brian never went to Roverfest!

By Brian on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 12:48 pm: Edit

Humm, I don't recall any mention about it being lockable. The website doesn't either. If the sorry folks at SG told you that you should call back and complain.

Brian

By jay caragay (Jcaragay) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 12:59 pm: Edit

I hate to say it, but John C is right. You should have been at RoverFest. Turns out that even amongst fellow Land Rover Aficionados, there are theives amongst us.

That's why I wonder how many of you leave your shovels, jacks and stuff mounted on your vehicles without worry!

By Brian on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 12:59 pm: Edit

Yeah I haven't been John. But I have been to MTB races and it's the same deal. People walk off with bikes and all sorts of shit. It's really sad.

Brian

By phil on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 01:15 pm: Edit

bastards....cut thier hands off

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 03:46 pm: Edit

The infamous $G jack holder can be made rattle free if you mount the jack properly. Set the jack in there so the bottom part pushes soldily against the tire sidewall. That will apply enough outward pressure to keep it from rattling.

You need to do this anyway or you'll have it mounted so low it'll hit the ground coming off ledges. Believe me, that's not good

Besides, being standard $G hardware, it will soon rust so solid that it won't be able to move enough to rattle.

As far as locking goes....you'll have to use some creativity. The pin part is easy enough to figure out - locking the jack to the adaptor should simply be a hole in the adaptor and a long hasp lock through the jack bar. I never lock mine...

By Roverine on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 04:28 pm: Edit

Okay,

Besides all of the above, I read that it's not a good idea to mount it on spare tire rack anyway (??) - something about bad for the door hinge? Very possible I am confused - I am most of the time lately, anyway. The pro's of mounting it to spare tire rack seem to me that it would "just be easier" (this is "Kimspeak" - I cannot articulate things mechanically, my apologies).

Kim

By p m on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 04:43 pm: Edit

Kim,

throw it on the floor behind the front seats.
If you're really into having things tied down, tie it down to the seat rails.
If you aren't, remember that gasoline leaking from the jeep's tailgate
the jerry can was flying around together with 200lb of random junk in the back of that jeep. I think Nick even has a spare intake manifold there.

peter

By Kyle on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 04:45 pm: Edit

. "I think Nick even has a spare intake manifold there. "


And rightfully so driving a jeep...


Kyle

By Bill Bettridge (Billb) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 04:50 pm: Edit

Intake huh - damn, thats what I call really spare parts!

By Ron on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 04:54 pm: Edit

Even I don't carry a spare intake manifold (I have two of course but carry them, no)

Ron

By mike w on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 04:58 pm: Edit

lol....geez guys, give em a break. mike i have one (it was free) and i like it it installed ez and and i have not had a problem with it. altho i refuse to use anything else they make i do like the jack carrier.....

By p m on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 05:07 pm: Edit

that's an 80-lb cast iron AMC 401 manifold, folks.

peter

By Kyle on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 05:12 pm: Edit

Yeah , and your point is Peter? My point is that he probably needs to carry it...

Kyle

By p m on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 05:25 pm: Edit

nah, i got no point. too much fuss on how to mount the jack, just toss it in and tie down, so it doesn't fly around.

the manifold was probably what cracked open a can with antifreeze (after the gasoline dried up).

peter

By Roverine on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 05:49 pm: Edit

Peter,

Bringing back that mental image ... I just had a good laugh out loud! ... Never forget the faces when Greg said .."wait a minute, is that GAS pouring out of the rear?" .. and then when the smell came wafting up ... Oh my!

Kim

By p m on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 05:50 pm: Edit

yeah.... and exhaust pipe was already bent up towards the rear quarter... one backfire, and we'd have more fun than we counted on!

peter

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 11:36 am: Edit

MikeD1, I've put many thousands of miles, both on and off road, with the 48" HiLift and a 32" spare on the door. So far, I have no issues with the door hinges.

However, when I'm on the road, on the standard long drive to any good wheeling spot, I occasionally jam a piece of wood between the bumper and spare to take the weight off the door.

I've got my spare on a alloy wheel, which weighs a bit less then the OEM LR steel wheel, but I don't think that makes much diff...

keith
discosaurus

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:09 pm: Edit

that is key there... spare tire big enouhg to be sitting on the bumper without putting load on the hinges.

good idea keith.

By Mike D1 on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:11 pm: Edit

Thanks all,

I am going to give it a try. I think I will go with the Jack-All too. It sounds a bit better. As far as the door hinges, I think that is a myth that got started here on D Web. If you think about it, the ladder hangs on the door and a 200+ pound man can go up and down it all day long with no problem. Also when the door is shut it is supported on both sides. I think a hinge problem is possible, but might be unrelated to the jack on the door.

By p m on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:17 pm: Edit

Mike,

the hinges hold up well as long as the door is fully closed. It ain't difficult to bend the hinges, and then you're in for some work.
I think even having the door half-latch and climb up that ladder (or spare tire, as i do), is enough to get them crooked.

peter

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:49 pm: Edit

dweb is now a propaganda machine

LOL

cool...

rd

By p m on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 04:27 pm: Edit

shut up

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 06:05 pm: Edit

no... it's "shuddup"

;)

rd

By p m on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 06:52 pm: Edit

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 07:35 pm: Edit

When I'm camping and have the door open for a long time (I frequently pass out and leave it open all night), I jam my shovel or a stick under the open door to relieve the hinges. I'd never climb the door unless it's securely latched. The damn thing rattles enough as it is.

P.S. Shuddup.

By p m on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 07:43 pm: Edit

how many times did you have to pull that chain out in TH? (very nice of you, that is)

peter

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 07:59 pm: Edit

Twice for Nikoli the Mad Russian and once for Badams when he sunk in the sand.

sorry, Brian, but you got the spotlight...don't feel too bad - stuck guy usually has to buy the beer:

By Roverine on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:46 pm: Edit

They all had waaaaay too much fun, that evening! (I am sure they surpassed the fun limitation ordinance for TH) One heck of a night ride saga - they were like kid's in the candy store! Does one's heart good ... awwwwwhh

Kim
(wait, I'll do it for you,->) Shuddup!

By Mike B. on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 11:06 pm: Edit

My friend Rico mounted a home made jack mount on his rear tire carrier. It is similar in design and weight to the SafariGard one. In less than two months the rear door has become mis-aligned. It's a 97 and he had absolutely no problems before mounting the jack to the spare tire carrier. We have not had time to see exactly what is wrong. We don't know if the hinges bent or they just moved slightly. (Rico will probably be able to add more insight to this issue when he gets off work in two days.)

Thanks,
Mike B.

By Mike D1 on Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:33 am: Edit

Ho emailed me and said the 235-85 spare sits on the bumper and keeps the door from sagging. I am about to go to this size which should solve any hinge issues.

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Friday, October 26, 2001 - 09:00 am: Edit

...wellllllll, it doesn't QUITE sit on the bumper - about a 0.5" gap there....unless Ho's hinges are ALREADY sagging

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Friday, October 26, 2001 - 10:19 am: Edit

hehe,

some manufactureres make the tires a bit taller. some don't.

i've had the BFG MTs 235/85-16 sitting on the SG rear bumper. i've seen some that weren't so lucky.

you could always pump up the spare.

By gp (Garrett) on Friday, October 26, 2001 - 03:12 pm: Edit

forgot about this picture. but this is also a useful bumper mounted item:

By WattaLoad on Friday, October 26, 2001 - 08:59 pm: Edit

NOW THAT could really mess up your "bumper".

By Richard Dekkard on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 12:51 am: Edit

I saw a locking thingamdoogit for the SG mount on some website, but it wasnt made by SG and wasnt on their website.. I havent the faintest idea where. I have one mounted, and it dont clank or rattle as I taped foam around the top of the jack handle itself. as for the mount, it isnt anything special.. my holes lined up ok, I guess I was lucky? My GY MTR's poke out enough to keep my cb antennae pushed slightly to the front and the jack snug on the back. The tire weighs maybe 3 times as much as the jack so if anything is going to do my hinges in Im sure its that.

On another sad note.. John Cranfield from up in Nova Scotia was wheeling at Halloween Extreme with us, and for some unknown reason the hi-lift he was working had the handle smack up on him and the tip of the handle caught him straight in the eye. He is hurt pretty bad. We got him down the mountain to a waiting ambulance to take him to the hospital. He is apparently going to have surgery tonight. He may lose the eye.. Keep him in your thoughts and wish him well.

By Mike D1 on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 11:17 pm: Edit

That is a very sad story, my thoughts are with this man I don't know. Hope he is well.

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Monday, October 29, 2001 - 01:36 pm: Edit

That's why a HiLift is not for rookies (no, I'm NOT saying HE was...).

The damn things are dangerous and need to be used with care. That handle is nasty.

By Ron on Monday, October 29, 2001 - 01:45 pm: Edit

Definately thinking twice about how I use my hilift after seeing John get hurt.

Under no circumstances will I get anywhere near one without the handle in the upright position. Man that jackall handle just clocked him with so much force. Not a good thing to see, still can't shake the image. Also it was very good that we were with a doctor as I am not sure if anyone else really knew what to do. Just reminded me how dangerous it can be and what can happen.

My thoughts are with you John. Hope you are ok.

Best Regards,

Ron

By Roverine on Monday, October 29, 2001 - 04:41 pm: Edit

Just read this - It is a sobering story, and a little reminder to all of us that things like this can and do happen (often when "you least expect it"). I'm glad you had a doc with you, and my best wishes go out to your friend John.

Take care,
Kim