By charlie on Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 07:00 pm: Edit

Last weekend my D2 (totally stock, no CDL, no low range only) was stucked in somewhat dry, loose soil on a not too steep uphill. My friend behind me told me that all 4 wheels are spinning but no forward movement and the wheels are digging into the soil.

I was told a CDL could help. I am wondering if it will also help I change my tyres? Any suggestion? I think the size is 255 65 16 and I do want to keep the look of the D2, (ie, no monster truck type of tyres)

Anything easy/cheap/fast (besides CDL) that will also help in this situ? I really want to try that place again.... damn slope...

Suggestion? Thanks in advance.

By cartner on Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 08:36 pm: Edit

Less throttle...low range, slow going until you really start sliding...

By Drew on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 12:10 am: Edit

Try to reduce tire pressure

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 08:39 am: Edit

Shovel?

By John on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 10:04 am: Edit

Sounds like loose soil is the obsticle. In that case, let momentium be your friend. A better thread will help.ECT is an awesome tool, learn to use it first.

By charlie on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 11:10 am: Edit

John, what is ECT? is it ETC?
Do you know anything that I can read to learn it? or perhaps if you can tell me a little trick?
---Charlie

By John on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 11:23 am: Edit

Charlie, join the "disco2owners@yahoogroups.com"

A site dedicated to disco II owners with lots of archives and list info dedicated to owners learning like you. A great forum to ask/answer all issues/questions of series II owners about most any thing.Also a great way to find owners/wheelers/events maybe near you.

By charlie on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 11:28 am: Edit

John, what is ECT? is it ETC?
Do you know anything that I can read to learn it? or perhaps if you can tell me a little trick?
---Charlie

By John on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 11:44 am: Edit

Lol, ECT is really ETC, which senses and tranfers power to the proper tires/axles for traction when spinning.

By charlie on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 12:18 pm: Edit

Hmmm. cannot do any yahoo group/yahoo mail from work. Guess I will have to wait til I get home.

I think ETC tried to work in that situation because I Heard noise similar to ABS when the wheels were spinning. (However, my friend told me that all 4 wheels are digging, I am pretty sure about this too.)

I kept spinning them, on low range, low speed and made sure ETC is working (the "TC" light was on with the ABS type of noise.) Still wouldn't help and only got stuck deeper. Tried removed some soil and replaced with smaller rocks under (not directly under, stuffed around them) the tyres, no luck. Tried turning the front wheels left and right when spinning, only got myself deeper. Tried back up a little and turn side way (since it is not too steep and pretty wide open) and turn up again, didn't help. I was actually amazed on how useless I, and my stock D2 was (and my friend, who own a 4runner said he totally expected it ...)

The D2 is still fairly new with only 7K on the clock. I will try to lower the pressure on the tire next time. Any other techniques, or tips that you can share with me? I need to bring my friend up there again and show him what a stock D2 can do.

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 05:03 pm: Edit

get mudd tires...

rd

By cartner on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 05:23 pm: Edit

get a CDL manual switch as mentioned earlier...they are said to be cheap and will re-activate the cdl less D2 cdl I think.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 05:47 pm: Edit

If all 4 wheels are churning, will the CLD help? I'm not sure about that one. Go with rob get the mudders out __

By charlie on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 07:22 pm: Edit

Thanks
Can anyone suggest some good mud tyres with good highway performance? I don't want to cut or trim any body parts.

---Charlie

By F.J. (Rovercon) on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 07:23 pm: Edit

what kind of friend is that one that's insulting you and your Land Rover?

ahhh, a Toyota owner one........

By Kyle on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 08:04 pm: Edit

Keep in mind that although all four wheels are spinning , the brakes are being applied. That bleeds off power and makes it harder to climb. There are alos millisecinds in there where the brakes are actually holding the truck back.


Kyle

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 10:36 pm: Edit

I'm not sure about that Kyle. In the mud at least you can spin all 4 wheels without the ETC cutting in - its quite obvious too. You can see the 4 wheels spinning in the deepmud video, and there was no ETC there at all.

Dean

By Kyle on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 10:38 pm: Edit

Yeah , in some situations where they are spinning freely. But this guy says it was coming on. If its real slick they will all spin..


Kyle

By michel on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 10:58 pm: Edit

Go back to the spot, and keep trying different things until you make it to the top. I've wheeled with a few dII's and they can go up soft sandy steep hills better than me. Just keep trying and figure out your machine.

Michel

And of course report back to us.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 11:11 pm: Edit

Charles,

If as Kyle is saying the ETC could have been hindering you, you could pull the fuse and see if that made a difference.

By charlie on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 08:23 pm: Edit

Great!

I will go back up again this or next week, as I have lots of vacation til the end of this year due to a lazy administrative assistant.

Thanks

---Charlie

By tmsltd on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 10:59 am: Edit

I have a customer with a DII. He was pretty impressive on some polished ice/snow covered steep trails last winter. After switching to Dunlop R/T in a stock size, his current limitation became a lack of ground clearance on the bumpers, not traction! The tires are not offensively noisy, and ,depending on driving style on road, seem to wear well. Hope this helps.
Trevor

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 11:39 am: Edit

I really like my R/Ts, too... great on the road, great off road...

Yeah, you can get better in either category, but for a compromise tire, I don't think that it can be beat.

IMO....

-L

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 11:58 am: Edit

momentum, momentum, momentum
and
light on the throttle
makes a man smile in loose dirt

By Leif (Nattidisco) on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 03:02 pm: Edit

With the ETC fuse out and no CDL all power will go to the wheel with the least amount of traction because you will have 3 open diffs. This is the worst thing to do and dangerous on a steep climb.

By Barry on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 04:49 pm: Edit

Charlie,

Before jumping on the MT bus, seriously ask yourself what percentage of your driving is off-road VS on-road. Then truthfully estimate the percentage of off-roading which will involve mud.

Most DSII owners(Those not fixated on the "cool factor" of MT's) would be better served with an all-terrain tire. Compared to a MT, an AT will generally offer a better ride, lower noise, safer wet pavement handling, and a longer tread life.

The stock DSII a w/16" wheel rides on 29" tall rubber. My first tire upgrade was to the BFG AT/ko
BFG 255/70/16 which is 30"...acceleration and ride quality about smooth as stock tires. If no lift is planned, they also look well matched to the size of a DSII.

I ended up with OME 40mm lift(1.5") and BFG AT/ko 265/70/16 which are about 31 inches tall. The ride quality is more "truckish" (i.e. the wife notices) compared to the 30" tire set-up. Still, a nice compromise for on/off road...especially for long distance driving.

If you join a Rover club or really get into Rovering, #1 modification priority should be a working CDL. Get your CDL connected. CDL is VITAL for safe off-roading in a DSII.