By ryan on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 04:55 pm: Edit

Will 265/75-16 tires fit on a Disco 1 with OME HD suspension with American Racing steel wheels? I know that I would have to trim, but will I have to trim a lot? Is this tire to big for just a 2 inch lift?

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 05:13 pm: Edit

tire size is good. but the AR wheels will make you trim some more than necessary.
are those AR wheels the ones that stick out 1.5 inches?

By John on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 05:23 pm: Edit

Should be 1 1/4" offset, but you also need that much for the tires to clear the radius arms to keep the same turning radius, which says trimtrim.

By Frank on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 05:53 pm: Edit

What about on factory alloys with OME MDs? Will they fit without too much trimming?

Thanks.

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 05:58 pm: Edit

yes, much less trimming with the stock alloy wheels.

By Milan on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 06:17 pm: Edit

Can we be more specific than "less", "much less" or "trim, trim, trim"? Are we talking just the rear quarter panel, or the front fender as well and just the backs of it or around the whole fender or what?

Also how much rubbing on the control arms with 265/75's and stock rims?

Now that GY MTRs come in that size I'm again torn between 265s and 245s.

Thanks!

By ryan on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 06:40 pm: Edit

Yeah, the AR wheels have the 4.25" back-spacing. So, the tire will fit with a lot of butchering. How about 235/85 with the same set up?

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 07:33 pm: Edit

when i say "some trim" i mean the type of trim that people won't notice.

235 should be better. but still some trimming.

By Moe on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 08:12 pm: Edit

Oh so you mean "trim, trim" when you say "some trim"

By ryan on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 08:36 pm: Edit

So "some trim" would be the front spoiler and some off the rear quarter panals.

I think that I could live with that.

By Milan on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 09:48 pm: Edit

OK wiseguys, since everybody took their humor pills today I'll rephrase my question.

With 4.25" backspacing on an 7" or 8" rim and with 265/75's will I have to trim anywhere other than the rear corner and the front spoiler?

Also if I use stock rims, how much turning radius will I loose? It's not like the closed knuckle axle has a tight one to begin with.

Thanks...

By Bluegill (Bluegill) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 10:17 pm: Edit

I'd like some trim.


I've seen 245/75's on 4.25's that needed to trim the inner lip of the rear fender all the way around the wheel well. I'm not sure, but maybe he had spacers too. Also watch out for sharp lip at the upper apex of the inner rear wheel well.

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 10:24 pm: Edit

Just get the 265s with the cool rims and see what ya need...it won't even be noticeable. Just don't be in a hurry when you cut and don't use a dremel or tin snips (uhg!) use an air-cutoff tool and draw your lines first or mark them with a blade...

Brian
(I like the sound of aluminum being cut)

By Mike B. on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 10:31 pm: Edit

It's not a straight forward question as you might think. Some 265's will fit and some won't. It's going to be pretty close. Not all 265/75/R16s are the same size. Also, the tread profiles are not all the same (some have square shoulders and others are more rounded) and that will also affect things. Then you have to take into account how you have your shocks set up (stock, sexy flexy). Are you running the the stock shock mounts or something else. Then there is the bumpstop issue and whether you leave your anti-sway bar disconnected or not.

Chances are you MAY have problems getting the 265s to fit up in the rear wheelwell when fully stuffed using the AR steelies. You might just rub the top lip of the rear fenderwell when fully stuffed. Again, it depends on which tires you are looking at. For example, I am pretty certain the Goodyear MTRs 265/75/R16s on the AR 16" steelies will rub. The top outside edge of the rear fenderwell is very stiff and sharp, so you will chew up the tires pretty good.

You might be able to trim the top of the inner fender liner enough to get it to fit, you might be lucky enough for it to fit with no trimming, or maybe you might have to do some major hacking. Taller bumpstops may work, but you are probably looking at a 4.5" tall (or taller) bumpstop. Of course, taller bumpstops will severely limit your uptravel, so there is another tradeoff.

Your better bet is to stay with the stock rims or something else with the same backspacing. They are set 1" deeper into the wheelwell, so chances are they will fit without hitting the top lip of the fenderwell. Of course, you will have to trim the rear of the rear fenderwells no matter which rim you use. You will have to trim less with the stock wheels than with the steelies. Head to www.discocrazy.org and look under the vehicle mods section for more information on trimming. I think there is some other examples of fender trimming on the DiscoWeb as well.

Your front tires on the AR steelies might also rub if you fully compress a wheel and then turn hard to the right or the left. You might have to trim just a bit of the rear of the front fenderwells. If you have the RTE sliders, then you might have to knock about 1/2" off of them too (I'm guessing on the amount) or swap them for a set designed for a Disco II.

I have the 245/75/R16s on the AR steelies and I have less than 1/2" of clearance at the rear of the front fenderwell when compressing and turning (there is a picture of this on the www.discocrazy.org website). You should not have the same problem if you use the 265/75/R16s on the stock rims.

I hope that I've help answer your questions to your satisfaction, if not, please me off-board.

Thanks,
Mike B.

By Mike B. on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 10:32 pm: Edit

Oops, that should be:

Please email me off-board.

Thanks,
Mike B.

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 10:38 pm: Edit

Woah Man!! No soliciting here!

"Please me off" LOL

J/K man,

Brian

By Mike B. on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 10:45 pm: Edit

LOL...

I don't think that even spell check would have saved me on this one! Oh well, S**t happens!

LOL,
Mike B.

By Milan on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 12:38 am: Edit

Thanks guys, that's what I was looking for, albeit not what I wanted to hear. Hearing that some tires do get close to the upper fender lip means possible cutting of the whole fender especially with less than 4.25" backspacing. I know it depends on the tire design as well but if some tires need it, that means I'll be cutting it close (no pun intended) with 265's.

Thanks for all the replies and MB's off-line offer (I think).

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 12:40 am: Edit

Hey Mike,

It happens...at least it wasn't in a crowded bar in P-Town!

hehe,
Brian

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 10:27 am: Edit

milan,
wait till you have to cut into your rear doors.

By Milan on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 05:48 pm: Edit

I'm no stranger to cutting. Did it on both the Bronco and the Jeep to fit larger tires. I feel it's better than body lifts and looks better. Hehehe.

Actually what I'd like to do is cut all around the front and rear fender (you know that 1.5" section that kind of stands out). This means cutting the doors as well. However, cutting the doors is what's stopping me for now - being double wall and everything. Since there are 2 rubber weather strips I don't really see it as a problem. It's not like my disco is water tight. I'm still drying some water from the summer. My disco dives faster than a U-boat.

Anyway, it's all about corrosion. If I lived in the desert, I'd hack away. Here any exposed metal, however small, rusts. I hate that! Maybe I'll do it next spring to make it survive one more winter.

By p m on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 08:50 pm: Edit

Milan,

really, check the top of the fenderwell. This one is more of a bitch than the rear. BTW, hacksaw is okay for the rear corners.

peter

By Mike B. on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 08:52 pm: Edit

You can save your rear doors by moving your rear axle 1" to the rear. You'll hack more rear fender, but you'll save your rear doors. Just a thought.

Thanks,
Mike B.

P.S. - Please don't email me off-line! Hehehe.

By Milan on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 11:37 am: Edit

I looked at the fender weel and thought it was gonna be fine. I'll check it again. I'm not doing this for few months yet, so no rush. I just want to have a plan together before I do it.

How do you move the axle back 1". Longer trailing arms (RT ?) but what do you do about the A-arm? I thought I saw a spacer somewhere but was not sure how strong that would be. Anybody using this? Any issues with clearances anywhere?

Mike, don't worry. I don't want to be near you. Hehehehehe. LOL.

By Ron on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 12:25 pm: Edit

Longer rear links.

A frame spacer optional.

Depending on how big you want to go maybe rear driveshaft or spacer there too.

1/2 gets you up a tire size

The issue is what is you desired pinion angle v how much you want to move the axle back.

So if you want to stick with a stock style rear drive shaft you can make the link 1/2 longer no problem, if you go to a cv style rear driveshaft you have to spacer the A frame to get the pinion angle back pointed up.

Follow? JOhn @ RTE will be able to tell you limit s etc.

Ron

By Milan on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 02:46 pm: Edit

OK. Thanks Ron. Thank you all, actually.