By Ron on Friday, April 06, 2001 - 11:26 am: Edit

Just wanted to let everyone know that the disco is a flaming POS and I will be metaphorically trying to put the fire out this weekend by replacing the O2 sensor the apparently has been caved in by a rock. (don't ask, I have no idea how it happened)

PS anyone know how to eliminate the O2 sensors and cats safely from a GEMS 1996 disco? I couldn't care less if it is legal (no inspections) I just don't want it to explode or carbon foul itself to death (again).

Ron

I hate electronics and emmissions crap, why can't they sell diesels here.

By donkeydon on Friday, April 06, 2001 - 11:39 am: Edit

dont let the disco hear you talk like that. They know when you are mad at them at that is why they break. If you truly love your Disco, it knows that and it will not do anything to harm you. The instant you are mean to her she WILL turn on you. They have very sensitive feelings, try to be more considerate.

By Bill B on Friday, April 06, 2001 - 04:02 pm: Edit

Damn Ron, I think that's the first time I've heard you truly bent! Seriously though, good luck - Dream 300TDi

By Milan on Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 05:23 am: Edit

Well Ron, you could take the O2 sensors out and replace them with a short wire and a resistor of the proper resistance. The O2 sensors typically send signals in the 0 to 1V range, so you'd have to figure out exactly how much the total resistance is with the length of wire and then duplicate it with a shorter circuit and a resistor. The only thing I have not figured out is if the sensors need to send different value every time or if the value just has to be in a certain range. The reason for this being important is that if the sensor sends constant value all the time, it may be deemed defective by the computer. Also, the EFI most likely runs in at least couple of modes (open loop and closed loop) in different conditions (like cold startup, etc.) and I don't know if the sensor voltage is used in all the modes and what values are expected. This is where a good manual would be handy and the LR manual sucks in this respect. I think it's overpriced POS useless manual, but is better than nothing and so I have one and will buy the electrical as well.

While I think it can be figured out, if it's simplicity you want, I'd just as soon swap in a manifold for a carb and a good carb with some simple ignition.

By Ron on Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - 07:52 am: Edit

Update:

The new O2 sensor is in. Other than me loosening it, Alyssa installed it. Seems to be ok, old one had multiple dents was covered in soot and had the jacket melted though by heat from the exhaust and was covered in oil from the T-box, I am trying to fix it now hehehehe.

Ron

PS Nathan came through with a new genuine one for 1/3 of dealer price, arrived in 2 days.

PPS now it is just a POS not a flaming POS.

By Jon on Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - 09:47 am: Edit

HarLand Rover, www.badrover.com, can refit your truck with a genuine Td5 engine (and related equipment) that bolts to your existing transmission. They do a lot of conversions and remanufacturing, so you could inquire to them regarding your diesel aspirations :-) But really, your truck has senses like a dog; it knows when you're angry with it. However, beyond that, it takes on its own actions and you will experience electrical problems like you wouldn't belive. So stay happy with it, whether it's flaming or smoking. I'd rather it flame or smoke instead of spark!

By Ron on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 03:51 am: Edit

POS dropped two clyinders on the way to NC. Updates to follow. I am thinking Chevy 6.5 n/a mechanical diesel. Anyone have a set of OME XXHD front springs? hehehehe

Ron

POed but happy to have made it back

By Bill B on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 04:27 am: Edit

Know how you feel - fried my trans in GWNF yesterday - this is gonna hurt!

By Milan on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 06:03 am: Edit

Ron,
How'bout a 3.9L Cummins? Hehehehe. You'd still need those XXHDs. You don't think it's worth rebuilding? Sorry about your troubles. At least you have a good reason to up-grade.

Bill,
What is GWNF?

By Eric N on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 07:09 am: Edit

GWNF = George Washington National Forest.

Bill where you on Taskers Gap or Rocky Run when you did that? I was told that Peters Mill is closed for repairs until 6/11? What year is your Disco?

By Bill B on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 07:27 am: Edit

You're correct - Peters Mill in Edinburgh is closed temporarily. We were in Harrisonburg - second mountain and Dictum Ridge trails, etc. Trans had been slipping a bit, but really said "no more" on second mountain.

Had quite a long talk with a ranger there - nice guy, but they're watching all Land Rovers. They will stop you if you're in a Rover to talk. Rangers will be carrying printouts of internet photos looking for specific trucks - so please follow all rules, don't cross any berms or get into any water/mud holes if you go. (not that you would - just wanted to let everyone know) After all that being said - according to the ranger they want to keep all areas open for public use.

Oh yeah - I have a '97

By Just a Thought on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 07:37 am: Edit

An Automatic Fail? On a Mildly Modified Discovery? Not Possible, right RON?!? They are, after all, so much stronger than the manuals...

Careful how hard you force your Opinions, they might come back to bite you in the butt... That was you, wasn't Ron? Bashing Manuals Hard on the Disco List...

By Ron on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 07:53 am: Edit

Yes it was me bashing them. Anything is possible and autos can fail. We shall see what is with Bill's slush box, overall still way better than the pos 5 speed. First I have heard bite the big one that low of miles that was properly maintained. Given my weekend right now I am bashing anything rover made after 1960, but then probably the series truck will fall apart.

Ron

1990 Honda Accord "thank god for a reliable car"

By Eric N on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 08:03 am: Edit

Are the Rangers just looking for Land Rovers or are they looking for jeeps and such as well? Also, water/mud holes off the trail or are they counting the ones on the trail? I have been on Peters Mill a couple of times and if it rains a day or two before then a third of the trail was mud and water holes. Haven't been on any of the Harrisonburg trails though I would like to.

By Alyssa on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 09:54 am: Edit

Ron, that is sooo uncool. Don't bash my truck! Lucas got us back to Philly even with only 6 cyl's, and we were towing YOUR P.O.S. Rover engines don't die, they just get slower and slower. Any decision about replacing the 4.0 is mine to make!

By Ron on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 10:19 am: Edit

You even called it a POS this weekend. And you are a die hard more than me. I have admit that any truck that can be 4000lbs overweight and live through the throttle wide open for 12 hours can't be all bad. I am sure Lucas will punish me for my lack of faith.

Ron

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 11:00 am: Edit

damn, ron

seems like you ought to sell a few rovers and see if you can get a reliable one together..

or do you like having one of your vehicles breakdown on you every week?

rd

By Ron on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 11:18 am: Edit

Actually,
The series is 100% dead reliable (of course now that I say that it is going to break). I do not like fixing them actually. Building them I like and fixing them is a nusiance. Disco is not mine (it is alyssa's) so no control there. I can't see why it keeps giving us problems, should have got an earlier one or something atleast then I would have 1/2 chance at understanding the iginition system. Two valve jobs in 5k with only 70k total, something else has got to be wrong. I thought about giving them all up but ALyssa's disco and getting a 97 RR Vitesse in AA yellow but it did not happen. Probably would have been a POS too and an expensive POS at that.

Ron