By hartigan on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 07:08 am: Edit

I just received a letter from LR of America, indicating that my emissions indicator might not work properly. It's supposedly a free fix with the recall; but, I don't feel like going in so they can tweak everything else and bill me for that too. Anyone else w/ 97 Disco's get these recall letters? Any other years?

By Bill B on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 10:02 am: Edit

Yeah - I got one also - dealer told me about an hour to do it. Dropped it off today after making an appt. on Monday and now they tell me they don't have the F*ing part and won't have for a week. I love dealers (put 'em all to the sword).

By Jerry Crawford, 98 D-I on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 10:34 am: Edit

Your dealer ought to have a "loaner" program like mine and it wouldn't make any difference - you'd still have a LR to drive :-)

By Bill B on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 11:22 am: Edit

Unfortunately, my so-called dealer had their distributorship revoked, and now only do service (which to be fair, had always been pretty good in the past). My other local LR dealership has not bothered to call back since Monday!

By roverDLR on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 11:33 am: Edit

Please people, we all know the issues that these vehicles have. Try looking at the situation from the dealers perspective, countless people not realizing what they are getting into when purchasing a Rover and then bringing it back with every drop of oil on the garage floor. If they dont leak then they arent breathing, and they must breathe or they die. where do you think the dealers make all of there profit from sales or service? You guessed it service, and not because they rip you off, but because there is so much of it. So if you have to wait a couple days for a ridiculous prom chip that only effects the emmision equipment then SO WHAT?! its not like you cant drive your Rover for gods sake, its not like your life is in jeopardy, get over it, there are more important things in life.

By MA on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 11:33 am: Edit

It's a fact, LR service sucks. I have a 94 Disco and I took it for basic service(this was my first time servicing the car at this dealer). Here is what they f***ed up.1) they didn't change the oil.2) They replaced my K&N airfilter after i told them not to. and finally the worst 3) the jack that they put it up on bent the front axle and i had to get it replaced! yep...it's a fact, they suck.

By roverDLR on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 11:40 am: Edit

MA, the fact is YOUR dealer SUCKS! Any idiot that throws out a K&N doesnt deserve to work for Pep Boys, nevermind Land Rover. Yes, they sound like bumbling fools, and yes, they should be responsible for the axle. But, NO, not all dealers are blazing morons as many of you think. Unfortuantely you and many others are now tainted by some of the extra crappy work that some dealers do. Were you to come to my dealer, you would have a much different experience. Its not like you have warranty on a 94 (maybe you do), so why not take it to an independent and then you can bitch about how much they suck.

By mikey on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 11:43 am: Edit

All I can say is that the people at land rover Fort Worth and in Frisco are like family. They are the one who always take me wheeling and show me thing to do and what not to do, and how to fix little stuff my self.
The rest of the LRD have now idea but I am sure that there not all bad!

Mikey

PS LRFW said come by when convenient and it the recall should not take longer the 30 min's

By roverDLR on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 11:56 am: Edit

At our dealer, for the recall, you bring the car in, you sit and watch off road videos for 30 minutes and then you leave. done. nuff said

By nadim on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 12:09 pm: Edit

roverDLR!

You seem to know your stuff...so hats off to you, especially that offroad video thing!...

My Disco is in Lebanon, the dealer there DOES suck, and I have stopped taking it to them for some time now. At one point, they replaced my 100amp alternator with a non-genuine used 65amp one, and forgot some tools under the hood that almost broke my fan blades. I took it in for a wheel bearing!

I have been servicing it myself. I have done every single thing imaginative, except changing the crankshaft(gimme a few more KMs...)!

I do have to admit that it is a tough job servicing one Disco, with one problem, I do not wnt to imagine servicing a dozen with so many problems!

By mrbieler on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 12:28 pm: Edit

Does anyone know the VIN#'s effected? Evidently, not all 1997's are effected.

Jeff

By Jarrod on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 12:40 pm: Edit

Can someone post what the qualifiying vehicles are (year, VIN, whatever). I havne't heard anything about it yet.

By Bill B on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 04:30 am: Edit

To: Roverdlr - I was joking a bit about the "sword" comment, but it IS a major PIA when I make an appt on Monday for Thursday and am not given the courtesy of a phone call during the interim to say that they do not have the prom chip and then when the truck is dropped off, I have to wait three hours more for them to call me to tell me that small, but critical fact and that means another trip 45 minute to the dealer. I don't like people wasting my time - so please don't tell me SO WHAT to that - courtesy should be a part of service at any dealership for any vehicle! And FYI - the other local LR dealer still has not even given me a return phone call in 5 days after 3 attempts on my part.

By roverDLR on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 06:11 am: Edit

Bill, i cant and I wont make excuses for other dealers. They are defintely in the wrong for not calling you to tell you they dont have the part. You are correct, its called common courtesy. I dont know where you live but it sounds like your local dealers are not that good. I agree with alot of you that some dealers can do a lot better. Most dealers can do alot better. Unfortuantely, its the people that buys these trucks because they say LAND ROVER on the hood that cause alot of problems for enthusiasts like ourselves. Until you are on the inside of a Rover Service Dept, you can not comprehend the B.S. that we have to put up with. These are not Toyotas, nor are they Hondas. They need to be maintained like they were children. I think that is partly the reason why we love our rigs so much. There are alot people that figured because they were spending $37,000 for a Disco it will be every bit as reliable as a $20,000 Civic. We know thats not the case. Its these people that clog service depts with oil drips and other minor nuanssences that we all deal with. Granted, there is not a Toyota or Honda ever made that keep up with my disco in the dirt. Alas, the majority of Rovers i sell never see a trail at all. Its kind of sad actaully. People buy the best 4x4 in the world and bring it to the dealer every other week because there is a tiny oil spot on the driveway. Im not defending all dealers, I see the CSI reports and I know that alot of them are pretty rough, but we arent all bad. Thats the point Im trying to make. Thanks for listening.

By chainsaw4130 on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 08:19 am: Edit

roverDLR,
The point you are trying to make is foolish. Why would someone spend $37,000 for something that is "designed" to leak. I agree that some people buy them for "status", but that does not mean they should have all these problems. Land Rover is currently letting buy a new Disco drive for 1,500 miles and if are not satisfied return it for a full refund. I think the public is starting to realize that Land Rovers have build quality problems. Land Rover sales are down across the board. Yes, the Disco is a great vehicle, but the customer is not causing the problem Land Rover is.

By seadisco on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 08:27 am: Edit

roverdlr

i'm so impressed with your pots tha ti do wish to take my disco to your dealer...

would you mind sharing where you at?

i'm sure we would be a good support!

thanks


Seadisco.

By roverDLR on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 09:47 am: Edit

To address "chainsaw", Rovers are not "designed" to leak, they just do. My point is before plunking down $37,000 do some research and undersatnd what is you are buying. It is an incredibly cabable, purpose-built vehicle that the rest of the world uses to get to remote areas of landscape. It was NOT "designed" to take 2 mile jaunts to the soccer game or grocery store. Understandably, one would figure if a vehicle can traverse the arid landscapes of Africa or the overly damp sections of rainforest then indeed it should have no problem getting to the local market. In most cases it does not have a problem, but they are engineered to be driven and driven hard. Thats when they work best. I am convinced that the more you abuse a Rover the better it is.
Yes, sales are down, but that is largely due to the fact that the economy has changed greatly and our product line is currently somewhat stale. The quality issues are basically non-existant compared to what they were in the mid-90's, so we are defintely making gains. (I know there are still some real dogs out there so please dont fill this post with "yea, well my 2000 disco has been to the shop 47 times in the first year and.....") I do think that Ford will have a large effect on our quality issues. The 1500 mile return thing is used to close sales, not because of quality control.
To address "seadisco", I am located in Connecticut, if you are local I would be more than happy to provide you or anybody else with service that apparently would be far better than that which you have received anywhere else. Thanks.

By Jay on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 10:10 am: Edit

I personally think that Discoverys are some of the best vehicles out there. I have a 94 that has 220 thousand miles on it and nothing mechanical has been changed except the radiator and water pump. does it leak some oil? Yes, but so what? I guess a lot of you don't remember, but not so long ago ALL vehicles dripped a bit. That really doesn't affect the operational quality of the truck, just irritating to you guys with pretty driveways. These things are tough and I agree, the more that you use it the better it is. I would rather buy a high-mileage Disco than one that has sat in the garage for years, serving only as a mall-cruiser. A lot of people are freaked out by the "Land Rover Mystique" and buy into a lot of sh**t about them, when, other than the electronics, they are extremely easy vehicles to work on. If you want a shiny oil free truck to impress your friends with, buy a Land Cruiser; if you want a great 4x4 that will take you to th eends of the earth, GET A LAND ROVER and learn to live with it's quirks. MHTCW

By mrbieler on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 10:24 am: Edit

Well RoverDlr, perhaps you need to speak with the LRNA marketing department. It may not be designed for "2 mile jaunts to the soccer game", but it's certainly where it's marketed. Oh, I'm sorry. In the commercial, they were going to the theater, not a soccer game.

While the Rover line may be capable offroaders, these sure aren't the old IIA's and III's sold to farmers. This is marketed and sold to a luxury SUV crowd. Your marketing and corporate group is aiming right at the people who buy Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac, etc. The new Freelander is aimed a lower marketing segment, but if QC is the same as on a Disco, you're in trouble. Those buyers are picking up Xterra's and a boatload of other Japanese mid-sized SUVs. They expect quality and the competition tends to deliver.

Yeah Rover is getting better, and yes the vehicle is very capable. However, we're in the year 2001 and buyers rightfully expect QUALITY to match performance, especially at a premium price. People are being asked to fork down $37k + for a vehicle with an ancient engine design and a drive train held over from a 1980's vintage Range Rover. A vehicle can perform off road and not leak oil like the Exxon Valdez, leaky sunroofs, or rust after only 3 years.

Don't get mad at buyers. When someone is chunking down $37K + for a vehicle, they tend not to abuse them as you post. The blame belongs on LR quality control and LR marketing. You're selling an image. Don't get mad at us if you can't live up to it.

All this being said, I love my Disco and I did research it before I bought it. I even like the dealership I go to for warranty work. I'm just sick of people saying, "it's supposed to leak" or "it's cute how it leaks live a colander in the rain". Bullshit. We didn't buy a vintage truck from the 50's ~ '70's. These are newly built "modern" vehicles.

By roverDLR on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 11:00 am: Edit

Mrbieler, I couldnt agree more regarding the marketing. What exactly Opera tickets and a mangy dog have to do with land rover ownership..I have NO idea. I also agree that for $37K you should be getting a quality vehicle, and quality vehicles these are. Let me ask you a question. If you were hunderds of miles from civilization, would you want a new-fangled DOHC 5 valve per cylinder motor break down on you (i know, it probably wouldnt, but if it did)or would you want a 30 year old tried and tested design that could wrench on yourself? (yes, they are easy trucks to work on) That may be a ridicoulous analogy, but still, the motor and tranny work for the vehicle. bottom line. Could they use more power? sure. Caddy comes to the table with 340 hp, lincoln with 300 and even Chevy now with their 275 horse I6. Thats why there will be a 4.6 disco and eventually we will get the 281 horse V8 from Jag (tuned for more torque) as well as the 4.4 V8 from BMW for the 03 rangie. But realize the horsepower race only exists in our country (usa). In the other 112 countries these trucks are sold 188 Hp and 250 ft-lbs are more than adequate. These are certainly not ancient vehicles and they can defintely keep up if not run circles around old SIIa's and SIII's (except thru deep water crossings) (I can only imagine the responses that comment will generate)
Yes QC needs attention and we all realize this, and it will change even more. The new marketing( trek comp) is far better than any wet dog or pregnant woman will ever be, but agreed the competition delivers the utmost in quality. As far as Freelander goes, thats sucha huge departure (IFS, V6, NO low range, unibody) that I really have mixed expectations about it. I will tell you this i had a pre-production version here on Saturday and thing went like a bat out of hell and handles very much like a car. Would I buy one? Hell no. I use my truck off-road, and yes I do abuse it. Freelander does not match my needs, but it will match the needs of alot of folks. Finnally, if your truck "leaks like colander in the rain", then you have a problem, thats not considered "normal", nor is it leaking like the Valdez. You have problems that should be addressed. Like Jay said, 220,000 miles, no issues. Does it leak, sometimes, is it a big deal, no its not. The Rover repuatation is a based on leaking oil. (and sometimes spontaeous combustion, but we wont get into that here) If a drip of oil ruins your day, then buy the Crusier. I am certainly not mad at buyers, but on a board where I will assume the majority of us are Rover enthusiasts, and we understand these vehicles, why is there so much bitching and crying. Thats what started this whole dialogue in the first place.

By mrbieler on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 11:38 am: Edit

Many may be enthusiasts, but that makes us an unusual case. A lot of folks who stumble on the board are looking for help and are owners who use the vehicle like a typical SUV (i.e. to the store, to the soccer game, some weekend trips to the Big Bear to go skiing, etc.).

Part of the reason you can pick up a low mileage used Disco for so cheap is the big dip in residual value. Our 1997 with 36k miles was only a bit more then a similar Pathfinder/4Runner. I got a much better vehicle for what I want to do. People get in over their heads and don't want to deal with the dirty hands that go with Rover ownership. But then again, is it reasonable to expect a guy buying a luxury vehicle with leather and hardwood interior to be up to his armpits in the engine bay on weekends? In the real world, that's just not the way it goes.

I just don't agree with people jumping on the board posts complaining their Disco leaks oil, has idiot lights blinking on and off, rusts, etc. These people have legitimate grips and I don't think it's right to trivialize them because they’re not "enthusiasts".

Most people who buy performance vehicles don't use them for their performance. How many Hummers actually get dirty regularly? How many Porsches get raced around at 100+mph daily? How many Rovers hit the trails or go on safari? Most don't and most never will.

As for the reliability of the Disco design, I did not say the design was a bad one. Some designs last a long time because they do work. That being said, Rover is getting a premium for a vehicle that is no longer cutting edge. As for wrenching on it, try playing with your EFI, multi-coil electronic ignition, ABS, HDC, and ACS systems in the middle of the sticks. Heck, I had the alarm system go tits up on our truck in the desert and almost had to get towed out. The alarm cut off the fuel injection. How do you fix that?

You'll also notice that most of the "enthusiasts" on the board tend to do the work themselves and don't go the dealer service route. How about next time someone comes to your service center complaining of leaks that you suggest they trade it in on a Honda?

As to the US vs the world comment, as long as these vehicle are sold in the US, you're going to have to deal with US consumers. If that's too hard to do, you need to think about a career swap. The US is a tough market to work in at times, but that's where the money is.

If all this talk were over a 90 or a 110, it wouldn't even be an issue. Unfortunatley, we're talking about the hi-end product. The owner of a Jeep Wrangler is not going to have the same expectations or performance desires as the owner of a Grand Cherokee.

By roverDLR on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 11:54 am: Edit

mrbieler, very good points and well taken. I agree the guy who likes the look of truck as well as the leather and wood probably isnt prepared to knee deep in the engine bay, nor should he.
All sport untilities have been hit by the "residual dip", not just Rovers. There were so many suvs sold inthe mid-90's that there is now a pre-owned flood of them.
I certainly am not trying to "trivialize" peoples gripes, i am quite empathetic to the "new to Rover" customer who maybe didnt expect what he received. To compare to the Porsche or Hummer brings up a very good point. Check the reliabilty of some of those vehicles, they are certainly not Hondas either.
Granted the $$ is in the USA, and i have no problem dealing with my customers, they are a great bunch (even the ones with minor oil leaks)I love this product, this business and everything that comes with it. Just for clarification, the disco is not the high-end product, the Range Rover is( but please, lets not even go there). You sound like you have a DII (HDC etc.) which in my opinion is a bit to complicated for the trails. Rover went more toward the road bias on the DII. I appreciate your comments and you are obviously an intelligent person. i think we could probably have a very solid debate over some of these issues. Have a good weekend.

By Bill Gill (Bluegill) on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 12:27 pm: Edit

(mrbieler): Heck, I had the alarm system go tits up on our truck in the desert and almost had to get towed out. The alarm cut off the fuel injection. How do you fix that?

mrbieler brings up a good point. This is one of the few things with my Disco that scares the hell out of me - these god damn electronics fucking up your day. I've had my DI alarm lock me out of my truck and turn the whole thing into a 5,000 lb immobile piece of shit (you can't even push these beasts). I've gotten the GEM/ECU/whatever bullshit-box wet at the freakin CAR WASH (after miles of heavy duty off-road pounding through the mud - rich with irony, short on mechanical foresight). I had to suffer the indignity of being towed to the dealership, where I was tied to a barrell and raped. Someone needs to author a manual entitled "How to Rid Your Disco of All the Bullshit So It Can Actually Do Its Thing". DII electronics? Even worse...

roverDLR is right - the harder you run, the better. I bought this truck with 30k miles, and the rear ARB locker and Arizona pinstripes told me that it wasn't just someone's pretty mall crawler. I'm at 67K and the "problems" are long behind me (I hope I didn't just jinx myself). Use it or lose it.

Everyone else is right, too, with the idea that you should expect quality and service for your hard earned $$$. I've come close to goin postal at the dealership...and they have the balls to try to sell me another car everytime I stop by.

Oh yeah, one more thing, if you don't want oil to drip, keep it in the can.

By chainsaw4130 on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 01:11 pm: Edit

mrbieler
I could not have made this argument any better than you already did. The commercial with the guy putting the dog in the back who is that ad for. That add certainly does not showcase the rugged attituted of the Disco. The Disco is marketed as a luxury vehicle. People who are buying a luxury vehicle expect quality, wouldn't you. I see no reason why people shouldn't complain.

By mrbieler on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 01:29 pm: Edit

I have a 1997 SD. Personally, the DII has more gadgets then I need or want, but it was designed and caters to what LR perceives the market wants.

In the big picture, I look forward to getting a 1987~1988 Range Rover for myself as the off-roader and let my wife keep the "mildly" modified D1 for the family wagon. Manual dif, distributor ignition, no gadgets. Actually, the 87~88 classic is pretty much a 1994~1995 Disco in many respects.

I took your posts complaining about owners bitching at oil leaks as a real slap in the face. It seemed elitist to me. It sounded like you were making excuses for problems people are having.

For many many people today, the venture into a SUV is their first experience in a 4x4. Most trucks are strongly marketed and designed to be car like. I guess it's the chicken and the egg thing. Is the automotive market to blame or is John Q Public to blame? Most folks are ignorant to the issues of 4wd. Too many folks hit the trails and don't even know how to change a flat. Sad but true.

Land Rover goes to great pains to explain why their 4x4 is superior (the Authoritative Guide to SUV's for example). They are, and rightfully so, willing to stack up their capabilities to the competition and to let you decide. Nowhere in their marketing, however, will it discuss the fact that this is a high maintainence vehicle with a number of systems they will have to deal with that they normally wouldn't have to. Why? Because that would scare people away.

I love Rover and "bleed green" when cut. I plan to run mine until the wheels fall off. I didn't mean to get to heated, but it's Friday and it's quiet here today. I'd much rather play in the dirt then debate.

Have a good weekend. What part of CT are you in? I lived in New Canaan from 1985~1987. This is a nice time of the year back there.

Jeff

By Orale... on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 03:04 pm: Edit

"Can't we all just get along?"

By Tony on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 11:16 pm: Edit

I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a thread as much as this one.
There's such rich irony in hearing so many gripes from the USA concerning the 'gadgets' that LR have added to Disco since the original series 1. These toys were always perceived on this side of the pond as unnecessary pandering to the American market.
That said it is only through evolution across the range and the addition of the Freelander (Europe's biggest selling 4x4) that LR has managed to keep it's head above water (with a little help from BMW/Ford).
By the way, residual values of used Land Rovers are on the up here in the UK.
Tony
Hereford, UK
1993 Discovery TDi (190,000 miles)

By hartigan on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 03:13 am: Edit

Funny how nobody can seem to remember what the thread started out with.

By Leslie on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 07:34 am: Edit

I really think the Disco 'suffers' from a split personality...

You've got on one hand, the Series/Defender side of the family, a working 'safari' tool. Then on the other, the RR, which has been competing among the oil sheiks and blue-bloods for years. Then along comes the Disco for the 90s... Costs a lot less than the RR, but carries the image. Can-do like the Defenders, but it really IS more practical for loading the family in to go get dinner one evening.

Now, we're dropping off the SUV craze, and so we see the DiscoII and Freelander becoming more street-friendly, sacrificing the all-guts-n-glory safari machines. At Uhwarrie, there were, oh, around 150 vehicles (I heard Dan say 138 ran through the RTV course, and I know of about a dozen that didn't, so that's a pretty close guess). Walking around the loop, MOST of them had body damage. Series, Defender, RR, Disco, didn't matter... dust (this year, instead of mud, except for Ryan's Rangie!) and dents everywhere, and all were happy... bent skidplates and all. (Even the RR that rolled, too). These are the people that Land Rover needs to target... the people who buy a $30,000 vehicle and add $10,000 in extras and repairs, then try to 'break' them...

I think, though, that they are.... After the opra/dog commercial wore itself thin, then Rover came out with the BETTER commercials, those that had lots of footage from the CT and Trek and GD and etc. etc... the ones in the mud w/ the splashing and the rock-n-roll blaring for the soundtrack... they KNOW who's spending the money, but they know what the people who are spending the money are dreaming about...

I'm rambling now, so I'll quit... just wanted to pitch in mi dos centavos....

-L

By Ron on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 01:37 pm: Edit

MOST of them had body damage,

True true true . . .

These are the people that Land Rover needs to
target... the people who buy a $30,000 vehicle and add $10,000 in extras and repairs, then try to 'break' them...

The only problem with this is that it represents at best about 10% of the LR market. Also the people who own the trucks like this I would guess the vast majority of them bought them used (defender people excluded).

Personally I don't try to break them, they seem to manage that on their own ;-0

Ron

By Leslie on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 02:00 pm: Edit

True, it's only about 10% of the market....

But it's the advertising to that 10% of the market that gets a lot of the other 90% to buy...

And what's ironic, it doesn't matter what the ad is, those 10% are going to be out doing it regardless of an opera image or not...

I agree, I don't try to break the Disco.. but maybe the Series! :-0 LOL! ;-)

-L

By Ron on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 02:10 pm: Edit

I see your point. Get enough real users and the possuers will think they look even better in their rovers. Bring back the Defender and I think you will see it happen. That way the soccer moms with the running boards and brush bars will want them even more when they see something cruising around with 33in mud rovers and body damage on every panel. Its weird though because in a lot of places using a LR like a rover is shunned. What "real" owners would respect possuers hate, the same disco with dents and big tires would be considered a POS among the elite when that is what they are supposed to look like.

Cheers
Ron

PS Ya you can beat a series truck and it will continue to run. One guy I talked to found a couple in the woods of West VA and pulled one out with his D90. He poured gas down the carb and it started. Somehow I don't think a new Disco II would start if left in the woods for 20 years, a 94-95 DI maybe it would.

By roverDLR on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 07:02 pm: Edit

I completely agree with everyone regarding the marketing. The Trek ads are phenominal and alot of people in the showroom refer to them as to why they are there. A few months back LRNA surveyed us as to our opinions regarding Land Rover marketing and product development. The overwhelming majority (remind you that most Centre employees are avid enthusiats) asked for an "XD" version of the "SD". They must of heard us because in Novemeber we will be getting the Disco II "Kalahari" all dressed up in "XD" gear and sporting the Trek Orange paint. Granted its a very limited edition model, but hopefully it will help point Rover in the right direction regarding its marketing efforts. I must have put in at least my $.30 worth by now, but I think this type of discussion is good for all Rover owners.

By roverDLR on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 08:41 pm: Edit

D:\ROVERS
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By Leslie on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 10:05 pm: Edit

I thought the Kalahari was going to be a "molten-orange" CT-type of Freelander for its introduction... at least that was the pic in an auto-mag I saw last week... Is LRNA going to have a Kalahari edition of all of the vehicles?

By roverDLR on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 10:06 pm: Edit

I think thats the plan, the Discovery will be the first.

By Leslie on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 08:49 am: Edit

Gotcha!


-L

By roverDLR on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 09:22 am: Edit

????? you did? im confused, was that secret information?

By Eagle on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 11:58 am: Edit

I hate to stir up the hornets nest. But did anyone read the article by 4 Wheel drive magazine last month. They did a test on the best stock 4x4. There were only 4 entries. The vehicles tested were the Jeep, TOYota, HUMMER, and Disco. The ranking from worst to best Disco, HUMMER, Jeep and in first place TOYota. PLEASE. Did anyone else burst a blood vessel over this? I wrote a letter to the editor and basically told them to put the crack pipe down and do some real testing in a real off road environment. Who were they kidding! A TOYota beating a Disco. Bring it on tuff guy.

By Leslie on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 01:25 pm: Edit

Not "Gotcha" as in "You're caught", but instead, "Gotcha" as in "Now I'm with ya"....
I had only heard of the Freelander Kalahari version, and not of the Disco version... can't say, though, that I've been looking at the new Discos coming out, mine's been keeping me ticking along....

-L

By roverDLR on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 01:43 pm: Edit

a-ha, now i get it. I apologize for the confusion Leslie. As far as the four wheeler article goes, count how many Toyota, Jeep, and GM (hummer) ads you see in the magazine. There are lot more of those than are rover ads(0). Hence, a non-biased article becomes obviously bias (to advertising $$)when you consider that the god damn Hummer was ROLLED during testing, causing major damage. But, still it finishes ahead of our "Beverly Hills Crusier", please, Im about to get very angry, so i will end this now, but yes that article was the biggest piece of BS I have EVER read!

By Grekos on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 09:28 pm: Edit

have problem with lifter sound coming from my 95 disco....Replaced lifters.pushrods..still the same
sound coming from the engine..when engine is cold no lifter sound but when it runing for 5mins lifer sound come back...help plus the fans start running after engine gets hot

By Mike on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 12:01 am: Edit

I read the 4 Wheel drive magazine every month. It is obvious to me that they are bought and paid for by their advertisers. The big auto makers give the magazines 'long term test platforms' to drive around for free for a year. It's funny that the vehicles that they are given receive much more favorable press than any other vehicle. "We've put 20,000 miles on our XTerra test vehicle and it still runs great!" The good news is that most of the knowledgable people (like the people on this board) are smart enough to tell when they are being given a line of BS.

Thanks,
Mike

By SamS on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 08:55 pm: Edit

Sorry to continue with this topic, but I had to talk about this....

I also noticed, in reference to the 4 Wheel drive magazine article, that they reviewed "optioned" vehicles from GM, Toyota, and Jeep. But the Disco was bone stock. Shoudn't that be a consideration? yea with street biased tires and stock street susp., the disco probably doesn't feel as rugged as the others!! But for a street targeted version to hang completely with their "off-road'testing scenario should be geving extreme KUDOS!!

By s holden on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 01:19 am: Edit

My dealer in San Jose were great. They just sat me down, took the car, asked me if I wanted anything else doing. I said no, end of story.

By lance on Friday, May 04, 2001 - 02:45 pm: Edit

I just recieved my registration and they say i need to mail in a proof of correction.It may be the same recall its a 97 disco

By Italian on Monday, May 07, 2001 - 10:14 pm: Edit

Great thread!
Bill Gill, I just laughed so hard my kids asked me if I was alright!
--made my day!