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By TC on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 06:55 am: Edit

I am planning to move the spare tire to my roof rack and in its place; I like to put 2 or 4 gas cans. I am looking for a drawing so I can have someone to fabricate the gas can holder. Any idea or suggestion is greatly appreciated.

By Ed on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 06:42 am: Edit

I think there are gas can clamp you can get that will bolt to the existing hole left from your spare tire holder. Check the 4 wheel parts store.

By justin on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 05:27 am: Edit

I had thought about buying a seperate spare tire mount for the back of my 96 and then when off roading just bolt the tire onto the roof rack and put the gas tank on the back and then just putting the spare tire back when I was done, I still need to fix the truck before I can play though!!!
Justin

By Jerry Crawford, 98 D-I on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 06:16 am: Edit

IMHO Department: I think putting jerry cans full of fuel on the back door is Dumb. I know there are thousands of sexy pictures of (mostly Series) LR's treking across the veldt replete with cans on the front and rear bumper (as well as tires on the hood) - but in the Seringetti they don't have the traffic congestion we have nor the accident rate. Not long ago there was a string here over some guy who has a storage box built into the back cargo space of his Disco where he carries half a dozen five gallon cans. As I recall, not many thought that was a good idea either - especially the EMR people and the fire department.

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 06:33 am: Edit

you see, some people aren't putting the cans on to "be cool"... they are actually driving places where you need spare fuel? where do you recommend putting the spare cans?

and lets say i dont have a roofrack...
rd

By herky on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 04:52 pm: Edit

I am pretty sure he means when he utilizes his rig off-road, I dont think he wants to be zipping around town with them fully loaded on back trying to merge with traffic..........do you?

By Justin on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 04:59 pm: Edit

Thanks Herky,
after reading my last post I apologize for any confusion, theres no way in hell that I would want anything that could explode strapped onto my disco when I'm doin' my speed racer thing through downtown traffic, I do ,however, also live in south eastern montana, and the idea of having an emergency supply of fuel is very exciting...hell if you haven't been to southeastern montana you haven't seen bleak..

FYI
Justin

By Ron on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 05:11 pm: Edit

Well I have to comment that on the average disco with enough modifications to justify putting the spare on the roof that it would take a collision with a semi to hit the gas con on the spare mount. figuring that it would probably be lifted with bigger tires and all.

Ron

Series owners put gas cans on the bumpers to scare away tailgaters and people thinking about cutting them off.

By nadim on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 05:31 pm: Edit

I posted yesterday, but it does not seem to be here...well, here it is again...

safety wise, if you do have gas cans on the rear door, and you are in the middle of a city, you do not need to have them filled with gas, an empty gas can will not explode...fill them up at the last petrol station before you leave tarmac...when you fill up your main tank...

as for the design, well, i have been designing one for quite some time...the final scheme will be:
2 NATO gas tanks, 1 spare wheel max 35", hi lift mount, and shovel mount...
the design will take into consideration the weight aspect of the door ad the hinges, by placing the objects as close as possible to the door in order to minimise the torsional force (not sure if that is the name in english...) far away from the door that will weaken the hinges...

when i finalize the design, i'll post everything on the discoweb for you guys to comment and critique positively for me to fix things up before i manufacture it...

nadim

By TC on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 05:56 pm: Edit

Nadim, Looking forward to that posting. And also, thank you all for the inputs.

By Mil on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 10:35 pm: Edit

I think you will find that an empty can, or one that is not full, eg half full, half empty will be more likely to explode if ruptured than a full can. Why? Vapours produced when even slightyly heated. You have probably heard the whoosh when opening a cold jerry, well leave a sealed half full jerry in the dark cold area after filling it half up on a warm day. Next morning the sides are bent in a little. Place it in the sun a while and it will pop out.

Just FYI

By Nadim on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Mil...

I know that vapours are dangerous as well, but i mean come on, for there to be any substantial damage for the 2 jerry cans...you should start worrying about the main tank than the jerries...

You cannot tell me that you are gonna have more harsh conditions than all these years of carrying jerry cans on roofracks of expedition vehicles in the middle of the Sahara desert...There was no problem there, so i think that you won't encounter any problems as well...

If an Accord rams you in the back (God forbid), then all it'll get is your main tank, and maybe the rear Diff if the guy lowered it! (I know, been there, done that!)...but if a huge truck were to ram you in the back (God really forbid!), then i can bet the 2 jerry cans will merely be a nice show of fireworks to the massive explosions caused by all the other "dangers" onboard...

The preliminary design is done, I am just finishing up, I should have in on the Board before the weekend!

By Mil on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 07:06 pm: Edit

Nope you are wrong. Take a look at what happened with rear end collisions on Fords a few years ago. It was found that gas tanks were more likely to explode if the tanks weren't full rather than full.

As for Jerry's on roof racks, they look nice, but they shouldn't be up there for the reasons of heat expansion and weight anyway.

It is simple fluid dynamics, but I too have been quite happy to trundle around with jerry cans on the back of tanks and LR for many years. BUT. They were always kept full in the case of petrol or absolutely empty. Deisel doesn't have the same characteristics.

Not saying don't stick em on the back, just make sure they are full.

Have a nice day.

By nadim on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 08:00 pm: Edit

Well, if i am going offroad, then they sure will be full, and when i need them, then they will be empty....therefore, i'll hopefully be safe!

nadim

By disco2guy on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 08:17 pm: Edit

Nadim,

I fab'd such a setup for my rig, but a little less. 1 can mounted flat (?) where the spare was (1.5" above the bumper for minimal rearview impact) and the 60" Hi-Lift between it and the door, straight up. I'm very interested in what you came up with. Looking forward to the pics...

disco2guy

By nadim on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 08:27 pm: Edit

gimme an hour and the diagram will be up!

By Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 09:17 pm: Edit

Man , just put that shit on the rack and forget about it. Put it in a nice solid mount and get a siphon hose that will reach teh gass dor from either can. Mount the cans spread apart on either side of the truck for better performance off camber..

Kyle

By nadim on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 10:05 pm: Edit

Kyle...

i'm trying to avoid having a roofrack as I hope to keep the center of gravity as low as possible. Don't get me wrong, I love the rack, its uses, and the look, the lights and all, but I cannot having such a high center of gravity with 4" lift and future (hopeful) 33s...

By TMS on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 10:39 pm: Edit

I had a customer who took his Disco from Baltimore to Alaska. He wanted a spare can but not on the roof rack. So, we took some 3 equal lengths of square tube, welded the wheel nuts from the spare steel wheel to one end and the plastic tire cover nuts to the other. We than fabbed a piece of steel to mount the typical jerry can bracket and bolted the jerry can mount to it. This allows the spare tire to stay secure because the nuts on the end of the tube held the wheel in place while the other end allowed the jerry can mount to bolt-on. For security, we welded a piece of chain to the mounting bracket and drilled a hole in the handle of the jerry can for a padlock. He only uses it when he travels to Alaska and the NW Territories.