By Rico on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 09:20 pm: Edit

I have a SIIa 109 1963. The body is in great condition,the frame looks good except for the transmission crossmember and the rear bumper. It has the safari top. I have most of the engine parts. It is a project vehicle with alot of potential. I'm just trying to get some idea of what to ask for it. I bought two 88's and the 109 as a package deal.
Anyone have an idea of the value.


Thanks
Rico

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 10:36 pm: Edit

Okay, first let me qualify... it's hard to do this w/o seeing it. And, even if I had it in front of me, Series Rover values are ALL over the board.... they're really not 'worth' a lot, because nice ones can be had cheap elsewhere and brought in, but sometimes someone will get a lot for one just because someone thinks that it's worth it. Don't get me wrong, I love Series Rovers, but a lot of people are out there paying too much for 'em.

Now, with that said...

The 88" is usually sells for more because it's more popular here in the US, though the 109 'should' be worth more.

With any Series Rover, the largest chunk of value is the frame... if you can crawl under it with a hammer and beat away and not have any holes, then it's good. Since you need a new rear crossmember, and a tranny crossmember, I'd expect that the bulkhead outriggers are due for replacement too, and maybe the front horns. If so, it's time for a chassis replacement, which is $1700 - $2500 for a 109", depending on where you shop. Yes, you 'can' patch a frame, but if it needs THAT much, you're better off replacing.

Next big controlling factor is the bulkhead. If it is relatively rust-free, that's good. If not, that's a BIG negative.... a replacement chassis is available, it's a bit harder to find a replacement bulkhead for a SIIa.

Body panels: it's good that they're all in good shape, but... they're all available, and not too expensive... doors, wings, window frames... I even picked up a straight corrosion-free rear tub for a 6-pack.

Driveline: Since you say that you have the engine parts, I'm taking it that it isn't running right now... That makes it hard to ascertain the condition of the rest of the driveline, the tranny and transfer-case, or some axle problems.

I could keep going on and going on, but let me wrap it up.... I can find a 109" that's a respectable runner for ~ $5000, and a rather clean pretty one for ~$8000 or so. (Actually, I could find one for a bit less once I hunt-n-peck for one, but then add shipping and incidentals, and that might not be too much of an overestimate).

A running project vehicle should go for ~$2000 to ~$3000, if it has an okay frame and bulkhead.

So.... a 109", needing a frame, not running.... Well, I wouldn't pay much at all for it. BUT! You might find someone walking by who thinks that they've found something rare and valuable and is willing to pay that $5000 or so for it.... it's just a matter of finding someone with money burning a hole in his pocket.

Take all of this with a grain of salt. You can always ask for the moon and then settle on a lantern, if you catch my drift.....

Good luck!!

-L

By Ron on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 09:03 am: Edit

Rico,

How does it "look"

Are the T supports for the doors shot? How about the bulkhead?

A non-runner you would be pressed to get more than 2k for even if it was in god shape unless you could convince someone what was wrong with it was easy to fix.

How good is the body? are the steel supports underneeth toast? A near perfect corrosion free 109 body would be worth quite a bit to me.

So I would have to see it but I would guess in the 1-3k range tops.

Ron

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 10:37 am: Edit

Ron's right, but a counterpoint to a comment of his...

"If it's so easy to fix, why haven't you done it so that you can get more out of it?"

I've scuttled a sale or two over such.... ones where people were wanting a lot for something that was more trouble than it appeared. Honest folk, it's not an issue, but when you run across one of the shifty types trying to get rid of garbage, well.... sometimes I let 'em have it with both barrels, smiling all the while....


IMHO, YMMV.....

-L

By Ron on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 11:27 am: Edit

Ya definately,

L is right but a lot of times I KNOW how to fix/what is wrong, and the owner does not.

definately has to be factored into the price. A non runner eliminates 75% of potential buyers at least.

Cheers
Ron

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 11:37 am: Edit

VERY good point.... Ron and I (and David and Jim and Art and...) are the ones who can end up buying something because the seller says that "it's broken, have it cheap"... and we get it home, twiddle with it, and have something functional in a short while...

You can get a lot of bargains out there....


But! Back to the point at hand, how much to ask for THIS 109"....

If it is COMPLETE, up to $3000, but that'd be way on the upper end... $1500 wouldn't be a bad take on it, IMHO.... No, it'd be more than "I" would be willing to pay, but someone might....

If you deliver it, I'd give you $300 (Don't take me up on it!! My wife'd kill me!!!)

-L

By Ron on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 11:47 am: Edit

Like I said Rico it all depends on what it looks like. If that body is strait and it looks unmolested and maybe has nice original paint then 3k is not out of the question at all. A lot of people are looking for a 109 station wagon to restore and there are just not a lot out there that are worth doing so nice "projects" get something of a premium.

Minimum would be 1500. You can get that for something as long as it is complete.

Show us some pics and we can get it down.

Ron

By Rico on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 11:56 am: Edit

I'll go and look at the steel supports and the bulkhead. I'll look it over better so that I can paint a better picture. I do have some pictures but I have to figure out how to post them.

The really wanted to fix it up but my 88 is taking alot more than I had planned and I need to sell it for parts. If the person that I bought them from hadn't started the 88 already then I would have started with the 109.
My original plan was to keep all of them but I probably wont be able to start on the 109 for a couple of years and the wife doesn't want it sitting in the yard.

I'll try to post some pictures.

Thanks
Rico

By Ron on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 11:58 am: Edit

also show us pics of the door bottoms.

They are among the first things to go. If they are hole free you have a gem.

Ron

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 12:34 pm: Edit

Oh, BTW....

Is it a 109" 5-door station wagon, or is it a 109" 3-door? I had assumed because of the safari top that it was a 5-door, but someone 'could' have put a sunsheet on top of a hardtop for a 3-door. 3-doors are more versatile, but the 5-doors are usually worth more.


-L

By Kyle on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 05:53 pm: Edit

Where are you located Rico ?


Kyle

By Rico on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 07:07 pm: Edit

I'm still trying to figure out the pictures.

It is a five door.

I'm located in Tampa Florida.

I didn't get to do anymore inspecting of it today.I was running fummily around and to the airport.

Thanks
Rico

By Ron on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 09:35 am: Edit

Rico,

Find Rick Rover in Sarasota and see what he says. Is is an Fla truck originally?

Ron

By Rico on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:43 am: Edit

Ron,

I think you are talking about Rick Sanders.
I was going to give him a call. He is really familiar with the truck. I'll try to call him today.

Rico

By Ron on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:50 am: Edit

Yup. He probably won't be a best price buyer but he would probably tell you what it is worth.

Ron

By Kyle on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:56 am: Edit

Hmmm , hard to belive it hasnt been eaten , living there in FLA..

Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:59 am: Edit

Eaten?

I don't get it?

All the Fla trucks I have seen are A1.

The aluminium is usually good as is the frame unless someone decided to drive itthrough the glades everyday.

Interiors are all shot but who cares.

Ron

By Kyle on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 12:17 pm: Edit

Most trucks in general that I have seen that came from coastal towns were eaten alive. My little Bronco II had its ass end eaten from taking the boat to the water with it..

Kyle

By Ron on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 12:21 pm: Edit

Depends Kyle,

If you live on the atlantic coast maybe (I dunno never looked). But the cars in Sarasota (gulf coast) were all remarkable rust free.

Now if you boat ramp them then you would have issues.

Ron

By Kyle on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 12:35 pm: Edit

I may be intersted in the littel series...


Kyle

By Rico on Monday, October 22, 2001 - 12:41 pm: Edit

I talked to Rick Sanders. He saidthat it depends on the buyer. He kind of left the price range open.He said between 5 and 15 hundred. He said also depends on how patient I am.
As soon as I get the photo thing figured out i will post some pictures to get your opinions.

Thanks
Rico

By Rico on Monday, October 22, 2001 - 03:41 pm: Edit

Correction to the last post. That price was supposed to read $5000 with the lowest being $1,500.

Thanks
Rico

By Javier Velador (Jvelador) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 12:54 pm: Edit

Rico,

Do you still have this truck? If so, can you email me, please. I would be interested in talking to you about it.

jvelador at yahoo dot com

Javier