By Petros (Runnerma) on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 10:46 pm: Edit

I mean what winch, on what mount or bumper, and any other special setup (dual batteries etc,etc)

Runnerma

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 12:31 am: Edit

I have a Warn M12K mounted on an ARB non airbag bumper.

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 09:37 am: Edit

Anybody, have some pics and how to's for getting daul batteries into a Disco?

By Kyle on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 09:40 am: Edit

You have to move the coil bracket and take the horn off the airbox Eric , the second battery fits right there...


Kyle

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 09:44 am: Edit

You would have to relocate the power steering fluid bottle to wouldn't you? Anybody just running their winches off of the one battery? Wouldn't that also take away from some of the air flow to the engine.. Or could you run some flexy tubing towards an open space to improve that. Guess a snorkle would help out that issues though huh.

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 11:37 am: Edit

I have run my winch off a single Optima yellow top for a year and a half now, no problems so far,

By RVR OVR (Tom) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 11:55 am: Edit

Kyle,

Are you running the Ramsey 8000? I foget. I was actually thinking of using that over my Warn HS9500i.

Tom

By Kyle on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 01:37 pm: Edit

I have the Ramsey 12K Tom and have been running it off of one battery for a few years... No problems yet...


Kyle

By Diesel on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 02:38 pm: Edit

I have the Superwinch S9 mounted on the RTE SlimLine Bumper. To make the winch fit, I had to trim the plastic grill. (I love Dremels.) I have only used the winch twice so far. It is running off of one Optima Red Top. I haven't had any problems so far, but then again, it is a little premature to say I will never have any problems. I will put is a second battery someday, just not sure when.

By Petros (Runnerma) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 03:07 pm: Edit

optimas are a must with a winch.

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 04:10 pm: Edit

i have the same as axel, warn12k in an arb non airbag bumper.

i've been using the stock battery that came with the truck, it is probably going to need replacing this winter. but by all means you can get away with it for a while.

when i get my new battery i'll get a second one also and run them together.

i also figure that i'll throw on a snorcle too to eleviate and problems of air getting to the engine.

-- funny thing is i popped the hood a few days ago and found that the tab that connects the PS resivour broke off and my resivour is just laying in that battery tray, conveniently mice have chewed up my insulation on the hood and have built a nest down there so the resivour doesn't rattle around.

it's just my disco telling me it's time for a 2nd battery and snorcle

rd

By Jeeper Brian (Jb1) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:41 pm: Edit

Warn M12k, non airbag ARB, one yellow top...

Brian

By 200 Tdi on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 07:32 pm: Edit

I have a superwinch X9 mounted on a winch bar similar to an ARB. The bar needed slight mods to make the winch fit as its designed for warn.
I have dual cranking batteries connected together to give maximum amps to the winch and it also assists starting the truck.
In a diesel I only had to relocate the bottle jack to fit the second battery, easy.
I've only used it a couple of times and it works well for my needs.

John - Oz

By Greg Davis on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 01:59 am: Edit

Warn 8274 with custom mount. I did this to keep the winch high and not affect my approach angle. Still running factory battery, but will probably replace w/ Optima when it dies.

By Bill Bettridge (Billb) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:43 am: Edit

Warn M12K - ARB non-air bag bar - one Optima Yellow (so far so good - only had it all togther for about 8 months)

By Slider on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 01:26 pm: Edit

X9 on ARB AIRBAG Bumper...not proud, but it has saved me lot's of Jack-all / come-along arm cramps

By Petros (Runnerma) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 02:38 pm: Edit

Ok lets see till now:

1 Ramsey 12K
2 SuperWinch
5 Warn (4 M12K, 1 8274)

Till now the most popular winch on Disco's are the Warn M12K on an ARB Bumper with optima Yellow top!

What else?

Petros

By Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 02:50 pm: Edit

Milemarker hydraulic winch
draws 2 amps, no need for second battery
no problems other than its really slow.

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 04:37 pm: Edit

Has anyone used the Mile Maker winches that run off the power steering pump?

By Petros (Runnerma) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 04:41 pm: Edit

Mike
on which Bumper have you fitted the Mile Marker?

Petros

By Chris Browne on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 05:54 pm: Edit

Ramsey Platinum 9500 off Red Top. for a year no problems.
Bumper terrainmaster now being sold via ABP

By Moe on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 06:00 pm: Edit

Ramesey RE 12k with the Yellow top on a modified ARB bumper.

By Petros (Runnerma) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 06:01 pm: Edit

ok Mike I see it in your Gal. You've fitted it on a SG.

Thanks anyway

Petros

By Clarance Romero (Clarance) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:00 pm: Edit

anybody know who sells Terrain Masters bumpers over here? For a D2. thanx

By Chris Browne on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:07 pm: Edit

Took a look at their web site nothing listed but you might want to email Mike Freeman
www.terrainmaster.com

By Clarance Romero (Clarance) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:26 pm: Edit

thanks

By tmsltd on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 02:20 pm: Edit

Warn 9000i on a Rovertym Slimline with an Interstate Megatron plus battery, 6 lights and a stock alternator.

By Brian on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 03:14 pm: Edit

Anyone fit a Warn M12k or M10k to a SG bumper?

Brian

By Ron on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 03:17 pm: Edit

Cannont be done easily.

SG has either poodle (alyssa's gallery)

or little flamer

By Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 04:45 pm: Edit

D Cantrell:

My Milemarker is run off the power steering pump. The only electricity it draws is for the valve (2 amps).

Mike

By Kyle on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 04:51 pm: Edit

LOL , if I hear that 2 amp crap one mroe time I am gonna fall over. It runs off of a piss poor power steering pump and many lines and much fluid. Yes , and that little solonoid...I wish Mile marler hadnt used that 2 amp thing in their advertising..... How many amps would it use if you truck was turned on its side and you had to winch it upright?

Kyle

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 05:15 pm: Edit

excuse me ron, not "flamer"... SMOKER please.

By Ron on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 05:21 pm: Edit

LOL

Yes the little flamer would not like



Ron

By Simon E. Arenas (Simon) on Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 06:51 pm: Edit

RE12K
Optima Yellow top
Redneck tech bumper

By michel on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 10:54 am: Edit

ummm,

The oil pisser will run off of any pump you want, if you choose the power steering pump fine, but you can use a real pump and take that out of the equation. As for the shitty valve mile marker supplies, we'll again you can upgrade that sucker to a real killer valve and end up with more pulling power and speed than god. And it still uses 2 amps LOL.

If the truck was on it's side and I had to winch it upright I suspect it would use 0 amps, but I haven't testing (thank god). The highlift will back me up for that one.

Michel

By Petros (Runnerma) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:08 am: Edit

Michel

Can u use a simple 12V electric pump to run the winch?

Petros

By michel on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:11 am: Edit

You can use anything that will put out enough pressure to drive the winch. So if your 12v pump is able to give you about 7-800 PSI that's enought to get some action. You can use quick disconect on the winch to make it easy to fit also if you want a backup...

Michel

By Petros (Runnerma) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:34 am: Edit

michel

Im thinking of finding a 12v pump with 1000PSI and conect this as main power of the winch. So I will have the power of an hydravlic winch with the benefits of an electric also.
Is this possible?

petros

By michel on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:48 am: Edit

Sure it is. But it might be a real pain in the ass to work with. Don't forget that the true benifit of the hydraulic is the all day winching capacity and your setup might negate this. I can see the electric pump as a backup, but not really as the main source of power. When you think about it, you say the "benifits of an electric", there is only one benifit that I can think of and that is the theoritical abitity to use the thing with a dead engine on batery power alone. This situation is rare, but posible so a backup is nice, but how extensive this backup needs to be? A highlift with the existing winch rope will work just as well in my opinion.

Michel

By Petros (Runnerma) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:53 am: Edit

michel

thanks for the info
what is your setup?

do you have any pic of your truck?

Petros

By michel on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 11:59 am: Edit

Petros, if you do a search on discoweb for PTO you'll find lots of info on my setup, and my galery under michel findlay, and some of the trail sections, ontario canada, james bay, and some other places i guess.

michel

By Petros (Runnerma) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 12:10 pm: Edit

michel

I saw in ontario-canada a pic of your winch out of fluid. What happened?

Petros

By michel on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 01:22 pm: Edit

hehe,

Yeah, the winch got pulled right off the mount. Basicaly the winch outpulled the bolts holding it down and riped it off. Getting that fixed soon with solid mounting using all 8 bolts so the thing dosent go anywere.

PS: that is were oil pisser came from :-)

Michel

By Petros (Runnerma) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 01:26 pm: Edit

michel

thanks again.

I think i will go with Mile Marker setup

petros

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 01:31 pm: Edit

One question Michel, what do you do if your truck stops running and you need to winch like if you have a failed deep water crossing?

By Kyle on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 08:27 am: Edit

Could someone tell me again how many amps the mile marker draws? damn.... How about all the other components and points of failure?


Kyle

By Michel on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 08:34 am: Edit

The mile marker draws 2 amps of electricity...

Points of failure, ummm I cant count bad mounting as a point of failure so I guess none.

Eric,

So far that situation has not happened, if you look in my galery it's not like I avoid water either and it was one of the reason's I went with the oil pisser, to get myself out of the shit I get into. My last resort is using the highlift with the winch cable to manualy get the hell out of it the old fashion way, manualy. But at least after I get out, I can dry things off and continue with the electrics intact...

Michel

By Kyle on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 08:43 am: Edit

Michel , you have worked around equipment before. You know how many points tere are there. That fluid is not differnt then electricity. its harnesed energay. It will find a way out just like the smoke in the wores...

kyle

By michel on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 03:13 pm: Edit

lol,

True, but the hydraulic lines are very tough, all steel braided and based on forklift lines they last an awful long time and certainly don't get affected by humidity :-)


Michel

By Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 05:30 pm: Edit

Kyle:

Have you seen any hydraulic lines burst? On the list of things to be concerned about, I think that it would be low on the list. As a backup, I keep my short line to bypass the winch if the lines fail.

I'll concede that the stock ps pump isn't great, but with Michel's PTO setup, the only negative I see is the whole dead engine argument. I like knowing that a hydraulic problem can be visually spotted with the hydraulic: leaking fluid = problem. Spotting an electrical problem isn't so simple.

By cartner on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 10:23 pm: Edit

how much for the MM? hard to install? wieght? fit in an ARB or Supwerwinch mounting?

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 03:04 am: Edit

Mike , hell yes I have seen lines break and you can believe Michel has seen em break in his past as well. To be fair to the Mile Marker I only ever saw one in action . Of course that one blew up but I dont condemn the winch on that one failure. The thing is , that one failure tells you something loud and clear. The winch its self is not prepared to handle what you can give it with that big pump and valve. It will decay much much faster. If I had to make a guess as to what will blow up next I would have to say the planet assembly in it will go. Planetary winches aint much folks , no matter how you slice it and how its driven. Some of the industrial planetaries would put you in a much better position...

Kyle

By Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 03:48 am: Edit

Kyle: Would you tell me what happened in the failure? I thought that the winch pulled out of the mount and therefore ripped a line out which lead to the "oil pissing". Or was the line failure a seperate event?

Cartner: The winch is about $800 for the winch and fittings. Installation is fairly straightforward: Mount the winch, disconnect the hydraulic line going from the ps pump to steering box, connect the lines from the winch to the ps pump and steering box, hook up the wiring for the valve, refill the ps reservoir. Obviously this is using the stock ps pump. To install a higher rated pump or PTO system is a little more involved.

As far as mounting to an ARB or other mount, I'm not sure. Go to http://www.milemarker.com, they have a diagram that shows the size of the winch.

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 04:21 am: Edit

In Michels case the winch housing itself failed. The mounting system on it is much like the rest of the little smokers out there . When mounting feet down you are just begging for it.. As far as hose failures go.. I have seen many bust on equipment over the years.. Them and fittings both. Something gets in there and hits the fitting and weakens it and next thing you know,,,,you have a nice little piss stream coming out of it..

Kyle

By michel on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 04:37 am: Edit

Very true about the housing. I do wish the housing was better built, but until recently I wasent aware of beter built units. Still, if you don't rip it off it's mount it does the job. Hydraulic lines can possibly fail, but using the 3000 PSI rated lines with matching fittings and only putting 1500 PSI in the system will make this a pretty rare thing. No matter the setup it's all in the implementation in the end.

Michel

By Clint on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 05:37 am: Edit

Kyle,
feet down or what? feet forward? Please elaborate. Do bumpers such as ARB allow either?

Also, the RE12 looks pretty stout.
I assume you like it because of the ~7400 lbs 4th layer capacity and heavy duty gearbox?
It's twice as slow a the platinum, but you aren't going anywhere stuck, right?

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:18 pm: Edit

Yeah , I like the RE because its a strong winch. I dont just mean a strong puller but strong all around. You can also mount an RE Hydraulic unit or PTO , its all the same winch with different motors bolted to it..
Most bumpers mount the winch feet down. Its better to have it mounted feet forward. When its feet down the bolts and aluminum housing are taking the brunt of the pull. When its feet forward the mount is taking the brunt...

Kyle

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:22 pm: Edit

Is yours mounted feet forward or feet down?

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:24 pm: Edit

Mine Eric?


Kyle

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:39 pm: Edit

yes, sorry should have been more specific.. I'm trying to remember but, I can't.

By Clint on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:40 pm: Edit

I was just walking outside and saw a tow truck.
Slung out back he had a pair of RAMSEY hydraulic winches. They were big, i'm estimating them to be 15k units. They also had spring loaded hold down bars on them that keep the cable smooth. This looks like a good idea to prevent rat's nests. Anyone have any experience with these?

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:49 pm: Edit

Clint , those are the same thing I have on mine.. You put a hydraulic motor on it and its a 15K..

The RE doesnt have a feet down mount. That should tell you something.... Think about the mounts on the little smokers and their advertised pulling power. You will see pretty quick that something is fishy. With the stuporwinch they advertise the stall at 11.9K. That means each back bolt and what it is mounted to is capable of holding back damn near 6 thousand pounds!!! I for one aint buying it. I think findlays failed cause he put the strain that its rated at on it. The mounting system and case obviously couldnt hold it...I think if you hooked a big winch back to the drum on most of these little smokers and a guage in the line. You would see that they fail in some way at or before their advertised capacity..In the feet down mounting configuration ofcourse..

Kyle

By Clint on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:53 pm: Edit

Yeah,
that's what winchtest.com claims. Every other winch besides the milemarker sucked they said. But they didn't test any 12k units....

So, how do you have yours mounted, is it on a modified ARB bumper???

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 12:57 pm: Edit

Sorry, Kyle.. I miss read your post to mean that the RE had a choice of feet down or feet forward mounting. My fault. As you can see I have some things to learn about winches.

By Ali on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 01:03 pm: Edit

I just noticed in my Leon Rosser catalog that MM is now offering a 8000lb electric winch!

By michel on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 01:03 pm: Edit

Even the milemarker is said to be TESTED with only the 4 bolts feet down mounted at 18K lbs. I certainly proved that it aint so in real life. At true to form it's the back bolt that riped out of the body. So another case of the winch outpulling itself. The 3/8th cable is strong enough, now have to make the mounting to match.

Michel

By Gregg Warnken (Gregg) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 03:23 pm: Edit

Ok so what bumpers other than custom allow you to mount the Ramsey feet forward?

TIA

Gregg

By Clint on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 04:24 pm: Edit

Yeah, and how much will one of these RE12s set me back?

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 04:34 pm: Edit

$1099 if you buy it online from Ramsey

By Moe on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 04:45 pm: Edit

Greg, no off the shelf bumper (yet) for the RE if you want it on the Disco, although some time back there was a rumour . . . . For now, you'll have custom an existing bumper or build one from scratch. I used the ARB and it took two tries to get it right. There is an article in the tech section that documented my first go but now it is considerably different. Keep in mind, that the RE has 8 bolts, 4 front and 4 rear, so the winch is essentially sandwiched in place, making for a secure base.

REs will set you back ~$850 plus but pierce winches has something similar to the RE for a good price. Like the RE, there will be mounting and finding enough space issues.
http://www.piercesales.com/iWebCart/showproductdetail.asp?pid=506

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 05:15 pm: Edit

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/protorb/





Kyle

By Moe on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 05:23 pm: Edit

Beautiful.


So with some cutting of the front plastic, it looks like an RE will fit

By Clint on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 05:31 pm: Edit

Moe,
Hold the phone... That thing is... custom..

Kyle,
I take it that is Ho's rig?
Would you care to describe what that bumper is made out of?
It looks like a stock disco brushgard on top of an RTE slimline with MAJOR hacking to the center and extra wings welded on the outside edges.


I also found this on the ramsey store
snip...
112163R RE 12000 12 VOLT WORM GEAR ELECTRIC WINCH WITH HAWSE FAIRLEAD REMANUFACTURED FRONT MOUNT WINCHES $539.50 In Stock
snip...

looks like a good deal except for the hawse faillead. THey want 200 some odd dollars for the roller part. Do you need the rollers?

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 05:32 pm: Edit

Look in my gallery clint....

Kyle

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 05:41 pm: Edit

And Ho's truck is yellow.....

Now , the bumper there would be available if Rob would get off his ass. I suggest everyone send mails to Rob and just make the body of the message.. "Rob , get off your ass!!"
That may motivate him..


Kyle

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 06:06 pm: Edit

ok, i see.. you release the pictures so now there is interest. now i cant put it off any longer.

rd

By Peter Miller (Njrover) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 06:38 pm: Edit

WOW...When can I buy it????

Rob, that looks great, but the brush guard looks a little to close to the body...

If you need guinea pig to try it out on a Range Rover give me an email

Pete

By Al Hang (Alhang) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 06:52 pm: Edit

Peter, sounds like a little confusion. The bumper's designer/fabricator is Kyle. Rob is the CAD/CAM engineer who is suppose to spec out the parts so Kyle can go into mass production. Together they are the Wonder Twins, able to do great things if given a full year of time. I think Ho would agree on that last part

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 06:59 pm: Edit

it's only been 3 months for me

besides i'm working on the RR now !

+ my other secrets

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 07:14 pm: Edit

dont' get me involved in this please.

By Clint on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:13 pm: Edit

right,
now i have it!
kyle-stock white disco with big hard tires.
ho-yellow disco with all the goodies.
the EE thing threw me...

I know a shop around here that does laser cutting and bending. It amazes me that I can whip something up in cad and have the parts back by the end of the week...

Is a hawse fairlead ok, or is roller a must?

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:20 pm: Edit

Yeah , just whip it up in CAD... You hear that shit Rob ?? This guy is just "Whipping that shit up"!!! The design is a little complex Clint.. I will give Rob that..


Kyle

By Clint on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:25 pm: Edit

obviously making a bumper is very involved, but the process is the same. I've only done simple flat bent parts with holes....

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:28 pm: Edit

Not giving you shit CLint , giving Rob shit,,,or what I like to call "Motivating".....


Kyle

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:38 pm: Edit

LOL
just whip it up... that would be cool if it were disassembled or dare i say drawn up and dimensioned by the creator. i mean, kyle, what were you thinking? not even a damn rough sketch.

and FYI i an damn fast on the CAD. i'll do an online draw-off-pepsi-challege with anyone outhere.

rd

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:42 pm: Edit

Man , I am used to doing custom , on the vehicle type shit. I keep it all in the head man....Unfortunately I cant plug my head into that CNC machine...

Kyle

By Clint on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:50 pm: Edit

That's probably a good thing..
who knows what creations would come out!!!!
LOL

By Kyle on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:56 pm: Edit

You might have a point there........


Kyle

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:10 am: Edit

Kyle,

Without shooting a big round hole in my gut for asking - what is your opinion on the XD9000 for mount on an ARB non-air (already installed)? Naturally, I've read your thoughts on Ramsey. Do they offer something priced comparatively close?

Cheers,

Erik

By Bill Bettridge (Billb) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 08:30 am: Edit

The XD9000 will not fit into the Non-air bag ARB without some fabrication. You have to either create some spacers (about 3/8-1/2" thk) to push the winch back away from the inside face of the bumper and/or grind away some of the web on the inner bumper that interferes with the motor and gear housing.

As far as the winch itself goes - I ain't touchin' that question!!

By Kyle on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 10:04 am: Edit

Well Erik , where are you at and what are you doing with the truck ? If you are out west in the rocks and you dont run any of the crazy stuff AND you run light I would think that the little smoker would serve you well. However , if you can forsee any of the above happening at any point in time or you want to be completely secure in what you have hanging off the nose there I would skip it. The big 12K warn is a decent winch and the only electric planetary I would consider for myself. That 15 K warn seems nice but I have only been around it in opperation once or twice so I cant really comment on it one way or another..
If you are in the East or you have to deal with deep mud where you are I think the planetaries are a waste of time. Do what ya gotta do to get a worm winch on there and forget about it...

Kyle

By Gregg Warnken (Gregg) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:06 pm: Edit

Kyle I have been eyeing your new bumper in your pics for a few weeks...that is the best design I have seen to date! And I like how you used part of the stock brush bar keeping the illusion of "stock" going...ok ok I will wait for one guys...I can be patient...I can be patient...


Gregg

By Gregg Warnken (Gregg) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:07 pm: Edit

Oh and is it bolted on or welded to the frame?

By Kyle on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 12:44 pm: Edit

Bolted...

Kyle

By enquiring minds want to know on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:06 pm: Edit

bolted, kyle? but won't it rotate like the others?

By Brian on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:08 pm: Edit

Here's my 5 minute bumper design:





Brian

By Brian on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:11 pm: Edit

ooops forgot to resize it....

sorry

By Kyle on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:23 pm: Edit

That was an $G,,,,,lol and damn it was big....
No it wont rotate.....


Kyle

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:27 pm: Edit

Will the ARB non-air take the M12000 without too much mod work? I'm running B2B TA02 with this winch and subsequently should be prepared for Jeep recovery at any time. I do have budget concerns and a full RT suspension kit to purchase / install as well before August 02.

Cheers,

Erik

By Brian on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:27 pm: Edit

yeah it's friday, i am bored, and was taking Ron's pepsi challenge. Anything else to "whip-up"


Brian

By kyle on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:29 pm: Edit

Rob was the one that issued the challenge...
Yes Erik , it will drop right into that bumper...


Kyle

By Brian on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:34 pm: Edit

ooops again. it's friday, i am bored, and my minds already left for the day...


Brian

By Kyle on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 01:36 pm: Edit

lol, I think the $G design has been ripped off enough already... I pray to god that mine doesnt resemble anything out there when you see it in person..

Kyle

By Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 05:47 pm: Edit

Kyle:

Will the RE with the hydraulic motor fit on the front of the Disco? I would think that a hydraulic RE would be the way to go. Although you're probably talking over $2000 with the PTO pump, etc.

Mike

By kyle on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 05:52 pm: Edit

Yep , it will fit .... I think you would be surprised at how comparable the price is...


Kyle

By Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp) on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 06:09 pm: Edit

Kyle:

Dimensionally, why doesn't the RE fit in most bumpers? Is it because of the way it mounts feet forward?
Down the road, I wouldn't mind dropping an RE in my Disco, but I dont want to have to get rid of the $G bumper.

By Kyle on Friday, November 30, 2001 - 07:55 pm: Edit

Its the motor and the gear train that make it damn near impossible. You can make anything fit anywhere though if you think it through..

Kyle

By Ron on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 01:26 pm: Edit

Hey Kyle,

At MAR they sold a couple of those stock brush bars meant to bolt on to the winch tray. Forgot who bought them but I think they went for <100 each. might want to ask around to see if they want to get rid of them.

Ron

By Kyle on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 01:37 pm: Edit

The full ones Ron ? Or just the A ?


Kyle

By Ron on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 01:39 pm: Edit

Full

I was going to get them and hold them for you but I had so much crap to take home I couldn't

Ron

By Kyle on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 01:54 pm: Edit

Damn , arent a whole lot of them around.....

Kyle

By Ron on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 02:01 pm: Edit

Ask some of the ROAV people. Someone will know who bought them I just forgot.

Not like they would have much use for them.

Maybe post in the wnated section

Ron

By Kent on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 05:05 pm: Edit

This is the bumper I built in my garage. What do you think? Go easy on me it's my first try and I have $40 bucks invested. I used .25" harded steel plate and .120 wall 1 3/4" tubing. Any suggestions on improvements would be appreciated. I know I need to get the skid plate to cover the drag link.

By Ron on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 05:25 pm: Edit

Looks good!

My only concern would be the brush bar on the side being pushed into the fender.

Ron

By Kent on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 06:03 pm: Edit

Ron,

I haven't been able to move them sliding over rocks or with a high lift picking up the vehicle on the corner. But anything in possible.

Kent

By Al Hang (Alhang) on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 06:05 pm: Edit

I agree with Ron, but I do like it mainly because it is an original design. Have you tested it yet? Also what size meats you running??? got any more pics? I have a feeling the side pic wouldn't be pretty.

By Ron on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 06:09 pm: Edit

I know kent but it will move if you hit it right.

I don't know if it would pass the Bill B tree bump test

That would be the key indicator

But I really like it! And for $40 it passes the cheap bastard test



Ron

By Kent on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 08:15 pm: Edit

I don't know if you guys have played with steel tubing. When you intersect this tubing at several angles it's a whole lot stonger than it looks. To answer Al's question they are 33" x 12.5".

By Al Hang (Alhang) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 09:01 am: Edit

that front fender looks a lot cleaner that i thought i would. how's the stuffage on that thing? rear butchered? you using bigger bumpstops?

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 09:47 am: Edit

Kyle - would the milemarker winch (12K, 25 inches wide) fit in that bumper you got?

By Ron on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 09:49 am: Edit

Dean,

If you are going with Kyle's bumper why not get a hydraulic RE?

The instrustrial hydraulic winches made by Warn, Ramsey and stupidwinch are really tough and not that much more than a milemarker.

Ron

By michel on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 10:38 am: Edit

Kent, Thumbs up for an original design a bit different for the disco.

Michel

By Gregg Warnken (Gregg) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 10:45 am: Edit

Kent your bumper is schweeet! Did you mandrel bend the tubing or just use a jig? Damn I gotta get a welder...

Gregg

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 11:21 am: Edit

Ron,

Yeah I think I will do that.

Anyway, am I getting this right? Rob and kyle are both involved in making this bumper, or just Rob?

Dean

By Ron on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 11:25 am: Edit

Rob is drawing for Kyle I think.

(Crayons in pokemon colors right?)

Kyle is the one with the welding ability I belive

Ron

By Kyle on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 11:32 am: Edit

I designed it and built a few , then Roberto there said he could do the Auto CAD part of it so that the shapes can then be CNC cut. Well , Roberto is slow but I think he got all that he needed last week end as far as Dimms are concerned...

Kyle

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 11:37 am: Edit

Coz I was thinking about dodging the bullets at night

By Kyle on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 11:45 am: Edit

Dean , with the hydraulic RE on there you could surely pull Christ from Heaven , but , only if the Disco is running.......

Kyle

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 12:04 pm: Edit

I'd have my trusty black rat in the back, just in case.

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 12:15 pm: Edit

kyle, i aint slow, i am time challenged..

Mr. 6 degree's

By Kyle on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 12:24 pm: Edit

Quit yer bitchin and get to work....before I lay you off.... lol....


Kyle

By Al Hang (Alhang) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 01:15 pm: Edit

rob, you are slow. I am slow as shit and you put me to shame. Remember your PIAA's? it took you over a year to install them? and don't forget the slider all by itself. there's more shit, i just don't recall.

By Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 01:21 pm: Edit

> Remember your PIAA's? it took you over a year to install them

Is this the spot lights, or just the H4s? Now THAT would be impressive!

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 06:02 pm: Edit

my priorities are different, albert.

the piaa pro 80's nice little light.. been going for 6 years now.

rd